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post #81 of 174

With designs so similar to Apple, it's no wonder Apple's is suing everyone under the sun! Oh, I'm sure other PC makers will claim they have other inspirational sources...

 

 

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post #82 of 174
Actually, in HP's defense, the TouchSmart 610 all-in-one is a brilliant and innovative design. I use one for controlling concert lighting and it's wonderful. Not an iMac, of course, but there are no touch-screen iMacs that run my lighting software so HP it is. The way the screen folds down is absolutely great. Too bad they can't continue with that kind of innovation rather than copying Apple.
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post
so the Vizio doesn't look unique, you childish moderator?

 

I know I'm doing my job when I hit the trolls' nerves enough for them to devolve back at me. Thanks.

 

It attempts to differentiate itself from the HP and the iMac insofar as it is attempting to look exactly like the iMac without being sued.

 

This is what Vizio would be making would it were not for the iMac: 

 

 

And if you want to pretend that they didn't get their design ideas from Apple at all, that's fine. I'll go by operation and hardware layout. The entire computer is in the foot, as opposed to being behind the screen. There is a long, thin neck up to the screen. Then the screen at the head. Sound familiar? 

 

 

Heh.

 

 

Yes, by Apple.

 

 

Didn't watch. But I'll ask, "Why does your desktop and its accessories look like what Apple does instead of making something of your own?"

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post #84 of 174
The Emperor has someone else's clothes.
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Just for lolz, a court jester-type idea for Apple going forward.

Periodically distribute to all likely competitors, ideas that are just beginning to jell in the Design Lab, with the proviso that they have, say, 2 years to offer for sale a product to those specifications, after which Apple may or may not release theirs.

Retroactively applying this strategy, in 2004 Apple tells Samsung, Google, Microsoft, et. al. that it would be a great idea to make a phone with a simple geometric shape, with certain specific functionality. The competitors then have 2 years to figure out how to achieve it and commit their corporate resources to engineering, production, distribution deals, marketing.

The competitors launch their products, based on Apple's magical ideas, but accomplished using all the strengths they boast about. Then Apple launches its product, and the market-place decides the winners.

Would any company currently in existence accept this fantasy bargain?
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I agree. Reaching around the back to plug in my camera card reader is a pain. ....

 

iMacs have a card reader on the side, no?  

post #87 of 174
They could've at least used a different color. I can't believe that none of these companies can find a designer with unique ideas on how to design a computer.
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I wish they had dislike votes enabled, majortom1981 obviously dislikes Apple

 

Here's another vote for enabling the dislike option! Having only a like option is not natural and it reminds me of why I am not on Facebook. 

 

There are definitely posts here that I would like to give a thumbs down to. If somebody writes something that is completely untrue or just plain stupid, then they deserve a thumbs down for their post.

 

Why only thumbs up? I think that traffic would also increase if people could truly give their honest vote to posts and not some ridiculous system where people only have one option like on Facebook and other types of fake social media.

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iMacs have a card reader on the side, no?  

Looks like it. Mine is older and does not. I'm planning on replacing it as soon as the new ones come out. Still need that Compact Flash as that is what some of my cameras use. Well some use both but I have an investment in large Compact Flash cards.

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Looks like it. Mine is older and does not. I'm planning on replacing it as soon as the new ones come out.

I don't think a USB or two on the side would affect the look and feel of the device that much.

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I wish they had dislike votes enabled, majortom1981 obviously dislikes Apple

 

Here's another vote for enabling the dislike option! Having only a like option is not natural and it reminds me of why I am not on Facebook. 

 

There are definitely posts here that I would like to give a thumbs down to. If somebody writes something that is completely untrue or just plain stupid, then they deserve a thumbs down for their post.

 

Why only thumbs up? I think that traffic would also increase if people could truly give their honest vote to posts and not some ridiculous system where people only have one option like on Facebook and other types of fake social media.

 

I know it is not the same as downgrading someone but if you want to install my smilies script I did put a thumbs down icon in there. The script fixes the smilie menu. smoking.gif smiley23.gif

 

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post #92 of 174

It is the natural evolution of technology.. of course it does doesn't a natural evolution of technology until Apple does it.

 

But seriously.. it is pathetic that HP is resorting to Apple design rip offs.

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And all the apple hater's will come out with a rebuttal saying apple is evil and they stole the designs from someone else..
Sad, but so true... The ihaters will look for a grain of rebutal, while the obvious is the big pink elephant in the room..
post #94 of 174

The iMac and Mac mini designs are Design Patented.
 

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I feel the same way.  They are trying to create rather than steal.  Their efforts are not glorious, but they are workable.  Now, If they had anyone other than Ballmer at the helm they might be able to succeed.

Well... they had Gates, and things stood still for 5 or more years (Server 2003 - Server 2008, XP - Vista, Windows Mobile).

Under Balmer, things actually started moving. Clownish as he is, I believe he gives more freedom to department/project managers, and is more prone to listen to others ideas than Gates was.
post #96 of 174
"Apple is allowed to copy braun but nobody is allowed to copy apple? That does not make sense."

The Braun design that Apple copied is more than 20 years old, so even if it was patented then it would not be now. If somebody wants to copy something that was patented in the original 1984 Mac, they should be able to do that too.

And for what it's worth, I think the copying of the Braun calculator aesthetic was done as more of a tribute than anything else, not because they couldn't come up with their own design, and they have openly discussed it. I would love to hear Samsung or HP claim the same for their designs.
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Apple is allowed to copy braun but nobody is allowed to copy apple? That does not make sense.

It actually makes a lot of sense.

Jony Ive took inspiration from, and used, design elements from Brawn products to design completely unrelated products. Dieter Rams was in fact very complimentary of Ive's work, to quote.

"I have always regarded Apple products — and the kind words Jony Ive has said about me and my work — as a compliment. Without doubt there are few companies in the world that genuinely understand and practise the power of good design in their products and their businesses."

The difference is other companies are copying Apple to make similar, if not identical, products.

For more info read http://daringfireball.net/2012/09/homage_vs_ripoff

That should answer your question.
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...and the Spectre keyboard is 2" bigger in diameter...

 

A circular keyboard? 

Tubular, perhaps? 

 

That I'd like to see!

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post #99 of 174
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so the Vizio doesn't look unique, you childish moderator?

1) I don't think the Vizio is a knockoff, although they were clearly inspired by Apple's iMac aesthetics.

2) I don't think the Vizio looks very good. That metal pole it stands on reminds of cheap lamps that had that same kind of metal pole.

3) Don't call him childish. That is a personal attack. If you think his posts are childish then refer to the posts as such.

4) I don't think his comment was childish.

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post #100 of 174

Obvious copy is obvious.

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post #101 of 174
That's the best Meg Whitman can do? LOL!
Really!
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1) I don't think the Vizio is a knockoff, although they were clearly inspired by Apple's iMac aesthetics.
2) I don't think the Vizio looks very good. That metal pole it stands on reminds of cheap lamps that had that same kind of metal pole.
3) Don't call him childish. That is a personal attack. If you think his posts are childish then refer to the posts as such.
4) I don't think his comment was childish.

*snicker*

*gaffaw*

*chuckle*

that's extremely childish.

I didn't come through with the cliche tired points...I agree that HP is too inspired and even pointed to a good inspired design that to anyone with any true unbiased sense would not consider a copy.



I do agree with you about the pole on the Vizio...but I still think the device overall looks very good.
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also the HP isn't as much of a copycat as you think

The accessories definitely are, however.
Because their AIO is ugly.
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Heh.
Yea...that looks NOTHING like the Vizio and I'd be shocked if that was even in their design notes when they were getting inspiration from Apple (which they openly admit btw)

Inspiration isn't a crime.
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Yes, by Apple.

Who gives a damn if Apple inspires a better general design in tech? Give a damn about copies but not inspiration. WP7 was inspired by Apple...Android 4.1 was inspired by Apple...WebOS was inspired by Apple...The OneX and the Lumia were inspired by Apple.

TouchWhiz Copied Apple...Samsung Copied Apple.

Your real issue is an inability to discern between Copied and Inspired.
post #105 of 174
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With designs so similar to Apple, it's no wonder Apple's is suing everyone under the sun! Oh, I'm sure other PC makers will claim they have other inspirational sources...
Remind me when Apple has sued a Wintel OEM for copying iMac or MacBook?
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Because their AIO is ugly.

If ugly = not as good looking as the iMac then yes I agree...

but it isn't ugly on it's own...but like everything it doesn't exist in a vacuum.


PS...every woman is uglier than the most beautiful woman in the world at the moment.
post #107 of 174
Has HP or any other Wintel OEM ever said they were inspired by Apple? I think one of the Vizio execs said they admired Apple. But all HP ever said was Apple doesn't have a patent on silver. Also it's one thing to be inspired by a design ethos from 30-40 years ago, completely another to mimic something from 5 years ago,
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post
Your real issue is an inability to discern between Copied and Inspired.

 

"The shape of a cubic function I saw in a newspaper article inspired my redefinition of an economic growth pattern."

 

"This is the computer that everyone likes and wants, so I copied the design to make my computer look like it and am selling my own."

 

I think I'm pretty well set. You, on the other hand…

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post #109 of 174
We shouldn't just pick on HP. Dell got into the act a month or two ago. And before anyone chimes in, yes, I know it doesn't look 100% like an iMac. But it's still clear who they copied from. Problem is they tweak these designs so as not to be 100% Apple clone and then they end up looking like crap. Would be better if they started from scratch to begin with.

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Who gives a damn if Apple inspires a better general design in tech? Give a damn about copies but not inspiration.

 

It is a good thing for companies to be inspired to design better products, however they should take their own design direction rather than re-jigging the design of a competitor. That is what would be good for the market, not cashing in on the cache that currently surrounds Apple's products.

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If ugly = not as good looking as the iMac then yes I agree...
but it isn't ugly on it's own...but like everything it doesn't exist in a vacuum.
PS...every woman is uglier than the most beautiful woman in the world at the moment.

Ok I'll grant you there are uglier AIO's like this:

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post #112 of 174
There's no arguing with you people.

If you think the Vizio is a copy...then you can't be reasoned with...and now homeboy up there thinks the Dell is a copy...

The HP is arguably a copy...but the Dell and the Vizio? come on man.

Apple is allowed to inspire...companies are allowed to be inspired by...Vizio made a great design that was openly inspired by Apple....inspiration and mimicry and modification is how humans function naturally....it's how we advance...we do not advance by copying, however...which is why I frown on Samsung and as seen here HP, and the new laptops coming out that look remarkably like mutated Macbooks...

But not everything is TOO inspired or copied...Vizio found a great way to show that you can be inspired, evenly openly so, and still come up with a good looking unique design.

HP didn't...
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Ok I'll grant you there are uglier AIO's like this:
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now I have to ask....should companies be forced to design those since good looking Apple inspired designs like the Vizio AIOs which do not look like iMacs are still frowned upon?

Since the consumer has shown they like good designs should companies like Vizio NOT follow the design leader?
post #114 of 174
I guess all this moonlighting has allowd Jony Ive to purchase a $17M 7,274 sq ft house in San Francscio. 1tongue.gif

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majortom1981, last time I checked Braun never released computers or portable electronic devices. (cordless Razors don't count).
But they do count! Don't you realize that the holes in the bottom of the new iPhone are actually the foil that covers the cutter blades of the razor?

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I do agree with you about the pole on the Vizio...but I still think the device overall looks very good.

I could agree with that if price was weighed in as a factor. I don't recall the prices of the Vizio but I do seem to recall them not being bad for the money.

What we really should be asking ourselves is why in a world that vastly moved from desktops to notebooks for traditional PCs, and a world where the traditional PC sale is dwindling are companies now seemingly making a lot more AIOs when that was previously just a stupid Apple thing? From a personal standpoint the iPad and iPhone have made want a desktop again, but one that doesn't have all the wires of a traditional setup.

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post #117 of 174
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It is a good thing for companies to be inspired to design better products, however they should take their own design direction rather than re-jigging the design of a competitor. That is what would be good for the market, not cashing in on the cache that currently surrounds Apple's products.

You'll agree numbers don't lie I hope, so who's doing better Samsung that copied Apple or Nokia that didn't? Not saying it's right just more profitable.
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I could agree with that if price was weighed in as a factor. I don't recall the prices of the Vizio but I do seem to recall them not being bad for the money.
What we really should be asking ourselves is why in a world that vastly moved from desktops to notebooks for traditional PCs, and a world where the traditional PC sale is dwindling are companies now seemingly making a lot more AIOs when that was previously just a stupid Apple thing? From a personal standpoint the iPad and iPhone have made want a desktop again, but one that doesn't have all the wires of a traditional setup.

I think the criticism of AIOs came from gamers and those that enjoyed tinkering with their PCs hardware. I would say that the vast majority of PC owners would prefer a AIO setup.
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I could agree with that if price was weighed in as a factor. I don't recall the prices of the Vizio but I do seem to recall them not being bad for the money.
What we really should be asking ourselves is why in a world that vastly moved from desktops to notebooks for traditional PCs, and a world where the traditional PC sale is dwindling are companies now seemingly making a lot more AIOs when that was previously just a stupid Apple thing? From a personal standpoint the iPad and iPhone have made want a desktop again, but one that doesn't have all the wires of a traditional setup.

The 27" Vizio is just shy of $1000. It's also only 1080p. I only saw a sealed box and didn't check the panel type, but I wouldn't expect IPS, PVA or similar.

I think the problem was that AIO adds to the cost over a box.
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post #120 of 174

I wonder if you could make it a hackintosh... Then you would have an iMac with an ugly stand, maybe it could be called an iHPac.

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