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http://www.forbes.com/sites/susannahbreslin/2012/09/13/mitt-romney-porn/

 

 

 

 

 

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But an anti-porn crusader says Mitt Romney has vowed if he’s elected president, he’ll ramp up obscenity prosecutions, a task President Obama has shown little interest in pursuing.

 

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In a meeting with Alex Wong, Romney’s foreign and legal policy director, Trueman says Wong told him, “Romney is sincere about this. He’s convinced this has now had a terrible effect on society, and he will enforce the law.”

 

 

Small government my ass.  Ironically, this may not play well in Utah, the nation's largest per capita paying consumer of pornography.

 

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If this is anything like Obama, it might mean Romney has (or had) a porn problem or at least used porn himself in his younger days.

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If this is anything like Obama, it might mean Romney has (or had) a porn problem or at least used porn himself in his younger days.

Not necessarily.

Romney wants to have all porn labeled as obscene making it exempt from 1st Amendment rights. If he gets his way he'll likely sanitize all nudity etc from every movie and tv show as well, plus explicit lyrics from songs etc. protect the kiddies and all that.

Obama has gone after true obscene materials but left the 1st Amendment alone. Let the parents be parents and keep that stuff from their kids if they feel that is necessary. As I personally think it should be. Particularly when right now we have much bigger issues to deal with.

Romney, you might recall, was the man that wants to put a porn filter on every computer and device that can connect to the internet. He want to basically give himself or some one person or small group he hand picks the keys to saying what he obscene etc. which means he could label anything he wants that way. If he chooses there goes anything with a homosexual in it because 'sex was created by God to be between a man and a woman . . . .'
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The article contends Obama is ignoring the law and that Romney will enforce it. Given the premise that BR posted a thread along with this one about government regulation and how it will help our lives, the point is beyond ironic.

 

In one thread we need the government to help us by creating and enforcing regulation. In the other thread, he is thankful Obama is ignoring government regulation because if jerks like Romney enforced government regulations, our lives would apparently be terrible.

 

Can you make up your mind BR?

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Can you make up your mind BR?

 

I think he'd rather make up our minds.

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Not necessarily.
Romney wants to have all porn labeled as obscene making it exempt from 1st Amendment rights. If he gets his way he'll likely sanitize all nudity etc from every movie and tv show as well, plus explicit lyrics from songs etc. protect the kiddies and all that.
Obama has gone after true obscene materials but left the 1st Amendment alone. Let the parents be parents and keep that stuff from their kids if they feel that is necessary. As I personally think it should be. Particularly when right now we have much bigger issues to deal with.
Romney, you might recall, was the man that wants to put a porn filter on every computer and device that can connect to the internet. He want to basically give himself or some one person or small group he hand picks the keys to saying what he obscene etc. which means he could label anything he wants that way. If he chooses there goes anything with a homosexual in it because 'sex was created by God to be between a man and a woman . . . .'

 

Actually, I was referring to the Obama administration's ratcheting up of drug law enforcement.

 

The relevancy here is that BR, et al, want to pick and choose the infringements of liberty that are troubling and, as it happens, only seem to pick those that Republicans want to infringe leaving the implication hanging out there that Democrats and liberals are champions of liberty.

 

This is actually what makes liberals so offensive. It is their smug hypocritical air of superiority that suggests the policies, laws, actions and people they support are not infringing on anyone's rights or that the guy they like (Obama in this case) is not guilty of something quite similar to what Romney is being accused of.

 

At this point BR will accuse me of a fallacy. Fine. But BR doesn't really want a debate or discussion on the issue, he simply wants to point out something he thinks is bad or evil about Mitt Romney while ignoring the many bad and evil things about Obama and leave us all with the impression that one side is better than the other.

 

See also: Hands Sandon, jimmac, etc.

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Not necessarily.
Romney wants to have all porn labeled as obscene making it exempt from 1st Amendment rights. If he gets his way he'll likely sanitize all nudity etc from every movie and tv show as well, plus explicit lyrics from songs etc. protect the kiddies and all that.
Obama has gone after true obscene materials but left the 1st Amendment alone. Let the parents be parents and keep that stuff from their kids if they feel that is necessary. As I personally think it should be. Particularly when right now we have much bigger issues to deal with.
Romney, you might recall, was the man that wants to put a porn filter on every computer and device that can connect to the internet. He want to basically give himself or some one person or small group he hand picks the keys to saying what he obscene etc. which means he could label anything he wants that way. If he chooses there goes anything with a homosexual in it because 'sex was created by God to be between a man and a woman . . . .'

 

Actually, I was referring to the Obama administration's ratcheting up of drug law enforcement.

 

The relevancy here is that BR, et al, want to pick and choose the infringements of liberty that are troubling and, as it happens, only seem to pick those that Republicans want to infringe leaving the implication hanging out there that Democrats and liberals are champions of liberty.

 

This is actually what makes liberals so offensive. It is their smug hypocritical air of superiority that suggests the policies, laws, actions and people they support are not infringing on anyone's rights or that the guy they like (Obama in this case) is not guilty of something quite similar to what Romney is being accused of.

 

At this point BR will accuse me of a fallacy. Fine. But BR doesn't really want a debate or discussion on the issue, he simply wants to point out something he thinks is bad or evil about Mitt Romney while ignoring the many bad and evil things about Obama and leave us all with the impression that one side is better than the other.

 

See also: Hands Sandon, jimmac, etc.

 

I sympathize with your complaints here, but how do you feel about that particular initiative by Romney? If I understand your philosophy correctly then it seems to represent exactly the kind of government intervention in personal choice that you abhor.

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I sympathize with your complaints here, but how do you feel about that particular initiative by Romney? If I understand your philosophy correctly then it seems to represent exactly the kind of government intervention in personal choice that you abhor.

 

Yes it would.

 

I'm not defending Mitt Romney here. Though, if this as trumptman has pointed out...merely a matter of enforcing existing laws that are currently not being enforced, then it is just what pro-government folks seem to want. That being the case, perhaps those opposed ought to seek repeal of those laws.

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I sympathize with your complaints here, but how do you feel about that particular initiative by Romney? If I understand your philosophy correctly then it seems to represent exactly the kind of government intervention in personal choice that you abhor.

 

Yes it would.

 

I'm not defending Mitt Romney here. Though, if this as trumptman has pointed out...merely a matter of enforcing existing laws that are currently not being enforced, then it is just what pro-government folks seem to want. That being the case, perhaps those opposed ought to seek repeal of those laws.

 

Completely agree.

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Not necessarily.
Romney wants to have all porn labeled as obscene making it exempt from 1st Amendment rights. If he gets his way he'll likely sanitize all nudity etc from every movie and tv show as well, plus explicit lyrics from songs etc. protect the kiddies and all that.
Obama has gone after true obscene materials but left the 1st Amendment alone. Let the parents be parents and keep that stuff from their kids if they feel that is necessary. As I personally think it should be. Particularly when right now we have much bigger issues to deal with.
Romney, you might recall, was the man that wants to put a porn filter on every computer and device that can connect to the internet. He want to basically give himself or some one person or small group he hand picks the keys to saying what he obscene etc. which means he could label anything he wants that way. If he chooses there goes anything with a homosexual in it because 'sex was created by God to be between a man and a woman . . . .'

You mean between one man and a bunch of women.  Gotta love polygamy... (oh wait, mainstream Mormons claim they don't believe in that anymore)

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You mean between one man and a bunch of women.  Gotta love polygamy... (oh wait, mainstream Mormons claim they don't believe in that anymore)

 

Members of the mainstream LDS church (not one of its offshoots) do not practice polygamy and anyone found to be doing so is excommunicated. I know. I'm a Mormon (who is not, by the way, voting for Romney). You can stop using that silly cheap shot. Thanks.

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Right, the Lord of Kolob changed his mind on that one.  He also changed his mind about black people in 1978.  He also changed his mind a little bit about the origins of Native Americans in 2007.  Such a fickle deity.

 

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Members of the mainstream LDS church (not one of its offshoots) do not practice polygamy and anyone found to be doing so is excommunicated. I know. I'm a Mormon (who is not, by the way, voting for Romney). You can stop using that silly cheap shot. Thanks.


Hey, I'm not judging...  My wife's family is Muslim, and polygamy is still considered perfectly accepted in mainstream Islam. 

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This is a religion of throw backs that are so antiquated it is sad.We are in the 21st century now. I am not referring to Muslims at all. The other one.
 

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Right, the Lord of Kolob changed his mind on that one.  He also changed his mind about black people in 1978.  He also changed his mind a little bit about the origins of Native Americans in 2007.  Such a fickle deity.

 

The Lord of Barack recently changed his mind on gay marriage (sorta) and it wasn't even as far back as 1978 that he did this. That Obama is sure a fickle one. Also why go after Romney's past when Obama's dad was married four times and there are claims of overlap with regard to the marriages.

 

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Members of the mainstream LDS church (not one of its offshoots) do not practice polygamy and anyone found to be doing so is excommunicated. I know. I'm a Mormon (who is not, by the way, voting for Romney). You can stop using that silly cheap shot. Thanks.


Hey, I'm not judging...  My wife's family is Muslim, and polygamy is still considered perfectly accepted in mainstream Islam. 

 

It is also still a perfectly accepted practice in Kenya which speaks to Barack Obama's ancestry.

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Right, the Lord of Kolob changed his mind on that one.  He also changed his mind about black people in 1978.  He also changed his mind a little bit about the origins of Native Americans in 2007.  Such a fickle deity.

You're voting for a man who professes belief in a deity. Go BR!

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Right, the Lord of Kolob changed his mind on that one.  He also changed his mind about black people in 1978.  He also changed his mind a little bit about the origins of Native Americans in 2007.  Such a fickle deity.

 

The Lord of Barack recently changed his mind on gay marriage (sorta) and it wasn't even as far back as 1978 that he did this. That Obama is sure a fickle one. Also why go after Romney's past when Obama's dad was married four times and there are claims of overlap with regard to the marriages.

 

Did you just ask why one should criticize Romney over documented history when one could instead focus on unsubstantiated innuendo about Obama's father? 

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You're voting for a man who professes belief in a deity. Go BR!

Nice dodge.  Isn't it weird that the Lord of Kolob has changed his mind so much--especially when one of his positions has become extremely unpopular or widely discredited?

 

Of course, the incredibly racist passage is still in their holy fanfiction...err..Book of Mormon.  They changed the noncanonical chapter summary in 2010 to hide some of the racism, but it's still there in the canonical text.

 

 

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/5?lang=eng

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 21 And he had caused the acursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair andbdelightsome, that they might not be centicing unto my people the Lord God did cause a dskin of eblackness to come upon them.

 22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall bealoathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

 23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that amixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.

White = delightsome.

Black = loathsome.  

Race mixing = evil.

 

I don't understand how black people can ever willingly become Mormons.  Similarly how I don't understand how women can ever become Christians.

 

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Similarly how I don't understand how women can ever become Christians.

 

Can or would? (Sorry, word fetishist in me coming out.)

 

But seriously...

 

Why is it that you don't understand why women would become followers of Jesus Christ?

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1 Timothy 2:12

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12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

 

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1 Timothy 2:12

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12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

 

OK. And?

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OK. And?

Now we see MJ for what he truly is.

 

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Now we see MJ for what he truly is.

 

So you're not going actually answer my question. I see. Got it.

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Now we see MJ for what he truly is.

 

So you're not going actually answer my question. I see. Got it.

No. I really doubt that you get it.

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No. I really doubt that you get it.

 

No, I do. I asked BR a direct and clear question: Why is it that you don't understand why women would become followers of Jesus Christ?

 

He's failed now (in two posts) to actually answer this question but, instead, is attempting to turn this around on me rather than on his claims and assumptions.

 

I get it all too well.

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No. I really doubt that you get it.

 

No, I do. I asked BR a direct and clear question: Why is it that you don't understand why women would become followers of Jesus Christ?

 

He's failed now (in two posts) to actually answer this question but, instead, is attempting to turn this around on me rather than on his claims and assumptions.

 

I get it all too well.

 

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No, I do.

You may think you do but that's clearly not the case.

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He sees what is written in the ancient tome and still cannot fathom why women should be outraged.  Lost cause.

 

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He sees what is written in the ancient tome and still cannot fathom why women should be outraged.  Lost cause.

 

He takes a single verse, out of context, ignores the sum total of the Bible, it's message and the teachings of Jesus, as well as the possibility that some women may have a different life perspective than him and cannot fathom how his claims and beliefs and views about "women" might be incomplete and biased. Lost cause.

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Sorry for not mentioning having to marry your dead husband's brother.  My bad.  Now I see why women are so into Christianity--backup husbands!

 

And the full context of 1 Timothy 2:12 is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much less misogynistic.  Oh wait, did I say less?  I meant more.  Much more.

 

 

 

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1 Timothy 2

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Instructions on Worship

I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.

Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

 

"Don't dress like a slut, remember it's your fault bad things happen, shut up, **** me, and give birth."

-Male bible authors to women.

 

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Take a course (or read a book) on hermeneutics before continuing. Until then you don't really have much of value to say my cherry-picking friend.

 

Oh and you might want to also quit pretending that you know what all women should or shouldn't want. That would also be an improvement. But then it would be kinda un-liberal of you so I suspect you'll keep riding that horse.

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How about you do that with evolution, first?  At least that time and effort would be spent learning about something grounded in reality.

 

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I don't understand how black people can ever willingly become Mormons.

 

Why don't you ask them.

 

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Right, the Lord of Kolob changed his mind on that one.  He also changed his mind about black people in 1978.  He also changed his mind a little bit about the origins of Native Americans in 2007.  Such a fickle deity.

 

The Lord of Barack recently changed his mind on gay marriage (sorta) and it wasn't even as far back as 1978 that he did this. That Obama is sure a fickle one. Also why go after Romney's past when Obama's dad was married four times and there are claims of overlap with regard to the marriages.

 

Did you just ask why one should criticize Romney over documented history when one could instead focus on unsubstantiated innuendo about Obama's father? 

 

It isn't Mitt Romney who personally engaged in polygamy. That is what can be inferred from your statement there. There is a history of it within his family further in the past and within his church in the past. The point is that this is true of Islam, which Obama's ancestor's followed on his father's side and also true of Kenya where it is still practiced today. If a person is going to be stupid enough to engage in logical leaps via guilt by association, aka what BR is doing, then they have to go both ways with it.

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I don't understand how black people can ever willingly become Mormons.  Similarly how I don't understand how women can ever become Christians.

 

There's a lot in life you don't understand. Someday with a little maturity, you might stop attacking others for not matching or meeting some set of choices related to your limited understanding.

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Sorry for not mentioning having to marry your dead husband's brother.  My bad.  Now I see why women are so into Christianity--backup husbands!

 

And the full context of 1 Timothy 2:12 is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much less misogynistic.  Oh wait, did I say less?  I meant more.  Much more.

 

 

 

 

"Don't dress like a slut, remember it's your fault bad things happen, shut up, **** me, and give birth."

-Male bible authors to women.

 

I love when BR quotes and interprets scripture to support his anti-religous bigotry.  Good times. 

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I love when BR quotes and interprets scripture to support his anti-religous bigotry.  Good times. 

Did he get it wrong?
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I love when BR quotes and interprets scripture to support his anti-religous bigotry.  Good times. 

Did he get it wrong?

 

He did get it wrong because even if a religion prescribes a manner of dress, a hierarchy, of authority, or tells them to seek good deeds, none of that is misogyny.

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I love when BR quotes and interprets scripture to support his anti-religous bigotry.  Good times. 

Did he get it wrong?

 

He did get it wrong because even if a religion prescribes a manner of dress, a hierarchy, of authority, or tells them to seek good deeds, none of that is misogyny.

 

Ah right - I see you focussed on his use of that word rather than his original point. Nice. And I would agree that sexual discrimination alone, no matter how extensive or pervasive, does not necessarily constitute misogyny, although discrimination is one of the required indicators by most definitions.

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Ah right - I see you focussed on his use of that word rather than his original point. Nice.

 

Actually it appears that word (misogyny) is very tightly related and intertwined with BR's original point. He said cannot understand why women would become Christians. When asked why he (cherry) picked a verse (and then expanded on that verse) claiming misogyny (hatred of women). So that word is at the center of the original point. The claim is that Christian, the bible and, apparently God are misogynistic (hateful of women) and he cannot understand why any woman would become part of something that hates them.

 

I've spent more than 15 years reading and studying (doing best to understand context, culture, etc.) the Bible in a variety of forms and fashions. Along that way I've also listened to numerous sermons and lectures on various aspects of the Bible. I've even been involved with studies specifically on the subject of the Bible and the women, and I have come to the conclusion that there is no such misogyny in the Bible that BR is claiming or looking for.

 

 

But what BR is doing here is begging the question on his point. He's chosen a single passage from the Bible (and I'm sure he could find others that would appear to support his assumptions) and claiming misogyny without proving it. He's failing to look at scripture as a whole. He doesn't look at some of the prominent and heroic women of the Bible. He ignores the cultural and historical context in which these things were written and fails to acknowledge that those things might lend a different interpretation of the text. He simply picks a couple of verses, glues it to his existing prejudices, preconceived ideas, intolerance, anger, bitterness and religious bigotry and makes an assumption.

 
If he wanted to be an honest participant in discussions related to this topic, he'd spend some time doing more homework. He might read the Bible (with an open mind). Try to even study it (respecting culture, context, language differences, etc.) He might even attend a few churches or listen to some sermon podcasts (not just cherry picking the ones that do preach a faulty theology inappropriate discrimination against women.)
 
But throwing stones is much easier.

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15 years studying bad fiction.  What a waste.  More like, 15 years figuring out how to spin away all the misogyny that is littered throughout the entire bible.  The fundamental principle of original sin is wholly misogynistic.  Sorry, you can't get around that. 

 

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