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Answer me this. How much ridicule would a competing device get on this forum if it had those specs and was announced tomorrow?


I'll answer that, but let's set the context.   Apple first releases an iPad mini that fits their standards.  It's a 7.85in Retina display, the A5X chip with 1GB RAM, a 5mp camera with FaceTime front cam, etc.  Essentially a smaller, lighter, thinner version of the iPad 3.  And Apple brings it in at $399.

 

Then next year HP releases a 7.85in Android copycat tablet with the specs listed by that previous poster for $299.

 

Once you frame it that way, you can see how the battles would play out around these parts.  We'd be chiding HP for skimping on quality for the sake of market share and proud of Apple for releasing the best product they could make, even if it meant a higher price tag.  For creating a brand new product because it makes us look at tablets a little differently, not to lower the iPad price floor.   If Apple releases a smaller tablet then this is how it should play out; anything else and it's the start of Tim Cook taking Apple into the generic electronics abyss. 

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What way would that be?  Leave out the cameras?  Give us the shittiest screen they can get their hands on?  That isn't the Apple we know.

 

I just find it incredibly hard to believe that the iPad mini and iPod touch 5G would both start at $299.

 

The iPod touch 4G 16GB currently sells for $199.  It has a retina display and camera.  The iPad 2 16GB currently sells for $399.  Apple could clearly fit something in between.  Their historical practice in iPhone and iPad is to make small margins on the base model, and make most of their money from people willing to pay through the nose for extra flash memory.  And they don't need to make much money on the iPad mini -- it's worth a lot to them to avoid letting competition get a foothold in the tablet market.  The iPad mini base model may be a very good deal.

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Give us the shittiest screen they can get their hands on? That isn't the Apple we know.
The iPod touch 4G 16GB currently sells for $199.  It has a retina display and camera.

Note up until this new iPod was announced last week the 4th gen iPod Touch's display was significantly and noticeably inferior to that of the iPhone 4/4S. The one interesting thing they said about the new Touch is that it uses the exact same display as the iPhone 5.

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post #44 of 83
Nobody is considering that the target market for an iPad mini might range from little kids in kindergartens and elementary grades to casual users who can carry one in a jacket pocket without worrying about it, situations where an expensive retina display would be overkill. The selling point would be sturdy metal construction that doesn't offend the parents' or the kids' sensibilities, and the Apple ecosystem, in which parents and teachers can load the tablets with good stuff for kids easily.

Everybody here except maybe herbapou is assuming the target buyer is themselves. They may get the retina screen eventually, or even right away for more money. But Apple shouldn't let the kinder market suffer with cheap plastic and laggy software. They have kids in Cupertino too.
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The iPod touch 4G 16GB currently sells for $199.  It has a retina display and camera.  The iPad 2 16GB currently sells for $399.  Apple could clearly fit something in between.  Their historical practice in iPhone and iPad is to make small margins on the base model, and make most of their money from people willing to pay through the nose for extra flash memory.  And they don't need to make much money on the iPad mini -- it's worth a lot to them to avoid letting competition get a foothold in the tablet market.  The iPad mini base model may be a very good deal.

Is Apple that afraid of the competition? I think not.
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Nobody is considering that the target market for an iPad mini might range from little kids in kindergartens and elementary grades to casual users who can carry one in a jacket pocket without worrying about it, situations where an expensive retina display would be overkill. The selling point would be sturdy metal construction that doesn't offend the parents' or the kids' sensibilities, and the Apple ecosystem, in which parents and teachers can load the tablets with good stuff for kids easily.
Everybody here except maybe herbapou is assuming the target buyer is themselves. They may get the retina screen eventually, or even right away for more money. But Apple shouldn't let the kinder market suffer with cheap plastic and laggy software. They have kids in Cupertino too.
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Kids in kindergarten, really? At that age pencil and paper is much more beneficial
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I'll answer that, but let's set the context.   Apple first releases an iPad mini that fits their standards.  It's a 7.85in Retina display, the A5X chip with 1GB RAM, a 5mp camera with FaceTime front cam, etc.  Essentially a smaller, lighter, thinner version of the iPad 3.  And Apple brings it in at $399.

 

Then next year HP releases a 7.85in Android copycat tablet with the specs listed by that previous poster for $299.

 

Once you frame it that way, you can see how the battles would play out around these parts.  We'd be chiding HP for skimping on quality for the sake of market share and proud of Apple for releasing the best product they could make, even if it meant a higher price tag.  For creating a brand new product because it makes us look at tablets a little differently, not to lower the iPad price floor.   If Apple releases a smaller tablet then this is how it should play out; anything else and it's the start of Tim Cook taking Apple into the generic electronics abyss. 

Apple doesn't make limited use disposable stuff for the low end?  They sure do.  Quality standards of what?  A good quality Nano?  Shuffle?  Lots of stuff that makes no sense (between the stuff that does click) if you plug it into an Apple meter of highest quality and caring not about the low market.   They fill whatever $200 market there is to fill.  They make plenty of "quality" hardware that's cheap enough to give as a gift and useless enough that you wouldn't give one to yourself.  Apple has made Shuffle/Nano end stuff for ages, under Jobs, and they're good only for the few things they feebly do and only for their gym niche market.  Never stopped them from revamping them.

 

You may not see why a smaller Pad with less than stellar resolution, the best camera, and fastest processor has any reason to exist, but those are the very reasons FOR it to exist, and it will no way come out at $399.

 

And it'll sell a gagillion.


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post #48 of 83
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I'll answer that, but let's set the context.   Apple first releases an iPad mini that fits their standards.  It's a 7.85in Retina display, the A5X chip with 1GB RAM, a 5mp camera with FaceTime front cam, etc.  Essentially a smaller, lighter, thinner version of the iPad 3.  And Apple brings it in at $399.

this $399 price tag would work only until the iPad4 isn't there. Because then the iPad3 would have that same price tag of the iPad mini, with the same specs but smaller screen.

Could we expect Apple not releasing another iPad for... how long? or the newer iPad wouldn't be 9,7 inch but bigger, for higher price tag than the actual new model?

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Kids in kindergarten, really? At that age pencil and paper is much more beneficial

There are iPad Stations in the Childrens rooms of some Brooklyn NY Public Libraries, at least the Park Slope Branch I was just in.   Several iPads, connected to a table.  Very popular.

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Apple doesn't make limited use disposable stuff for the low end?  They sure do.  Quality standards of what?  A good quality Nano?  Shuffle?  Lots of stuff that makes no sense (between the stuff that does click) if you plug it into an Apple meter of highest quality and caring not about the low market.   They fill whatever $200 market there is to fill.  They make plenty of "quality" hardware that's cheap enough to give as a gift and useless enough that you wouldn't give one to yourself.  Apple has made Shuffle/Nano end stuff for ages, under Jobs, and they're good only for the few things they feebly do and only for their gym niche market.  Never stopped them from revamping them.

You may not see why a smaller Pad with less than stellar resolution, the best camera, and fastest processor has any reason to exist, but those are the very reasons FOR it to exist, and it will no way come out at $399.

What they feebly do is play music in a tiny form factor. They're designed to do one thing and one thing only, and it's more than just the gym crowd that buy them. That's a bad example. Not the same thing nor for the same reasons.
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What they feebly do is play music in a tiny form factor. They're designed to do one thing and one thing only, and it's more than just the gym crowd that buy them. That's a bad example. Not the same thing nor for the same reasons.

It's a good example because some people can't understand why anyone would want such a limited function, no frills, limited "user experience" smaller device for less $$$, and some even say Apple doesn't go there.   With some of the reasoning given why a 7" less than fully decked out cheaper tablet is very bad idea these wouldn't never have existed, so it negates much of that reasoning.

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Yes, but these days, that just means they outsourced all of their manufacturing to mainland China.

Would be really funny if Pegatron outsourced to Foxconn.

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Apple doesn't make limited use disposable stuff for the low end?  They sure do.  Quality standards of what?  A good quality Nano?  Shuffle?  Lots of stuff that makes no sense (between the stuff that does click) if you plug it into an Apple meter of highest quality and caring not about the low market.   They fill whatever $200 market there is to fill.  They make plenty of "quality" hardware that's cheap enough to give as a gift and useless enough that you wouldn't give one to yourself.  Apple has made Shuffle/Nano end stuff for ages, under Jobs, and they're good only for the few things they feebly do and only for their gym niche market.  Never stopped them from revamping them.

 

You may not see why a smaller Pad with less than stellar resolution, the best camera, and fastest processor has any reason to exist, but those are the very reasons FOR it to exist, and it will no way come out at $399.

 

And it'll sell a gagillion.

 

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What they feebly do is play music in a tiny form factor. They're designed to do one thing and one thing only, and it's more than just the gym crowd that buy them. That's a bad example. Not the same thing nor for the same reasons.

 

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It's a good example because some people can't understand why anyone would want such a limited function, no frills, limited "user experience" smaller device for less $$$, and some even say Apple doesn't go there.   With some of the reasoning given why a 7" less than fully decked out cheaper tablet is very bad idea these wouldn't never have existed, so it negates much of that reasoning.

 

The reason iPods are a bad example is because they are VERY expensive for what you get. the Shuffle cost 3x as much as most 2GB music players with even less of a UI than most and the Nano has always costed 2-3x more than it's competition as well, and we see how expensive the new iPod Touch is...

 

And what's with the "limited user experience" thing? I'm pretty sure everyone expects the iPad Mini to do everything the big iPad can do for half the price. It's not going to be a book reader only. If Apple were to make it, it would probably still be well equipped just with older internals than the other iPads.

post #54 of 83
I think the problem here is that an iPad Mini would be a better product for women, or at least women who carry purses (and there aren't many women on these forums, so it seems like no one would want it.) Men don't tend to carry bags smaller than what would comfortably house an 11" Macbook air or standard iPad, so it doesn't seem to have much utility. Too big for your pocket, and other devices fit in any bag that you might own. If you had a purse, on the other hand, you could potentially take an iPad Mini with you everywhere (unlike an ultrabook or standard tab.)

The size of a book, drop it in your purse and go. Not appealing to men, but potentially there is still a reasonable female market.
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Funny you say "low tech" and then claim specs that match the new iPod Touch which was priced at $299 and only has a 4 inch screen mind you.

I'm surprised the rumor mill is still purporting the Mini real when all we've seen are "mockups" and not ACTUAL leaks.

If I were to place a bet, I'd say the iPad Mini ends up being a an "ipad 2" sized resolution screen with the specs of the new iPod Touch and only 100$ more than the iPod Touch.

That said, I'm not sold on it either. They might be principally targeted at "Comic/Manga/Book" formats which is roughly the size it's good for. But then again considering the iPhone 5's screen size bump, they could also just bump up the iPad 2 resolution and change the shape to be taller. I'm actually less sold on the iPhone 5's "larger screen" as I thought the screen size was just fine. There's little reason to upgrade to the iPhone 5 or iPad Mini from an an existing device other than "I don't have one yet" or "the one I have is 4 years old."

re:Pegatron , you might remember these guys under their previous name - AsusTek. Pegatron originally was a part of AsusTek. Asus is generally considered the highest quality OEM/Retail (motherboard) parts you can get. I'm not sure if that is true for Pegatron itself. as you never see anything labeled "Pegatron", just "made in China"
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Answer me this. How much ridicule would a competing device get on this forum if it had those specs and was announced tomorrow?

 

None at all. Proven hardware using a proven OS. Smaller form factor, different heat/power requirements and hence a good reason for using recent but not bleeding edge components.

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Kids in kindergarten, really? At that age pencil and paper is much more beneficial

Then what about charcoal and a cave wall?

Kids want to live and learn in the world they're born into, not the one their grandparents grew up in. Sheesh. Anyway, pencil and paper writing should be taught as art forms, since they're no longer needed for communication.
post #58 of 83
They may or may not introduce a mini. What's certain is that the iPad mini will not compete with the iPod touch. The iPod touch is a different device. Not just smaller - it has a different UI paradigm. You don't swipe to navigate. Like the iPad you mainly stay on the main screen and use tabs or popovers.

Similar prices don't matter. The iPod touch is still seen as a music player or a games player. The iPad is a tablet.

And as for not introducing cheap versions of iOS devices, the cheapest is $199. And that's incredible for what you get. In fact I can see the touches becoming phones someday. It's true that Apple like to bring in a more expensive model and close the price umbrella the next year, so we may see a mini at $399 this year dropping to $299 next, or at $350 dropping to $250.

It depends on whether they see competition in that space as being a big deal, or not.
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post #59 of 83
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Nobody is considering that the target market for an iPad mini might range from little kids in kindergartens and elementary grades to casual users who can carry one in a jacket pocket without worrying about it, situations where an expensive retina display would be overkill. The selling point would be sturdy metal construction that doesn't offend the parents' or the kids' sensibilities, and the Apple ecosystem, in which parents and teachers can load the tablets with good stuff for kids easily.

Everybody here except maybe herbapou is assuming the target buyer is themselves. They may get the retina screen eventually, or even right away for more money. But Apple shouldn't let the kinder market suffer with cheap plastic and laggy software. They have kids in Cupertino too.

I actually think the iPad 2 is better for really young children. I was at the Apple store on Saturday and the kids were having fun on the iPads. The buttons are really big in the learning games. A mini is better suited for adults who can more precisely manipulate smaller interfaces.

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I was all on board with an iPad mini and thought it would be a great seller and do amazing.

Then the iPod touch came out- $100 more than it should have been. That kills the iPad mini- period.

A4? Faulty A5s? Are you all delusional? Yeah- let's have Apple use 2-3 year old hardware and price it $100 MORE than the competition. I'm a "user experience" vs "specs" (android) guy as much as the next- but that would be absolutely ridiculous and apple would lose all credibility.
The iPad mini needed to be the exact specs of the iPod touch. And at the iPod touch price (could have been 8gb). That would have been $100 over the competition- but the quality build, Retina display, and iOS would have made it easily worth it.

As it stands- if the ipad mini comes out- you won't see it until late 2013- when the currnt iPod touch drops to $199 and they release the iPad mini @ $299.


The bottom line is the touch is ridiculously overpriced for what you get. I would've bought one at $199 (8gb is fine). But $299 is crazy- and I believe the sales will show it.

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I would've bought one at $199 (8gb is fine). But $299 is crazy- and I believe the sales will show it.

You can buy one at $199. What you can't buy is one of the new ones at $199.

What do you want, do you want them to go back to an inferior display quality for the Touch so it's cheaper?

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You can buy one at $199. What you can't buy is one of the new ones at $199.
What do you want, do you want them to go back to an inferior display quality for the Touch so it's cheaper?

I can buy a 2 year old one for $199? And it launched in 2010 at $229? What a deal!


No- I wanted the new one at $199. The A6, LTE, 1gb ram, 16gb, 8mp camera, bigger battery, amongst several other things could shave tons of cost over the estimated $168 it costs to make a new iPhone.
Give me the 4" retina screen, and 8gb memory (or 16- really, the cost difference wouldn't matter) for $199. Or- scrap the touch altogether and give me a $299 iPad mini that has the exact same guts, but is a 7.85" screen- doesn't even have to be retina. Either/or is fine.

$299 is crazy for a touch. I believe it will sell terribly at that price. The mini would have had slightly less margins (if no retina display)- but it would have sold tenfold over what the overpriced touch will- there is no question. Now- they wont make a mini for a while and likely won't sell many touches at all. The touch won't hurt apple- but it won't help. The mini would have helped a lot.

Just one guys opinion.
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...the estimated $168 it costs to make a new iPhone.

If that is your basis for your reasoning you're failing right from the start.

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Then what about charcoal and a cave wall?
Kids want to live and learn in the world they're born into, not the one their grandparents grew up in. Sheesh. Anyway, pencil and paper writing should be taught as art forms, since they're no longer needed for communication.

I'll know who to blame when your children can't fill out a job application.
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If that is your basis for your reasoning you're failing right from the start.

Why? Because R&D isn't included? Ok. Why else?

And do you not agree or have any retort to the rest of my post? Are you claiming you believe the new touch at $299 would outsell a non retina iPad mini with the same guts as the new iPod touch? Or do you think the mini sales would so dwarf the touch it wouldn't be funny?

Because in a nutshell, that's what happened. They made a touch that will sell minimally, instead of a mini that would have sold (likely) like hotcakes.

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post #66 of 83
There's a pretty simple and Apple-ish solution to the entire problem: remove the main camera, give the iPad Mini the same CPU (but not RAM) as the iTouch 5 and same resolution as the iPad 2 and presto, a $250 iPad aiming at the portable gaming and reading tablet markets that is unlikely to cannibalize iTouch sales!
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I'll know who to blame when your children can't fill out a job application.

That would be my great-grandchildren, thank you very much—if I had any kids to begin with.

When I was in elementary school, they were trying to teach us "penmanship" with ink bottles, steel pen points stuck in a wooden handle, cheap paper "composition books" that dragged on the pen tip in an irritating way with every upstroke. There were inkwells in the scarred maple school desks with ink stains all around them.

Meanwhile, we knew there were ballpoint pens and typewriters in the real world, but did those antiquarian educators care about that, enough to teach us with those tools? Rather than torture us with 30-year-old technology?

Like I said, teach writing as an art form, including filling out applications. Also teach touch typing on an iPad or whatever is current for communication. Engage the kids, don't torture them.
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I was all on board with an iPad mini and thought it would be a great seller and do amazing.
Then the iPod touch came out- $100 more than it should have been. That kills the iPad mini- period.
A4? Faulty A5s? Are you all delusional? Yeah- let's have Apple use 2-3 year old hardware and price it $100 MORE than the competition. I'm a "user experience" vs "specs" (android) guy as much as the next- but that would be absolutely ridiculous and apple would lose all credibility.
The iPad mini needed to be the exact specs of the iPod touch. And at the iPod touch price (could have been 8gb). That would have been $100 over the competition- but the quality build, Retina display, and iOS would have made it easily worth it.
As it stands- if the ipad mini comes out- you won't see it until late 2013- when the currnt iPod touch drops to $199 and they release the iPad mini @ $299.
The bottom line is the touch is ridiculously overpriced for what you get. I would've bought one at $199 (8gb is fine). But $299 is crazy- and I believe the sales will show it.

 

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I can buy a 2 year old one for $199? And it launched in 2010 at $229? What a deal!
No- I wanted the new one at $199. The A6, LTE, 1gb ram, 16gb, 8mp camera, bigger battery, amongst several other things could shave tons of cost over the estimated $168 it costs to make a new iPhone.
Give me the 4" retina screen, and 8gb memory (or 16- really, the cost difference wouldn't matter) for $199. Or- scrap the touch altogether and give me a $299 iPad mini that has the exact same guts, but is a 7.85" screen- doesn't even have to be retina. Either/or is fine.
$299 is crazy for a touch. I believe it will sell terribly at that price. The mini would have had slightly less margins (if no retina display)- but it would have sold tenfold over what the overpriced touch will- there is no question. Now- they wont make a mini for a while and likely won't sell many touches at all. The touch won't hurt apple- but it won't help. The mini would have helped a lot.
Just one guys opinion.

 

Completely agree.

 

When the new Touch was announced Apple pretty much put a nail in the "iPad Mini" coffin.

 

Honestly all the iPods last week released are overpriced. 

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Probably promulgated by people who see a 4G iPad "mini" as killing the ever growing Galaxy S's. A cheap data-only plan and a reasonably priced pad that is pocketable (with a big pocket).

Bu bye Galaxy that's set to clear 5.5 inches (?) on it's next bloat.
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Probably promulgated by people who see a 4G iPad "mini" as killing the ever growing Galaxy S's. A cheap data-only plan and a reasonably priced pad that is pocketable (with a big pocket).
Bu bye Galaxy that's set to clear 5.5 inches (?) on it's next bloat.

A cellular radio will jack up the price considerably. That's why 7" tablets are wifi only.
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I was all on board with an iPad mini and thought it would be a great seller and do amazing.
Then the iPod touch came out- $100 more than it should have been. That kills the iPad mini- period.
A4? Faulty A5s? Are you all delusional? Yeah- let's have Apple use 2-3 year old hardware and price it $100 MORE than the competition. I'm a "user experience" vs "specs" (android) guy as much as the next- but that would be absolutely ridiculous and apple would lose all credibility.
The iPad mini needed to be the exact specs of the iPod touch. And at the iPod touch price (could have been 8gb). That would have been $100 over the competition- but the quality build, Retina display, and iOS would have made it easily worth it.
As it stands- if the ipad mini comes out- you won't see it until late 2013- when the currnt iPod touch drops to $199 and they release the iPad mini @ $299.
The bottom line is the touch is ridiculously overpriced for what you get. I would've bought one at $199 (8gb is fine). But $299 is crazy- and I believe the sales will show it.

 

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I can buy a 2 year old one for $199? And it launched in 2010 at $229? What a deal!
No- I wanted the new one at $199. The A6, LTE, 1gb ram, 16gb, 8mp camera, bigger battery, amongst several other things could shave tons of cost over the estimated $168 it costs to make a new iPhone.
Give me the 4" retina screen, and 8gb memory (or 16- really, the cost difference wouldn't matter) for $199. Or- scrap the touch altogether and give me a $299 iPad mini that has the exact same guts, but is a 7.85" screen- doesn't even have to be retina. Either/or is fine.
$299 is crazy for a touch. I believe it will sell terribly at that price. The mini would have had slightly less margins (if no retina display)- but it would have sold tenfold over what the overpriced touch will- there is no question. Now- they wont make a mini for a while and likely won't sell many touches at all. The touch won't hurt apple- but it won't help. The mini would have helped a lot.
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Completely agree.

 

When the new Touch was announced Apple pretty much put a nail in the "iPad Mini" coffin.

 

Honestly all the iPods last week released are overpriced. 

 

I don't agree!  The iPod and the iPad (including the iPad Mini) are two (possibly three) different target markets.  I see no problem with the iPod pricing as Apple has little competition in the pmp market.

 

The full-size tablet is dominated by the iPad at several price points... however Apple has no entry in the "mini" tablet market.  Here, IMO, Apple needs to have a full-featured (by Apple standards) price-compteitive (within $50 of others) offering -- even if it has to sacrifice gross margin to enter the market.

 

Apple will place a stake in the ground saying "this is what a mini tablet is, and this is the price".  

 

Then the tablet buyer will have 3 choices:

  1. an inferior [competitive] mini tablet at a slightly lower price
  2. a superior Apple iPad Mini tablet at about the same price
  3. a superior Apple iPad (full size) at a higher price (but still unmatched by competition)

 

In reality, the buyer only has two choices -- the iPad Mini or the [full size] iPad.

 

Apple has never been afraid to let prices overlap for different categories or when addressing different target markets.

 

From a "total tablet market" perspective, an iPad Mini with models priced $249-$399 makes perfect sense.

 

 

Then, Apple will need to determine if it needs to address the market (if any) for an 11" - 17" tablet.


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That would be my great-grandchildren, thank you very much—if I had any kids to begin with.
When I was in elementary school, they were trying to teach us "penmanship" with ink bottles, steel pen points stuck in a wooden handle, cheap paper "composition books" that dragged on the pen tip in an irritating way with every upstroke. There were inkwells in the scarred maple school desks with ink stains all around them.
Meanwhile, we knew there were ballpoint pens and typewriters in the real world, but did those antiquarian educators care about that, enough to teach us with those tools? Rather than torture us with 30-year-old technology?
Like I said, teach writing as an art form, including filling out applications. Also teach touch typing on an iPad or whatever is current for communication. Engage the kids, don't torture them.

So don't learn how to write is your take? Offer it as an optional art class. How about math? Just let them use calculators? It's you're thinking that's making our kids dumber
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So don't learn how to write is your take? Offer it as an optional art class. How about math? Just let them use calculators? It's you're thinking that's making our kids dumber

 

Hardly. Inability to use a computing device in this day and age would constitute "dumbness". 

 

I'll never have kids, but I would have absolutely wished them to not only know how to write, but write in cursive. In addition to being on the bleeding edge of technologies and operating things that even I would consider "newfangled stuff". 

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So don't learn how to write is your take? Offer it as an optional art class. How about math? Just let them use calculators? It's you're thinking that's making our kids dumber

 

Hardly. Inability to use a computing device in this day and age would constitute "dumbness". 

 

I'll never have kids, but I would have absolutely wished them to not only know how to write, but write in cursive. In addition to being on the bleeding edge of technologies and operating things that even I would consider "newfangled stuff". 

As a career, being a cutting edge technology expert will probably pay a living wage, but if you want your kids to be financially successful you should hope they become lawyers or politicians.wink.gif

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As a career, being a cutting edge technology expert will probably pay a living wage, but if you want your kids to be financially successful you should hope they become lawyers or politicians.wink.gif

 

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As a career, being a cutting edge technology expert will probably pay a living wage, but if you want your kids to be financially successful you should hope they become lawyers or politicians.wink.gif

 

You forgot moderators.

 

You can never forget moderators....

 

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OT:  has Apple released the total number of iP5 preorders for the weekend?

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So don't learn how to write is your take? Offer it as an optional art class. How about math? Just let them use calculators? It's you're thinking that's making our kids dumber

 

Hardly. Inability to use a computing device in this day and age would constitute "dumbness". 

 

I'll never have kids, but I would have absolutely wished them to not only know how to write, but write in cursive. In addition to being on the bleeding edge of technologies and operating things that even I would consider "newfangled stuff". 

As a career, being a cutting edge technology expert will probably pay a living wage, but if you want your kids to be financially successful you should hope they become lawyers or politicians.wink.gif

 

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The reason iPods are a bad example is because they are VERY expensive for what you get. the Shuffle cost 3x as much as most 2GB music players with even less of a UI than most and the Nano has always costed 2-3x more than it's competition as well, and we see how expensive the new iPod Touch is...

 

And what's with the "limited user experience" thing? I'm pretty sure everyone expects the iPad Mini to do everything the big iPad can do for half the price. It's not going to be a book reader only. If Apple were to make it, it would probably still be well equipped just with older internals than the other iPads.

The "limited user experience" was just riffing on the famous Jobs line about why Apple wasn't considering a smaller form tablet, which some folks here still take literally, even as we know now he was just playing us.  My point is that, regardless of the spin, nobody is expecting a smaller, less expensive, lower res iPad to provide the same or comparable user experience as the top end model, yet it offers something that most definitely fills a niche.  When MacVicta says the only scenario that makes any sense is for a high end iPad that's just a smaller size and sells for $399, I say, that's the scenario that doesn't make any sense and won't happen.  The "Apple can't sell for less than xxx because they only make high quality products" is forgetting about a huge segment of consumers who do buy Apple, but they look at the lower end.

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So don't learn how to write is your take? Offer it as an optional art class. How about math? Just let them use calculators? It's you're thinking that's making our kids dumber

No, I'm saying REALLY learn how to write. Pay attention. I never said teaching writing as an art form should be optional, did I?

Teaching writing as an art would move the subject from drudgery, where it used to be when it was the staple mode of communication, to an accomplishment that one wants to cultivate.

This may be too deep for some here to grasp, but the idea is that iPads for kids need not cripple their writing skills. In fact, apps can be conceived of that would teach writing better than the old pre-electronic methods. Writing IS an art form, always has been, but it's been treated as a joyless discipline. In the electronic age, it has to be taught in context if you want kids to be engaged.
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