Originally Posted by BRussell
Romney's problem isn't Romney, it's his party. There's nothing wrong with Romney as an individual. He's got a great image - good looking, well spoken, he's successful, he was a governor and a business man and has been in other forms of public service. He's a technocrat, he's not ideological. He's the ideal candidate.
But you can't BOTH get the support of the party that has convinced itself that the conservative Obama is a socialist Muslim destroying the fabric of the country AND win the election. There's a reason all these polls are showing so few Republicans: Because the other 80% of the country looks at the modern conservative Republican and says WTF?
I disagree completely. Romney is running against a President who (possibly brilliantly) refuses to campaign on his record and his plans for the future. That President is aided by a mainstream media that is 100% in the tank for him and out destroy his opponent. Romney is being portrayed as a gaffing, selfish, out-of-touch Thurston Howell-type. It's not the party at all. At the end of primaries, the party settled on someone who wasn't a Tea Party firebrand or member of the religious right.
Originally Posted by BRussell
He can't say he misspoke, because this isn't some mistaken wording or gaffe. The idea he conveyed - not just the narrow language, but also the basic principle - is a core conservative belief today, as wrong and as stupid as it is.
Again, you assume that Romney actually believes 47% of the American people are moochers, including retirees and those on veterans' benefits. I don't believe that's true at all.
Originally Posted by Harald II
That's true, Muppetry.
I guess I just push it because it kinds of tickles me there are some on the board who will not, cannot, entertain the idea their boy could make a mistake. They've even been saying Romney was harried for telling the truth, rather than that he didn't mean it, or mis-spoke.
Kind of like how I go to winsupersite.com from time to time, just to see a True Believer in action.
Assume you're referring to me, at least in part. I happen to agree he made a mistake. The mistake he made, as muppetry pointed out earlier, is that he combined (or confused) the 47% of people that pay no federal income taxes with those who will never support him because they are in permanent or semi-permanent state of being on the public dole. Obviously there are many people in that 47% (49% actually) who don't pay federal income tax for very good reasons (those who live mostly on SS, those who have veterans' benefits, certain disability benefits, etc.). I can't speak as to why he did that, but I do know that his comments were both off-the-cuff and not intended for public consumption. This wasn't some planned speech...it was part of remarks made to a private fundraiser. In the broader context, his point regarded the people he was trying to reach politically.
But none of that matters, because you'd rather add to the narrative that Romney is a rich asshole.