Samsung takes aim at iPhone 5 in new print ad - Page 5

Do you mean "cool stuff" like stealing technology from Kodak, Sharp, Pioneer, etc. or  do you mean licensing ARM (England) chip designs and throwing together them in an ugly plastic enclosure with early versions of Windows? Now they do it with newer software they didn't code either and slap it together in an ugly plastic thing called a Galaxy. I guess innovation never was their strong point.

 

The worst phone I EVER owned was a Samsung. The battery would not even last a day within 6 months of purchase. I guess that is why they need the replaceable battery feature. If Samsung was not copying Apple designs, they would be... well, still copying RIM.

 

You just watch, Samsung will be trying to copy the new connector soon as they realize the USB connectors make their device thicker and heaver. Just a matter of time. The connector that does not require a specific orientation  is an improvement. You can keep your USB connectors, slower and harder to use.

If Samsung invented something, it would be competition. They are just attempting to clone the iPhone, that is not competition.

 

I purchased a 3GS in 2009, it came with iOS 3.  It will be upgraded to iOS 6 next week.

 

I purchased an Archos 48 media player in 2011.  It came with Android 1.4.  It can't be officially upgraded beyond 1.6.  There are numerous apps which can't be installed, notably Skype and Google Drive.

 

I purchased a Samsung Galaxy Y April this year.  It can't be officially upgraded beyond Android 2.3 (Not that it bothers me anymore, the model I purchased and its replacement were returned as they each went onto endless reboots.  What's the point of a phone you can't use).

I swapped for the Sony Xperia tipi which with Android 4.0.3 is so far so good.

 

But my main phone will remain an iPhone.

 

It is deceptive to be promoting all the wonderful things about Android, talking about how the handsets are cheaper when the consumer can buy brand new Android handsets with the old limited versions of Android.

 

The consumer who buys a new iPhone today gets the current iOS.  With Android it's very much let the consumer beware, as jfanning illustrates by chastising someone who purchased a new handset with Android 2.2.  The consumer has to be knowledgable about which phone comes with what version of Android and whether it can be upgraded or not.  Extra time and harassment for the knowledgable purchaser.

Future disappointment and confusion for those not in the know when an app doesn't work on their brand new 2.3 handset but works on a friend's year old device with 4.0.

 

 

Yeah, but they certainly do have a lot of it.

 

I'm surprised they didn't mention.

 

"But we have widgets and animations and we support Flash"

Update what?  My friend's S III STILL doesn't have 4.1.  No matter how much she shakes it, the damn thing won't update the OS from 4.0.4 to 4.1.

 

Did Samsung figure out a way to fix bugs by updating the OS by shaking it?  I remember when we had CRT TVs and when you didn't get good reception, we would bang on the TV set and that would sometimes fix it.  I think they using the same concept, only shaking it.

 

I wonder if hitting the thing with a hammer is going to increase the processor speed.  LOL.

What's funny is Google doesn't have to field all of the support calls when the user shakes their S III and thing won't update.

 

Google was smart.  Hey lets put out a crappy OS, let anyone use it for free and let someone else handle the support issues. These hardware mfg will buy into that business model.

 

Hey, we'll let the Community to handle all of the support issues.

I was actually surprised to see the screen resolution was less than the Samsung. But then I went online to discover that Apple's choice was specifically to support smoother scaling, which is far more important than displaying 1:1 pixel mapped 1080p. However, even though Samsung's screen is larger, with greater resolution, doesn't that mean that they have something similar to a retina display? If so, then it's kind of misleading advertising (well misleading either way), but either way it's kind of a wash.

It's 306 PPI with the specs given, but remember that it's PenTile. That means it's pixels are RG BG instead of RGB RGB which means there are 33% less sub pixels because they are only using 2 per pixel instead of the standard 3 sub pixels.

Not only does that mean the quality of the image isn't as good for a given resolution it means that each sub pixel on the S3 is significantly larger for a given resolution with PenTile. It's a clever solution to reduce power usage but it doesn't result in a great image. It's surprising that Samsung, in 2012, would push this type of display in their flagship device.

It's technically a Retina Display when you factor in the distance you'd hold it from your eyes and factor in the pixel density, but that does not mean it's a good display. Take the 4th gen iPod Touch. It had the same resolution and PPI display as the iPhone 4, however, it was still a TN panel, not IPS, which made it far inferior to the iPhone 4 display*.



* It appears the new iPod Touch will be getting the exact same display as the iPhone this time around.

It doesn't take a genius to see that Samsung brazenly ripped off Apple designs and Apple technology in order to maintain market share and a competitive edge that would unjustly carry the company forward to the position of market strength it enjoys today. Instead of public insults, Samsung owes Apple a huge debt of gratitude and hopefully has earned itself a gigantic smack down well in excess of $1B in punitive damages alone.

Edited by Cpsro - 9/16/12 at 1:57pm

Samsung AMOLED(+) displays are also vibrant but exhibit poor color accuracy. For instance, people often look sunburned. There is a reason Samsung (and other AMOLED vendor) ads typically show computer generated imagery and avoid showing skin.

So you're arguing that the OS is irrelevant and all the OS improvements that you Android shills brag about are meaningless?

You can't have it both ways. Please choose one and stop talking out of both sides of your mouth:
1. The fact that Android OS upgrades are rare is a serious problem that limits Android users' capabilities after they purchase a phone.
or
2. All the Android OS upgrades are irrelevant and don't do anything for the end user.

So which is it?


The fact is that with iOS, you get upgrades for years. With Android phones, it is likely that you'll NEVER get upgrades and if you do, it will be only for a very short time.

Agreed. And just to add to that as well...

 

In marketing 101:  White=Good Guy, Black=Bad Guy

 

I would also say that based on the "faked" glass reflection, this is more than likely a Photoshop mockup of the iPhone 5.

 

Poor execution...poor taste...poor Samsung. Pack up and go home with your tail between your legs.

And that Galaxy Dock will keep on working right? What do you mean:"no one makes Samsung phone docks."
Oh right.

No it wasn't, the original iPods (still within the 10 years he claimed) had firewire only charging, the other end of the plug was a firewire port, that isn't the same as USB

Well apart from the fact that most of the ios 6 features will be missing from the 3GS, but hey, if you are happy with the change in the about screen, then that is all that matters.

Media player? Aren't we talking about cellphones?

I will ask you this time, what applications have you been unable to install because you are only on Android 2.3? Then maybe you can list all the core applications that Google has updated adhoc in that time, when Apple would have required a full OS upgrade to perform the same?

Good for you

Again, how is this limiting the consumer? I'm yet to hear anyone list any applications that people with 2.3 phones are missing


I didn't chastise anyone. With all purchases the consumer should be aware of what they are purchasing, if they are mislead by the person selling that is when the consumer protection laws come in. If you purchase a 2.2 based phone today it is no different than if you were to purchase a 3GS today.

Again, name this Application

No, I am saying you shouldn't need a full OS update to get a new version of mail.

Please list these serious problems. You make a tonne of claims, but never produce any evidence to back it up. By you logic I should be taking back my iPod classic as I have never had an OS update for it.

I have never said this, but don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

Again, please back these update with some evidence. How many of this OS upgrades from Apple have just been to update core Applications?

I'm not even going to make my comment because it would probably be deleted due to extreme profanity and over-extreme insulting.

If you study the patents you knew this chip was going to be custom overall. I even mentioned the memory controller designs coming that don't match ARM designs.

Practically every iOS update has included security updates, and these updates have been made available simultaneously across all iOS devices going back years. Combine this with Apple's walled garden for apps and you've got a far more secure solution than Google and its conspirators in intellectual property theft provide.

Of course not. But that's not the issue.

Let's see - lack of security updates. Lack of updates to fix serious bugs in the OS (or are you going to pretend that no Android version has ever had a serious bug?). Lack of new features (so, once again, are you pretending that no Android OS upgrade adds new features or not?).

I don't know - nor is it relevant. The fact is that Apple offers updates for every iOS device for years while many Android devices will NEVER have an OS update available.

So, once again, please choose your argument. Which is it?
1. Android OS upgrades are useless and don't have any value for the average user.
or
2. The lack of availability of Android upgrades is a serious problem for the user.

Which is it?


It's really amazing that you would even try to argue this point. It's a serious problem with Android and even Android advocates acknowledge it. Why can't you?

Other than, of course, the entire point of this discussion.

The 3GS will be upgradeable to iOS 6. That means you get all the upgraded apps, all the security fixes, and most of the new features (all the ones the old hardware can handle).

With Android, you get none of that. And, many current apps won't even run on the older versions of Android.

Oh, don't pay us any attention while you tweak your Andud device for the umpteen millionth time. We're just anticipating the next shoe to fall, be it Apple's severance of all business ties with Samsung, another legal victory for Apple, another loss for Samsung or Google, a drop-dead damages award, etc. All well-deserved outcomes for Samsung.

Yeah, we have to get over Samsung posting a blatantly false and misleading ad while you have to get over the fact that you're defending a convicted criminal organization.

Sounds reasonable.

I flagged you for what you were thinking.

Speaking of mindless Android shills, I notice that Googleguy hasn't made it back after Samsung got hammered by the CA court. or is he one of the new trolls with a different name?

 

Well, his sneering insults are less annoying than the shrill whining he had been engaged in lately, so, at least there's that to his latest post.

 He popped his head in once or twice, but everyone ignored him, naturally

Here is my take on this Samsung iPhone 5 bashing ad:\

You are misinterpreting the issue. It's about using shady tactics to use technical true but false claims. Those same people — except maybe a couple from this forum — would also be the first to point out where they think Apple is in the wrong or making missteps. Just read the recent headphone or skeumorphism threads to see those pro-Apple AI regulars talking about the aspects of Apple's products they clearly don't like.

Go ahead, just make sure after you post that you click the red flag and report yourself. That should balance things out.

It doesn't take a genius to know that within the next few days, maybe even tomorrow, Apple will most likely be announcing the insane number of pre-orders they received for the iPhone 5.

 

It also doesn't take a genius to recognize that Android is complete crap and no amount of desperate, poorly made ads will ever change that.

 

My phone runs gingerbread, and I have only ever found one app that I might have used that  it won't run, and that's an alternate browser.  Buy the phone (or any bit of gear) for what it does when you buy it, not for what it may or may not do in the future.

Yipes - was in a Radio Shack earlier today - did not look what phone it was - but some 4.5" or whatever screen - picked the thing up - and thought sweet zombie jesus - no way in the world I could operate that thing with just one hand.

A very simple solution to making the screen appear to be larger - move it close to your eyes.

Seriously though - I have something like 20 million pixels on my desk so I do understand how more screen area, provided it has good resolution, can be put to good use - I just don't see how that device would be easy to carry around all day every day.

So because Apple says they prefer their width, this is the correct size for a phone?  Who says?

 

You speak without facts but just from a Fanboy perspective.

Unlike you, I don't pretend. The big thing is, how many people are effected by this, it is no where near as high as you try to make out.


Why should I choose between two extreme statements you are making? I have never said the lack of upgrades was not an issue, I said that it isn't as big an issue that you try to make out

So basically, the mlilions of Android users aren't as smart as you to recognize they are using a crappy product.  Nice.

No all, and not most. And again, please list these "many current apps" that won't even run on gingerbread?

Excellent, one app.

nope, that isn't what I said, stop trying to put words into my mouth.

Well I suppose there would be a number of reasons. But it is the OEM/network that controls the updates to phones, not Google

No, I am not saying that.

I don't know sorry, haven't talked to a salesperson about phones for years. But the shops I have been into have the Android version listed on signs.

Why would you want to upgrade a 2.2 phone, to the tablet only Android 3? The upgrade path for phones is from 2.x to 4.x, you bypass 3 altogether.

As for the 3GS, it is missing so many of the iOS 6 features they should have called it 5.9, after all, according to the Apple iOS 6 page the 3GS is missing from a lot of the features list.