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Well it makes more sense to buy this than an iPad. The 32 gb model of the iPad shouldn't cost 200 more than the 16 gb version... and the data fees are crazy. I'd say Apple has to lower the price of the 32 gb and 64 gb by atleast 100 dollars per upgrade to maintain market dominance and add an option to have unlimited shared data with carriers for the iPad.

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Well it makes more sense to buy this than an iPad. The 32 gb model of the iPad shouldn't cost 200 more than the 16 gb version... and the data fees are crazy. I'd say Apple has to lower the price of the 32 gb and 64 gb by atleast 100 dollars per upgrade to maintain market dominance and add an option to have unlimited shared data with carriers for the iPad.

Except this is a terrible piece of hardware that runs terrible software.

 

And, well, Amazon's version of Android sucks more than stock Android, I mean, it's just terrible.

 

 


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How fast can 4G LTE chew through 250MB?

Ten minutes, an hour?

What do you do for the rest of the month?

It's like a V8 car with a one gallon gas tank.

A waste of time.

How much data do you get for the extra "$400 a year" the article mentions?

Here in Australia $30 a month can get you 8GB.

How fast can a 36Mb/s connection (what I just tested on my iPad) eat through 10GB of data? That's 4.5MB/s which is under 38 minutes. Does that mean that 10GB of data per month isn't enough for the average person because there is more than 38 minutes in a month? Does that mean that we shouldn't have 4G speeds on our devices?

And what's with this one gallon gas tank analogy? Wouldn't it make more sense to say you only use 1 gallon of fuel in a time frame and wonder how far that can take you? If you only work a mile from your home and live in a city where you don't drive too much doesn't that make it a more apropos comparison?

I can't believe all these cynical comments about the Kindle Fire. If they didn't offer cellular connectivity you'd all be complaining about that, but they did... and with 4G LTE.. and with a great data plan option for the average user. There is absolutely nothing to hate on this about. It might not be right for you (I certainly have no plans to buy one) but that doesn't means it's not an attractive and aggressive prices.

These negative comments from the Apple camp are exactly the same tone as those anti-Apple posters who come here to pooh-pooh any new Apple product.

Well said!

I posted in the other thread that Bezos' describing their offerings as more of a "service" (a portal to content) than a device -- could be a brilliant marketing strategy.

I totally missed that the $10 store credit was a $10 credit each month.

The $49 per year caught my eye... This is attractive!

What Amazon/Bezos are doing is classic marketing and selling...

You determine what people want and provide it as best you can... And take away buyer objections (reasons for saying no).

The device may turn out to be average, or even sub-par... But the package is attractive, and should sell well against current competive offerings.

The biggest downside is that it is US only, and they, likely, cannot remedy that before the competitors step in with their next offerings.

Kinda' makes recent Sammy, MS, Google offerings look like yesterday's news.
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Vastly increased data usage occurs before the user knows it, especially when migrating up from a 3G platform. On LTE, the pregnant pauses to buffer a newly requested video are much reduced and, before you've gotten very far into the video, the entire file has been downloaded--even if you have no intention of watching more than a few seconds. Result: completely wasted bandwidth and $$

How often does that happen? There are also video player apps on Android that let one limit the buffer size to prevent the entire video from behind downloaded.
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I think your image in that quote might be life-size on my display. And man, that thing has a stupid size. Not to mention the bezel, yeah. 

What the competition is utterly terrified to tell you is that Apple could kill every single one of them right now by dropping the iPad 2 to $299, since it still seems to out power and outperform everything they're releasing. Not to mention it's a usable size.

Question is would you like living in a world in which Apple killed its competitors?
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How often does that happen? There are also video player apps on Android that let one limit the buffer size to prevent the entire video from behind downloaded.

It happens lots. Surprised? Get yourself an LTE tablet and see first hand. Or tether your laptop to an LTE device.

 

Intelligent buffering, eh? I guess others see it as a problem, too. It would truly be helpful to have intelligent buffering be standard/ubiquitous, not something one has to worry about installing and using.

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A one gallon gas tank would make sense on a 50cc moped but not in a 5 litre V8 car.

250MB a month makes sense on 2G not on 4G.

Amazon has baited the trap, prepare for people running up large bills, no wonder AT&T went for this deal.

I have an iPad (3) + Cellular. I never turn cellular off. I never turn 4G LTE off. I live in a LTE covered area. I have yet to use close to 250MB in a month. So why don't you think my purchase which I find very useful not to make sense?

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post #88 of 124
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Well it makes more sense to buy this than an iPad. The 32 gb model of the iPad shouldn't cost 200 more than the 16 gb version... and the data fees are crazy. I'd say Apple has to lower the price of the 32 gb and 64 gb by atleast 100 dollars per upgrade to maintain market dominance and add an option to have unlimited shared data with carriers for the iPad.

Prices will naturally come down, but remember HD != retina.

Get a refurb. iPad 3 right now from Apple for $150 more.

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Anybody know if the Fire HD is LTE only (i.e., no 3G or EDGE)?

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I have an iPad (3) + Cellular. I never turn cellular off. I never turn 4G LTE off. I live in a LTE covered area. I have yet to use close to 250MB in a month. So why don't you think my purchase which I find very useful not to make sense?

I find it hard to believe that you Mr I use 100 GB a month uses less than 250MB a month on your iPad.
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post #91 of 124

What blows my mind is that these will be out end of November. Why is Apple the only company that can announce a major product, and have it available on shelves within a week or 2?

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
Question is would you like living in a world in which Apple killed its competitors?

 

I'd want to live in a world where all competitors cannot be killed simply by one company lowering the price of their YEAR AND A HALF OLD PRODUCT, that's for sure.


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What blows my mind is that these will be out end of November. Why is Apple the only company that can announce a major product, and have it available on shelves within a week or 2?

 

Two words: Tim Cook. Thank the greatest operations man of the modern age.

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Why does anything have to kill a iDevice to sell well? These are very decent alternatives to the iPad and a big improvement over the Kindle Fire.

 

Because if your device doesn't turn the tablet market completely on its head, it'll get lost in the iPad's very, very, very long shadow. 

 

These market dynamics are volatile. 

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Or, déjà vu do-do...

 

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I have an iPad (3) + Cellular. I never turn cellular off. I never turn 4G LTE off. I live in a LTE covered area. I have yet to use close to 250MB in a month. So why don't you think my purchase which I find very useful not to make sense?

 

How much time are you away from WiFi?

 

Do you have iTunes Match turned on?

 

Do you listen to streaming music or watch YouTube, movies or TV shows?

 

Do you sync exchange accounts?

 

Do you use Dropbox, Skydrive, iCloud or other cloud services.

 

On my iPhone 4 I do all these things and use around 1.5 GB a month, before iTunes Match it was around 1 GB a month.

 

I have these things, I like using them, I don't want to feel restricted by not having enough data for my needs, it is something I don't mind paying for.

 

All I can say on this 250MB allowance, is that Amazon or AT&T, whoever will handle customer complaints, had better be prepared for customers with bill shock.

 

You get what you pay for and $50 a year might sound like a bargain but if you want to use the full potential of something like this, it isn't really.

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How much time are you away from WiFi?

Do you have iTunes Match turned on?

Do you listen to streaming music or watch YouTube, movies or TV shows?

Do you sync exchange accounts?

Do you use Dropbox, Skydrive, iCloud or other cloud services.

On my iPhone 4 I do all these things and use around 1.5 GB a month, before iTunes Match it was around 1 GB a month.

I have these things, I like using them, I don't want to feel restricted by not having enough data for my needs, it is something I don't mind paying for.

All I can say on this 250MB allowance, is that Amazon or AT&T, whoever will handle customer complaints, had better be prepared for customers with bill shock.

You get what you pay for and $50 a year might sound like a bargain but if you want to use the full potential of something like this, it isn't really.

1) Often, but I tend to use a tablet in areas with WiFi. Do you think the average tablet user is not going to have access to WiFi?

2) I don't have iTunes Match. If I did, I wouldn't stream music to my iPad because I don't listen to music on my iPad. I have my iPhone for that.

3) Nope. No exchange accounts. Why is this an issue for a Kindle Fire customer?

4) I do. I have apps installed. Never been a problem.

5) No one has denied that it's possible to use more than 250MB a month. No one has stated you don't use more than 250MB a month. I've been as high as 100GB in a month, albeit with a jailbroken iPhone with unlimited/unlimited data tethering to a Mac that was running a torrent app. You still haven't shown that 250MB is so egregiously low that the average user would find it impossible to go about his daily tasks without reaching that cap in omeone claimed 4 minutes or something equally ridiculous earlier in the thread).

6) Do you get bill shock with the iPad or iPhone? I never have because I know they will let me know when I near my quotas. I think there are 2 or 3 warnings. I think with the iPad it'll stop allowing you to use more data before paying the $10 for an additional 1GB so I can't imagine how there would be bill shock.

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post #97 of 124
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What blows my mind is that these will be out end of November. Why is Apple the only company that can announce a major product, and have it available on shelves within a week or 2?

Apple operates that way in order to maintain sales, just as any manufacturer would want to do. Amazon was compelled to announce long in advance of availability in order to stave off purchases of Apple products. Prices for a given level of technology tend to drop exponentially over time, too, so the low price makes a much bigger impression right now. Come November 20th, the Amazon prices won't seem so cheap. If mid-November had been the announcement date, the pricing wouldn't garner the same headlines.

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Because if your device doesn't turn the tablet market completely on its head, it'll get lost in the iPad's very, very, very long shadow. 

These market dynamics are volatile. 

I don't buy that. I think these devices can sell well. Apple may lose some market share but only because the market got bigger, they'll still sell a record number of iPads and way more than the competition.
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What blows my mind is that these will be out end of November. Why is Apple the only company that can announce a major product, and have it available on shelves within a week or 2?

I really think it has to do getting their devices talked about before Apple makes their rumored iPad announcement.
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I'd want to live in a world where all competitors cannot be killed simply by one company lowering the price of their YEAR AND A HALF OLD PRODUCT, that's for sure.

Two words: Tim Cook. Thank the greatest operations man of the modern age.

Because it's not a year and half old product they're buying into but the ecosystem they're already heavily invested in. The most marvelous tablet in the world couldn't compete with that.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
Because it's not a year and half old product they're buying into but the ecosystem they're already heavily invested in.

 

I somehow doubt that.

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post #102 of 124

How does it work with 10 different carriers yet AT&T is the one providing the service?

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How does it work with 10 different carriers yet AT&T is the one providing the service?

 

Same way Straight Talk works without building any towers of their own.

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I somehow doubt that.

Then what would you believe the reason to be? There are plenty of people that would like a second or third iPad but won't spend the money or someone with an iPhone that wants a iPad but can't see themselves spending that much money.
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post #105 of 124

Funny how everyone focus on price, hardware and features...I don't see how this can come close to being "ipad killer"... Apple isn't interested in selling you cheap low-end tech unless they can walk away with 40-50% profit per item. I would be amaze if Amazon isn't losing money or coming out even on these new Fire HDs. If the mini-ipad is coming, I would be surprise to see it price below $300... Until I see a side-by-side test/comparison, I'm not convinced 7" Fire HD is better than Google's Nexus 7 either. It's always fun to read about the initial reactions after a product launch. Seems everyone forgot about Amazon's weak app store, it's crappy "Silk" browser and over-simplified Android OS...the custom crappy OS part alone still irks me...

 

There are plenty of tablet choices right now, if anything, Amazon's goal is't trying to compete again tech companies, they want to secure their existing customer base and enhance their digital experience. If I'm B&N, I would really worry right now...they haven't refresh their NOOK line in a while.

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
There are plenty of people that would like a second or third iPad…

 

I can see just as many people buying an Apple product for the first time as doing that. iPad 2 is the most affordable iPad right now, and it offers far more at its price point than many of its competitors and against many devices that pretend not to compete with it. 

 

Someone burned by the $79 Android tablet at Big Lots isn't going to be buying el cheapo stuff again.

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Funny how everyone focus on price, hardware and features...I don't see how this can come close to being "ipad killer"... Apple isn't interested in selling you cheap low-end tech unless they can walk away with 40-50% profit per item. I would be amaze if Amazon isn't losing money or coming out even on these new Fire HDs. If the mini-ipad is coming, I would be surprise to see it price below $300... Until I see a side-by-side test/comparison, I'm not convinced 7" Fire HD is better than Google's Nexus 7 either. It's always fun to read about the initial reactions after a product launch. Seems everyone forgot about Amazon's weak app store, it's crappy "Silk" browser and over-simplified Android OS...the custom crappy OS part alone still irks me...

 

There are plenty of tablet choices right now, if anything, Amazon's goal is't trying to compete again tech companies, they want to secure their existing customer base and enhance their digital experience. If I'm B&N, I would really worry right now...they haven't refresh their NOOK line in a while.

 

Whatever gives you that idea?

 

 

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post #108 of 124

Just seen an article on Electronista which states that all Kindle Fires will include lockscreens with ads showing 'special offers and sponsored lock screens'. The ads will also appear on the lower left hand corner of the home screen at all times:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/09/06/amazon.opts.for.ad.supported.model.for.new.kindle.fire.range/

 

I don't like the sound of that!

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Ad-support tablet...great idea except now you have to wonder if your tablet usage is being monitor? Failed on arrival for me!

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Power users will never want to be tie down to a close ecosystem. You should wait and see how fast people would wants to hack this thing so they can get ride of this custom android weaksauce os. Amazon has to to go after customers willing to spend on content after getting the "cheaper" tablets. Their entire ecosystem has to link  up or it's a fail attempt. I do see them with great success with existing customers, especially those Prime members. I'm not convince they can pull Apple or other Android users from the current market. 

 

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Whatever gives you that idea?

 

 

post #111 of 124
I don't understand why Apple needs to get sucked into a race to the bottom. Their business model is different than Amazon's. If Apple sets an artificially low price on a smaller iPad that will basically devalue their brand. Is there any hard data that shows Amazon selling cheap hardware is profitable for them? This past quarter they barely eaked out a profit and said the following quarter they might incur a loss. Wall Street is eating it up right now but how long can that be sustained? Amazon's P/E is 306. That's just crazy.
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The company developed its own cellular modem that's smaller and supports all 10 wireless bands.
 

 

Does that mean it is world mode. Could Amazon sell this tablet to (almost) any country and it would work with their LTE implementation?

If so, could it be an indication for the new iPhone?

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I find it hard to believe that you Mr I use 100 GB a month uses less than 250MB a month on your iPad.

I"m 17 days through my iPad cycle and have used 49MB.

I'm not sure what you saying about 100GB. I did that only a couple of times with Unlimited/Unlimited data with tethering to my Mac and running torrents. I recall grabbing 30 years of NOVA episodes.

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Does that mean it is world mode. Could Amazon sell this tablet to (almost) any country and it would work with their LTE implementation?
If so, could it be an indication for the new iPhone?

It might. It depends if they are talking about 10 operating bands for LTE or not. 10 would be a hit number of countries. I hope Apple and Qualcomm have something like this or we could see the first iPhone that is built with different HW for different countries to support various LTE operating bands.

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I'm confused as to how Amazon can offer LTE access for $50 per year. Is some carrier taking a huge pay cut? Why would any carrier allow Amazon to do this, when they are getting way more money with Apple?

 

Unless once again, Amazon is selling things at a loss...

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I'm confused as to how Amazon can offer LTE access for $50 per year. Is some carrier taking a huge pay cut? Why would any carrier allow Amazon to do this, when they are getting way more money with Apple?

Unless once again, Amazon is selling things at a loss...

Depends on how you look for it. AT&T charges $15(?) for 250MB a month on the iPad but higher tiers cost significantly less. I think it starts to average out to $10 per GB. This is basically a pre-paid for a year plan that is only 3GB in total but costs $50, which is over $16 per GB. It seems like a very clever set up to me.

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I find it hard to believe that you Mr I use 100 GB a month uses less than 250MB a month on your iPad.

 

The vast majority would be at home, on his WiFi network or at a hotspot.

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You gotta laugh at how hard Besos tries to pull of the Steve  Jobs Keynote presentation experience.

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I really think it has to do getting their devices talked about before Apple makes their rumored iPad announcement.

 

Actually, it has to do with what made Tim Cook so respected--getting all supplies and assembly structures in place and hitting on target outputs upfront with a continuous turnover adjusted on a daily basis. Apple spends billions getting the backend working first and then when they come out and present it's ready to roll off the assembly line in large quantities.

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I"m 17 days through my iPad cycle and have used 49MB.
I'm not sure what you saying about 100GB. I did that only a couple of times with Unlimited/Unlimited data with tethering to my Mac and running torrents. I recall grabbing 30 years of NOVA episodes.

Where did you find 30 yrs worth of Nova episodes and better yet where did you store them? oh and thats exactly when i remember you saying you used 100GB
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