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The iPhone 5 unveiling has already hit the mainstream news outlets, complete with reactions. 

 

It's an understatement to say the reaction was very favourable. 

 

This will be HUGE. 

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You missed the point, which is that the iPhone 5's new features are items that Android has already had for the past year, and in some cases, longer.

And you miss the point that these features are added to everything that already made and iPhone, and iPhone. Android had to rely on these features to say "yeah, but... look what I can do!" What are they doing now that we should look?
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Why would it? Not every release is or is meant to be revolutionary over evolutionary.

Well, if the specs are lesser than what's generally available, then it's not even evolutionary.

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So is that how you become a moderator here?  Discourage and ridicule the expression of any views that contrast your own?  People are making very valid points as to why this hardware upgrade is underwhelming...that is not trolling.

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I asked you.
Also, considering Apple dominates mindshare and the iPhone is almost always the best selling device, it's remains the "it" device to which everything will be and should be compared.
So how will Android exceed it?
I expect to see a laundry list of specs that are utterly meaningless. It's all about the marriage of hardware and software. You saying "don't say iOS" proves you don't get it. If it didn't matter, explain how a similarly spec'd Android phone will lose to the iPhone every day?
And Android hasn't "had this for the past year". Considering the 4S was easily the best smartphone when it was released, and this is considerably better, your logic fails.

 

Is your brain failing you today?

 

What's new in the iPhone 5? A taller screen? LTE support?

 

Once again, all of these items have been present in an Android device for a year. Look up the Galaxy Nexus.

 

I don't know what you're talking about with a "similarly spec'd Android phone losing to the iPhone every day" statement. Sales? Features? What, exactly, is your point there?

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And you miss the point that these features are added to everything that already made and iPhone, and iPhone. Android had to rely on these features to say "yeah, but... look what I can do!" What are they doing now that we should look?

So now, catching up (which they don't do with the iPhone 4SL) is good enough? Apple doesn't need to be ahead of the curve anymore?

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The greatness of Apple and Jobs was their ability to innovate beyond our wisdom. If we're reduced to giving our ideas of what Apple should be innovating, they're behind the 8 ball.
When the first iPhone came out Jobs said he had a 5 year head start. That 5 years is up, and the iPhone 5 today is nowhere close to the innovation the first iPhone was in its day.

It's not possible to radically change a product every cycle or every other cycle. The future of the iPhone is software and allowing third parties more resources to make revolutionary apps.

Where's the innovation in the PC world, even with Jobs? It comes rarely and in waves. You get things like thinner and retina displays. More speed.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

The iPhone 5 unveiling has already hit the mainstream news outlets, complete with reactions. 

 

It's an understatement to say the reaction was very favourable. 

 

This will be HUGE. 

 

lol, you're clearly not looking at the same news outlets I am.

 

HUGE is right. HUGE disappointment.

post #89 of 384

It seems a fairly underwhelming upgrade. But, like the man back on page zero said it's still an iPhone.

 

Therefore it'll be up there as one of, if not the best phone on release.

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And what do you, in all your wisdom, think most consumers expected that wasn't provided?
Unless you like gigantic phones that require cargo pants to pocket them, what does an Android phone have that this doesn't? What killer feature hardware wise is this missing that will be released in the next year?
Don't say NFC.

No, I won't say NFC. NFC is already available in a lot of Android phones...

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The Lumia 920 [will be my next phone, BTW] has a marginally bigger but optimal 8.7 Megapixel but with F/2.0. And, if Nokia is telling "the truth nothing but the truth", the optical technology in Lumia 920 will be much more superior than the one in Iphone 5. 

 

p.s. It appears you're gonna get your Iphone 5 one day earlier than the rest of them in the States..., again. Congrats...

 

 

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What, like Samsung did with the Galaxy S 2 to the Galaxy S III, oh hang on, 8 Megapixel, the same, oh, oh I know like HTC did from the Sensation to the Ine X... damn, same 8 Megapixel, well so much for camera upgrades from the main opposition.

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It's a great phone and probably the best built phone on the market. Specs are top notch. The excitement just isn't there like it used to be. I foresee incremental upgrades from here on for all phones. What more can you shove in a phone?

I agree it's a great hand-held device and hopefully well built.
I also agree that the excitement is gone - and that was the love and polish Steve Jobs added.

Tim is a good numbers guy, but an innovative, creative and inspiring CEO he is not.
This is one of the first non-Steve designs and it shows.
Apple needs some new blood and mostly, a new visionary leader.
post #93 of 384

Im quite disappointed with the iPhone 5, but as a die-hard Apple fanboy - I'll still pick one up, but not on it's launch date though.

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what time will they start pre orders on the East Coast from Verizon anyone know? 

thanks

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So.. by far the fastest phone.

by far the best graphics.

by far the simplest and more fast/stableOS.

amazing 8h battery while browsing with LTE

ligther and thinner

great screen.

 

people complain.

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Everybody fawns over the 3GS to 4 leap. What did that bring?
Metal instead of glass
Retina display
2x as fast
How do you beat metal and glass? You replace the glass back with metal and defy radio science by still allowing signal to escape the shell.
How do you beat the retina display? You can't. Well, you can make it bigger and with better color.
So what how does the 4S to 5 leap stack up?
Metal back instead of glass back
Bigger Retina display with better color
2x as fast
Seems like a wash to me. The visible leap for plastic to metal and low-res to retina is always going to color opinions.
What more did you expect? What more is possible? Eventually you get to the point of diminishing returns.

 

Hey, Apple has to "keep up" with Samsung, they leapt from cheap plastic back on the Galaxy S 2 to PAINTED cheap plastic back on the Galaxy S III, now that must be the sort of thing all these whiners keep harping on about.

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Is your brain failing you today?

What's new in the iPhone 5? A taller screen? LTE support?

Once again, all of these items have been present in an Android device for a year. Look up the Galaxy Nexus.

I don't know what you're talking about with a "similarly spec'd Android phone losing to the iPhone every day" statement. Sales? Features? What, exactly, is your point there?

I was referring to performance. Android phones require higher clocked and juiced up processors to even compete.

What's new? Metal back, bigger display, twice as fast, LTE, thinner, battery life, fast wifi, etc.

And Android phones relied on the missing features of "LTE" and "bigger screens". Now that there's an even playing field, Android has to stand on its own merits as an OS against iOS and the iPhones other unique features.

By way of a football analogy: Let's say your favorite team has an elite offense but only a serviceable defense. In the offseason you bring in several big time free agents and now you have an elite defense to go with the elite offense.

A rival team goes "so what, we've had an elite defense for years" while ignoring the point that it's being combined with the already elite offense.

Apple plugged any of the holes that were holding the iPhone back.
post #98 of 384

Love the new look, can't wait to try out the new headphones, and give some of the new games a whirl on it when they're released.  Not disappointed at all.

 
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I agree it's a great hand-held device and hopefully well built.
I also agree that the excitement is gone - and that was the love and polish Steve Jobs added.
Tim is a good numbers guy, but an innovative, creative and inspiring CEO he is not.
This is one of the first non-Steve designs and it shows.
Apple needs some new blood and mostly, a new visionary leader.

This phone has been in the pipeline since well before Jobs died.

We haven't yet seen a post-Jobs iPhone and probably won't for another 2 years.
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BTW, this has nothing to do with how the case looks. I don't need the worlds thinnest smartphone. How about a little thicker and the worlds best battery life. 

 

Ok, let's see at the best of the Android world in the battery department:

 

 

http://www.slashgear.com/motorola-droid-razr-hd-and-maxx-hd-hands-on-video-05246150/

while the awesome RAZR MAXX HD comes with a 3,300 mAh battery life that promises 21 hours of talk time, 13 hours of video playback or eight hours of web browsing
 

 

While 21 talk time looks impressive for those who really want to cook their brains, the browser time is the SAME 8 hours!
So fat big Motorola phone with twice as fat battery than iPhone's has the same browser time and just 30% more video playback?
 
 

 

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How about a little wider screen. The whole one hand thing is way overblown both in terms of fact and how often it even applies.
 

 

I know you fandroids will never stop increasing you phone dimensions (compensating something?). The sky is the limit if you really do not care you can't use with one hand.

So what's the next? Why stopping at 5"+.  Why not to use 7" tablets as your phone? Sure they are usable with two hands.

post #101 of 384
More negativity than I expected. The iPhone (and the smartphone revolution it inspired) is starting to stabilize and move into a period of refinement rather than door-busting new features. I see a lot of people whining that the iPhone 5 didn't wow' them but they're not mentioning what features they wanted for that wow-factor to take place. For years I've had some various ideas about what I wanted to see from new Apple hardware but I've pretty much run out of ideas as well. Now it is just polishing them up, gradually evolving them, and gradually evolving the software to do more and more.

Someone complained that it lacks a 'wider' screen. No thanks on that, I like being able to comfortably reach my thumb across the phone without having to change my hand position. That probably won't be possible anymore without a little bit of vertical movement, but that won't be as big a deal as horizontal movement. Some people have bigger hands and could comfortably use a little more screen width but there are plenty with smaller hands who could not. Apple would have to introduce additional versions. In any case, I'm pretty sure that people whining for something like a wider screen really just don't get Apple. They're designing a product that is comfortable for everyone (and not everyone wants a huge electronic device glued to the side of their head and bulging in their pocket).

Someone complained about sub-standard battery life for a smartphone. That's just false.

I'm more interested in revolutionary new ideas that would have inspired that 'wow' factor, or made a competing device so much more 'wow' than the iPhone. Instead it just seems like a bunch of people justifying their beliefs for their own individual platform choice (which we see plenty of in relation to Apple as well, here). Also, the folks who shop on a checklist—"8 MP camera? Check."—there are plenty of manufacturers who don't care about quality and execution but which are happy to check of every mark on a person's list. "3D Interface? Check." I care more about the quality and how much of a delight it actually is to use the device.

And I agree. This wasn't a through-and-through 'wow' iPhone, and I'm not so sure we'll see that again anytime soon. We won't be seeing it from their competitors anytime soon, either. (Maybe some of this has to do with people seeing the reveal before it takes place and then somehow still expecting to be wowed by a feature list they've already gradually been introduced to). For me, I think the time has come to pick a release point in the tick-tock process that Apple seems to be following and upgrade every other year, and I think the iPhone 5 is going to represent that point.
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post #102 of 384
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post


I was referring to performance. Android phones require higher clocked and juiced up processors to even compete.
What's new? Metal back, bigger display, twice as fast, LTE, thinner, battery life, fast wifi, etc.
And Android phones relied on the missing features of "LTE" and "bigger screens". Now that there's an even playing field, Android has to stand on its own merits as an OS against iOS and the iPhones other unique features.
By way of a football analogy: Let's say your favorite team has an elite offense but only a serviceable defense. In the offseason you bring in several big time free agents and now you have an elite defense to go with the elite offense.
A rival team goes "so what, we've had an elite defense for years" while ignoring the point that it's being combined with the already elite offense.
Apple plugged any of the holes that were holding the iPhone back.

 

Which begs the question, if the iPhone is just now catching up, what's enticing anyone to switch? Or rather, what's encouraging them to stay?

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Tired looking design - a bit like the Range Rover refined and functional but tired looking and out of touch with the new boys on the block.  Taller ? what happened to the scroll bar - doesn't that do the same thing. Iconic - isn't that a fanciful way for saying 'old'. Apple do yourself a favor and license the software to Samsung, Motorola, LG and HTC so we can get something new and you get to keep your cash generating eco system.

 

Yea sorry, but I don't want my phone to be made out of cheap plastic. Honestly, you can't even put that junk in the same league as Apples Hardware. If you think the S3 looks better then this, then you simply have no taste. It's not really your fault, as most men don't.

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The Lumia 920 [will be my next phone, BTW] has a marginally bigger but optimal 8.7 Megapixel but with F/2.0. And, if Nokia is telling "the truth nothing but the truth", the optical technology in Lumia 920 will be much more superior than the one in Iphone 5. 

 

p.s. It appears you're gonna get your Iphone 5 one day earlier than the rest of them in the States..., again. Congrats...

 

 


When you really compare the iPhone 4S and 920 cameras, they have the same pixel size and same pixel count.  So while branded as 8.7 over 8, they are the same.

 

Where the Lumia is better (by datasheet) is F/2.0 over F/2.4 and the hardware optical image stabilization which will help in all situations too.

 

Will be interesting to see side by side shots when they are both in the market place.

 

edit: corrected spelling

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No, I won't say NFC. NFC is already available in a lot of Android phones...

And it's a huge security flaw. And there's a good chance a better technology will replace it, one that doesn't require a massive infrastructure investment to get the ball rolling.

People clamoring for NFC sound just like the people shouting for e-SATA.
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Wow!!! I didn't think Ives would drop the ball so soon after Steve's passing.
Samsung and Motto are light years ahead of Apple now in the design department.
Tech specs are somewhat solid, and iOS 6 had better be good because thats the only thing this design disaster has going for it.
Is Ives completely out of ideas???

LOL, This phone was designed by Steve Jobs so you can save your hollow "disappointment".

 

Whether there'll be an "ideas" drought is over the horizon.

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Oh crap ... we're back to the multiple models again

 

http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/

 

there are 3 different LTE models of the iPhone 5 .... this is not good, especially as you end up guessing which one your provider might use (if they have yet to roll out LTE)

 

In the UK apple's own slides showed O2 as a carrier, yet O2 has no LTE yet, and is not listed on the LTE page

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The latest Airs are a triumph of design, by far the most beautiful laptops on the planet...they could stay the same for a century and still be lovely. The iPhone 3 was lovely too, the iPhone4 was clunky and ugly and this is just about the same...but taller and clunky and ugly. We have to wait for the resolved smartphone design, but it looks as if Apple have given up trying to lead the way and will leave the experiments to others. Its a sad day.

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shidell 2012/09/12 01:42pm
Where's the wow factor?

This is pretty tired. Everything Samsung's "incorporating" has been in an idevice for almost 5 years now, in some cases longer.

tftfy :-)
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And it's a huge security flaw. And there's a good chance a better technology will replace it, one that doesn't require a massive infrastructure investment to get the ball rolling.
People clamoring for NFC sound just like the people shouting for e-SATA.

 

If it were a huge security flaw my Discover and Visa credit cards would not have had it for the past year. Its hugely overblown. Security is a red herring argument for why the iPhone doesn't have NFC. The reason is Apple wants to find a way to profit from it directly.

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People are making very valid points

 

Except that the vast majority of points commonly pulled out against Apple, usually aren't. 

 

The facts tend to have a pro-Apple bias. Just the way things are these days. 

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It wasn't designed by Steve Jobs, don't be naive.

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And it's a huge security flaw. And there's a good chance a better technology will replace it, one that doesn't require a massive infrastructure investment to get the ball rolling.
People clamoring for NFC sound just like the people shouting for e-SATA.

Yes, getting my pocket electronically "picked" isn't an option I'm ever going to voluntarily choose. The one time my bank issued me an NFC bankcard it got cut in half immediately and I requested they send my one without that. Like the early versions of the electronic passport where a thief just had to walk by with the right scanner and lift everything in it....

post #114 of 384

Well...

 

The market didn't like the Foo Birds...

 

Apple dropped $3 and change when the began to play...

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post #115 of 384
According to the tech specs on Apple.com the iPhone 5 comes in 3 models... 2 GSM and 1 CDMA model for the different worldwide frequencies.
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The latest Airs are a triumph of design, by far the most beautiful laptops on the planet...they could stay the same for a century and still be lovely. The iPhone 3 was lovely too, the iPhone4 was clunky and ugly and this is just about the same...but taller and clunky and ugly. We have to wait for the resolved smartphone design, but it looks as if Apple have given up trying to lead the way and will leave the experiments to others. Its a sad day.

 

iPhone 4 and 4S have led the way in customer satisfaction. This is documented.  Most consumers thought the design was beautiful. 

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Which begs the question, if the iPhone is just now catching up, what's enticing anyone to switch? Or rather, what's encouraging them to stay?

I'm guessing you're football illiterate.

Do you honestly think the 4S lacked ANY advantages over Android competition?

What makes an iPhone an iPhone is the intangible: the user experience, the ecosystem, the intuitive design, etc.

When you take that and combine it with everything it was missing, you have an even better product that's hard to compete with. Even without those features, the iPhone 4S was hard to compete with. What are Android OEMs going to do now that they can't hang their hat on having a 4" screen and LTE? They're going to have to come out with better marketing buzzwords. What's in the pipeline?
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Oh crap ... we're back to the multiple models again

 

http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/

 

there are 3 different LTE models of the iPhone 5 .... this is not good, especially as you end up guessing which one your provider might use (if they have yet to roll out LTE)

 

In the UK apple's own slides showed O2 as a carrier, yet O2 has no LTE yet, and is not listed on the LTE page

 

Verizon seems like the only choice. It works everywhere besides US AT&T. Plus they give you free tethering and facetime?

Time to switch.

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Yes, getting my pocket electronically "picked" isn't an option I'm ever going to voluntarily choose. The one time my bank issued me an NFC bankcard it got cut in half immediately and I requested they send my one without that. Like the early versions of the electronic passport where a thief just had to walk by with the right scanner and lift everything in it....

 

You are worse off entering a credit card number on an wifi network than someone hacking your NFC on your credit card or phone. Phones are safer. They disable transmission of data out until a password is entered.

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The latest Airs are a triumph of design, by far the most beautiful laptops on the planet...they could stay the same for a century and still be lovely. The iPhone 3 was lovely too, the iPhone4 was clunky and ugly and this is just about the same...but taller and clunky and ugly. We have to wait for the resolved smartphone design, but it looks as if Apple have given up trying to lead the way and will leave the experiments to others. Its a sad day.

 

Yea we could all listen to your (uninformed) opinion, or we could listen to what people who actually held the phone say...here I'll start

 

We just got our hands on Apple's latest smartphone following its unveiling in San Francisco, and suffice it to say, it's a beautiful thing. - Engadget

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