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post #121 of 189
9/14/12 at 11:30am
I think it's a reasonable comment. While inside the "tech bubble" geek-y world, the raw specs of the iPh5 don't really stand out, I think for the average consumer, if you compare a metal-and-glass iPh5 in your hand and compare it to the plastic-y bigger-but-lower-quality-screen competition, it will say... "quality"? "style"? Maybe even a touch of snob appeal.

Rolex/Timex. Lexus/Toyota. The differences to the shopper are rarely in the tech specs.
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post #122 of 189
9/14/12 at 11:31am
Let's forget that courts around the world (apart from judges in South Korea and Japan) are finding Samsung to have ripped Apple off and stolen their technology in their new phones. Forget all that for a minute.

Samsung phones and iPhones are both assembled in China. But the profits each phone generate is a totally different story. Profits from Samsung phones sold in the United States go back to South Korea to be taxed by South Korea and to benefit all South Koreans. Profits from iPhones sold in the United States are taxed by our Government and benefit all Americans.

I am an American, and personally I prefer to buy American. Buy Apple.
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post #123 of 189
9/14/12 at 11:36am
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But it's just a stretched 4S with an ugly two toned back. If Steve were alive he would have thrown this in the rubbish bin at first sight. /s

 

 
Oh, please.  Supposedly, Jobs DID in fact have a hand in designing the iPhone 5.  iPhone designs are going to continue to become more and more minimal.  I think that's excellent, and I'm looking forward to having my iPhone 5 delivered on the 21st.  I passed on the 4S since I didn't see it as enough of an upgrade from my 4.  I thought it'd be better to hold out for an iPhone 5, and I'm glad I did.
 
I've already seen a few great apps announce they'll soon be iPhone 5 ready (MindNode, for example).
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post #124 of 189
9/14/12 at 11:37am

Rolex?  Made-in-China Rolex means only one thing.  ROLF

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post #125 of 189
9/14/12 at 11:39am
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That may be true for that particular post, but, I'm a huge fan of the iPhone, and I am underwhelmed by this offering. To me, it is what the iPhone 4S should have been.
Nevertheless, it is not something that compels me to upgrade my iPhone 4 (no S). I'll wait for the 5S or 6 next year.

I fully understand that. But I was responding to the "only a larger screen" comment on the part of that poster.

I am weighing my options as well. I want to see what it is like before committing to a two year contract. I also want to wait for the accessory market to catch up.
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post #126 of 189
9/14/12 at 11:39am
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They could have advertised it as "four to five times a 1980 60M$ Cray-1, in your hand"

Yeah, that really rolls off the tongue!

Can you make it into a jingle for us???

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Cray

 

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When asked what kind of CAD tools he used for the Cray-1, Cray said that he liked #3 pencils with quad paper pads. Cray recommended using the backs of the pages so that the lines were not so dominant. When he was told that Apple Computer had just bought a Cray to help design the next Apple Macintosh, Cray commented that he had just bought a Macintosh to design the next Cray.[8]

 

 

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post #127 of 189
9/14/12 at 11:47am
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Rolex?  Made-in-China Rolex means only one thing.  ROLF

 

 

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Made in China:

 

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/09/iphone-tops-jd-power-customer-satisfaction-survey.html

 

http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/07/iphone-customer-satisfaction-bests-rivals-jd-power/

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post #128 of 189
9/14/12 at 11:48am
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Oh, please.  Supposedly, Jobs DID in fact have a hand in designing the iPhone 5.  iPhone designs are going to continue to become more and more minimal.  I think that's excellent, and I'm looking forward to having my iPhone 5 delivered on the 21st.  I passed on the 4S since I didn't see it as enough of an upgrade from my 4.  I thought it'd be better to hold out for an iPhone 5, and I'm glad I did.
 
I've already seen a few great apps announce they'll soon be iPhone 5 ready (MindNode, for example).

 

 

You missed his "/s" tag.

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post #129 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:12pm
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Not if you know about time pieces. Everyone knows Rolex because they advertise heavily but there are plenty of better built watches and some are even less expensive than a Rolex.

But maybe that was his point, the 'perception' of quality. I doubt it though. If I was going to choose a watch to compare, I would choose OCEANUS. Very modern...atomic clock radio adjusted time etc. Very high quality build AND has tech  (none if that self winding crap... old school).

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post #130 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:14pm

Hey, wait a minute, was a new Xcode pushed out so that applications can be made for the new resolution?

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post #131 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:17pm
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That may be true for that particular post, but, I'm a huge fan of the iPhone, and I am underwhelmed by this offering. To me, it is what the iPhone 4S should have been.
Nevertheless, it is not something that compels me to upgrade my iPhone 4 (no S). I'll wait for the 5S or 6 next year.
The reality is many of the improved features will not be used by most consumers. I just drove up the entire west coast on the major interstate, and rarely had 3G on AT&T, much less LTE on Verizon (makes me wonder how AT&T thinks its going to retire 2G). <snip>
Well, I can't comment on Verizon, but LTE on my iPad 3 gives me data coverage in a lot of areas where I could not get 3G coverage here in LA. Plus, I just drove up I-5 to SF over Labor Day and had LTE most of the way. Considering the growing urbanization of population trends, I am not sure that you should discount that a large number of the people upgrading are in major metropolitan cities where LTE is already available and is continuing to be built out.
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I also don't think the metal back is going to be more durable than the glass. Dropping the phone is still going to cause damage in much the same way as dropping the original iPhone did. I had only a few minor slips and ended up with some major dents in the metal case, and cracks in the front glass, even though it never landed on the front. Unlike plastic, there is no give on the case, so the shock is transferred full force, in some cases intensified, throughout the phone.<snip>
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Lengthening the iPhone holds absolutely no interest for me. I don't want my phone bigger ... I want it smaller. Take the iPhone 4, put it in a metal case, trim the top and bottom bezel to as narrow as practical (get rid of that big honking home button to do it -- see the new Nano), and that's an improvement in mobile smartphones. Hopefully Apple will continue to offer the 4S form factor, updated and revised as necessary, and essentially offering two size choices going forward. However, knowing Apple I will not hold my breath.<snip>
I think you are going to have to actually see the 4 and the 5 side-by-side before you make this judgement. I think the size difference is negligible but the form factor appreciable when using the iPhone as a media consumption device. I agree that I would love a phone that is nothing more than a block the size of the current nano, especially since I use a bluetooth headset and also carry an iPad so I really don't need a phone as a consumption device, but since no company considers that to be a marketable form factor, I would just as soon have a wider 16x9 screen.

<snip> Sorry. Not a troll. Just being pragmatic, which I realize does not represent most of the iOS fan community. I've been told that Texas Instruments employees are poised to replace all of their corporate contract iPhone 4S with early termination fees in order to upgrade to the iPhone 5. I can only shake my head, because doing that is a luxury, which to me seems totally unjustified by the improvements of the 5.<snip>
TI is based in Dallas, and that is where Metro PCS has their VoLTE network in place, and is likely where Verizon will do (or already is doing) their VoLTE testing. TI is obviously looking at moving voice communications out of analog technology which should improve call quality and reliability.
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post #132 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:20pm
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But maybe that was his point, the 'perception' of quality. I doubt it though. If I was going to choose a watch to compare, I would choose OCEANUS. Very modern...atomic clock radio adjusted time etc. Very high quality build AND has tech  (none if that self winding crap... old school).

When your battery dies my self winding crap will still be working.
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post #133 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:24pm
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Um, thanks? I don't understand why you posted this. I know what the word mean, I used it. I didn't mean the word was used contrary to grammatical rules... just that you were being overly dramatic in that the iPhone should somehow have a vaulted level of respect when being compared to a Rolex. It's silly, petty and to be honest - no one asked you what you thought of the Rolex. 

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post #134 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:30pm
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Hey, wait a minute, was a new Xcode pushed out so that applications can be made for the new resolution?

 

Yes, XCode 4.5 GM and the iOS 6 GM.

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post #135 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:32pm
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Come on even apple fans liked what nokia presented with the 920. I think this shows how biased this person really is. I have an iphone 4s and just a screen size change will not make me switch.

Okay, how about the thinner design? LTE? The improved display quality? The improved camera? The metal back? The improved wireless performance, both cellular and wifi? How about the improved audio performance? Or the overall faster performance of the unit? You're right, none of those things are singularly worth it, but putting them all together makes for one hell of a phone.
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post #136 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:32pm
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I see sarcasm is lost on you too.

 

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm:

 

 

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Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt",[1] usually conveyed through irony or understatement

 

 

What you said wasn't sarcasm, there was nothing to convey it as such.  For an example of sarcasm see the first line of my reply.

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post #137 of 189
9/14/12 at 12:52pm
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Some will say this is just another iPhone. Some are outraged at the price of a Tiffany's engagement ring. They look at the high quality stones & workmanship through a loop & say, "so?" They then buy a cheaper ring elseware. "Honey, why is my finger green?" "Hey, it's a good ring & I got a great deal." Tthere are differences.

 

Not to get all off topic here, but your analogy irked me, and is not akin to Apple at all. Tiffany sells good quality diamond rings, yes.... but.... if you do a little research and shop around, you can actually find a better quality diamond for a lot better price. You pay ALOT for the Tiffany name, and the whole Tiffany champaign experience, but at the end of the day you're overpaying for what you get. Don't believe me? Try for yourself. Go to Tiffany's and find a diamond ring you like, then look at the GIA certificate. Then go to Bluenile, or James Allen and find the same speced diamond, also GIA certified, and be amazed at the price savings.

 

On the flip side, what munster is saying is you get the best phone, for the same price as everything else.

 

/end rant

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post #138 of 189
9/14/12 at 1:02pm
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You missed his "/s" tag.

 

Ah, I see.  Let me try:

 

"The sky is blue. /s"

"The economy is in dire shape right now. /s"

"Samsung is handily beating Apple in the smartphone race. /s"

"The universe's expansion is expected to reverse and ultimately collapse in a big crunch. /s"

"If you touch her again I'm going to kill you! /s"

"I have a bomb strapped to my chest and I will detonate it in 30 minutes unless my demands are met! /s"

 

Are any of these examples of sarcasm just because there's an "/s" on the end?  I don't think so!

 

If you have to explicitly state that something is sarcasm then it isn't sarcasm.

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post #139 of 189
9/14/12 at 1:12pm
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Ah, I see.  Let me try:

"The sky is blue. /s"
"The economy is in dire shape right now. /s"
"Samsung is handily beating Apple in the smartphone race. /s"
"The universe's expansion is expected to reverse and ultimately collapse in a big crunch. /s"
"If you touch her again I'm going to kill you! /s"
"I have a bomb strapped to my chest and I will detonate it in 30 minutes unless my demands are met! /s"

Are any of these examples of sarcasm just because there's an "/s" on the end?  I don't think so!

If you have to explicitly state that something is sarcasm then it isn't sarcasm.

Wrong. Sarcasm is hard to convey on a forum like this and it's useful to tag it so that it's clear.

Not everything with /s after it is sarcasm - but no one ever suggested that it was. But it is perfectly reasonable to add /s to a sarcastic comment just to make your position clear.
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post #140 of 189
9/14/12 at 1:15pm

Yawn...so far off track this is

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post #141 of 189
9/14/12 at 1:27pm
I'm more enthused about the iPhone 5 than about any model since the original. It's really quite a significant upgrade, and looks like a beautifully designed and manufactured product. Of course, being a cheapskate, I won't be buying one.
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post #142 of 189
9/14/12 at 1:30pm
Originally Posted by icoco3 View Post
Yawn...so far off track this is

 

How the iPhone does not overall surpass every other phone on the market explain, would you like to? 

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post #143 of 189
9/14/12 at 1:37pm
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Wrong. Sarcasm is hard to convey on a forum like this and it's useful to tag it so that it's clear.
Not everything with /s after it is sarcasm - but no one ever suggested that it was. But it is perfectly reasonable to add /s to a sarcastic comment just to make your position clear.

 

That's fine, but if you look at the OP's purpoted sarcasm then I think you'll agree that it was one of these things with an /s after it that isn't sarcasm.  Several other posters also missed the purpoted sarcasm, all the more evidence that it wasn't.

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post #144 of 189
9/14/12 at 1:45pm
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Wrong. Sarcasm is hard to convey on a forum like this and it's useful to tag it so that it's clear.
Not everything with /s after it is sarcasm - but no one ever suggested that it was. But it is perfectly reasonable to add /s to a sarcastic comment just to make your position clear.

 

That's fine, but if you look at the OP's purpoted sarcasm then I think you'll agree that it was one of these things with an /s after it that isn't sarcasm.  Several other posters also missed the purpoted sarcasm, all the more evidence that it wasn't.

 

Maybe you should add a /p to your posts to signify pedantic!

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post #145 of 189
9/14/12 at 2:15pm
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Don't think so, but a Kia in a sea of Fords might work

That should be "a sea of Chevrolets"?

 

Although we call them Holdens, the deep and longstanding rivalry goes way back, before personal computers and cell phones were even thought of.

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post #146 of 189
9/14/12 at 2:20pm
'a Rolex among a sea of Sundials'
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post #147 of 189
9/14/12 at 4:09pm
The new iPhone is frankly underwhelming and if it is anything like my Rolex then Apple need to be worried.

Sorry but my next phone will be a S3
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post #148 of 189
9/14/12 at 4:13pm
Originally Posted by Odysseus1923 View Post
The new iPhone is frankly underwhelming and if it is anything like my Rolex then Apple need to be worried.
Sorry but my next phone will be a S3

 

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post #149 of 189
9/14/12 at 4:19pm
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Um, thanks? I don't understand why you posted this. I know what the word mean, I used it. I didn't mean the word was used contrary to grammatical rules... just that you were being overly dramatic in that the iPhone should somehow have a vaulted level of respect when being compared to a Rolex. It's silly, petty and to be honest - no one asked you what you thought of the Rolex. 

Sorry for exposing you to my unusually high standards of quality...  While Apple clearly makes the cut, you and Rolex do not.

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9/14/12 at 6:51pm
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The new iPhone is frankly underwhelming and if it is anything like my Rolex then Apple need to be worried.
Sorry but my next phone will be a S3

 

...but the S3 was only a minor update to the S2, they added a few pixels to a larger screen, same 8 megapixel camera, blah, blah, blah.

 

Sorry but I think your Rolex is as fake as your desire for a fake iPhone.

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9/14/12 at 7:03pm
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I quick note to those commenting on the use of the brand "Rolex" as the upper echelon in this analogy. I think it's use isn't trying to say that Rolex is the best time piece maker available but rather that the public view of the brand is very positive and associated with quality by the average consumer – who isn't accustomed to shopping for watches over $500 dollars. Yes, there are "better" watches (better always being subjective) but I think it's fair to say that the average person perceves the Rolex brand to be of luxury quality, like Rolls Royce, Cartier and Louis Vutton. The factual "quality" or detail-oriented "greatness" could be desputed but I think it's fair to say it would be splitting hairs.

 

Pretty sad that you had to explain the obvious isn't it?

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9/14/12 at 7:24pm
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The new iPhone is frankly underwhelming and if it is anything like my Rolex then Apple need to be worried.
Sorry but my next phone will be a S3

You're telling me that the iPhone 5 was an underwhelming upgrade to the 4S, but that you're interested in the S3, which was arguably even more-so a simple, incremental upgrade to the S2?

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post #153 of 189
9/14/12 at 8:04pm
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How the iPhone does not overall surpass every other phone on the market explain, would you like to? 

I actually like new iPhone a lot. I was never fond of "glass sandwich" design of previous two iPhones, so this new look is probably the best I could hope for.

Likewise the screen size. I have a habit of sending (and receiving) long txt messages, and previous screen size didn't left much space for viewing txt message when keyboard is open in SMS app.

Lighter is good, though not show stopper. Slimmer, I'm not 100% sure before I can hold one in my hand. I have long fingers and I like to have enough material to wrap them around. If phones continue becoming slimmer, at some point they will become uncomfortably slim for my hand. I don't know if that threshold is reached or not with iP5, thus I'll keep my judgement till I can handle one.

I'm expecting phones to receive speed up with new generation, so I'm not disappointed here either. I still use 3Gs and, not being heavy smartphone user (basically no games), speed is not my priority, but like I said, it is good to be there.

Camera and screen quality improvements, I'll wait for some trustworthy tests first. I hope improvements will be visible to naked eye, and in everyday scenarios.

New connector, nice. Old one always felt unnecessarily big for me.

iOS, I'd personally like updated UI... I like to play with new things. But I'm well aware that majority of users don't want to learn new OS every time they replace their phone, so I'm not surprised Apple is not changing what seems like winning formula for them.

But is it overall surpassing every other phone? It seems to me you have made your decision even before specs were known. Me, I'll wait for opportunity to try one. I'll also wait for some reliable reviews - it is given that Anandtech will have one, Anand being both iPhone and MBP user. I'll also wait for new Lumias and other WP8 devices to be available and check on them, too. Then I will decide if, for my needs, this phone surpasses others or not.
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9/15/12 at 4:39am
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Eyerone who is complaining about the analogy not working because "there is better watches than rolex" is on my ignore list now. Along with all the grammer nazi's.. I really like posts like these to filter it down to commenters who are saying stuff that has a point and adds to the argument.
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.... Along with the grammar nazi's what? ..... Or are you referring to Kelsey Grammer maybe?

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9/15/12 at 4:54am
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That's fine, but if you look at the OP's purpoted sarcasm then I think you'll agree that it was one of these things with an /s after it that isn't sarcasm.  Several other posters also missed the purpoted sarcasm, all the more evidence that it wasn't.

In my experience on this particular blog it is almost always folks that are new to the blog that are mislead when a long time poster is being sarcastic and fails to add the /s tag. To those that know the poster's position well, we get it but it is pretty hard to know that if new to the blog. So IMHO it is very important to add the /s tag as without it there is no way to know if, for example, I said 'Let's face it, Android phones are far better made than iPhones' and add no tag. I can guarantee all longtime readers would know I didn't mean it but on earth would someone new to the blog know that without going back and reading many of my posts?

In the cases of a newbie no one would know if they were being sarcastic or not without an /s tag.

So, I am left trying to imagine any situation where in writing on a blog, absent more information, it is possible to know true intent without a tag unless the post itself made it clear in some other way.

Now if something isn't sarcastic at all with an /s tag it comes down to what? Bad use of English, a poor sense of humor or simply reverse psychology?

A fascinating subject indeed ....

OK, enough of this ... I am off kayaking for the day now ...
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post #156 of 189
9/15/12 at 5:00am
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I actually like new iPhone a lot. I was never fond of "glass sandwich" design of previous two iPhones, so this new look is probably the best I could hope for.
Likewise the screen size. I have a habit of sending (and receiving) long txt messages, and previous screen size didn't left much space for viewing txt message when keyboard is open in SMS app.
Lighter is good, though not show stopper. Slimmer, I'm not 100% sure before I can hold one in my hand. I have long fingers and I like to have enough material to wrap them around. If phones continue becoming slimmer, at some point they will become uncomfortably slim for my hand. I don't know if that threshold is reached or not with iP5, thus I'll keep my judgement till I can handle one.
I'm expecting phones to receive speed up with new generation, so I'm not disappointed here either. I still use 3Gs and, not being heavy smartphone user (basically no games), speed is not my priority, but like I said, it is good to be there.
Camera and screen quality improvements, I'll wait for some trustworthy tests first. I hope improvements will be visible to naked eye, and in everyday scenarios.
New connector, nice. Old one always felt unnecessarily big for me.
iOS, I'd personally like updated UI... I like to play with new things. But I'm well aware that majority of users don't want to learn new OS every time they replace their phone, so I'm not surprised Apple is not changing what seems like winning formula for them.
But is it overall surpassing every other phone? It seems to me you have made your decision even before specs were known. Me, I'll wait for opportunity to try one. I'll also wait for some reliable reviews - it is given that Anandtech will have one, Anand being both iPhone and MBP user. I'll also wait for new Lumias and other WP8 devices to be available and check on them, too. Then I will decide if, for my needs, this phone surpasses others or not.

Regarding the conclusion of your post here, I already knew prior to their respective releases that Mountain Lion would be better than Windows 8 ... There are some things we can predict based upon experience. /grin
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post #157 of 189
9/15/12 at 6:57am
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And there are many time pieces built better than a Rolex.

 

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Not if you know about time pieces. Everyone knows Rolex because they advertise heavily but there are plenty of better built watches and some are even less expensive than a Rolex.

 

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I agree that iPhone is in a class of it's own, but Rolex is not, not even close!

 

 

OK, you guys apparently don't understand how an analogy works. I suppose it's the fault of educational systems. It's OK, you aren't alone, analogies seem to be a tough one for a lot of people. Here's how they work...

 

In this analogy, the iPhone 5 is compared to something people know and understand is well made and precisely crafted: a Rolex watch. Other phones are said to be like something cheaply made, mass produced, inferior in all respects: a Timex watch. It doesn't matter that there are better watches, nor that there are cheaper watches, the point is simply that there is a gulf of quality between them.

 

Maybe a chart will help you understand.

 

 

Rolex Quality Timex Quality
   
iPhone 5 Razor M
  Intuition
  One X
  Galaxy S III
 
Lumia 900  

 

 

See, there are only 2 columns, and each phone can only be in 1 of those 2 columns. There's not, in this analogy, some 3rd column that the iPhone didn't make it into, or some other mysterious columns that these other phones belong in. There are these two columns. The first, the "Rolex Quality" column, represents all the phones that have a build quality comparable to a Rolex. It doesn't matter that there are better watches, because no phones are said to be comparable to other, better watches. It doesn't matter that there are worse watches, because no phones are said to be comparable to other, more cheaply made watches. There are only two watches mentioned, and the rest are irrelevant to the comparison.

 

BTW, this should give a hint on how you might want to argue against the analogy. Better watches are irrelevant, unless you want to nudge the iPhone up to a higher pedestal, because there isn't a credible argument to be made that any other phone has even an equivalent build quality. However, you might argue that there are some that are more cheaply made than Timex watches (some have already argued this), or you might try to nudge your favorite phone up to some position between Timex and Rolex. Are you starting to understand how these analogies work?

 

Frankly, I think you've got a difficult argument to overcome this one. There is clearly a huge difference in the material and build quality of the iPhone 5 and the rest of the field. So, while you might be able to legitimately jockey for position down in the area around Timex, there isn't a valid argument to be made for any of these other phones that would push them up close to the Rolex level.

 

I hope this has been helpful and that you'll have an easier time understanding analogies in the future.

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post #158 of 189
9/15/12 at 7:24am
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The new iPhone is frankly underwhelming and if it is anything like my Rolex then Apple need to be worried.
Sorry but my next phone will be a S3

You quote verbatim my early sunrise mantra here.

Moreover, just to follow-up on my dawn incantation, ...and as a precursor to ethyl alcohol ablutions, I submit my burning desire for an iPhone to a generous flogging exercise, aimed carefully at what once steadfastly stood as a backbone...

...gotta whip 'em dusky desires you know...
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post #159 of 189
9/15/12 at 7:46am
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Do you want me to post a picture of all the apple products I own? ...

 

DaHarder? Is that you?

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post #160 of 189
9/15/12 at 7:53am
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OK, you guys apparently don't understand how an analogy works. I suppose it's the fault of educational systems. It's OK, you aren't alone, analogies seem to be a tough one for a lot of people. Here's how they work...

In this analogy, the iPhone 5 is compared to something people know and understand is well made and precisely crafted: a Rolex watch. Other phones are said to be like something cheaply made, mass produced, inferior in all respects: a Timex watch. It doesn't matter that there are better watches, nor that there are cheaper watches, the point is simply that there is a gulf of quality between them.

Maybe a chart will help you understand.


Rolex Quality Timex Quality
   
iPhone 5 Razor M
  Intuition
  One X
  Galaxy S III
 
Lumia 900  



See, there are only 2 columns, and each phone can only be in 1 of those 2 columns. There's not, in this analogy, some 3rd column that the iPhone didn't make it into, or some other mysterious columns that these other phones belong in. There are these two columns. The first, the "Rolex Quality" column, represents all the phones that have a build quality comparable to a Rolex. It doesn't matter that there are better watches, because no phones are said to be comparable to other, better watches. It doesn't matter that there are worse watches, because no phones are said to be comparable to other, more cheaply made watches. There are only two watches mentioned, and the rest are irrelevant to the comparison.

BTW, this should give a hint on how you might want to argue against the analogy. Better watches are irrelevant, unless you want to nudge the iPhone up to a higher pedestal, because there isn't a credible argument to be made that any other phone has even an equivalent build quality. However, you might argue that there are some that are more cheaply made than Timex watches (some have already argued this), or you might try to nudge your favorite phone up to some position between Timex and Rolex. Are you starting to understand how these analogies work?

Frankly, I think you've got a difficult argument to overcome this one. There is clearly a huge difference in the material and build quality of the iPhone 5 and the rest of the field. So, while you might be able to legitimately jockey for position down in the area around Timex, there isn't a valid argument to be made for any of these other phones that would push them up close to the Rolex level.

I hope this has been helpful and that you'll have an easier time understanding analogies in the future.

Of course (pedantic, smart-ass comments aside). You did leave out one important remark though. What matters in this type of analogy is the consumer's PERCEPTION of quality, not the actual quality. Even if Rolex watches were total crap, if the average consumer perceives them of being high quality, then the analogy still works.

However, I still think they could have chosen a better example than Rolex. To me, Rolex symbolizes overpriced, glitzy watches that are more about show than quality. The glitter and diamonds and massive gold bands alone make it unrepresentative of Apple's products. A better example would have been Movado (which focuses on minimalist design) but still represents a quality image.

While the analogy works with Rolex, it also creates undesirable side-images (more show than substance) which detracts from the analogy.
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