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post #81 of 214

I have been an avid reader of Appleinsider for 10y's now & agree with others on the look!

It's great to see the refreshing change, but the forums section still as work to be done?

 

All the under-pinnings of the site "forum" have been worked on, the look of the forums has a lot to be

desired & doesn't match the front-page? Also reply-box sims to conflict if you have spell-checker on your OS! So those from other countries may have difficulty responding.   

post #82 of 214

Who had the brilliant idea to change what was my favorite site?

This is quite simply horrible, practically unreadable and most undesirable.

Switch it back or I'll be off to the competition.

post #83 of 214
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Originally Posted by waybacmac View Post

I like it though. I know I'm going against the tide here but I do like the new look. I find it clean and modern. As for too much white space, I attribute that to very effective ad blocking in my browser. Am I correct in saying there is no Java or Flash? I hope so. Make note of the criticisms and suggestions but don't make any quick changes yet. Give folks a chance to get acclimated to the new look.

You are basically saying - you like it because it looks totally different on your screen because you use ad blockers...
Which basically also admits that without ad blockers it is a horrible new design...

 

And how do I use ad blockers in Safari on an iPad?

Not much help there is it...  So I am stuck with the ugly design on any mobile Apple device.  Or am I?

post #84 of 214

After a sleep I have come back to take another look.

 

Very bad, on my 13' Pro the site only shows me the first article before I have to start scrolling. Its not usable or readable, please re think this.

post #85 of 214

I cannot believe how bad the new layout is? This is not aversion to the new. The main articles get lost in a navigational zoo. How can a website that purports to report on Apple resort to such microsoftian distopia. Always used Appleinsider for Apple news before, however, I cannot face using this jumble on my Mac. Suggest you change to Microsoft/Google Insider and do not contaminate the Apple brand like this.

post #86 of 214
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Originally Posted by waybacmac View Post

Well, that was a bit of a shock. I like it though. I know I'm going against the tide here but I do like the new look. I find it clean and modern. As for too much white space, I attribute that to very effective ad blocking in my browser. Am I correct in saying there is no Java or Flash? I hope so. Make note of the criticisms and suggestions but don't make any quick changes yet. Give folks a chance to get acclimated to the new look.

 

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Originally Posted by hobBIT View Post

You are basically saying - you like it because it looks totally different on your screen because you use ad blockers...
Which basically also admits that without ad blockers it is a horrible new design...

 

And how do I use ad blockers in Safari on an iPad?

Not much help there is it...  So I am stuck with the ugly design on any mobile Apple device.  Or am I?

 

Ok I see that some ether on desktop or MB have setups of full screen, also website view seems different.

I'm not on Mountain Lion & I don't use ad-blockers of any kind but this is what I'm seeing:

post #87 of 214

This new look is horrific.

 

3 headlines are visible when the page loads on a 1680×1050 monitor

 

The huge amount of brilliant white hurts my eyes after 3 seconds of viewing

 

The font sizes are massive

 

Theres huge amounts of wasted space all over the page

 

The posts are almost the same width as the advertising making them completely illegible.

 

AppleInsider, after 12 years - you will no longer be on my bookmarks list. :'(

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post #88 of 214

 

What the heck is a Samsung Galaxy III ad doing on here??????????

post #89 of 214
Too many scrolly things going on, and it's too narrow - 800x600 displays went out with Windows 95.
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post #90 of 214
How come nobody seems to be commenting anywhere about the redesign of the AppleInsider website?
post #91 of 214
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

 

It got bad after the last update, now it is almost unusable.

Everyday the first site I check is AI. It has been clean, compact and easy to see the headlines quickly. I then check it every hour or so to see what is going on (more than any other site I visit). At about 2PM central today I went back and hit the refresh and I was shocked. I really thought I hit the wrong tab or that something had gotten messed up in the URL. 

 
I can understand your desire to update the look but at what cost. Before I could see the headlines stacked quite nicely and see what had happened from the night before thru today. Now it seems like half the thing is white space that makes me have to scroll and scroll and scroll (and the day divider is barely visible). I used to have to scroll no more than two windows of real estate — that has now doubled. (BTW: I am using a 27” iMac with the entire height of the screen for browsing so there is no shortage of room.)
 
The font is spindly and hard to read, there is way, way too much white space between articles with a tiny label for the comments.
 
The comments system has changed to be something more like MacWorld or MacRumors on going flow with little connection, no easy way to quote others comments and again takes up too much space. They don’t look like they are a cohesive thread whereas before they held together.
 
I dang sure don’t need a banner flowing across the top to tell me which stories you think are hot. I can tell you now that the first batch is some of the lowest priority stuff I have read in the last couple days. (Come on 2 VP’s get stock options to keep the at Apple for a few more years as SVP’s: that is the entire story).
 
I don’t need the 1.5” wide empty column on the right that has the tweet, Facebook, etc. crap in it and nothing else.
 
The entire thing looks like the news is not what we are interested in — just empty space. Really weak.
 
You take away emphasis from the AAPL stock numbers. These tags that are white on black in the lower left are a mess. What is the order to them? Looks hodge lodge to me.
 
Seems like an article explaining your justification for this iid in order and should have been rolled out at least at the same time.
 
A warning would have been nice too. I am disappointed as a long time reader that apparently some significant effort went into something that could make the site so much more of a “me too” site that one that stands out on top.
 
Back to the drawing boards — please.
post #92 of 214
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Who had the brilliant idea to change what was my favorite site?

This is quite simply horrible, practically unreadable and most undesirable.

Switch it back or I'll be off to the competition.

AGREED!

post #93 of 214
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Originally Posted by TheFatWookie View Post

How come nobody seems to be commenting anywhere about the redesign of the AppleInsider website?

 

It seems to have a lot more empty space than the old design.

 

Otherwise, it's noisy, busy, harder to read, even with all the ads blocked. (The old site used to reflow pretty well without the ads.) Needs some work as it's a train wreck with the ads visible.

post #94 of 214
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

 

It seems to have a lot more empty space than the old design.

 

Otherwise, it's noisy, busy, harder to read, even with all the ads blocked. (The old site used to reflow pretty well without the ads.) Needs some work as it's a train wreck with the ads visible.

 

 

Whitespace is good. But what *is* there doesn't seem very well-designed. 

post #95 of 214

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Whitespace is good. But what *is* there doesn't seem very well-designed. 

 

That was the noisy, busy, hard to read part, especially with ads displayed. That might be considered well designed from a certain perspective, that it draws attention more to the ads than the content, but if visitors find it off-putting, page, and thus ad, views will drop over time.

post #96 of 214
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post
Back to the drawing boards — please.

 

Amen to that.

 

 

Really seems that this 'Gesamtbild' company has no clue how to design client specific web-sites.
All they did was take an off-the(ir)-shelf average-joe web design and applied it to AI.  Probably charging a lot for it too.


No one ever spent an iota of time considering what made the old AI design great, or what made people come back several times a day for more news.

None of that thinking ever happened, none of it was ever considered during this re-design - I bet.  

 


All I know is that I used to check AI several times a day as well, it was one of the first sites I checked every morning.
Now this will change.
I cannot stand this off-the-shelf poorly suited design.  AI turned into an ad spam and scroll fest.
From now on I will only check AI once or twice a week - if that.

I will just get my Apple news from other sites.
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post #97 of 214

I HATE scrolling banners so much I reluctantly must say goodbye. I find them too much of a distraction, even with the beautiful new and easier to read design that makes excellent use of white space and contrasting black type. I come here to read, not to be continually interrupted by pointless moving images.

 

No, I won't let the door hit me on the ass on the way out. I'll be back if you ditch that horrible idea.

post #98 of 214

Dislike new AI redesign?

I sure do. I much prefer the way these forums look, which was how the whole site looked previously.  Boy, I sure get tired of the contemporary impulse to constantly change things.

post #99 of 214

I am going to cite a Windows news site because it has a somewhat good desktop layout of the website, but I want to mention it ESPECIALLY for the mobile view of its website and forums. I can live with the new front page, though some tweaks would not hurt, but I am really wishing a a great mobile view.

 

So, back on the subject, on your iPhone or iPad, head to Neowin.net. You will see what the mobile view is really good. You can individually scroll sideways the news title if it is too long without scrolling the whole page left or right, and the advertisements are located at the bottom. As for the forums, it is pretty much the same thing. A full desktop layout on an iDevice is way too much.

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post #100 of 214

The first column is almost completely empty. What a waste of screen space!!!

Please, go back to the previously layout, two colums instead of three. Please.

PS

post #101 of 214
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Originally Posted by mikepro View Post

Hmmm... not a fan of the redesign. Too much white negative space, and the font seems harder to read.

 

/curmudgeon

I agree.  I liked the old site.  But I'm a creature of habit and not one for change.  I'm comfortable with familiarity and the old site was easy to navigate and worked fine.  Don't mess with something that was already awesome.

post #102 of 214

I thought the other layout and design was GREAT!  

 

I remember the first time I came to the site with that new design, I thought "Wow!  This is one of the most well designed sites I regularly visit."  I liked the grey, I liked the tabs on the top for navigation.  It was just superb.  That happened sometime within the last 12 months.  

 

Why in God's name do you change something you just reworked?

post #103 of 214

For the lazy ones, I decided to take some pictures. Click on them if you want the full size.

 

 

What I said in my previous post:

I am going to cite a Windows news site because it has a somewhat good desktop layout of the website, but I want to mention it ESPECIALLY for the mobile view of its website and forums. I can live with the new AppleInsider front page, though some tweaks would not hurt, but I am really wishing a a great mobile view.

 

So, back on the subject, on your iPhone or iPad, head to Neowin.net. You will see what the mobile view is really good. You can individually scroll sideways the news title if it is too long without scrolling the whole page left or right, and the advertisements are located at the bottom. As for the forums, it is pretty much the same thing. A full desktop layout on an iDevice is way too much.

 

 

Front page

 

 

Front page: individually scrolling title names without scrolling the whole page

 

 

Front page: the advertisement at the bottom

 

 

The article

 

 

The article: the comment section and the advertisement at the bottom

 

 

The Forums

 

 

The Forums: the advertisement at the bottom

 

 

The Forums: reading a discussion

 

 

The Forums: replying

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post #104 of 214

Also, the columns are fixed width, rather than floating columns!!!

 

Why is the column layout not adapting to available screen size, as it was before???

 

Unbelievable.

 

PS

post #105 of 214

There is way, way too much white for this theme.  I loved the gray of the previous one because it was much easier on the eyes.  I am a daily lurker of this website and an occasional poster in the forums but with this theme, I'll be curtailing my viewing time.  It isn't worth it.

post #106 of 214
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Originally Posted by RandomChaos View Post

Old vs New - look at the wasted space on my MacBook, and how many fewer articles I can see. From 11 articles to 3 articles!

 

     

This is my view. AI used to be the only good news format site left, now it looks terrible like all the others.

 

Why is it so hard for website developers figure out that every display made today is WIDESCREEN? The new format is better suited for 1996 when everyone still used 800x600 displays.

post #107 of 214

The main problem for AI with the new layout is that it practically forces you to aggressively use ad blockers or it's utterly unreadable. It still sucks without the ads displayed, but at least it's not completely unusable. So, although the intent seems to be to generate more ad revenue with the new design, the result will likely be the exact opposite. AI, you've just hit the wall of unintended consequences.

post #108 of 214

The fixed width columns are just fine IMHO. The main column should be wider though.

 

But overall it's a terrible new layout. Way too complicated and filled with stupid redundancies.

 

One word: Horrible !!!


Edited by Quick - 9/8/12 at 3:19pm
post #109 of 214

The site actually doesn’t look too bad on the iPad(3) in portrait. But not so great on the Mac. 

To clarify what I don’t like about the design I highlighted the "actual content" in blue in the examples below.

 

iPad(3) Portrait

 

Safari Mountain Lion

 

iPad(3) Landscape

post #110 of 214
I'm not going to comment on the new design yet. Sometimes it takes time to see what is good and bad after something familiar changes. One first impression that is probably worth sharing is that while I work through my normal tabs, passing by AppleInsider, the headlines do a much poorer job of grabbing my attention. I'm reading less from the website. It might be contrast related.

What I want to know is how a new redesign of an Apple-oriented website failed to include HiDPI graphics for even the main logo.
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post #111 of 214

I used to like visiting this site as I could easily read the headlines without scrolling.  Now it's just a pain in the ass and difficult to look at.

 

I'm obviously not the target audience so I'll be moving along...  This is actually a good thing as I was getting really sick of all the lawsuit news items.

post #112 of 214

The weight of the body copy font is too light. It's very difficult to read. It's difficult to read on my retinal macbook and nearly impossible on an iPad 2. Readability is something that can't be sacrificed for design.

post #113 of 214

Wow. So much disappoint.

 

the front page of AI looks so..generic and spam-like..and, could you fit any more elements onto the pages in general?

 

I am beyond disappoint.

 

What's with the design ethos of this Apple-related site? Shouldn't less-is-more be the highlights of any print-design..either digital or physical?

 

 

 

This community isn't the only place to find intelligent discourse around Apple products; but, it's formerly old-school and formerly hyper-efficient layout certainly made it highly accessible.

 

Now...now there's just so much cruft everywhere.

 

I'll be moving along..and forgetting my account password.

 

Too bad. This site is the single-oldest site I've been coming to since..1999 I think?

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post #114 of 214

Really don't like it.

First time when I saw it I was thinking it's wrong site.

It's much harder to digest info right now.

 

I was coming to this site usually every day but now I have to force myself to do it that much I don't like new look.

 

Old one was conservative but in a really good way.

 

New one looks like a total average junk and no personality at all.

 

Sorry guys but it's not working for me and I'll moving out.

 

Too bad :(

 

BTW why to change something good especially if new is bad? New not necessary always better and last Ai is good example!


Edited by nwind - 9/8/12 at 7:37pm
post #115 of 214

At least darken the background... I also feel like it's incredibly cluttered now, plus it seems as though there are a ton more ads.

post #116 of 214

I'm afraid I have to side with the naysayers. The new design is terrible from a usability standpoint. I won't say that I loved the old design. It wasn't "from the 90s" as someone claimed, but certainly not a great layout. Still, all it needed was to be tweaked. Change the fonts, increase padding around text, just minor changes like that. Otherwise, it was easy to navigate. But as usual nowadays, it seems that when somebody decides to change a site layout, they throw out the baby with the bathwater.

post #117 of 214
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Originally Posted by hobBIT View Post

You are basically saying - you like it because it looks totally different on your screen because you use ad blockers...
Which basically also admits that without ad blockers it is a horrible new design...

 

 

Sorry, friend, that is not what I'm saying. I like the new look. That is simply my opinion. I am not trying to change anyone else's opinion. I merely tried to note that with ad blockers there is inevitably going to be more white space, but I prefer that to all those ads. I expect the AI folks will take all the feedback and eventually make adjustments, but I very much doubt that they will go back to the old look.

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post #118 of 214
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Originally Posted by waybacmac View Post

 

Sorry, friend, that is not what I'm saying. I like the new look. [...] I merely tried to note that with ad blockers there is inevitably going to be more white space, but I prefer that to all those ads.


That is fine.  Of course everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it.


I don't think the new look is bad in general.  Yet I do think that it is a rather terrible choice for a news site.  It misses the point completely.  News should be the main content.  And as has been demonstrated by RonJanson and others, the actual ratio between news and 'fluff' has been tipped way too far towards the 'fluff' side.  To the point that this is no longer a news site IMHO but rather a 'fluff' site.
That is fine with me too.  I will just leave this place and get my Mac news someplace else from now on.


Till then.
post #119 of 214

The front page looks like the inside of Ally Sheedy's purse in the Breakfast Club... Leave a couple tools inside the toolbox, yeah?

post #120 of 214

And will somebody please inform me where in the world am I supposed to sign in?????

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