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Apple A6 SoC 'confirmed' to leverage 1GB of RAM

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Slides of Apple's A6 chip presented at the company's iPhone 5 debut event on Wednesday reveal the processor likely holds 1GB of RAM, double the amount found in the legacy iPhone 4 and 4S handsets.

As noted by AnandTech, the unobscured parts numbers seen on the chip point to a Samsung DRAM component which boasts 1GB of addressable RAM.

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Apple's A6 processor with Samsung DRAM package part number highlighted. | Source: Apple


The part number emblazoned on the A6 is K3PE7E700F-XGC2 which, according to Samsung's 2012 product guide is a package-stacked DRAM module. This is in line with Apple's A-series SoCs, which implement a package-on-package design to save space.

Breaking down the part number, "K3P" points to a dual-channel LPDDR2 package with 32-bit channels, while the "E7E7" designation denotes the 512MB density of each DRAM die, which comes out to a total of 1GB of RAM. Finally, the "C2" yields the part's 1066MHz cycle time/data rate.

The publication notes the new package should give the A6 a 33 percent boost in peak memory bandwidth compared to the iPhone 4S.

It was recently speculated that the new A6 processor could hold the company's first custom-designed CPU core, a departure from previous A-series SoCs which relied solely on ARM's patented technology.
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Cool! What's it mean performance wise?
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...but this information is already in Samsung's print ad.
Edited by mac-user - 9/15/12 at 10:17pm
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Insane. 1GB can run Windows XP on a Netbook.

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...but this information is already on Samsung's print ad.

How are the Samscum trolls going to work their way into this discussion? (Rhetorical question!)

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Insane. 1GB can run Windows XP on a Netbook.

...but not android on an siii!

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Isn't that interesting, Samsung's out there publishing undisclosed spec's for a competitor product that hasn't shipped yet. Did they just breach an NDA, did the supposed chinese wall between departments leak? How did their marketing department have this info ready?

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How are the Samscum trolls going to work their way into this discussion? (Rhetorical question!)

Samsung can't speak evil of the iPhone, about product quality. That's why they compared only specs and features in their ad ...but forgot about the NDA. Anyone surprised?


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Well doesn't the Samsung Galaxy sIII have one gig or ram?  It would only make sense to make an iPhone with an A6 processor and give it at the least 1 GB of RAM. Without that the phone would have performance issues.

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Well doesn't the Samsung Galaxy sIII have one gig or ram?  It would only make sense to make an iPhone with an A6 processor and give it at the least 1 GB of RAM. Without that the phone would have performance issues.

 

Samsung is claiming they have 2 GB of RAM, but then there is so much inefficiency in the Android OS that they need more RAM to operate more sluggishly than the tight iOS/hardware fit. That's why specs don't mean squat when comparing anything to the Apple iDevices. 

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But the S III already has 2 GB of RAM, so that must make it twice as good as the iPhone 5. And the S III already has a quad-core processor, so that makes it two times better than the iPhone 5's dual-core. No wonder all the tech-pundits claim that the iPhone 5 is a year behind the times. And the S III's display is almost twice as big as the iPhone 5s display. Boy, Apple is sure going to have a hard time selling those iPhone 5s.

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Well doesn't the Samsung Galaxy sIII have one gig or ram?  It would only make sense to make an iPhone with an A6 processor and give it at the least 1 GB of RAM. Without that the phone would have performance issues.

Yes, the international version does only have 1GB. There is also another model that is even heavier, too.

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People GrowUP!, I use Macs for years, they had great OS, great apps, but lately things aren't so Bright, NOT on Mac OS X neither on iOS, Apple are loosing big time on the Hardware, and Apple Software is missing essencial things and not revolutionary as ads say.

This kind of ads comparison, are just are making Apple ridiculous and this is and will hurt the iPhone sales.

Another bad sales point on iOS is that Apple mostly thinks on USA market, Siri flagship is not even translated into several spoken language some of them have more native speakers in the World than English!!

Android 4, is not what Android 2 was, you can keep bragging and just say, mine is better, always better, but that is not realistic, because sometimes we loose, and Apple is loosing! Of course to be a winner, we have to fight back, making it better, not just sueing!
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Samsung is claiming they have 2 GB of RAM, but then there is so much inefficiency in the Android OS that they need more RAM to operate more sluggishly than the tight iOS/hardware fit. That's why specs don't mean squat when comparing anything to the Apple iDevices. 

Android is, indeed, just a bloated mess.

But if you run around the Internet a little bit, you'll find that loads of people complain about inconsistencies with the reported RAM size on Android devices quite frequently.

 

Take my Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, for example:

 

 

This device is advertised as having 1GB of RAM - yet I only have 687MB to play with. Is it wired to the Android System?

If it is, why limit the operating system to 337MB of RAM?

Why is there a clear memory button? Is Android's memory management that poor it needs user intervention?

Even after clearing the memory, 387MB of RAM was still in use!

So 337MB locked to some unknown entity and 387MB of RAM is wired to background services (which, according to the application manager, should only take up a few kilobytes each and in no way totals 300+MB)

A device advertised with 1GB of RAM has a grand total of 300MB available to user applications.

 

My iPad 2 has 512MB of RAM in total of which 502MB is available to the end user. If you remove the wired memory, thats 361MB available to user applications. Half the installed ram of the Samsung yet I have more memory to play with.

 

 

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Well doesn't the Samsung Galaxy sIII have one gig or ram?  It would only make sense to make an iPhone with an A6 processor and give it at the least 1 GB of RAM. Without that the phone would have performance issues.

I'm sure there is not a single or collective entity other than Apple who would know the answer to how much RAM, processor speed (or any other design criteria) their phones need, since they design the entire puzzle from the ground up.  That's what makes it special.

Much like when they worked with IBM and PPC chips.

 

But all that design work falls on deaf ears for the Pentium/Galaxy crowd.  Let them have their "customizable" phones and PCs.  

 

I don't mind jailbreaking mine to get what I find lacking, and the other millions people who keep them stock are obviously happy with vanilla iOS or they wouldn't keep buying iPhones/iPads/iPods.  Though not being 100% perfect Apple gets it closest for sure.  Honestly I JB for what AT&T lacks anyhow....so I can say that for me Apple does get it right.

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People GrowUP!, I use Macs for years, they had great OS, great apps, but lately things aren't so Bright, NOT on Mac OS X neither on iOS, Apple are loosing big time on the Hardware, and Apple Software is missing essencial things and not revolutionary as ads say.
This kind of ads comparison, are just are making Apple ridiculous and this is and will hurt the iPhone sales.
Another bad sales point on iOS is that Apple mostly thinks on USA market, Siri flagship is not even translated into several spoken language some of them have more native speakers in the World than English!!
Android 4, is not what Android 2 was, you can keep bragging and just say, mine is better, always better, but that is not realistic, because sometimes we loose, and Apple is loosing! Of course to be a winner, we have to fight back, making it better, not just sueing!

You're seriously faulting Apple for not having Siri in multiple languages yet?  They are (barely) on v1.0 in their native language.  As the mass migration from iPhone 4 to 5 takes place in the coming weeks, Siri will be learning a lot.  Hardly a fault when only the 4S has it stock.

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Cool! What's it mean performance wise?

Faster. Also less chance of background apps being flushed out of memory at random and having to reload.

Good for gaming too as it can cache more and higher quality textures. It has double the memory of the main consoles now.

It's sad to think though that because it's shared memory, it has more graphics memory than some of their Macs - they should really get on that.
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But the S III already has 2 GB of RAM, so that must make it twice as good as the iPhone 5. And the S III already has a quad-core processor, so that makes it two times better than the iPhone 5's dual-core. No wonder all the tech-pundits claim that the iPhone 5 is a year behind the times. And the S III's display is almost twice as big as the iPhone 5s display. Boy, Apple is sure going to have a hard time selling those iPhone 5s.
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Let's see. Twice the RAM, twice the number of cores, and twice the screen size. That makes it EIGHT TIMES AS GOOD!!!
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Yes, the international version does only have 1GB. There is also another model that is even heavier, too.

Yes, it's important to keep in mind Android fragmentation. Not only are there multiple different versions of Android on sale at any one time, and thousands of different phones, but you can't even tell what phone you're talking about if you know the name - because they offer multiple phones with the same name.
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People GrowUP!, I use Macs for years, they had great OS, great apps, but lately things aren't so Bright, NOT on Mac OS X neither on iOS, Apple are loosing big time on the Hardware, and Apple Software is missing essencial things and not revolutionary as ads say.
This kind of ads comparison, are just are making Apple ridiculous and this is and will hurt the iPhone sales.
Another bad sales point on iOS is that Apple mostly thinks on USA market, Siri flagship is not even translated into several spoken language some of them have more native speakers in the World than English!!
Android 4, is not what Android 2 was, you can keep bragging and just say, mine is better, always better, but that is not realistic, because sometimes we loose, and Apple is loosing! Of course to be a winner, we have to fight back, making it better, not just sueing!

So what's the going rate for posting nonsense like that?
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Faster. Also less chance of background apps being flushed out of memory at random and having to reload.
Good for gaming too as it can cache more and higher quality textures. It has double the memory of the main consoles now.
It's sad to think though that because it's shared memory, it has more graphics memory than some of their Macs - they should really get on that.

Graphics RAM isn't as important as you may think. Take a look at the PS3 - I've got Crysis 2, I play it in 3D in HD and it runs smooth as silk and looks absolutely stunning. Even though the RSX GPU in the PS3 only has 256MB of DDR3 memory it can achieve better performance than most 1GB Desktop Cards I've seen.

 

Graphics RAM is (mostly) for the number of pixels a system can display at once. More GRAM means higher resolutions and/or multiple monitors. The power of the processor itself is far more important. Whats the point in RAM when you can't push the pixels?

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People GrowUP!, ...

 

You forgot to add the '/s' at the end.

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…but lately things aren't so Bright, NOT on Mac OS X neither on iOS, Apple are loosing big time on the Hardware, and Apple Software is missing essential things and not revolutionary as ads say.

 

And instead of elaborating, you're going to say absolutely nothing but this. Just like everyone else.

 


This kind of ads comparison, are just are making Apple ridiculous and this is and will hurt the iPhone sales.

 

That's Samsung's goal, yeah. I know that's not what you're saying, but my answer is the only thing that makes sense out of that.


…some of them have more native speakers in the World than English!!

 

English is the most spoken language worldwide. It has the most native speakers and even more non-native.


Android 4, is not what Android 2 was… 

 

Oh, so it's worse now?

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Isn't that interesting, Samsung's out there publishing undisclosed spec's for a competitor product that hasn't shipped yet. Did they just breach an NDA, did the supposed chinese wall between departments leak? How did their marketing department have this info ready?

 

 

I was wondering the same thing. Samsung has to be under a NDA. Apple's product has not shipped yet. Any information that Samsung has is because it has inside access to the device. 

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Graphics RAM is (mostly) for the number of pixels a system can display at once. More GRAM means higher resolutions and/or multiple monitors. The power of the processor itself is far more important. Whats the point in RAM when you can't push the pixels?

It has diminishing returns after a certain point but the consoles differ in that they aren't multi-tasking apps and running lots of services. 512MB can choke a desktop card to zero:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-ram-4870,2428-9.html

Given that most iOS games rarely exceed 1GB in total size, 512MB would have been a decent amount but Safari always uses loads of RAM.

I'd rather have more RAM than less no matter if the benefits aren't immediately obvious. It means more and higher resolution layers in drawing apps.
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To funny how y'all rant about Samsung but the RAM is a Samsung PoP on top of Apple's A6 (made by Samsung).

 

I can understand rooting for a team (Apple) but I would feel a bit stupid rooting that hard for a team if that team "cheats" on me by doing so much business with the enemy LOL!

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To funny how y'all rant about Samsung but the RAM is a Samsung PoP on top of Apple's A6 (made by Samsung).

I can understand rooting for a team (Apple) but I would feel a bit stupid rooting that hard for a team if that team "cheats" on me by doing so much business with the enemy LOL!

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Seriously though, in what way is it cheating? Apple is more and more vertical in their products but you're complaining because they buy a couple components from a company that have stolen their ideas in other departments? Do you have any idea just how big Samsung is? Do you have even th fainted idea how complex how CE is?

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Samsung is grasping at straws, they're soon to be irrelevant as an Apple partner and cell phone company.
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@Godwin's Law invoker:

 

I'm sorry but given how vitriolic people are against Samsung in these quarters it's mind bending to be simultaneously totally cool with Apple purchasing vital components from "Shamesung / Samescum".

 

Every time I'm disgusted with that Korean copy-machine (and I have a special disgust for them given that I had the pleasure to go through their obscene security procedures in Suwon many times in the past. Samsung as a company is paranoid that someone would steal their IP so they have the most ridiculous security screening for business visitors that I haver seen. Wie der Schelm denkt, so ist er.) and feel that they rip off Apple, my disgust gets attenuated by the fact that when I buy an iPhone5, I buy a phone that was made possible by Samsung.

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I'm sorry but given how vitriolic people are against Samsung in these quarters it's mind bending to be simultaneously totally cool with Apple purchasing vital components from "Shamesung / Samescum".

 

That's just because you don't understand the distinction.

 

As a component manufacturer, Samsung takes an order, takes instructions, and copies them to the letter. That's what you want from a component manufacturer.

 

You don't want that from a "competitor".

 

Samsung as a company is paranoid that someone would steal their IP…

 

What IP?

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Apple is more and more vertical in their products but you're complaining because they buy a couple components from a company that have stolen their ideas in other departments? Do you have any idea just how big Samsung is? Do you have even th fainted idea how complex how CE is?

 

Honey, my professional background is about 15 years in CE (as in Consumer Electronics) both in engineering and management and contrary to you (most likely, making an assumption now), I have worked with Samsung's semiconductor business for years and I know their culture very well. So spare my this condescending BS. Do you even know how Samsung is structured? You honestly believe their BS about their internal firewalls? If so, bless your heart.

 

And "a couple of components" has got to be the understatement of the day. Look up to the thread's initial story what unimportant component we are talking about.

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Isn't that interesting, Samsung's out there publishing undisclosed spec's for a competitor product that hasn't shipped yet. Did they just breach an NDA, did the supposed chinese wall between departments leak? How did their marketing department have this info ready?

 

 

I was wondering the same thing. Samsung has to be under a NDA. Apple's product has not shipped yet. Any information that Samsung has is because it has inside access to the device. 

We don't know what was in the NDA. Possibly the term was only until the device is announced at the keynote.

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I'd rather have more RAM than less no matter if the benefits aren't immediately obvious. It means more and higher resolution layers in drawing apps.

That would be true if there weren't tradeoffs. More RAM costs more. More RAM takes up more space (maybe). More RAM uses more battery power.

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English is the most spoken language worldwide. It has the most native speakers and even more non-native.

Not true. Mandarin is #1 by a wide margin. English is either #2 or #3, depending on which source you believe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
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Not true. Mandarin is #1 by a wide margin. English is either #2 or #3, depending on which source you believe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

 

Oh, I read it wrong, then. The individual pages said that English has 1.8 billion speakers (all) with Mandarin around 1.6.

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@Godwin's Law invoker:

I'm sorry but given how vitriolic people are against Samsung in these quarters it's mind bending to be simultaneously totally cool with Apple purchasing vital components from "Shamesung / Samescum".

Every time I'm disgusted with that Korean copy-machine (and I have a special disgust for them given that I had the pleasure to go through their obscene security procedures in Suwon many times in the past. Samsung as a company is paranoid that someone would steal their IP so they have the most ridiculous security screening for business visitors that I haver seen. Wie der Schelm denkt, so ist er.) and feel that they rip off Apple, my disgust gets attenuated by the fact that when I buy an iPhone5, I buy a phone that was made possible by Samsung.

None of that should matter to you. When Samsung's phone division within their HW design and software group steal from Apple it's Apple that should be upset, not you. If you don't like their product and/or their work ethic then don't buy their products, but I suggest keeping it within the realm of what is being stolen. Is there any evidence that Samsung's foundries are responsible for any IP stealing from Apple? Not that I'm aware of.

Bottom line is Samsung is still the best option for a couple of Apple's components on quality and scale. That doesn't excuse the rest of the company for their other actions but that's being dealt with accordingly as the lawsuits have shown. Consider that the leaks of the iPhone over the past couple months have come from China from employees at companies Apple has contracted with. Chances are there is only one leak from a person in each company. Someone in there found a security hole and took a risk for a little cash or just because. Should Apple stop working with that vendor because someone at the company did that? If that was, say, the camera supplier should Apple go back to the iPhone 4 camera or offer no camera to teach them a lesson.

There is no way to control every aspect of the operation when you have 3rd-parties involved. Security simply becomes impractical to implement at a certain level. You can't have a New Jack City situation where all the employees are building your devices in the nude, but I digress.

Apple isn't as vertically integrated as Samsung at this point because they do still have other companies manufacture their wares and buy components outright but Apple is clearly working toward making that bubble entirely theres where possible.

It was only yesterday that we saw any evidence of what the A6 chip is which was some clever sleuthing by AnandTech. That tells me that Samsung's chip division isn't leaking anything about Apple's chips. What should Apple do? Not use NAND? Use slower NAND? Use another foundry that might only have 45nm foundries or not be able to support the quantity needed? Choose your battles.

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Honey, my professional background is about 15 years in CE (as in Consumer Electronics) both in engineering and management and contrary to you (most likely, making an assumption now), I have worked with Samsung's semiconductor business for years and I know their culture very well. So spare my this condescending BS. Do you even know how Samsung is structured? You honestly believe their BS about their internal firewalls? If so, bless your heart.

And "a couple of components" has got to be the understatement of the day. Look up to the thread's initial story what unimportant component we are talking about.

1) It's funny how people make pejorative claims to justify their own vitriol.

2) What are all these extensive components from Samsung Apple buys? I can only think of NAND off the top of my head. The A6 is Apple's design but the ASIC will likely have a package from Samsung or two if not other vendors. You can't claim the A6 is a Samsung product unless you want to claim that iPhone is a Foxconn product. They build it for Apple and it's designed by Apple. If you get a suit tailored do you think it's no longer an Armani Suit but a Lou's Tailoring creation? I sure as hell hope not.

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Not true. Mandarin is #1 by a wide margin. English is either #2 or #3, depending on which source you believe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

True however most Mandarin speakers are also bilingual except for the Beijing dialect. When at home or in their village they speak their native dialect which may have some crossover in intelligibility however there are many pronunciation variations between Taiwanese and mainland Mandarin as well as the numerous dialects in other regions of so-called native speakers of Mandarin so it is not going to be an easy task to deploy Siri in Mandarin and have it be universally effective for any dialect other than Beijing. Just as they have separated UK English from North American English they will likely have to separate Mandarin into several dialects.

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True however most Mandarin speakers are also bilingual except for the Beijing dialect. When at home or in their village they speak their native dialect which may have some crossover in intelligibility however there are many pronunciation variations between Taiwanese and mainland Mandarin as well as the numerous dialects in other regions of so-called native speakers of Mandarin so it is not going to be an easy task to deploy Siri in Mandarin and have it be universally effective for any dialect other than Beijing. Just as they have separated UK English from North American English they will likely have to separate Mandarin into several dialects.

That may be, but it has nothing to do with the false claim that English is the most widely spoken language on the planet.
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That may be, but it has nothing to do with the false claim that English is the most widely spoken language on the planet.

It sounds like you're saying that English isn't the most commonly spoken first language. If that is the case then that should be qualified as such.

English as the most widely used language on the planet is accurate but that doesn't mean other langauges can't be the most widely used languages either. It all depends on how you define widely. It's quite ambiguous.

How many people understand English to some degree? Everywhere I've been to in the world English — and American culture, in general — is very prominent. Even most code for programming is written using English as a foundation.

When you count L1, L2 and EFL speakers while excluding any other usage types of a langauge's spread, influence or usage in culture we see English being considerably higher than even Mandarin, according to Ethnologue and The British Council.


There are plenty of English words in this song but I don't recall a single Western pop song with Korean in it.

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They forgot to mention that the clock on the Samsung runs three hours and four minutes fast, which I see as a deal-breaking drawback.

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