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Samsung has lost all credibility!

Shameless Samsung, I thought they lost the copycat war and are set to pay damages to Apple. I also thought Samsung lost to Apple again through another judge who ruled that Apple did not infringe on their patents.
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Nice Rebuttal! lol.gif

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So basically, the mlilions of Android users aren't as smart as you to recognize they are using a crappy product.  Nice.

 

Do you… really think that Windows is good simply because people are forced use it?

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post #204 of 262
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Except none of Samsung's "extras" actually matter. 

Where the rubber meets the road:

Apple has consistenly topped rankings of this kind since the first or second year into the iPhone's release. 

EDIT: Correction, *first* year.

No wonder Apple commands over 30% of the US market, with at most 2-3 phones, *all under the same roof.* NO OEMs, NO UNIVERSAL-LICENSING. 

I won't even mention satisfaction rates for iPads, iPods and Macs. It's all the same story across the board. For years now. 

That is cute and I commend you for your enthusiasm... but most if not all of those surveys seem to be comparing Apple (with one high-end smartphone a year) with likes of Nokia, Samsung... producing also bunch of old-school (like Nokia E series) and cheap (like Samsung Galaxy Mini and likes)... so it is pretty much pointless.

I'd gladly read surveys comparing specific models. It would paint a bit different picture. iPhone might still end up on top, but difference in satisfaction would be nowhere that big. It is not really that hard to find surveys showing some different trends:

http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-found-once-again-to-have-higher-customer-satisfaction-rates-than-ios-android/
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I'd gladly read surveys comparing specific models. It would paint a bit different picture. iPhone might still end up on top, but difference in satisfaction would be nowhere that big.

Then feel free to provide them. Until then, the only data we have says that iOS is miles ahead of Android.

'd gladly read surveys comparing specific models. It would paint a bit different picture. iPhone might still end up on top, but difference in It is not really that hard to find surveys showing some different trends:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-found-once-again-to-have-higher-customer-satisfaction-rates-than-ios-android/[/quote]

Let's see. Questionable results that differ from the results of every other organization and which were derived by some questionable methodology that has never been reported?

No thanks, I'll go by all the other published reports that are confirmed by hundreds of reviews which show iOS to be superior.
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No all, and not most. And again, please list these "many current apps" that won't even run on gingerbread?

It doesn't matter. If there are any, then lack of upgrades is a problem for Android. Not to mention the lack of security patches and bug fixes.
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Why should I choose between two extreme statements you are making? I have never said the lack of upgrades was not an issue, I said that it isn't as big an issue that you try to make out

Actually, you did say it was an issue. You said that someone stuck with an Android phone running 2.2 was in the same boat as a 3GS owner. You keep saying that users don't lose anything if they can't upgrade Android. It's obvious to everyone who isn't a paid Android shill that you're wrong.

Oh, and btw, even Android fan sites agree that the upgrade mess on Android is a nightmare:
http://www.androidcentral.com/why-you-ll-never-have-latest-version-android
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post #206 of 262

The alleged superiority of Android due to additional features is so infinitesimally small that the average user would not even know or care. iPhone users do not switch to Android unless they were really just Apple haters to begin with who wanted to secretly try out iOS. Android shills have not ever convinced any authentic iPhone user to switch to Android. The inverse is that many, many Android users have switched to iPhone without any outside persuasion whatsoever, they just recognized the superiority of iOS and switched on their own.

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post #207 of 262
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Yeah, we have to get over Samsung posting a blatantly false and misleading ad while you have to get over the fact that you're defending a convicted criminal organization.
Sounds reasonable.

false? not really...misleading? yes.

Also..please learn to read...I do not defend Samsung...look beyond your fanboism.
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false? not really...misleading? yes.

Yes, it is false. They claim that the SIII has a quad core processor and 2 GB of RAM. Those features are not available on the same phones. Some have quad core and some have 2 GB of RAM. None have both.

Furthermore, their own web site says that the talk time is 8 hours, not the 22 hours claimed in the ad.

Finally, it is incorrect to use Apple's trademarks without attribution.
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You are misinterpreting the issue. It's about using shady tactics to use technical true but false claims. Those same people — except maybe a couple from this forum — would also be the first to point out where they think Apple is in the wrong or making missteps. Just read the recent headphone or skeumorphism threads to see those pro-Apple AI regulars talking about the aspects of Apple's products they clearly don't like.

And they are pounced on by the cultists as being iHaters or whatever clever term.
post #210 of 262
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So basically, the mlilions of Android users aren't as smart as you to recognize they are using a crappy product.  Nice.

I wouldn't go as far as him to say that they're not smart (although I am sure that must be true in some cases), but I see only really two possibilities: one, they can't afford the iPhone and its plans, or two, the iPhone is not available on their network (e.g., as with TMobile or China Mobile).
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And they are pounced on by the cultists as being iHaters or whatever clever term.

 

Speaking of cultists and pouncing, remind us again why you spend so much time on this site? Oh, that's right... what's the word... oh, yes, hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

Oh, don't pay us any attention while you tweak your Andud device for the umpteen millionth time. We're just anticipating the next shoe to fall, be it Apple's severance of all business ties with Samsung, another legal victory for Apple, another loss for Samsung or Google, a drop-dead damages award, etc. All well-deserved outcomes for Samsung.

I don't think the future you long for is the future that'll come to pass.
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I flagged you for what you were thinking.

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Speaking of mindless Android shills, I notice that Googleguy hasn't made it back after Samsung got hammered by the CA court. or is he one of the new trolls with a different name?

He's been the most reasonable and fact backed non Apple drooling at the mouth fanatic on this site, you just don't like him because he can disagree with you and back it up. You rely on exaggerations and downright lies or purposeful ignorance to convey whatever points you think you make...you'd be a good politician, he'd be a great debater.
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Well, his sneering insults are less annoying than the shrill whining he had been engaged in lately, so, at least there's that to his latest post.

enjoy your yesmanisms.
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[" url="/t/152618/samsung-takes-aim-at-iphone-5-in-new-print-ad/160#post_2191051"]It doesn't take a genius to know that within the next few days, maybe even tomorrow, Apple will most likely be announcing the insane number of pre-orders they received for the iPhone 5.

It also doesn't take a genius to recognize that Android is complete crap and no amount of desperate, poorly made ads will ever change that.

Without Android competing with Apple I have a feeling your probably worthless life would probably be even more worthless than it already is...Android probably gives you purpose...you have something to hate while you're probably kicking starving babies for not getting a job.

note: added the probablys to avoid having made a direct inflammatory statement.
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So basically, the mlilions of Android users aren't as smart as you to recognize they are using a crappy product.  Nice.

Apple ]['s life is validated by two things...the device in his pocket, and the operating system he hates...pay him no mind.
post #213 of 262
Love it 18 adapters lol
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I wouldn't go as far as him to say that they're not smart (although I am sure that must be true in some cases), but I see only really two possibilities: one, they can't afford the iPhone and its plans, or two, the iPhone is not available on their network (e.g., as with TMobile or China Mobile).

or they prefer it...

sorry to burst your bubble but people can and DO like things you do not.
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

false? not really...misleading? yes.
Also..please learn to read...I do not defend Samsung...look beyond your fanboism.

What will take to get you and your bs to go away!?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post
What will take to get you and your bs to go away!?


There's a guy who as of today is on his 12th account. He's one of only three 'ban on sight' users. Crazy, the lot of them. lol.gif

 

Point is, ban 'em once and they're… what's the word… enough to come back.

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post #217 of 262
apple can counter this ad with one of their own:

"samsung galaxy didn't sell out in an hour."
post #218 of 262

'it doesn't take a genius'... to workout which one will sell the most & have the highest satisfaction rating as usual. ;)

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You mean the 20 people that have them enjoy them? They'd *better* enjoy them, seeing as how they knowingly bought into a platform that is circling the drain.

 

LOL you found the *one* shady report that actually supports Windows Phone. Lame.  This thing popped up a few months back, and it seems as anomalous today as it did then.

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I don't think the future you long for is the future that'll come to pass.

Not what I long for. I don't even have a stake in this. It's the future Samsung has been working toward, and they're reaping it.

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You mean the 20 people that have them enjoy them? They'd *better* enjoy them, seeing as how they knowingly bought into a platform that is circling the drain.

LOL you found the *one* shady report that actually supports Windows Phone. Lame.  This thing popped up a few months back, and it seems as anomalous today as it did then.

And most of your links are pointing to same source, J.D. Power Rankings. LOL back at you.

Regardless. Nokia and Android brands user satisfaction results are diluted with cheap and old tech they are offering alongside with their top offerings. I'm finding such charts pointless. Especially when you offer them as counter-argument to a specific Samsung's S3 vs. specific iP5 add. Which, I'm not disagreeing, is also lame way to advertise.
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Then feel free to provide them. Until then, the only data we have says that iOS is miles ahead of Android.

If that is the way you want to see it, I don't mind. But this forum topic is about Samsung trying to outcompare one specific model with one specific Apple's model. Trying to involve all the other Android handsets into the argument is pointless, IMHO.
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Don't you have some adapters to be ordering? lol.gif

Don't you have some adapters, connector and earphone to be copy?

post #224 of 262
The iPhone 5 is not available to the public at the time the ad was run, so...safe to say that's not a real iPhone 5 being depicted, so...safe to say false advertising by Samsung.
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What the hell was that? That's really in the wrong thread!

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Excellent, one app.

You asked me to name one application that worked on 4 but not on Android 2.3, so I did.

 

Originally Posted by ChiA View Post
Your stance implies that there's no advantage in upgrading the Android OS

 

nope, that isn't what I said, stop trying to put words into my mouth.
Well I suppose there would be a number of reasons. But it is the OEM/network that controls the updates to phones, not Google

Okay, let's look from another angle.

What incentive is there to upgrade a handset from 2.3 to 4.0 when it can run all the apps anyway?

OEMs and networks demonstrate a lack of concern about the users's experience when they don't support or provide an official upgrade to the latest Android with new features, bug and security fixes.


Why would you want to upgrade a 2.2 phone, to the tablet only Android 3? The upgrade path for phones is from 2.x to 4.x, you bypass 3 altogether.
 

 

My mistake, I was careless with my Android versioning.  However I do recall Samsung used a non tablet OS for its first Galaxy Tab against Google's recommendation.

 

As for the 3GS, it is missing so many of the iOS 6 features they should have called it 5.9, after all

 

By that rationale Windows 7 on a PC with no webcam, touch screen or internet access should not be called Windows 7 but Windows 6.5.

 

In any case operating system numbering is arbitrary and subjective, an OS version isn't defined solely by the features offered, but by the extent of change made to the OS's code.  It is possible to have a totally different OS offer the same features, the different Linux distros are an excellent example.

 
 
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post
I wouldn't go as far as him to say that they're not smart (although I am sure that must be true in some cases), but I see only really two possibilities: one, they can't afford the iPhone and its plans, or two, the iPhone is not available on their network.

 

Originally Posted by mstone View Post
The alleged superiority of Android due to additional features is so infinitesimally small that the average user would not even know or care. iPhone users do not switch to Android unless they were really just Apple haters to begin with who wanted to secretly try out iOS. Android shills have not ever convinced any authentic iPhone user to switch to Android. The inverse is that many, many Android users have switched to iPhone without any outside persuasion whatsoever, they just recognized the superiority of iOS and switched on their own.

 

Well I do know of two people who have switched from iPhone to Samsung Android Galaxy phones who each said, "it's the same as an iPhone but cheaper".  I shall be observing their experience as time progresses.

 
 
 
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There's a guy who as of today is on his 12th account. He's one of only three 'ban on sight' users. Crazy, the lot of them. lol.gif

Point is, ban 'em once and they're… what's the word… enough to come back.

edited to avoid insulting a child.
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Not what I long for. I don't even have a stake in this. It's the future Samsung has been working toward, and they're reaping it.

in that case I agree...Samsung sucks.
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It doesn't matter. If there are any, then lack of upgrades is a problem for Android. Not to mention the lack of security patches and bug fixes.

So you can't even list the one app that others have listed? Wow, if are you willing to try and make an arguement, at least try to have some evidence to back yourself up.

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Actually, you did say it was an issue. You said that someone stuck with an Android phone running 2.2 was in the same boat as a 3GS owner. You keep saying that users don't lose anything if they can't upgrade Android. It's obvious to everyone who isn't a paid Android shill that you're wrong.
Oh, and btw, even Android fan sites agree that the upgrade mess on Android is a nightmare:
http://www.androidcentral.com/why-you-ll-never-have-latest-version-android

That's right, I did say that. 2.2 was released in 2010, it is old, and is only sold on low level phones, people purchasing them are not expecting a top level device, if they are then the sales person ripped them off, or they didn't do any research before purchasing. Again, can you list the appls that a 2.3 (you know, the OS that most Android users have) user cannot install?


Also, what is a paid Android shill? Talk like that makes you look like a 12 year old
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Originally Posted by ChiA View Post

You asked me to name one application that worked on 4 but not on Android 2.3, so I did.

ok then, name a second.
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Originally Posted by ChiA View Post

Okay, let's look from another angle.
What incentive is there to upgrade a handset from 2.3 to 4.0 when it can run all the apps anyway?
OEMs and networks demonstrate a lack of concern about the users's experience when they don't support or provide an official upgrade to the latest Android with new features, bug and security fixes.

So you are looking at this from the companies point of view rather than the consumers?
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By that rationale Windows 7 on a PC with no webcam, touch screen or internet access should not be called Windows 7 but Windows 6.5.

What?
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come find me and kick my ass...then I may actually respect you enough to give a **** about your desires.

 

Are you going through the stages of grief, or just totally losing it?  I think you need professional help in either case.

post #233 of 262
I disagree with Phil's assertion that people use a smartphone with one hand. I constantly see people using 1 hand to hold their phone and the other to operate it regardless of size. Having said that, I am ticked Apple didn't go with a screen as big as the Galaxy S3. I'm still getting the iPhone because I love the Apple ecosystem.
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That, of course, is completely divorced from reality. Apple offers iOS updates for their phones for at least 2 years, often 3 years. For Android, OTOH, it is common that even a brand new phone doesn't have any Android upgrades available. Heck, my daughter bought an Android 2.2 phone after ICS was already out and there is no chance that it will ever be upgradeable.
Like so many of the Android 'bragging rights' issues, that's one of the ones that sounds good in theory, but in practice, it stinks.

 

I'm sorry but the comparisons of OS upgrades is just BS. Great, iPhone 4 users upgrade to iOS 6. But they'll be missing a lot of the key features that make iOS an actual upgrade. No Flyover or turn-by-turn navigation in Maps, still no Siri, no panoramic shots in the Camera app, no Facetime over cellular, etc. On Android, you can upgrade individual apps. So if there's an update to the mail client, you can just download it, no waiting for the next version of Android. Samsung can add functionality to their Siri equivalent without being tied to an OS release. Meanwhile, Apple ties ALL updates to OS releases and most have diminished importance to older hardware. Looking at the features Apple showcases for iOS 6, the majority of them look like they could have been offered via individual updates to apps.

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What incentive is there to upgrade a handset from 2.3 to 4.0 when it can run all the apps anyway?

You keep saying that - and it's still not right.

First, you can't run all apps on the old versions of Android.

Second, you don't get bug fixes.

Third, you don't get security fixes.
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post #236 of 262

As a minor aside, the design of the ad looks like it was done by someone in a corporate office who raised their hand enthusiastically and said, "Yes, I know Indesign really well!!" as opposed to a creative agency. Looks like a nice mock up, not a final...

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Don't you have some adapters to be ordering? lol.gif

No, he's not getting it because the screen is too large for him.  lol.gif

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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
Also, what is a paid Android shill? Talk like that makes you look like a 12 year old

 

Don't play dumb yourself. People are paid to lie on competitor's forums. I've seen it happen personally, HERE.

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post #239 of 262
Someone else may have already said this, but if Android products (Samsung Galaxy S III) are so good, why do people not line up days in advance to buy them as they do for Apple idevices?
post #240 of 262
They forgot to put something on the Apple side of the add.... "Billion dollar patent infringement settlement awarded"!
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