Apple 'completely blown away' by iPhone 5 demand - Page 3

@muppetry

I'd expected to see a lot of people trading experiences regarding their attempts at ordering, to gauge where in the que they'd ended up.

Instead it was this crap.

I guess if you expect anything from the masses you'll be disappointed, but it seems more engaging to share an interest in a product rather than sharing a hatred for imagined detractors of that product. Guess I'm just not as good at "pretend time."

Believe it or not, there are totally normal people that really like Apple products without getting their self-esteem all rapped up in it. Crazy, right?

This is how I see it, the success of the first iPhone was built on the success of the iPod and iTunes. Even though it had its limitations it was head and shoulders above the feature phones at the time and the web browsing was much better than the smartphones out. People needn't carry 2 or more devices anymore. Although it might seem like the iPhone was a overnight success the groundwork for that success was laid out long ago. I really don't see any current manufacturer being able to duplicate that.
In defense of Android the UI has gotten considerably better. Lag is minimal on the newer devices that run 4.x.x. The rumors I've heard is that Google may abandon Android and release a Chrome mobile OS. Could be the reason they purchased MM was to build a device optimized for the OS and maybe then have a device that really compete with the iPhone. Only time will tell but the longer they wait the more people will be entrenched into the Apple ecosystem and less likely to ever switch regardless of how great a device is.

Original iPhone, iPhone 4, iPad 2, 11" Macbook Air, (pre-ordered) iPhone 5.

I don't care much what Android users do, as I'm not one. All I'm saying is it gets embarrassing after a while, seeing all the insanity on Apple forums. Makes you wonder what you're a part of, and whether or not you should be.

 

There are other threads here with those kind of discussions. No need to get so worked up over this one. Don't forget that there have been plenty of troll-infested threads, including the main release announcement thread, so maybe try to cut people some slack, even though this one has been full of pre-emptive strikes.

@ Muppetry

I'll take that into consideration.

How does it feel to be #1?

Reading the newspapers and listening to the TV you'd think we'd all be up in arms over the change of the connector in the iPhone. Just because Apple won't be using the old connector in new products doesn't mean they are stopping sales of all the other existing products; be they iPods, iPad 2s, and iPhone 4 and 4S. I expect the old 30 pin connector to be on iDevices for at least two more years.

Doesn't Apple's fiscal year end on Sep 30? Oct 1 is a new year.

Apple has a remarkable history of taking things they excel at and making a completely revolutionary product form those existing parts that no one else had conceived of and/or was able to actually do without following Apple's lead. The iPhone is the keystone example of this.

I would add to your statement and say that it wasn't just the iPod history of making small, portable devices, but also vision and ability to make Mac OS functional on a device with a 412MHz ARM11 (ARMv6) CPU. This was such an impressive feat that 1) RiM didn't believe the OS was that smooth and fast, and 2) that many of the core designs for the iPhone's OS made it's way back into Mac OS.

Google hasn't been a slouch in it's progression but it's still not as good as iOS even when on HW that has higher performance. I say "progression" because it has dramatically improved but it very, very bad out of the gate with each change promising they'll make it even better soon.

I thought I read a rumour they were abandoning Chrome OS for Android on the desktop. I certainly could be flipping those two. I know plenty of people on this forum are against Chrome OS but it's no different than any other OS that uses webcode for the UI and Linux as a backend. WebOS was pretty good and HTML5 was still not complete or refined. I think it has a lot of potential to unseat Windows on the low end if Google plays it right.


PS: Does Android 4.x yet have systemwide cut/copy/paste the way iOS has had it since they introduced it? Last time i used Android there were areas I couldn't get to select text.

The invention of the /s tag is proof again that Yanks are hopeless at detecting irony. [sarcasm - the use of irony to mock or convey contempt]

I realized I left out mentioning the iPhone OS, that was another great feat that made the iPhone successful and still does.

The cut/copy/paste is one of weak points of Android. I actually think they made it worse.

1) Your bigoted comments are neither necessary nor accurate.

2) In a simplified text medium where you tend not to know the author tone is considerably harder to detect. You, as a person, could be better at it than others but it has nothing to do with your nationalistic or bigoted views about the world. I've traveled around the world and people everywhere are intelligent, funny, clever, stupid, foolish, and ignorant. No nation, no culture, no "race" is any less mentally capable than the other.

Yeah Dick, iPhone user since early 2008, but I'm a HUGE Android fan, just on here to stir up trouble.

/s (for the Americans)

 

Ah, so an admission of trolling? Well, we can't have that. Off to the salt mines with you.

… See how useful a sarcasm tag would have been there? How interesting that you can't tell my intent without it… 

I'm gonna take a stab and guess around 10-15% of those sales are for re-sale. People buying the iPhone at launch and selling the device during Christmas at a marked up price. It's a great business. Once I bought an Xbox 360 and held it until the holidays and sold it to someone for $1,200.

 

If Samsung goes through with the lawsuit of the iPhone 5, and they end up getting a ban (unlikely given their track record), the LTE iPhone 5 will be GOLD!

The Brits see in all shades of gray, as well as having a Super-American sense for sarcasm.

Truth be told, I've seen Top Gear, and it makes me doubt there's an Epicurean Garden on that foggy little rock.

Well, let's see.

 

The iPhone 5 launched on my phone network as a preorder for upgrading customers at 5:01pm AEST.

 

At 5:01 I started calling, the call centre was unable to handle the influx with "something has gone wrong", all lines are busy, try again later" etc errors, it took 20 or so attempts before I got put on hold for another hour and a half, finally I got to speak to someone and my 64GB Black is ordered.

 

I am sure my story matches the story of millions of others, across all the outlets around the world involved in the first tranche of preorders.

 

I am really looking forward to seeing how good this phone looks in the hand, from what I've heard the pictures don't really do it justice.

I have noted the "I don't like the design" comments, but I think people are more inclined to dislike "different" at first glance. I've always liked the glass sandwich look, but being able to skip the case... if you're feeling daring... is a welcome prospect.

I half-wonder if Apple didn't drop the bumpers to send the message that the case isn't necessary for this phone, like it was for 4 and 4S.

I think it looks up to par even in the pictures, but I agree, not least of what I'm excited for is the in-person experience of the aesthetics.

In regard to the pre-order, I had to be up early today, so I gave it a half hour of trying and decided to do it first thing in the morning when I couldn't get through. Now I've got an Oct 5 delivery date and regret not staying up all night.

Clearly Apple only made two or three hundred for the first run so they could pretend the launch was a success by virtue of the shipping estimates.

 

Don't knock the salt mines. It's a career, well the hours are a little rough, but the benefits are cozy, plus we get to wear kilts every other Sunday. Plus, if you are killed in an accident, in lieu of insurance payout, they sell your body to science and send a bouquet to your loved ones.

Sounds awesome!

I've got a bit of time to kill before I go stand in line for an iPhone. Is there a line I need to join to get a job in the mines?
Edited by GTR - 9/15/12 at 3:04am

If history is correct, just walk into an Apple store on launch day.

 

LIke this?

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57404273-71/woman-breaks-nose-on-apple-store-sues-for-$1m/

 

I jest about the queuing. Tried it once. Didn't like it.

 

Prefer to play 'track the courier' instead.

 

😄

Thank you. I was fighting the urge to post the very same response. It irritates me to no end. Almost as bad as "go ahead and."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw

 

 

Probably, yes. But I also think that the physical contact with an Apple device contributes to its mysterious addictive nature, and is therefore essential (term not pejorative, for me ...)

Interesting little tirade you posted there. It displayed more about your own behavior patterns and even less that of others.

I'd also love to direct you to the 'Rodent' just a few posts from the article. Must have missed that during your information sweep of the first "60+"...

LOL. 

The people affected can buy a new cable or new adapter. When I upgrade, I'll have to buy 2 new cables. It's just not that big a deal, but you should certainly consider it when evaluating the upgrade.

And your comment is proof again that brits don't have any idea of the proper use of the English language (linguists agree that American English is much closer to 16th Century English than the bastardized English you use - and that's not even considering the absolute castration of the language in New Castle).

Context is important. If you read these threads, it is quite common for someone to sarcastically post a comment of what they expect the other side to say. If you know the poster, you know that they're being sarcastic, but not everyone knows all the regulars - and first time posters don't have any history to fall back on. The use of some tag to show sarcasm is necessary in written language.

It is extremely unlikely that Samsung will get a ban. Even with some slight chance of it, I don't believe that the number being purchased for resale is anywhere near 10-15%. You do see a few of them on eBay for $1200 or so, but not that many. And anyone expecting to get a much higher price by Christmas is kidding themselves. Apple will be able to meet demand (or, at least, come very close to it) by Christmas, so you'll be able to walk into a store and pay list price by then. Prices on eBay will actually be BELOW list price by Christmas.

Yes, it's crazy that you come to a forum where Apple fans congregate and criticize them for being Apple fans.

More importantly, you're completely ignoring context. There's very little in this (or any thread) that hasn't been repeated 1,000 times in other threads. When you see a sarcastic comment in this thread, it is an indication that the trolls keep making the same silly comments over and over and over in every thread they contaminate. The fact that they haven't yet entered this thread doesn't change that.

 

Trolls tend to be blind to other trolls' trolling unless their context would benefit from quoting, thumbing up, and or other corroboration. 

I am sure Foxconn could arrange it for you!

 

Just making a bad joke...... everybody relax.......

 

Quite true about the historical development of English, although being able to detect irony and proper use of language are not quite the same thing, with neither being a prerequisite for the other.

 

More interesting is the assumption that fidelity to old English is good. If American science were more like 16th Century English science, would that be good or bad? And Geordie (I assume you meant Newcastle) is no more unintelligible than some regional US dialects.

No lines. No wait. Not even a sign up sheet.

That gets my vote for silly comparison of the week.

 

Thank you. I agree the analogy is imperfect, but it makes the point, and the question regarding the assumption still stands.

I am still not impressed. First, because it's underwhelming in my view from a hardware standpoint. No increase in storage capacity. No water resistance. No push for a bigger display (4.3 inch with the same resolution and still keeping it at above 300ppi for the Retina claims would have been more legible and more finger-friendly than what they chose). Not enough battery life (apparently shaving off two millimeters instead of one is more important than adding four hours of battery life). Second because iOS still is lacking with notifications and customizability compared to Android. And third (though Android is guilty of this too), because it is so obviously overpriced. It costs less than $200 to manufacture a smartphone. But the hysteria is still so great, and the manufacturer-driven, phone company-supported BS about "subsidies" so effective, on both the Apple and Android side of the coin, that people will effectively pay, not the typical 40 percent markup on electronics ($300 to $350 after allowing for shipping and marketing costs), but $550 to $700 for an Android and $650 to $850 for an iPhone.

I look forward to the day when commodity pricing takes hold and the hysteria and me-too faddism of smartphones abate.

It doesn't slice and dice, either. Nor will it wax your car or cook your dinner.

The answer is simple. If you don't want one, don't buy one. Apple has offered what they think is the best balance of technology and cost available at this time. If a different phone meets your needs better, then buy it. But stop pretending that you know more about mobile phone development than Apple.

Your entire view of the iPhone is wrong. You think the goal should be to keep it at 300 PPI or more pixels regardless of how that affects the apps, how it affects the production of displays they have no experience with, how that would affect the users and devs by decreasing the PPI, increasing the size of elements and making the device less usable by going with some display size value that you've deemed Apple should use because many Android-based devices are using it.

You also have absolutely no idea how much it costs to manufacturer a smartphone and yet you claim they all cost less than $200. To even make such a claim shows that you don't have a clue how any of the process works. Did you even consider any of the investment costs that went into this? Did you not see Apple has 725 distinct glass pieces to make sure you get the best fit and finish when placed around the camera components? How much do you think it cost to create, test and perfect that setup? Nothing, obviously, because you're only considering a cost from iSuppli without any consideration for anything other than some sourced HW.

 

Sounds like an MS or Sammy Store.

 

 

When you are in such a business, you have to have a long term roadmap, whereby you plan in advance (with reasonable assumptions concerning technological advances) what improvements you will include in your product in every year release (in the Apple model). The basic principle is of course that you should not give everything at once.

 

While I agree with you that Apple could probably have easily implemented water resistance (I am waiting for the demo where they will drop the iPhone into water ...), it is not true to pretend that the model presented is not a significant improvement on many points, and the proof will be given by the sales figures ... justifying the whole strategy ... as usual ....

That's happened before. I could have ordered it for 2 weeks and had a decent chance it would have shown up on the 21st or at least under 2 weeks. I opted to buy it in store since my store isn't usually swamped. I hope I made the right decision because that positional good is going to kill me.