Originally Posted by trumptman
Of course left and right are concerned about it but it doesn't change the outcome. The choices become this, when given a choice between wanting to slim government, or maintain government while believing they can somehow buy off or control or somehow acculturate these Islamists, they will choose the latter. Then they will do exactly what the left in the U.S. does, they will label anything that addresses them to be racist because it shuts off debate about the growth of government. It becomes a tool with a trade-off.
The tools become too expensive when no judgement can occur, but that is part of what we see around the world now. You simply go big on the lie and hope no one calls you on the carpet with regard to debt and bonds. If they do you get your friends together and double down on the big lie. This has been the entire nature of the EU so far.
Yes and when that result happens at the voting booth they will go into overdrive and go even deeper with their lies and charges. Here in the U.S. the media is all in for Obama. Everything is racist. When there isn't even a means of attempting to logically declare it racist they declare it a "dog whistle" and say normal thoughts are code for racist thoughts. If you say Obama and golf, or Obama comes from Chicago, you are being racist. If you declare something ought to be run by a city, county or state instead of the federal government, you are racist. The left in the U.S is certainly worried about Islamists but much like you mention, the discussion is simply shut down and declared to be intolerant. Since everyone "intolerant" is thrown out of the mob, they soon learn to shut up.
Nice word, "acculturate", a new one for me and worth using, especially now. That's exactly what they're trying to do here. Fortunately, I'm talking about the UK, we'll keep them in check. We've given them some room to live within their customs to a degree, which I think is fine. But the saying "give him an inch and he'll think he's a ruler" is true. They think that because we've given them an inch, we're gullible fools, who'll march to their beat. We won't. They are proving that they aren't trustworthy, and we need to make sure they're kept in check, which they will be. However, that road isn't always at the moment, favourable with our politicians. When it gets too blatant, rediculously they back down. Here's the Tories backing down-
"Moves to scale back the most widely drawn counter-terrorism powers left in the police "stop and search" armoury have been initiated by the home secretary, Theresa May.
An official consultation was launched on Thursday on the future of random "stop and detain" powers, which have been used by police special branch officers to question 70,000 travellers a year going through Britain's airports and ports.
The move follows criticism from the government's own official terror laws watchdog and within Muslim communities that people from an Asian background are 42 times more likely than white people to be targeted for these random counter-terrorism interrogations.
The national security powers, introduced under schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000, allow the police and immigration officers to detain any airline, ferry or train traveller for up to nine hours to determine if they are involved in terrorism."
I must say though, that things aren't always what they appear to be.Sometimes resources are better spent in other areas so I won't rush to judgement about Theresa May. I think she knows what's she doing in this instance and is likely to be upping the surveillance on those people, which will lead to more leads, and paint a better picture than would have otherwise been possible. Sometimes, it's better to watch from a distance, than blow your cover.
I think the American's and the British, both know full well that these people will never have the power to take us back to their nightmare of intolerance and backwardness. It serves no useful purpose in a modern world. Our politicians will always choose an angle and give their side some small victories, but the ball of progress keeps rolling on, and it won't be stopped by a few radicals. They really don't have a leg to stand on except in their own countries and even there, they're just shooting themselves in the foot. That opens the door for sensible people to come in and straighten things out, and when that always provides jobs and wealth, they pretty much know they have no other choice, no matter how radical they are.
Some info on UK muslims from wikipedia. The younger one's are becoming extremists. We need to stop them-
A 2009 survey of the attitudes of British Muslims found 77% said they identified "very strongly" with the UK, compared to 50% of the general public. However, only 7% of Muslims in Britain think of themselves as British first, with 81% thinking of themselves as Muslim first. 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK, and 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state. A greater proportion of Muslims (almost 50%) than other religions said they are proud of Britain's stance on gay rights, with less than 11% disagreeing. A survey of young British Muslims revealed that there has been a significant rise in Islamic fundamentalism amongst the younger generation. 36% of 16-24 year olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared to 19% of 55+ year old Muslims, 13% of 16-24 year olds admire organisations like Al-Qaeda compared to 3% of 55+ year olds. 61% of the questioned agree that homosexuality should be illegal, and 31 % agree that Muslim conversion should be forbidden and punishable by death. Majority of British Muslim have strongly conservative views on moral issues such as extra-marital sex. They differ dramatically from the views held by the rest of the British population.68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
The vast majority of Muslims in the UK live in England and Wales: of 1,591,000 Muslims recorded at the 2001 Census,1,536,015 were living in England and Wales, where they formed 3% of the population in 2001; 42,557 were living in Scotland, forming 0.84% of the population; and 1,943 were living in Northern Ireland.
In 2011, it was reported that UK has around 100,000 converts to Islam with 66% of them being women"
Edited by Hands Sandon - 9/15/12 at 1:52pm