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After a hacking group claimed it had obtained millions of unique identifiers for Apple devices from an FBI laptop, Apple itself has issued a statement saying it did not provide any UDIDs to the FBI.

"The FBI has not requested this information from Apple, nor have we provided it to the FBI or any organization," spokesperson Natalie Kerris said to All Things D. "Additionally, with iOS 6 we introduced a new set of APIs meant to replace the use of UDID and will soon be banning the use of UDID."

The statement came after the hacking group AntiSec posted the unique device identifiers of 1 million iPhones and iPads this week. AntiSec claimed the unique 40-character UDIDs were stolen from an FBI laptop, and that it had a total of nearly 12.4 million UDIDs

But the FBI issued its own statement refuting those claims, stating AntiSec's allegations were false. The bureau also distanced itself from the gathering of private information such as UDIDs, saying there is no evidence tying the agency to the purported UDID leak.

"The FBI is aware of published reports alleging that an FBI laptop was compromised and private data regarding Apple UDIDs was exposed," the statement read. "At this time there is no evidence indicating that an FBI laptop was compromised or that the FBI either sought or obtained this data."
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The statement came after the hacking group AntiSec posted the unique device identifiers of 1 million million iPhones and iPads

That's a lot of iPhones! biggrin.gif

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Queue Congressional letter / outrage / hearing in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....
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Interesting...I didn't see any site - even the most die-hard Android site - suggest that they did...

But good to know they didn't, on the record.
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Unlike the reactionaries who started screaming about lost liberties, evil government and the like? Or the reactionaries who started applauding? It would be interesting to see if these hackers are lying about how exactly how they obtained this info.

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Some app developer named Francois Bernard Ives (initials FBI) got his laptop hacked, containing some old records related to legitimate push notifications for his service. The media piled on, for the journalistic purpose of advertising car insurance and antidepressants. Hilarity ensued.

 

This is my expectation of the real story.

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So the FBI isn't denying the evidence came from it, just that there is no evidence linking the data to it.
 

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@nagromme

 

most likely. I have a database of about 5000 UDIDs. so, if it's a popular app, 12 million makes sense.

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It's an election year and I have to decide whether it is the FBI or the hackers that are lying?  Good grief...

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most likely. I have a database of about 5000 UDIDs. so, if it's a popular app, 12 million makes sense.

 

Wow.  That many?

 

Is it possible they could have just found these things lying around in Internet forums and such?  I don't know how secretive people are about their UDID....

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Interesting...I didn't see any site - even the most die-hard Android site - suggest that they did...
But good to know they didn't, on the record.

 

Except for maybe this idiot: http://fredericjacobs.com/identifying-the-traitor

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Looks like Tim is going to have to quadruple down on secrecy next time.

 

Couldn't resist!  :-)

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Oh, no! If you can't trust internet rumors and allegations from shady organizations, what can you trust?

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Of course the FBI stole this info somehow. They need it for "Homeland Security" purposes. You know, keep their eye on the bad guys, wink, wink. Only the FBI would be so certain of their invulnerability to keep such a file unencrypted and sitting on a Windows laptop ( a cheap-assed Dell, no less). The hackers probably got a few Gb of child porn that was also on their for "research" purposes, naturally.

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Originally Posted by JollyPaul View Post
Oh, no! If you can't trust internet rumors and allegations from shady organizations, what can you trust?

 

Samsung? lol.gif

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Of course the FBI stole this info somehow. 

So you readily accept the hackers word and dismiss the FBI as lying child pornographers even though they have denied any involvement with UDIDs. More likely the hackers stole the information and are attempting to implicate the FBI in some wrongdoing because they are angry that the FBI is hunting down their members and putting them in jail.

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The FBI also denies that it has ever owned any laptops. Any evidence to the contrary has obviously been falsified by "evildoers".

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Except for maybe this idiot: http://fredericjacobs.com/identifying-the-traitor

and who the hell is he?
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Queue Congressional letter / outrage / hearing in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....

But Apple isn't the one being accused, so no need for Congressional hearings. They only do that when Apple is involved.
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So the FBI isn't denying the evidence came from it, just that there is no evidence linking the data to it.

Exactly.

"you can't prove it, so we must be innocent" seems to be the argument. The FBI really ought to know better.
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Unlike the reactionaries who started screaming about lost liberties, evil government and the like? Or the reactionaries who started applauding? It would be interesting to see if these hackers are lying about how exactly how they obtained this info.


Politically backed "scientists" biasing research?  Hackers lying?  Politicians "streeeeetching" the truth?  What is the world coming to?

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Later that day, in an office in Quantico...

 

Skinner: Mulder, Scully, get in here.

(Mulder and Scully enter the office)

Mulder: Yes?

Scully: We're here, sir.

Skinner: I need you to investigate this thing. They're claiming we had a bunch of UDID's and that someone hacked a laptop to obtain a copy of the file.

Both: Yes sir.

(The two agents leave)

Scully: Do you think we really had the UDID's?

Mulder: Of course, Scully. You know the FBI for God's sake, you work here. We can't be trusted.

Scully: Who do you think stole them?

Mulder: A global conspiracy tied to the alien invaders. Who else?

Scully: (sigh) I was afraid of that...

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I honestly trust Hackers more then my own government. Anyone who believes there government's is truthful and honest is a joke.

 

God Bless the "TV" America's good ol propaganda machine. For only $298 + cable subscription you can brainwash all the people you want

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That's a lot of iPhones! biggrin.gif

that's 1/12th of the harvest...  12 Million phones/pads UDIDs were 'reportedly' absconded with. 

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Really am I the only one who thinks that the FBI doesn't have to ask for any information.

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But Apple isn't the one being accused, so no need for Congressional hearings. They only do that when Apple is involved.
Exactly.
"you can't prove it, so we must be innocent" seems to be the argument. The FBI really ought to know better.

I think Congress will call whomever they like to call... and the FBI is trying to say... 'it's not us!!!!  Look someplace else!!!!'  

 

Thus the guilt by association (who would have UDIDs?  why?  If not the FBI/NSA/Carnivore sort of action... then who... oh, Apple made the darn things... and who knows what get's shipped up with 'Find my iPhone'  or an Apple App Store purchase...   that's plausible... it must have been Apple who was breached!!!!!")

 

But yes, the fact that the FBI are just lawyers with badges and guns, makes me think that when they said "this information was not off of one of our laptops" it could have been on a flash drive, or a mainframe account, or a google doc, or hell, a floppy drive in and FBI person's personal car...  But the 'accusation' isn't true, therefore they can deny it.

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The FBI also denies that it has ever owned any laptops. Any evidence to the contrary has obviously been falsified by "evildoers".

they lease ;-) 

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Originally Posted by kyle172 View Post
I honestly trust Hackers more then my own government. Anyone who believes there government's is truthful and honest is a joke.

 

God Bless the "TV" America's good ol propaganda machine. For only $298 + cable subscription you can brainwash all the people you want

 

You're right. It's disgraceful. Something MUST be done.

 

A la carte programming, Apple. Do it! We're paying WAY too much for TV!

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that's 1/12th of the harvest...  12 Million phones/pads UDIDs were 'reportedly' absconded with. 

Sorry I was sarcastically referring to the typo which has since been fixed.

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"The FBI is aware of published reports alleging that an FBI laptop was compromised and private data regarding Apple UDIDs was exposed," the statement read. "At this time there is no evidence indicating that an FBI laptop was compromised or that the FBI either sought or obtained this data."

Meaning, you can't prove we did it, so we aren't admitting anything yet.

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Meaning, you can't prove we did it, so we aren't admitting anything yet.

Exactly. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Wait.  Is the FBI making a non-denial denial?

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Hackers:  "We stole these from an FBI computer"

 

FBI:  "You didn't steal that"

 

Hackers:  "Yes we did"

 

FBI:  "We never had that"

 

Apple:  "We didn't give that"

 

Consumers:  "You are all idiots"

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Originally Posted by icoco3 View Post
Hackers:  "We stole these from an FBI computer"

FBI:  "You didn't steal that"

Hackers:  "Yes we did"

FBI:  "We never had that"

Apple:  "We didn't give that"

Consumers:  "You are all idiots"

 

"Who's on first?"

"UDIDs on hard drives."

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I honestly trust Hackers more then my own government. Anyone who believes there government's is truthful and honest is a joke.

God Bless the "TV" America's good ol propaganda machine. For only $298 + cable subscription you can brainwash all the people you want

This statement is absolutely ridiculous...




You can't buy an 80" television for $298.
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and who the hell is he?

 

He's "any site" as in,

 

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Interesting...I didn't see any site [...] suggest that they did...
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AntiSec, unwilling or unable to generate Fear, settle on supplying UDID's (Uncertainty, Doubt In Devices).
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post #37 of 39

Sooner bet this has more to do with one of the following:

 

1) Attempt at stock manipulation.

 

2) Android/Samsung fan with some hacked UDID info trying to throw cold water on iPhone 5.

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There are a bunch of conspiracy theorists on Reddit that would disagree :-P

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Originally Posted by UltraSPARC View Post
There are a bunch of conspiracy theorists on Reddit that would disagree :-P

 

Because that's certainly a bastion of accuracy.

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