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While post-trial proceedings are well underway in the landmark Apple v. Samsung California case, the two tech giants are scheduled to continue their worldwide patent dispute in Germany, with four trials and two hearings coming up before the end of October.

While Germany's Mannheim Regional Court is slated to undertake four trials relating to Apple and Samsung's suits and countersuits between mid-September and mid-October, the Dusseldorf Regional Court will hold two design rights hearings around the same time, reports FOSS Patents' Florian Mueller.

The Dusseldorf court, which was the first to permanently ban sales of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in 2011, is scheduled to hear a case on Sept. 25, with Apple asserting design rights infringement and unfair competition claims against Samsung's tablet devices. Due to previous judgments regarding Apple's attempts to ban German sales of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, 10.1N and 7.7, some of the claims discussed have already been adjudicated.

Another hearing is slated for Oct. 23 relating to preliminary injunction motions against a number of Samsung smartphones, including the first-generation Galaxy Note, and two media players. Mueller notes the hearing is somewhat unusual given the products at issue are previous generation devices. Apple first brought the motion in November 2011, with the court scheduling subsequent hearings for April and August, however those dates were postponed at the parties' request.

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Samsung Galaxy Note | Source: Samsung


Mueller writes, "At this stage, the way in which the outcome of this lawsuit will really matter is that it clarifies for both parties how much of a resemblance to Apple's gadgets Samsung's future products may bear."

If no settlement is reached, the lawsuit could move on appeal to the Federal Court of Justice or the Dusseldorf Higher Regional Court, either of which may decide to bring the community design issues to the Court of Justice of the European Union.
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Won't Samsung just win these? And I don't imagine the US trial will be usable as precedent… 

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...and this time they'll likely get a competent jury.

Multiple Patent Invalidation Pending.
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...and this time they'll likely get a competent jury.

 

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It's hilarious. But also so sad. You actually believe what you're saying…

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...and this time they'll likely get a competent jury.
Multiple Patent Invalidation Pending.

 

Germany doesn't use juries in cases like these.

 

If only the patent system wasn't so broken, Apple could get bans on current devices rather than on devices that are obsolete by the time the case gets to court.

 

So, Mr Harder, now that Samsung is fighting for "choice" which TouchWiz Galaxy phone will you choose?

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...and this time they'll likely get a competent jury.
Multiple Patent Invalidation Pending.

Oh, so Apple could never win in the US because no jury would ever allow patents on rectangles with rounded corners (the whiny argument), and now that you and other freetards stuffed your faces eating crow, you simply crawl elsewhere and start whining the same thing? Rinse and repeat?

Do us all a favor and cancel your account. Please. Stop infesting this forum.
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It should be used as precedent but most likely won't unfortunately. There's no reason not to use them as precedent. Samsung has been shown to have thieved Apple's IP over and over and over again so the outcome of this trial should be no different than the landmark trial Apple just won.

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It's hilarious. But also so sad. You actually believe what you're saying…

One day he'll write a competent post.

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One day he'll write a competent post.

I highly doubt it

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Won't Samsung just win these? And I don't imagine the US trial will be usable as precedent… 

as an official appleinsider.com global moderator, is that the official position?
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Won't Samsung just win these? And I don't imagine the US trial will be usable as precedent… 

No bc if you read the FOOS article, outside of EU precedent , need not apply but could.
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...and this time they'll likely get a competent jury.
Multiple Patent Invalidation Pending.

It's not a jury, you would know that if you read the linked post instead of rushing to be first, ignorant first.
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Originally Posted by Spacepower View Post
No bc if you read the FOOS article, outside of EU precedent , need not apply but could.

 

And that I just don't get. Truth doesn't stop being truth if you move.

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And that I just don't get. Truth doesn't stop being truth if you move.

But the laws do.

Different countries have different patent laws and different judicial precedent. In addition, because of the way patent laws are written, the claims could be different in different countries. It is quite plausible for a device to break the law in one country but not in another.
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
In addition, because of the way patent laws are written, the claims could be different in different countries. It is quite plausible for a device to break the law in one country but not in another.

 

Is it naïve, then, to desire patent reform (and hold on to your butts, because I'm actually going to expound on that word) in the form of international patents? One wording, valid in all countries under the agreement. That would also do a great deal for simplification of standards patents such that FRAND could be the same across the entire bloc, too.

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Germany doesn't use juries in cases like these.

If only the patent system wasn't so broken, Apple could get bans on current devices rather than on devices that are obsolete by the time the case gets to court.

So, Mr Harder, now that Samsung is fighting for "choice" which TouchWiz Galaxy phone will you choose?

What he said above, ...

What is innovation ?

Let's put a iPhone, Nokia Lumia, and Samsung Android side by side..l

Which is new and innovative?

The Nokia Lumia is a new idea, the iPhone is new and innovative but based on Apples older Newton ( but keeping the great design philosophy ). Where is Samsungs version of android?

Why do Fandoids come to this website, why do they ignore all rational thinking for their love of Google. Why do they not realize the the effects of long term IP abuse and stealing.

Why do they not realized that their future job will be "Sir, would you like more water?"

BC all these self-proclaimed nerds and programmers jobs will be outsourced if the US doesn't defend it's IP

Long story short, with no IP rights, America fandroid youth have no future, their potential jobs are outsourced to Korean engineers who are demanded to copy Apple.

Where is the innovation?
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And that I just don't get. Truth doesn't stop being truth if you move.

We know Samsung copied, Samsung knows that they copied, but different countries evaluate copying on different basises.

If you want to punish Samsung, start a boycott of Samsung products and discourage friends and family from buying their products.

Samsung copied Sony for so long that we'll be lucky to ever get a a PS 5, PS 4 is a given but a PS 5 may never come to be bc Samsung may drive Sony into Bankruptcy, by stealing a lot the innovations and market share.


Hail to our new master, Samsung, who has no originality or creativity, without Sony or Apple to copy from, Maybe we should just all buy Moto Droids?

That's making theLumina look good now..
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Won't Samsung just win these? And I don't imagine the US trial will be usable as precedent… 

Different countries have different laws. I don't see how one verdict is relevant to another when going by this. I see the problem that too many people on here want to make a complex matrix of claims and counterclaims into something equivalent to a sound bite. Having enough knowledge to discuss the full merits in depth isn't something you get from appleinsider articles. It would take you potentially weeks of reading given the complexity. Note how many times people disputed what should be valid as prior art or why something was disallowed as evidence. None of them really know anything.

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😂

It's hilarious. But also so sad. You actually believe what you're saying…

Bleh... I don't have an issue with the outcome, but they did not seem to follow the appropriate instructions in reaching them.  I'd question their ability to sift through so much documentation in such a short time. Beyond that they didn't ask any questions. The jury foreman seems to have led everyone to believe he knew all of the answers. Do you dispute this?

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And that I just don't get. Truth doesn't stop being truth if you move.


 Litigation claims are typically specific. You can start out with something fuzzy such as they copied us, but it has to be translated into something which can actually be filed.

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