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Do you realize that those air molecules you've been breathing all along have once gone through a Google and a Samsung executive's windpipe, ...and have exited the infringing  loop...mis-aligned circuitry and all...as an Android copycat fart?

Charting pitch-black beats smelling roses galore...

Or maybe, in fact, they are paranoid that someone will discover whose IP they've stolen?

So much for that company firewall they were hoping to keep in place to retain Apple as a customer. 

Language Support and Avaialbility of Android Voice Actions:

1. English

Language Support and Availability of Siri

1. United States (English, Spanish)
2. United Kingdom (English)
3. Australia (English)
4. France (French)
5. Germany (German)
6. Japan (Japanese)
7. Canada (English, Canadian French)
8. China (Mandarin)
9. Hong Kong (Cantonese)
10. Italy (Italian)
11. Korea (Korean)
12. Mexico (Spanish)
13. Spain (Spanish)
14. Switzerland (Italian, French, German)
15. Taiwan (Mandarin)

List of languages by number of native speakers

1. Mandarin 935 14.1% China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore
2. Spanish 387 5.85% Hispanic America, Spain, United States
3. English 365 5.52% Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, United Kingdom, United States, South Africa, Singapore
4. Hindi 295 4.46% India Includes approx. 100 million speakers of other Hindi languages.
5. Arabic 280 4.23% Northern Africa, Middle East A language family, not a language
6. Portuguese 204 3.08% Angola, Brazil, Cape Verde, East Timor, Guinea-Bissau, Macao, Mozambique, Portugal, São Tomé and Príncipe
7. Bengali 202 3.05% Bangladesh, West Bengal (India), Tripura (India)
8. Russian 160 2.42% Russia, former Republics of the Soviet Union, Mongolia, Israel
9. Japanese 127 1.92% Japan
10. Punjabi 95.5 1.44% Punjab region (Pakistan, India)
11. German 92.1 1.39% Austria, Belgium (Eupen-Malmedy) Germany, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, South Tirol (in Italy)
12. Javanese 82.4 1.25% Java (Indonesia)
13. Wu 79.5 1.2% Shanghai (China)
14. Indonesian/Malay 76.9 1.16% Indonesia, Malaysia
15. Telugu 75.9 1.15% Andhra Pradesh (India)

List of countries by Human Development Index

1 Norway (Norwegian although a majority of population is fluent in English, many speak German, French and Spanish as well)
2 Australia (English)
3 Netherlands (Dutch although a majority of population can speak conversational English)
4 United States (English and Spanish)
5 New Zealand (English)
6 Canada (English and Canadian French)
7 Ireland (Irish and English)
8 Liechtenstein (German, Italian and Turkish are somewhat common as well)
9 Germany (German)
10 Sweden (Swedish although a majority of population is fluent in English)
11 Switzerland (German, French, Italian and Romansch
12 Japan (Japanese although English is compulsory)
13 Hong Kong (Cantonese, English)
14 Iceland (Icelandic although Danish and English are compulsory)
15 South Korea (Korean)
16 Denmark (Danish)
17 Israel (Hebrew and Arabic although English is compulsory)
18 Belgium (Dutch, French, German)
19 Austria (German)
20 France (French)
21 Slovenia (Slovene although a majority of the population can speak English)
22 Finland (Finnish and Swedish although English is compulsory)
23 Spain (Spanish although English is widely spoken in tourism areas, primarily along the Mediterranean)
24 Italy (Italian)
25 Luxembourg (French, German, and Luxembourgish although English is compulsory)
26 Singapore ( English, Chinese, Malay, and Tamil)
27 Czech Republic (Czech)
28 United Kingdom (English)
29 Greece (Greek)
30 United Arab Emirates (Arabic)
...
61 Malaysia (Bahasa Malaysia although math and science are taught in English)
...
84 Brazil (Portugese)
...
124 Indonesia (Javanese)
...
134 India (Hindi, Benjali, Punjabi although English is an official language as well)


As we can see, the number eleventh, ninth and sixth most popular languages as well as the top three most spoken languages are supported by Siri. Furthermore, in many regions with a very high human development index English is taught as a second language and is often compulsory.


** As always, Android-based smartphones are far behind. I don't know if I should pity fools that buy Android or not. Some of them seemed well-informed about many topics but are otherwise deceitful or foolish in regards to technology.
Edited by MacBook Pro - 9/16/12 at 12:23pm

Sorry, but I refuse to count someone as an English speaker just because they happen to listen to a song which has an English word or two.

I believe the original comment wasn't about the number of fluent English speakers but how widespread English was as a language. Did you not read my comment; I thought I made that very clear?

I guess that Korean guy copied the steps from this crazy Indian video:
http://youtu.be/Tg4dFlHCDB0

Great example. Thanks for putting it together.

Yes, I did. And then you supported it with the claim that many songs have a few English words.

I've traveled to over 25 countries for extended periods of time. There's absolutely no way that 20% of the world's population speaks English fluently. And note that the one bit of evidence you DID cite quotes a figure of nearly a billion people speaking English as a second language - but doesn't define the term. Apparently, they're including the number of people who have heard a song or two with an English word.

Native English speakers are third. Even when you add the number who regularly speak English as a second or third language it doesn't approach the number of native Mandarin speakers:
http://www.numberof.net/number-of-english-speakers/

The fist iPhone 5 benchmark #s have hit geekbench. 1601. In a word.. insane. For comparison, the 4S (a phone that's still incredibly fast) got 629. We're looking at almost 3X pure performance.  I'm fairly certain this completely eviscerates the S3 on all counts, regardless of ram or mhz. The S3 could have 8GB of RAM and it wouldnt make a damn difference. The below is what happens when you design your own SoC and optimize the hell out of it. The iPhone is doing this while running half the cores of the S3, half the RAM, and less clockspeed. 

 

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1030202

 

Edited by Slurpy - 9/16/12 at 2:25pm

What score does the average netbook get?

 

What does that have to do with anything? Dunno, you can try looking it up. 

No, you didn't read it or you'd have read a sourced link to English being spoken by 1.5 B v 1.2 B for Mandarin when you count L1, L2, and EFL speakers. My second point was that's English is more widespread as being an element in the world's cultures.

All you're doing is making a very selective definition but not acknowledging that you are do so by your simplistic usage of "widely". No one said that Enlish is the most common L1 language.

Your anecdotal experience and claims that if someone can't understand every English word you speak that they must not know any English words, their meaning, or how to use them properly doesn't hold water. That is pretty ignorant to suggest that.

Bottom line, English is the most widespread language on the planet in regards to total number of speakers (as previously defined), modem infusion of words, borrowing of words, usage in entertainment and usage in technology.

All Mandarin seems to have is having the most L1 and L2 speakers. How much does Manadarin influence Western culture? Seems pretty isolated to a certain part of the world to me.
Edited by SolipsismX - 9/16/12 at 2:55pm

I'd say it's ba question because netbooks are a useless metric in 2012. In 2010 it might have had some current relevance.

Atom probably still beats the new Apple A6 chip in most regards. The power efficiency of te chips are vastly different, as well as the OSes they run. WinXP was dog slow on the one I bought.

Tis a rhetorical 

That's not quite right. Look at the Geekbench scores for Android phones:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/android-benchmarks

The SIII is 1560 (although this is the International version with 4 cores).

However, synthetic benchmarks are not all that useful for phones. What really matters is that Android is an extremely inefficient OS and there are lags and clumsiness throughout. For example, even though many phones outperformed the 4S on Geekbench, most reviewers found the 4S to be the most fluid and usable phone.

Lol I think we'll stop seeing the "specs don't matter" copout from Apple fans. It beat the nexus 7 by like 20 points.

 

 

I thought the language debate was stemming from the troll remark criticizing Apple for Siri not having any language other than English, but it appears it has now descended into a debate about semantics. Some have said that Siri isn't really very useful even in English. I stopped using it a few months after I got the 4s as I found it contrary to the way I have become used to using a computer, but then again it took a long time for me to warm up to iPad too. Maybe once Siri is released in Spanish I will give it another shot. It will be interesting to see how easily one can switch from one language to the other.

 

Copout? Specs DON'T matter, in a VACCUUM. ie. its idiotic to sell a phone by advertising specs, as all Android OEMs do. When has Apple advertised specfic specs in its marketing?

Specs are a means to an end, which is to have a smooth, fluid, fast, useable experience with your device. Also, these numbers PROVE just how much specs don't matter, as the iPhone 5 outperforms the S3 in benchmarks, even while being underspeced. And if history is an indication, it will outperform it in a much bigger fashion in practical usage, in terms of OS speed. The 4S is stll more responsive and fluid than any Android phone I've used, including the lastest ones. But hey, you're clearly a troll with no substantial point to make, so not sure why Im even responding  

Actually if you consider the amount of devices it supports and the scalability of Android, its extremely efficient. I think Google's efforts so far have been to ensure Android becomes available to use on multiple devices, not just smart phones (Ouya, pocket PC, etc).

With their project butter initiative, the android os is bound to get more fluid. The Galaxy Nexus became significantly faster with a single OTA. It felt like a new phone for most people. It doesn't quite match iOS in fluidity, but its getting there.

I don't understand all the bashing on the Android OS. The ability for anyone that has an idea to make a phone or a device to simply go to the android website and download an AOSP OS, or to simply flash any number of available ROMs, is amazing, regardless if you hate the company that put it together.

The A6 is based on A15, so no its not underspeced, even if s3 uses a quad core. The score is about what should be expected for the numbers we saw from anandtech.

I hope iPhone 5 would be smoother than 4S and support true multi-tasking, just like my Galaxy Nexus.  

iPhone had true multitasking from day one. What you're asking for is Apple to disband their APIs for making the device running smoothly, be power efficient, and be intelligent in the way it controls how multitasking works with App Store apps. That simply won't happen because the cases you can make will pale in comparison to how much it will hinder the user experience to let any all 3rd-party App Store vendors run their apps without any scrutinization.

 

I am sure Apple would gradually support true multi tasking with their improved specs for future products. http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-6-multitasking-2012-9  

 

Sorry I dont know anything about API, but my Galaxy Nexus is much smoother than iPhone 4S.  Why you should not expect that?

 

Then there's something wrong with your 4S, if your Nexus is 'much smoother'. I've never, ever encountered a time when my 4S wasnt completely fluid and responsive. 

This didn't take long.

 

The original advertisement was definitely purposed to retain existing customers more than enticing switchers. It's a script to make sure the fandroids are signing from the same song sheet. The only way they are going to dethrone Apple is by making it seem boring and mainstream.

 

Someone told me yesterday that unlike Android the iPhone is built for the "lowest common denominator", to which I replied "isn't the denominator usually on the bottom?"

 

Sorry, I bought Galaxy Nexus instead of iPhone 4S.  But, I have tested iPhone 4S every time I had chance to hold.  What I had liked about iPhone 4 and 4S was its superiority on smoothness until Jelly Bean came along.  

 

I have 3 launchers with my Nexus, one of which is 'Fake iPhone Launcher' which supports iPhone icons and same UI.  Now, I could compare mine with iPhone 4S.  Result?  iPhone 4s is not superior anymore in terms with smoothness.

 

Maybe with the increased ram, iPhone 5 would be much smoother on a par with mine.

Apple iPhones are for the "HEROes," an acronym from Forrester Research, Inc. for Highly Empowered and Resourceful Operatives; i.e. "the 17% of information workers who use new technologies and find innovative ways to be more productive and serve customers more effectively."

Apple iPhone is simply:

The most desirable smartphone.
The most satisfying smartphone.
The most reliable smartphone even during "Antennagate."
The most secure smartphone.
The most well designed smartphone even according to Samsung.
Edited by MacBook Pro - 9/16/12 at 5:40pm

Download the 'Fake iPhone 5 Launcher' and compare your Nexus to the iPhone 5... lol

According to the latest information, the A6 is NOT based on the A15 (I can't imagine it not being somehow based on it).

 

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/15/apples_a6_processor_could_be_companys_first_custom_designed_cpu_core

I think people need to wiki ARM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture just to educate themselves about how the A5/Cortex-A9 MPCore came about. You'll quickly find that Apple had an involvement way back in the 90's. My understanding is that Apple and Samsung just license tech.

 

No I do not need to download.  Will be updated.  I don't know anyone who is upgrading to iPhone 5 yet, so I might have to visit shops to compare mine with the 5.  I am sure it will be smooth as mine.

Edited by hjb - 9/16/12 at 7:00pm

Having used a G Nexus, it is no where as smooth or fluid as even an iPhone 4 yet alone a 4S. And don't even get me started on needing to charge it part way through he day.

 

Well, I don't know.  I am using my GN fully for my requirements, 3 different launchers, about 120 downloaded applications and 12gb used.  When I open iPhone launcher I have 7pages of home screen.  Most of iPhone 4 and 4S that I compared with mine had about 30~60 application downloaded.  With iPhone launcher, mine is definately smoother than iPhone 4 and 4S.

 

On stock and Nova launcher, I get little glitches but after playing around 5 seconds it becomes buttery smooth ( I use full 5 home screens, full of widgets - most of them are scrollable and colorful).  I feel that still mine is better.

 

Mine is international GSM version with Jelly Bean.

I pity someone who wants an Apple iPhone so badly they purchase a cheap Samsung Galaxy Nexus and attempt to emulate the Apple iOS user experience.

The problem is that the Samsung Galaxy Nexus is, as many expect from Samsung at this point, cheap garbage:

The iPhone 4S with iOS 6 A5 SoC 800 MHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU outperforms the 1.2GHz TI OMAP 4460 (running Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich") as well
The iPhone 4S A5 SoC PowerVR SGX543MP2 GPU performs as much as 3x faster than Samsung Galaxy Nexus PowerVR SGX 540 GPU
iPhone 4S provides 42.8% longer Cellular 3G - EVDO or WCDMA web browsing battery life
iPhone 4S provides 43.4% longer Wi-Fi web browsing battery life

Sadly, the Samsung Galaxy Nexus skimps on the processors but loads up on RAM. A more responsive user interface certainly wouldn't require that much RAM.

Good one!  LOL. Please dont cry however.

 

No I just using iPhone launcher as 'Application drawer', if you know what I mean.  My default launcher is Nova.  (And of course, to test iPhones with mine)

 

You know that the first benchmark is just out.

http://************/2012/09/16/first-iphone-5-geekbench-results-dual-core-a6-more-than-doubles-ipad-3-score-narrowly-beats-high-end-androids/

 

iPhone 5 is quite impressive, Geekbechmark score is 1601.  

 

See below on above link, iPhone 4 is 380 and iPhone 4S is 629.

 

My Galaxy Nexus with Jelly Bean is 1048.  Compared with 4 and 4s, not bad is it ?  I have my screen shot saved.  If you need it, just scream for it.

 

 

PS- I can not the post correct link for some reason.  Visit 9to5mac and search the title 'First iPhone 5 Geekbench Results'

Edited by hjb - 9/16/12 at 9:54pm

The PS3 does have Multi-tasking of sorts with Music and Chatting (video, audio and text) - but I was referring to graphics ram anyway, not system memory so its kind of moot in that regard.

Graphics RAM does hit a brick wall after a certain point, no denying that, but more often than not it can be circumvented by either lowering the resolution or over clocking the card. The latter being the more desirable, of course.

Although I have not tried with my own MacBook Pro (Radeon 6490M - 256MB GDDR5 RAM) I have seen other machines with 6490M cards run games at relatively high detail settings with 512MB or less. Over clocking the card under windows (using something like Sapphire Trixx) is all that was needed to get games like Skyrim running on Ultra on a few machines. They're all over youtube.

Nice! I like the 'any pants' / 'cargo pants'!
They forgot to mention that the clock on the Samsung runs three hours and four minutes fast, which I see as a deal-breaking drawback.
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LOL

The support is a big one. Should you need help, you can be in and out with a replacement device in 15 minutes, and restoring all your data from iCloud.

A nearly 5" screen makes it a mini tablet. I've seen them, it's ludicrously sized for a phone. I think they should be marketing it as a Galaxy Tab 5.

Except when you live outside the US and it may take 2 weeks before you get your phone back