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Ahead of next week's launch of iOS 6, three more major companies have officially added their support for Apple's new Passbook feature for iPhone: Delta Airlines, Ticketmaster, and Starwood Hotels, owner of Sheraton.

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The three companies were not shown in previous promotional material for Passbook, but appeared in the application in an onstage demo at Apple's iPhone 5 unveiling on Wednesday. iOS chief Scott Forstall revealed their participation as he demonstrated how the new Passbook application in iOS 6 works.

"Passbook is the best way to collect all of your passes in one place," Forstall said, showing off movie tickets from Fandango, a Delta boarding pass, a coupon for Target, a store card with remaining balance from Starbucks, and a concert ticket from Ticketmaster.

Delta's involvement with Passbook confirms a rumor from last week that suggested the airline company would join American Airlines and United Airlines in supporting the new digital wallet and ticketing service of iOS 6. But Wednesday's presentation was the first word of Ticketmaster and Starwood also participating.

When Passbook was unveiled in June, the application was also shown to support Amtrak, W Hotels, United Airlines, and the Apple Store. A full list of companies that support Passbook has not yet been detailed.

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In his demonstration, Forstall accessed a ticket for a baseball game he had already attended. By deleting the ticket, an animation played showing the digital ticket running through a paper shredder, which drew applause from the audience at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco.

"One of the really cool things about Passbook is it integrates with the lock screen," Forstall explained. So if I have my phone locked and in my pocket and I get to the airport, my boarding pass already appears on the lock screen, I slide across, it brings up my boarding pass, I scan it and get on the plane. It's that simple."

New passes will be available to download through the App Store when Passbook launches with iOS 6 to the public next Wednesday.
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is there a list of all the companies who will be using Passbook online somewhere?
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is there a list of all the companies who will be using Passbook online somewhere?

 

This is exactly what I'd like to know.  I really expected more information on this at the presentation.  It sort of makes me think Apple doesn't have many partners yet

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I can't wait for the commercials for this feature... I predict some really clever uses.
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Is there anyway Apple could provide a POS system using an iPad's camera system or a separate 3D barcode scanner along with the Passbook app on an iPhone, providing current banking information, in place of a credit card or NFC system? There really isn't much difference between scanning a paid ticket and a QR-code representation of my bank account balance.

Of course, Apple could always open up it's own banking system and do away with traditional credit cards (one less thing to carry and lose) but why worry about those hassles.
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So I have iOS6 GM and I'm flying on Delta tonight, I'd love to get this working ASAP!!!
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So I have iOS6 GM and I'm flying on Delta tonight, I'd love to get this working ASAP!!!

 

Delta has had all the features and a lot more in their own Delta App. I've used it for years. Used it on my old dumb phone too actually. The Delta app allows you to change seats while waiting at the gate. It's pretty great. Try it out if you haven't already. I'm assuming the QR code on the Delta app is identical to the QR code on the Passbook. It'd be interesting to see if Apple allows more flexibility like seat changes and real time flight info in Passbook.

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So I have iOS6 GM and I'm flying on Delta tonight, I'd love to get this working ASAP!!!

Report back. I'd love to know if Delta's support for this is ready to go and if so, how well it performs.

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Delta has had all the features and a lot more in their own Delta App. I've used it for years. Used it on my old dumb phone too actually. The Delta app allows you to change seats while waiting at the gate. It's pretty great. Try it out if you haven't already. I'm assuming the QR code on the Delta app is identical to the QR code on the Passbook. It'd be interesting to see if Apple allows more flexibility like seat changes and real time flight info in Passbook.

Yeah, that would be cool.

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NFC vs. Passbook. 

 

Apple can adopt whatever standard, and industries will support it. The Apple Influence. 

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Report back. I'd love to know if Delta's support for this is ready to go and if so, how well it performs.

 

I'd be surprised if it doesn't considering the Delta app has done it for years now. I haven't printed a paper boarding pass for at least a year now.

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NFC vs. Passbook. 

 

Apple can adopt whatever standard, and industries will support it. The Apple Influence. 

 

Starbucks, Delta, United and AA already supported this in their own respective apps. I want to see a company that doesn't already have barcode scanners in place adopt it. Then you can call it the apple influence. Right now its the exact same thing you can do with an android but in one place, which by itself it nice. But certainly little to no Apple influence.

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I'd be surprised if it doesn't considering the Delta app has done it for years now. I haven't printed a paper boarding pass for at least a year now.

 

How does TSA handle your situation going through security? They're really adament at most airports that you offer the physical pass to them for review...

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Under what, if any, conditions does Apple adopt NFC?

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

NFC vs. Passbook. 

 

Apple can adopt whatever standard, and industries will support it. The Apple Influence. 

When Apple sneezes, everyone rushes for a Kleenex.

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How does TSA handle your situation going through security? They're really adament at most airports that you offer the physical pass to them for review...


The last time I used it they scanned the phone and handed me a plastic thingy with a number on it to carry through the rest of the checkpoint

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How does TSA handle your situation going through security? They're really adament at most airports that you offer the physical pass to them for review...

 

They have you scan it at a barcode scanner next to the TSA agent. It's a 50/50 shot if they check my ID. Kinda scary actually. Clearly they are not accustomed to seeing these yet. That is why it only works at certain airports. Atlanta, Detroit and LGA are the only ones I know 100% to accept them.

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The last time I used it they scanned the phone and handed me a plastic thingy with a number on it to carry through the rest of the checkpoint

 

What airport was the plastic thingy? I've never gotten one. I like the idea. I have always gotten strange looks from the metal detector guy when I say my boarding pass is electronic and on my phone. I don't travel all that often tho.

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While I utterly despise Ticket Master (why do I pay a "convenience fee" when I print my own ticket, using my own printer?), having them integrated into this will be useful, since I attend a lot of sporting events.

 

It'll be interesting to see how much extra they charge you to use this feature however......

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I'm still confused about how passbook works.  When I open it on my phone it shows what it can do with a link to the app store on the bottom.. and when I go to the app store there isn't anything there..

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Passes will be available to download through the App Store when Passbook launches with iOS 6 to the public next Wednesday.

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I'm still confused about how passbook works.  When I open it on my phone it shows what it can do with a link to the app store on the bottom.. and when I go to the app store there isn't anything there..

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This is great news. I am sure it will be a bandwagon before to long.

 

As an aside, Starwood is owner of not just Sheraton, but also Westin, W Hotels, Le Meridien, Four Points, St. Regis, etc.

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I really like the idea of passbook, I have rewards cards for everywhere, but it is hard to carry them all around, so often they are at home and I need to give them my phone number, etc.  I think it will also greatly increase the number of gift cards that get redeemed as well.  How many times are you at a store you have a gift card for, but the gift card is at home?
 

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This App is going to make the integration with all 3rd party companies easy and one app for all cards!! valet to put all the cards/tickets at one place.

We can't expect this to work equal to their own apps[ex: to change the seating etc..]
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The passport app is useless right now. When you launch it, it redirects you to the app store, which only shows a blank page.
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I really like the idea of passbook, I have rewards cards for everywhere, but it is hard to carry them all around, so often they are at home and I need to give them my phone number, etc.  I think it will also greatly increase the number of gift cards that get redeemed as well.  How many times are you at a store you have a gift card for, but the gift card is at home?
 


Im curious to know if you have existing gift cards if you have the ability to scan them and put them in passbook or if its only for like e gift cards. But i do love the idea of having every thing in one place

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I wish Disney would incororprate this for your tickets or for their annual passholders. They have your picture in their system, so all they have to do is scan it and look at you. The only hiccup would be for the discounts, but I dont remember if they swipe your pass or not. 

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Starbucks, Delta, United and AA already supported this in their own respective apps. I want to see a company that doesn't already have barcode scanners in place adopt it. Then you can call it the apple influence. Right now its the exact same thing you can do with an android but in one place, which by itself it nice. But certainly little to no Apple influence.

That's the entire point of it.

Sure, I can use a Delta app when I fly Delta, an American app when I fly American, a United app when I fly United, a Sheraton app when I stay at Sheraton, and so on. But that's not as flexible or convenient as if you can have it all in one place.

The real question is whether Passbook will allow the same flexibility as those individual apps - changing seats, confirming reservations, etc. If so, it's a huge step forward. If not, it's more of a 'meh'.
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Does Apple take a cut?
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Is there anyway Apple could provide a POS system using an iPad's camera system or a separate 3D barcode scanner along with the Passbook app on an iPhone, providing current banking information, in place of a credit card or NFC system? .

Apple never would because they don't want to be a bank etc.

But their own EasyPay system shows it is possible to make an app for that.
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The passport app is useless right now. When you launch it, it redirects you to the app store, which only shows a blank page.

No joke. It doesn't launch for another week
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I wish Disney would incororprate this for your tickets or for their annual passholders. They have your picture in their system, so all they have to do is scan it and look at you. The only hiccup would be for the discounts, but I dont remember if they swipe your pass or not. 

And fast passes.
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And fast passes.


forgot about that, its hard to keep track of those little tickets. But it would be cool if you could scan your pass on an app or passbook, I have one for me and my daughter. So scan it twice have my phone alert me that I can use the fast pass in 5 minutes show my phone to the person at the front and away you go. But is it feasible what would disneyland save money on,  paper? and be able to say they are working on being "green".

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forgot about that, its hard to keep track of those little tickets. But it would be cool if you could scan your pass on an app or passbook, I have one for me and my daughter. So scan it twice have my phone alert me that I can use the fast pass in 5 minutes show my phone to the person at the front and away you go. But is it feasible what would disneyland save money on,  paper? and be able to say they are working on being "green".

 

Fast passes for roller coasters? You bring your phone on roller coasters? You must be going on a whole different (lower) level of coasters than I do. No chance I'd leave anything in my pockets at Cedar Point.

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I wonder if it's possible for Apple at some point to implement a secure, NFC-free payment scheme?

Something like:
1. POS displays a QR code representing payment data (amount, destination)
2. Phone reads QR code
3. Phone presents payment data to user for confirmation and PIN/password input
3. Phone displays new QR code containing both "public" payment card number (different from the actual associated CC/debit card number) as well as a hash of the amount, destination, source and a time-based one-time password.
4. POS scans QR code from phone, sends amount, destination, source and hash to bank.
5. Bank knows the time-based one-time password associated with the source and therefore confirm whether the hash is valid or not.

The "public" number is useless if stolen, since it can't be used for a payment unless it is paired with a hash also containing the OTP. The OTP can't be re-used before expiry since it is never actually transmitted. If the hash is sniffed, the OTP will expire long before it can be brute-forced. The payment data can't be manipulated since it would invalidate the hash.

Although I'm not a security expert so I'm sure there's a flaw somewhere in there. Anyways on the surface it seems possible if Apple's motivated.
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I wonder if it's possible for Apple at some point to implement a secure, NFC-free payment scheme?
Something like:
1. POS displays a QR code representing payment data (amount, destination)
2. Phone reads QR code
3. Phone presents payment data to user for confirmation and PIN/password input
3. Phone displays new QR code containing both "public" payment card number (different from the actual associated CC/debit card number) as well as a hash of the amount, destination, source and a time-based one-time password.
4. POS scans QR code from phone, sends amount, destination, source and hash to bank.
5. Bank knows the time-based one-time password associated with the source and therefore confirm whether the hash is valid or not.
The "public" number is useless if stolen, since it can't be used for a payment unless it is paired with a hash also containing the OTP. The OTP can't be re-used before expiry since it is never actually transmitted. If the hash is sniffed, the OTP will expire long before it can be brute-forced. The payment data can't be manipulated since it would invalidate the hash.
Although I'm not a security expert so I'm sure there's a flaw somewhere in there. Anyways on the surface it seems possible if Apple's motivated.

 

Far to complicated compared to Google Wallet's current offering:

 

1. Card reader shows amount due. Tap phone to the card reader.

2. Enter pin on phone. Amount and retailer shows up on phone.

3. Tap card reader again to verify payment.

 

Even that is quite cumbersome compared to swipe and sign.

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Fast passes for roller coasters? You bring your phone on roller coasters? You must be going on a whole different (lower) level of coasters than I do. No chance I'd leave anything in my pockets at Cedar Point.


I was thinking more along the lines of Steve used to sit on the board of directors for Disney right? So it would have been interesting ting to see Disney incorporate this into their ticket system. Yes if i went to six flags everything would be in a locker. You can buy your tickets online now and bring in the paper so you don't have to wait in line, but it would have been cool to look up the email on your phone have it save the tickets to your passbook and have them just scan that, to save paper and remembering to bring the paper.

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What airport was the plastic thingy? I've never gotten one. I like the idea. I have always gotten strange looks from the metal detector guy when I say my boarding pass is electronic and on my phone. I don't travel all that often tho.


It was one of Atlanta, Philly, or Houston (Bush not Hobby)

 

I think it was Bush actually back in May

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Fast passes for roller coasters? You bring your phone on roller coasters? You must be going on a whole different (lower) level of coasters than I do. No chance I'd leave anything in my pockets at Cedar Point.

I agree! (By the way I love Cedar Point) Though Cedar Fair has launched a bunch of applications for their parks where you can buy admission tickets on their app and scan them at the turn styles to enter the park. Its pretty sweet system. Though I would love them to expand it for season pass holders so we can add our cards to the application and use it that way. Then when I visit my home park of valleyfair I only need to bring my iPhone. 

 

(Always remember to secure any and all lose articles on rides as cell phones cannot be out while riding!)

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I was thinking more along the lines of Steve used to sit on the board of directors for Disney right? So it would have been interesting ting to see Disney incorporate this into their ticket system. Yes if i went to six flags everything would be in a locker. You can buy your tickets online now and bring in the paper so you don't have to wait in line, but it would have been cool to look up the email on your phone have it save the tickets to your passbook and have them just scan that, to save paper and remembering to bring the paper.

 

You guys must not be up to date on what Disney is doing with their new FastPass system. They're basically encoding everything into your room key now. They also have a new app for people not staying on property. It's still in test, but it's working pretty well, apparently.

 

By the way, Starbucks is now showing up when you go to the App Store from Passbook, but if you hit Open, it takes you to the Starbucks app, not Passbook, and there doesn't appear to be any way to turn it on.

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