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post #81 of 100
NFC would have been great, not for shopping but for sync-ing devices it is so simple with it
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I've never seen a McDonald's with NFC. Are you thinking of RFID pads? If so, those aren't NFC and one would be very ignorant indeed to confuse the two.

Actually NFC is a subset of RFID, and yes every McDonald's that I've been in recently has an NFC payment system installed on the same unit that you swipe your card through.  Same at Walgreens and CVS.  Just look above any credit card reader when you check out at a store.  Most of them use the logo you see below:

 

 

post #83 of 100
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Apple just missed the chance to define the NFC standard.  Apple is playing hard to not let its followers to have the NFC and inductive charging because people will say Apple is becoming a follower instead of an innovator which is sadly becoming true after SJ...

Perhaps, perhaps not.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57389687-94/the-power-of-bluetooth-4.0-itll-change-your-life/

Bluetooth 4.0 supports one-tap syncing and Near Field Communication with freakishly low power consumption.

From Apple's point of view, why include a separate NFC chip when Bluetooth 4.0 already supports it?
post #84 of 100
Everyone talking about how great inductive charging would be is disregarding one big issue. The issue is that while it may be convenient to just drop your phone on a pad and not have to plug it in (wow society is becoming lazier by the day), what happens if you have your pad in your room up stairs but you will be downstairs watching tv with friends for a few hours? Instead of being able to bring a cord with you and plug it in, now you need to bring down the pad. Also what about charging your phone at work? Now you have to bring your charging pad to work? Or better yet, you will have to buy another?

I just dont see how inductive charging is so much more convenient that we need to waste more energy to charge the devices, wait longer for them to charge,  and that we need to go buy a pad (or two) to be able to charge wirelessly to begin with. Until those inductive charging pads work like wifi where you can be far away and it can still send the device power to charge it, I am not very interested. Or until the wireless charging manages the electricity it uses better, AND charges the devices noticibly faster than a chord. 
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Their passbook idea is far too niche and will not take off.


What's niche about a barcode?

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post #86 of 100
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Actually NFC is a subset of RFID, and yes every McDonald's that I've been in recently has an NFC payment system installed on the same unit that you swipe your card through.  Same at Walgreens and CVS.  Just look above any credit card reader when you check out at a store.  Most of them use the logo you see below:

That is both backwards and incorrect.

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post #87 of 100
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That is both backwards and incorrect.

Care to explain?  I can and have used my phone to buy food at McDonald's.

 

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication :

NFC standards cover communications protocols and data exchange formats, and are based on existing radio-frequency identification (RFID) standards including ISO/IEC 14443 and FeliCa.

post #88 of 100
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Don't get me wrong, I like NFC.  But with the current installed infrastructure, i don't know if now is the right time for Apple to jump into the game.  Any failure due to infrastructure problems would be seen as an Apple failure.  Why risk your reputation now, when later you can make a real difference.  I think it's very much about the timing.

The cost of integrating NFC into the iPhone is not a big deal.  Based on Schiller's interview, it seems to me that they just haven't gotten their NFC product offering complete.  I suspect that they wanted it in iPhone 5, but it slipped.

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Actually NFC is a subset of RFID.

Superset, kind of.  Mostly, it's a rebranding.  The underlying standards all reference each other.

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Perhaps, perhaps not.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57389687-94/the-power-of-bluetooth-4.0-itll-change-your-life/
Bluetooth 4.0 supports one-tap syncing and Near Field Communication with freakishly low power consumption.
From Apple's point of view, why include a separate NFC chip when Bluetooth 4.0 already supports it?

 

Very true. I wonder if many people bothered to read that article?

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The features of BT4 aren't really new.  It's mostly hype.  BT has been a persistent failure for years outside of cable-free headsets.  There is a litany of problems with the bluetooth spec that prevent it from being a good solution for payments.  Hence, why no-one uses it for that purpose.  The hype will die, finally, as soon as Apple releases their NFC product.

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post #92 of 100
Schiller is full of shizenhausen. They will just make you wait for the iPhone 6 so you buy that too ( and yes the rumours on that will start in a couple of months). As I have said there are only a few more innovations these guys have left that the brilliant Steve Jobs provided them so their strategy is to roll them out slowly - the cupboard will be bare soon ! And the mice on the treadmills will soon learn that they have purchased so many expensive iterations of iPhone ! Fanboys are mice - they just don't know it yet while Schiller must be laughing.
post #93 of 100
You know when Steve Jobs used to do the keynotes and say things like 'this is the most amazing product we have ever made' or the 'most beautiful product' you could see he genuinely meant it and you could see the passion for greatness. These guys led by Timmy now are tacking the Mickey - every keynote has the same line about 'this is by far the most amazing or beautiful or technologically brilliant product we have done ' (even with at best incremental improvements from iPhone 4 to 4s for example). How long do they think we believe this rubbish ! They haven't done anything major since the iPad - the rest has been wind and bluster. And why does Timmy think that speaking is semi hushed tones at certain points make him think he is saying something profound? It's marketing fluff but the Fanboys worship on the alter.
In 5 to 10 years time these reformed Fanboys are going to be saying 'what was I thinking to be worshipping a technology company!'
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Originally Posted by Ray Bart View Post
They haven't done anything major since the iPad - the rest has been wind and bluster.

 

Yeah, that's a complete lie.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #95 of 100
I think I would prefer the on screen bar code idea. RFID can be sniffed, and having played with it, I really don't trust it for security uses.
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Everyone talking about how great inductive charging would be is disregarding one big issue. The issue is that while it may be convenient to just drop your phone on a pad and not have to plug it in (wow society is becoming lazier by the day), what happens if you have your pad in your room up stairs but you will be downstairs watching tv with friends for a few hours? Instead of being able to bring a cord with you and plug it in, now you need to bring down the pad. Also what about charging your phone at work? Now you have to bring your charging pad to work? Or better yet, you will have to buy another?
I just dont see how inductive charging is so much more convenient that we need to waste more energy to charge the devices, wait longer for them to charge,  and that we need to go buy a pad (or two) to be able to charge wirelessly to begin with. Until those inductive charging pads work like wifi where you can be far away and it can still send the device power to charge it, I am not very interested. Or until the wireless charging manages the electricity it uses better, AND charges the devices noticibly faster than a chord. 
Unless your phone has serious issues and it's battery doesn't last a day, you have the pad by your bed where you out your phone when you sleep. No need to have it at work or downstairs as you put the phone on it every night which you will always do as its as easy as putting your phone on a table.
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Right, but the problem is, when Apple does do it and the technology is much more mainstream...Apple will probably be 2-3 years behind everyone else. However, despite being 2-3 years behind, it will be determined that Apple invented NFC along with the rounded rectangle. At that point, NFC will no longer be cool to Android fanatics who now use hockey puck shaped phones to avoid the rounded rectangle trade dress issue. Apple never made one of...oh...um...back to the drawing board...

One isn't considered clever just because they are able to amuse themselves.

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Originally Posted by Ray Bart View Post

You know when Steve Jobs used to do the keynotes and say things like 'this is the most amazing product we have ever made' or the 'most beautiful product' you could see he genuinely meant it and you could see the passion for greatness. These guys led by Timmy now are tacking the Mickey - every keynote has the same line about 'this is by far the most amazing or beautiful or technologically brilliant product we have done ' (even with at best incremental improvements from iPhone 4 to 4s for example). How long do they think we believe this rubbish ! They haven't done anything major since the iPad - the rest has been wind and bluster. And why does Timmy think that speaking is semi hushed tones at certain points make him think he is saying something profound? It's marketing fluff but the Fanboys worship on the alter.
In 5 to 10 years time these reformed Fanboys are going to be saying 'what was I thinking to be worshipping a technology company!'

And yet, you're here on an Apple forum discussing the company. If only the sadness of one's existence could be quantified.

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Originally Posted by Slang4Art View Post
And yet, you're here on an Apple forum discussing the company. If only the sadness of one's existence could be quantified.

 

Interestingly, it can, in words that we can't say here.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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Originally Posted by Ray Bart View Post
[post. doesn't really matter which one; they're all roughly the same]

 

Stop the mice analogies or you'll be gone faster than you can say, "Algernon."

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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