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Wow!!! I didn't think Ives would drop the ball so soon after Steve's passing.
Samsung and Motto are light years ahead of Apple now in the design department.

Tech specs are somewhat solid, and iOS 6 had better be good because thats the only thing this design disaster has going for it.

Is Ives completely out of ideas???
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This phone's hardware is behind most Android phones and unless you're invested in the Apple Apps world, there is little motivation to join it.

 

Well,  give me an example of

 

  • Any Android with both LTE and dual WiFi band?
  • Any Android 7.6mm thin (including camera part)
  • Any 4" Android usable with single hand?

 

Any Android with all items above combined?

post #43 of 384
Originally Posted by Captain J View Post
In the smartphone world tech and devices are growing in leaps and bounds.

 

Yeah, their screen size certainly is. Nothing else about them screams 'growing in leaps and bounds' to me, though. We have LTE now, except we don't across most of the planet, processors are only going to become incrementally better, same with RAM, same with GPU power, capacities can only increase as fast as NAND grows, and MicroSDXC cards don't seem to be getting any bigger or cheaper any time soon.


…and I'm not talking about the design of the exterior.

 

I wonder if the people that say this realize how stupid they sound? The iPhone 4S was the fastest cell phone in the world when it was released. I imagine the 6th iPhone is the fastest cell phone in the world again. What part of "every single aspect of the phone was upgraded last time" was not "major changes"? What part of "everything but the camera is upgraded this time, and even more things that weren't last time" is not "major changes"? 

 

The case looks the same. BIG. FRIGGING. WHOOP. That seems to be the basis of your entire argument.

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post #44 of 384
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Do you seriously expect Apple to revolutionize the space with *every* release. 

 

The WOW factor is that it's the most unmatched marriage of hardware and software. And the phone's build quality is first-rate. And it runs iOS 6 (you can't seriously call Android an evolved interface), and it's better than the iPhone 4S. 

 

Nope, not every release.  But the last major update was the iPhone 4.  The 4s and now the 5 are small upgrades to the camera, processor, screen size, and now LTE.  So now we have to wait until 2013, by then Apple has been crawling along for 3 years.  I still have my iPhone 4 and still don't feel any need to upgrade.

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I don't like that through all the nonsensical and incorrect reasons for which people are claiming (pretending, or otherwise) they'll leave Apple, I seem to be the only one to know the valid one and who won't… yet.

Which is...?
post #46 of 384
Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
The 4s and now the 5 are small upgrades to the camera, processor, screen size, and now LTE.

 

Yes, twice over making the fastest phone on the planet are 'small upgrades'.

 

If you're waiting for a new "revolution", stop. You don't get it.

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post #47 of 384
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Wow!!! I didn't think Ives would drop the ball so soon after Steve's passing.
Samsung and Motto are light years ahead of Apple now in the design department.
Tech specs are somewhat solid, and iOS 6 had better be good because thats the only thing this design disaster has going for it.
Is Ives completely out of ideas???

Define disaster. You're mad because it doesn't light up with blinking lights or something?

The design follows the lead of all other Apple products. Minimalist. Metal and glass.
post #48 of 384
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If you're waiting for a new "revolution", stop. You don't get it.

 

I think that with the iPhone 5, many people may.

post #49 of 384
Oh and let's not forget the cost of getting new cables/adapters for the old ones.

BTW, this has nothing to do with how the case looks. I don't need the worlds thinnest smartphone. How about a little thicker and the worlds best battery life. How about a little wider screen. The whole one hand thing is way overblown both in terms of fact and how often it even applies.
post #50 of 384
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Nope, not every release.  But the last major update was the iPhone 4.  The 4s and now the 5 are small upgrades to the camera, processor, screen size, and now LTE.  So now we have to wait until 2013, by then Apple has been crawling along for 3 years.  I still have my iPhone 4 and still don't feel any need to upgrade.

Everybody fawns over the 3GS to 4 leap. What did that bring?

Metal instead of glass
Retina display
2x as fast


How do you beat metal and glass? You replace the glass back with metal and defy radio science by still allowing signal to escape the shell.

How do you beat the retina display? You can't. Well, you can make it bigger and with better color.

So what how does the 4S to 5 leap stack up?

Metal back instead of glass back
Bigger Retina display with better color
2x as fast


Seems like a wash to me. The visible leap for plastic to metal and low-res to retina is always going to color opinions.

What more did you expect? What more is possible? Eventually you get to the point of diminishing returns.
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Nope, other than his secretive but passionate love of Sony, he never has any original ideas of his own at all. And it shows..., but for his complete lack of originality, he was knighted. Everyone knows once you're knighted, everything will start to go down hill from there. Perhaps, that IS his punishment. 

 

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Wow!!! I didn't think Ives would drop the ball so soon after Steve's passing.
Samsung and Motto are light years ahead of Apple now in the design department.
Tech specs are somewhat solid, and iOS 6 had better be good because thats the only thing this design disaster has going for it.
Is Ives completely out of ideas???
post #52 of 384
Originally Posted by Captain J View Post
How about a little wider screen. The whole one hand thing is way overblown both in terms of fact and how often it even applies.

 

Yeah! Why, just the other day I used both my hands to hold my phone to my head and wasn't carrying groceries or other items at the same time.


Originally Posted by mcrs View Post
…he never has any original ideas of his own at all.

 

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You people should open a comedy club.

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post #53 of 384

We see the same comments shortly after every release. Especially after the iPhone 4S. 

 

Then we see "Apple sells x-million during first weekend."

 

Then we see:

 

"I knew it"

"Not surprising"

"It really is a great device"

"I love mine, it's awesome"

"beat that (insert name of Android OEM du jour)!"

 

And so on. 

post #54 of 384
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Yes, twice over making the fastest phone on the planet are 'small upgrades'.

If you're waiting for a new "revolution", stop. You don't get it.

Let's see the real life benchmarks before just accepting the speed claims. I'd like to see the benchmarks against the latest Android and Windows 8 phones.
post #55 of 384
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Originally Posted by majortom1981 View Post

So the actual camera hardware was only made thinner but hasnt changed from the iphone 4s. it still has the same specs.
Thats the thing I care about the most. a longer screen doesnt do anything for me.
I would think they would have atleast upgraded the camera.

What, like Samsung did with the Galaxy S 2 to the Galaxy S III, oh hang on, 8 Megapixel, the same, oh, oh I know like HTC did from the Sensation to the Ine X... damn, same 8 Megapixel, well so much for camera upgrades from the main opposition.

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post #56 of 384
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Yeah! Why, just the other day I used both my hands to hold my phone to my head and wasn't carrying groceries or other items at the same time.

You people should open a comedy club.

You mean to tell me the maximum width you can hold to your ear is the width of the iPhone? Sorry you have deformed micro hands. The one hand claim is operating it you dolt, not holding it to your ear. lol.gif
post #57 of 384
Originally Posted by Captain J View Post
The one hand claim is operating it you dolt, not holding it to your ear.

 

My point stands, as it is applicable to both cases.

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post #58 of 384
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I think that with the iPhone 5, many people may.

And what do you, in all your wisdom, think most consumers expected that wasn't provided?

Unless you like gigantic phones that require cargo pants to pocket them, what does an Android phone have that this doesn't? What killer feature hardware wise is this missing that will be released in the next year?

Don't say NFC.
post #59 of 384

So to go from 16gb to 32gb on the iPod Touch it's $50

To do the exact same thing on the new iPhone it's $100

Ok.......?

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post #60 of 384

A lot of complaints here (what else is new?)! For me who's still using a 3GS this is very good and what I been waiting for: LTE, bigger screen (albeit slightly bigger), faster, better cam, etc. This will be a huge upgrade from my 3GS. If you have a 4 or 4S it might not be so special, but for me and a coworker - we're excited. We didn't see the point of going 4S last year and still be on 3G only. Would be nice to make the screen 4.25+, but 4" is cool - need to go to a store to see how it feels. If they didn't make the screen bigger I was likely going Samsung S-III with a heavy heart and guilty conscious. Now… jump to Verizon or Sprint… hmmm… desicions. 

post #61 of 384
Originally Posted by mesomorphicman View Post
Now… jump to Verizon or Sprint… hmmm… desicions. 

 

Verizon has a meaningful network, so I think there's your decision. And LTE out the wazoo.

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post #62 of 384

Tired looking design - a bit like the Range Rover refined and functional but tired looking and out of touch with the new boys on the block.  Taller ? what happened to the scroll bar - doesn't that do the same thing. Iconic - isn't that a fanciful way for saying 'old'. Apple do yourself a favor and license the software to Samsung, Motorola, LG and HTC so we can get something new and you get to keep your cash generating eco system.

post #63 of 384
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And what do you, in all your wisdom, think most consumers expected that wasn't provided?
Unless you like gigantic phones that require cargo pants to pocket them, what does an Android phone have that this doesn't? What killer feature hardware wise is this missing that will be released in the next year?
Don't say NFC.

 

Rather, what does this have, that an Android phone hasn't for the last year?

 

Don't say iOS.

post #64 of 384
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Exactly!  I'm beyond underwhelmed with this.  (I say that because I love Apple and know they can do so much better.)  This is a huge miss.  Saying they didn't go wider because you should be able to hold the phone is a cop out.  It's not as if people are dropping Androids and Windows phones left and right.  The fact is Apple got lazy.  25 months to stretch a phone????  Sorry, that's lame.  Yes, they'll have huge sales numbers but anyone not already locked into the Apple ecosystem now has a lot more to think about when getting their first smartphone.  If I did not already have so many Apple products I would not buy this.  But since I do...

 

 

 

Careful Shidell!  You'll be labeled an Android fanboy!  This is not the place for facts! ;)

 

Woah, time machine, back to last year, these loser type comments didn't work then and they won't work now...

 

...now run along, Samsung needs you back on set for their new commercial.

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Originally Posted by Shidell View Post
Rather, what does this have, that an Android phone hasn't for the last year?

 

Don't say iOS.

 

Don't pretend you can ignore software. If spec whoring is all you care about, go buy an Android phone. A 1.5GHz processor won't help you use Android well.

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post #66 of 384
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Wow!!! I didn't think Ives would drop the ball so soon after Steve's passing.
Samsung and Motto are light years ahead of Apple now in the design department.
Tech specs are somewhat solid, and iOS 6 had better be good because thats the only thing this design disaster has going for it.
Is Ives completely out of ideas???

 Again, it looks just like an iMac.
It is a cohesive drawing together of all of apple's consumer devices.
the fully laminated screen? iMac
the holes on the bottom for speakers? iMac

Wow....just.....wow.....

Since I am way overdue for an upgrade, I am merely attempting to determine if I want black or white.

Is the black anodized black on the case? I can't tell with the pictures.

That would harken back to Steve Jobs and NXT computers, where he anodixed the screws in the case black as well, even when they would not be seen.

 

However the white is also sexy........

I have a feeling I will be buying one of my phones at full price......

post #67 of 384
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Let's see the real life benchmarks before just accepting the speed claims. I'd like to see the benchmarks against the latest Android and Windows 8 phones.

Considering the 4S, despite being long in the tooth, is still competitive with the latest and greatest Android phones, and considering this is 2x as fast as that, Id reckon the odds are good it takes the top spot. History backs that view up too, as it usually requires at least 6-8 months for Android to pass iOS on speed.

Don't forget, Android needs considerably more resources to be buttery smooth as opposed to iOS.
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Tired looking design - a bit like the Range Rover refined and functional but tired looking and out of touch with the new boys on the block.  Taller ? what happened to the scroll bar - doesn't that do the same thing. Iconic - isn't that a fanciful way for saying 'old'. Apple do yourself a favor and license the software to Samsung, Motorola, LG and HTC so we can get something new and you get to keep your cash generating eco system.

  AGAIN, it looks just like an iMac.
It is a cohesive drawing together of all of apple's consumer devices.
the fully laminated screen? iMac
the holes on the bottom for speakers? iMac
 

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Ah, the trolls are out from under their rocks today. Must mean winter is near.
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I think you're reasoning is rather out of whack. Almost ALL premium Android phones have tossed that 4" specs to their back storage room, never heard from again..., and so far there wasn't anyone who bought the bigger screen Android phone by choice complained about its usability or its fumbling out of a hand.

 

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Well,  give me an example of

 

  • Any 4" Android usable with single hand?

 

post #71 of 384
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Define disaster. You're mad because it doesn't light up with blinking lights or something?
The design follows the lead of all other Apple products. Minimalist. Metal and glass.

It's a poor form factor. Steve rejected designs like this in the past.
One has to wonder if the recent law suites against Samsung for patenting the rectangle, didn't have more to do with this design choice then anything else??? And i bet the blogosphere will be lit up with that exact question.
- they couldn't take the obvious evolutionary step of widening and increasing screen size as it would mimic Samsung.

This phone is a cry for help - 'help, we are out of ideas and our culture of innovation is being sapped by our uninspiring leader'.

I smell a new CEO in the very near future.
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Don't pretend you can ignore software. If spec whoring is all you care about, go buy an Android phone. A 1.5GHz processor won't help you use Android well.

 

You missed the point, which is that the iPhone 5's new features are items that Android has already had for the past year, and in some cases, longer.

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So to go from 16gb to 32gb on the iPod Touch it's $50

To do the exact same thing on the new iPhone it's $100

Ok.......?

These are products aimed to different kind of costumer. You charge what the customer is willing to pay for the upgrade, not what the actual upgrade cost. Apple has always charged premium upgrade prices anyway so there is nothing new here...

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Another choice stupid comment. Laptops are not changing and evolving at the rate and scale smartphones are.  In the smartphone world tech and devices are growing in leaps and bounds. Apple seems to have left that world and joined the incremental update world. That was fine with the 4S, but now it's the third phone without major changes that lead with new features, and I'm not talking about the design of the exterior. They follow behind Android by a year or more.

 

So why don't you fill us in on the "leaps and bounds" between the Galaxy S 2 and the Galaxy S III?

 

Same 8 megapixel camera, check.

 

Updated screen resolution, hmm Apple did that with the 3GS to 4 over two years ago.

 

More cores in a faster processor, hmm 4 to 4S over a year ago.

 

Yawn, can't think of much else.

 

Why don't you go away, your comments are boring, shill like garbage.

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An underwhelming phone if I've ever seen one. 

 

As has been pointed out, there is nothing in this phone that has not existed in Android for a year at least.

 

OS is still looking the same.  The minor upgrades to Apple's apps duplicate Apps that have been available for years and are mostly free.

 

Slightly longer screen - Meh.

 

LTE, again out for years on Android.

 

Battery Life - lower end of the smartphones.

 

As an Apple user since the 80's I must say I am disappointed. 

 

Yes, I will probably buy this as I've invested so much in the Apple environment, however, I do think the number of new iPhone adopters will plummet.  This phone's hardware is behind most Android phones and unless you're invested in the Apple Apps world, there is little motivation to join it.

 

This is exactly how I feel.

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post #76 of 384
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Rather, what does this have, that an Android phone hasn't for the last year?

Don't say iOS.

I asked you.

Also, considering Apple dominates mindshare and the iPhone is almost always the best selling device, it's remains the "it" device to which everything will be and should be compared.

So how will Android exceed it?

I expect to see a laundry list of specs that are utterly meaningless. It's all about the marriage of hardware and software. You saying "don't say iOS" proves you don't get it. If it didn't matter, explain how a similarly spec'd Android phone will lose to the iPhone every day?

And Android hasn't "had this for the past year". Considering the 4S was easily the best smartphone when it was released, and this is considerably better, your logic fails.
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Verizon has a meaningful network, so I think there's your decision. And LTE out the wazoo.

 Did the research on that already.

The real issue is what network options you have when you are not in LTE range.

With Verizon it's back to old CDMA networks.
Sprint I will admit I never considered.......
AT&T at least gives you Edge (being phased out), HDSPA, HDSPA+, and then LTE.

I decided to stay with AT&T, based solely on my network bandwidth coverage options.

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It's a great phone and probably the best built phone on the market. Specs are top notch. The excitement just isn't there like it used to be. I foresee incremental upgrades from here on for all phones. What more can you shove in a phone?

 

Look to Microsoft to make Windows fit on a phone entirely, and allow you to dock it to a tablet enclosure or a PC dockstation.

 

It's pretty clear that "Metro" or "Modern UI" or whatever is their bridge, and Windows Phone 8 is already running the Windows 8 RT Kernel.

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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

And what do you, in all your wisdom, think most consumers expected that wasn't provided?
Unless you like gigantic phones that require cargo pants to pocket them, what does an Android phone have that this doesn't? What killer feature hardware wise is this missing that will be released in the next year?
Don't say NFC.

The greatness of Apple and Jobs was their ability to innovate beyond our wisdom. If we're reduced to giving our ideas of what Apple should be innovating, they're behind the 8 ball.

When the first iPhone came out Jobs said he had a 5 year head start. That 5 years is up, and the iPhone 5 today is nowhere close to the innovation the first iPhone was in its day.
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I don't like that through all the nonsensical and incorrect reasons for which people are claiming (pretending, or otherwise) they'll leave Apple, I seem to be the only one to know the valid one and who won't… yet.

 

Most of them are probably sitting in a room in India, copying from a list on a blackboard and getting paid 2 rupees a post.

 

I wonder if astroturfing has been outsourced?

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