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The problem with this line of reasoning is that Apple removed the Map app that users preferred. No one would argue that Apple shouldn't produce their own mapping service if they fell they can do something better or different than current offerings but to eliminate the competition by virtue of 'it's my football and we play by my rules' attitude is a problem. Google Maps should be an option, at least in the interim. Apple can't possibly be so blinded by their own ego to think that their new Maps app is even close to being as full featured and comprehensive as Google Maps was.

Silly argument. How can you say I preferred google maps? How many other mapping systems are out there outside of google maps that people use on a daily basis(there are over 13,000 on the app store alone)? Apple hasn't elminated the competition. Google is free to produce their own mapping application. Ego? You don't think Apple knows this is their first iteration of maps?

What other Maps app did you prefer to use on iOS before? I did not read anywhere in 278 posts here that anyone did not prefer Google Maps over the new Apple maps. We have yet to see a stand alone Google Maps app for iOS and I suspect we will not or else they would have released it on the same day they released the stand alone YouTube app. Fortunately, I can use the mobile web version sans Street View so I have no issues really. I can count on one hand the times I have used Street View on iOS so I'm not complaining. I only suggested that many users would prefer a choice of either their original Google Maps or the new Apple maps as indicated in overwhelming dissatisfaction expressed by at least this forum's membership.

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post #282 of 472

I searched for my old house when we lived in England...all you can see is a cloud over West Bergholt and Colchester.  HAHA

 

I am sure it will get fixed, but come on, really?
 

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But on the other hand, Google's new iOS YouTube app is a million times better than the old one, so we're not exactly missing anything. We got rid of the old crusty s**t, and get a new, better app out of it. I say it's a Win-Win 1smile.gif

Agree 100% - great App.
On the other hand if I were Google I would take my time slooooow to give iPhone users a new Google Map App w Street View. Why aid the completion?
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But on the other hand, Google's new iOS YouTube app is a million times better than the old one, so we're not exactly missing anything. We got rid of the old crusty s**t, and get a new, better app out of it. I say it's a Win-Win 1smile.gif

Agree 100% - great App.
On the other hand if I were Google I would take my time slooooow to give iPhone users a new Google Map App w Street View. Why aid the completion?

Because I think users would immediately adopt it in great numbers as their default map app even with the ads, tracking and all.

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post #285 of 472
Why can't Apple just give us the old App back ?
Surely it's not going to stop working if you don't upgrade to ios6- is it?
It was like a basic iPhone given since day one - a great app. This really is not good.
post #286 of 472

OK guys, let's just sit back and relax for a bit. Some afternoon laughter is in store. From the same link I posted earlier:

 

 

 

If you can't laugh, you have no soul lol.gif

post #287 of 472
New maps app seems exellent, nice crisp layout perfect rendering.
The street I live in has the correct name now, something Google never managed to get right (even after 6 years).
Maps geographic info will be as good or better than the old one within the year.

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post #288 of 472

Apple really messed this one up. I am so disappointed with the maps app. No street view? This made my iphone so useful and now it's gone, not to mention that it seems to take the server forever to process my requests!

 

Terrible move by Apple. They should have really done a better of job of considering the user's needs and desires instead of just trying to 'compete' with Google.

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Thank you for posting Google Maps from 3 years ago on Android 2.2. If you're going to have a discussion, at least bring relevant information, and don't bother trying to tell me everyone runs an old version of Android, Maps updates independently.

 

I just picked an image (the first image) that came up in a Google image search for Android maps.  

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I just don't see a 1.0 release that is so messed up as acceptable.

 

Then you don't consider Google Maps' original launch acceptable.

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post #291 of 472

Stop whining and punch the button marked "Report a problem"   Maps, all maps, since before Christopher Columbus all improved with more users and more use.  Get over it.

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Setting aside my kneejerk "Ugh!" attitude to your praise of crowdsourcing (and why should I be Apple's free cartographer; I just want to *use* the map!), this is not simply about missing or broken data.  For example look at the images of Bowling Green State University on that tumblr link - in the Google image, the building outlines and names are shown, as are footpaths.  One source, all the info I need (were I to ever go to BGSU, that is...).

On the Apple map, all that's shown are surrounding streets (in a vibrant white-on-off-white scheme) and a big polygon labelled Bowling Green State University - with *zero* interior information.  So if I want to go to a particular building on campus, Apple *might* get me there (if the data's right, and if I'm not using public transit), but then I'd have to open up the university's website and hunt for a map to find the building.  This does not strike me as the sort of thing that "free crowdsourcing" is going to fix; this is a conscious decision to eliminate an entire class of data.

High Jeff,

I'm totally comfortable with Siri and Maps. They're on the scale and model of human evolution. They, as we all, will prove to be quicker learners than gory algorithms and 'extraordinarily private', privacy-probing institutions.

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Good thing Google Maps are perfect! Oh, wait!









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Good thing Google Maps are perfect! Oh, wait!









How old are those images... especially the ones with the directions listed? The Google Maps web interface hasn't looked like that in years.

 

On the other hand:

 

 

post #295 of 472
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post

 

All your points here are valid, and even this image is, in spirit, except I believe that in this specific instance the road is a one-way south (while the part of the road north of Market St. is one-way north), so those directions are correct. I could be wrong, though. 

 

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How old are those images... 

 

… What's this? Things can change… over TIME? You mean problems can be fixed? 

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post #296 of 472
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I mostly agree with your comments and posts on AI! 

 

But here, I disagree.

 

Anything worth doing, is worth doing... even if that means doing it badly.

 

In a "game" that involves experience [usage] and catching up with the leader -- the sooner you enter the "game" the better!  Apple is likely 1-2 years behind Google in mobile mapping data (just the map data, not street view, traffic, Public Trans or 3D).  

 

If Apple were to wait a year -- they would still be 1-2 years behind... maybe even more.

 

 

Apple's acquisitions for mapping have a lot more potential than just a mobile maps app -- PlaceBase * and the PushPin * API do [did] things that Google Maps cannot do;  Apples 3D is superior in speed and rendering over Google 3D. Entry into the mobile map market will allow to refine the mobile offering as well as these additional, unreleased, capabilities.

 

* Search for these terms and you will find some writeups on some pretty amazing interactive mapping capabilities.   Unfortunately the articles reference demo web sites that are no longer available.   

 

Basically, you had a base (zoomable, pannable, terrain, etc.) maps layer and overlays... Through a simple scripting API you could overlay almost anything on a map (age, median income, years of college, other census data, political data, adult book stores...).  And you could interactively change/combine the overlays.

 

 

I agree that the app has great potential. That's obvious. But from what I can see there are some very basic flaws that make a lot of teething problems much less excusable. 

 

Let's agree to disagree.  ;)

 

I see your point, yes, Apple *has to* at some point release *something*, and given that they're new to this area in comparison to Google, they might as well release it and get the ball rolling. It just seems to really stick out and stand apart from what we're used to with Apple. In my view, Siri teething pains are fine, hell . . . even Final Cut Pro feature removals, because in one instance we have a beta product that is useful but still a novelty, so Apple can afford to experiment. On the other hand we have an app that Pros use, but that doesn't affect the bulk of the market. 

 

The thing here is, is that *this* is an app that is part of core functionality, used by everyone. Maybe it's unreasonable to expect Apple to get it right the first time out, no matter what. In which case, I'd expect Tim Cook to work something out with Larry Page, until Apple can actually get their app competitive, which it really isn't.  Or maybe an agreement between Apple and Google is no longer possible . . .  

post #297 of 472
I have a friend who lived in Manhattan in Tribeca, he ended up on Staten Island. Worked fine in the google version. I think that Apple released this app way to early, very unlike Apple. Steve probably would have been very upset to say the least. That being said other than the location errors, I do like the way the App looks and performs. It will give you directions contrary to what I understood another poster said. I think this will be an improvement once the map works properly. BTW there is some fine print on the flip over page that has a place to report errors. Which makes me wonder if they are using us as beta testers, which would be fine if we were let in on the secret.
post #298 of 472
Umm...because Google Maps hasn't ever mistaken a search query?
Sheeh, chill folks.
If you miss Google Maps so much, access it via Safari.
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… What's this? Things can change… over TIME? You mean problems can be fixed? 

Nobody is arguing that things can't change over time, but this is the equivalent of replacing your starting all-star NBA forward with a high school senior.

And iOS 6 Maps ain't no Kobe or Lebron 1wink.gif
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… What's this? Things can change… over TIME? You mean problems can be fixed? 

Exactly the point!

Apple has spent more than USD $1 bn on Apple Maps thus far.

What I notice is that those complaining are using the same few examples over and over again.

My street isn't on Google Maps even though the street has been here nearly two decades.


The thing is that Apple Maps is already in many ways better than Google Maps.

The fact that there are so many first posts in this thread suggests PostLoop (or their competitors) have been paid a bundle to spam the Internet with complaints about iPhone 5 and iOS 6.
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So… they never improved OS X from the 10.0 Public Beta. Got it. And what was "worsened" going from PowerPC to Intel?

 

I *think* bigpics is saying that Apple was up-front right from the start about the fact that OS X 10.0 was a stepping stone to greater things, and that there would, indeed, be some initial growing pains in the initial transition from the mature state of classic Mac OS.

 

The complaint, from this particular user, appears to be the that Apple's representation of this change in iOS 6 wasn't made with similar public caveats.  If Apple has made it explicitly clear up front that such growing pains could be expected, then I suspect bigpics wouldn't have had this complaint.

 

(I note, too, that during the OS X transition Apple kept Classic around for people who needed features that hadn't yet been migrated.  That would have been nice...)

post #302 of 472
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the interface for the new Maps app is great and flyover, where it is available, is nice eye candy. The issue in the app is the old adage: "garbage in, garbage out." The cartography is terrible compared to Google and Bing. I can't see streets due to the choice of light streets on a light background. Traffic is non-existent in many cities, or you see a few areas where crowd-sourced data exists.
If this was the maps we started with in 2007, no problem. However,we have had 5 years of using arguably the best dataset available in the world. And now, we are back 5-6 years in this department. Therefore, the user experience mantra has really been thrown out here.
Yes I understand Google didn't want to give turn-by-turn etc so Apple had to do something on their own. I don't miss Steetview or Transit directions much, but I miss the quality of the standard maps, period.

I agree with this post 0%. There is some great work put into the maps and the overall software is really good. But the data is very week. Apple needs a team of 2-3 thousand people working on these issues. Missing data, parks, much more fly over coverage, better contrast colors.

Buy MapQuest for gods sake. They have beautiful maps and better data. Use the report a problem and UPDATE THE ISSUES USERS POINT OUT. I see lots of potential in this app but they need to update often and iterate fast on this one. Updates every 2 weeks or so for the next year.
post #303 of 472
Worked just fine for me today.

It does guzzle a lot of energy though!
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
Nobody is arguing that things can't change over time, but this is the equivalent of replacing your starting all-star NBA forward with a high school senior.

 

Well-written analogy. But I think in this case I'd rather a 18 year old with his entire future to shape than a 35 year old with merely a history of success.


Originally Posted by lfmorrison View Post
I *think* bigpics is saying that Apple was up-front right from the start about the fact that OS X 10.0 was a stepping stone to greater things, and that there would, indeed, be some initial growing pains in the initial transition from the mature state of classic Mac OS.

 

The complaint, from this particular user, appears to be the that Apple's representation of this change in iOS 6 wasn't made with similar public caveats.  If Apple has made it explicitly clear up front that such growing pains could be expected, then I suspect bigpics wouldn't have had this complaint.

 

(I note, too, that during the OS X transition Apple kept Classic around for people who needed features that hadn't yet been migrated.  That would have been nice...)

 

Okay, I buy that. Note, though, that Google Maps, as with any other service, is accessible in Safari.


Originally Posted by Steven N. View Post
Buy MapQuest for gods sake. They have beautiful maps and better data.
 

I believe it was stated earlier that while Apple uses OpenStreetMaps, they don't use ALL of the data available there. And while, yes, OpenStreetMaps is incomplete, I don't see a reason for not using 1:1 100% of the content available through them online in the Maps app if they truly are using OSM as a source.

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OK guys, let's just sit back and relax for a bit. Some afternoon laughter is in store. From the same link I posted earlier:

 

 

 

If you can't laugh, you have no soul lol.gif

Haha thats fantastic!

 

Anyone know how much $$ it was costing Apple to license Google Maps on iOS?  I'm betting it was substantial after selling 100s of millions iOS devices

post #306 of 472

I'm not overly impressed with maps at all.  I was on a business trip yesterday and got totally lost because it sent me to an airport that wasn't operational.. the new airport (2 years old) wasn't listed on the map!

 

Also my wife couldn't find the number to a CVS pharmacy 3 miles from our house, because it didn't come up.

 

Apple has some serious work to do.. and on an app that I use all the time it better happen quick.

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the interface for the new Maps app is great and flyover, where it is available, is nice eye candy. The issue in the app is the old adage: "garbage in, garbage out." The cartography is terrible compared to Google and Bing. I can't see streets due to the choice of light streets on a light background. Traffic is non-existent in many cities, or you see a few areas where crowd-sourced data exists.
If this was the maps we started with in 2007, no problem. However,we have had 5 years of using arguably the best dataset available in the world. And now, we are back 5-6 years in this department. Therefore, the user experience mantra has really been thrown out here.
Yes I understand Google didn't want to give turn-by-turn etc so Apple had to do something on their own. I don't miss Steetview or Transit directions much, but I miss the quality of the standard maps, period.

 

5-6, years? Really? Let's talk in 6 months. Making a new maps from the ground up is a MASSIVE undertaking, and you need to combine so much data from so many sources. Yes, there will be mistakes. Many. But Apple no doubt has a ton of people working on this who are highly motivated to make it as good as possible as fast as possible. Google has been building up their data for 10 years. Cut them some slack, Apple maps will improve quickly, especially now with user data and that its in the hands of millions of people. Meanwhile, the rate of which Google maps is improving will also slow grealt,y as they will lose access and usage data from hundreds of millions of IOS users. I honestly think that in 1 year from now, it will be a wash, or close to it. Apple KNOWS they need to get this right, at the expense of a massive outry, and I have no doubt they're committing a ton of resources to it. It's no small feat.  Also, Apple would have not become a shadow of what it is to day with the mentality of some of you have, which is to leave development of such an important aspect of the OS in the hands of a competitior. 

 

PS- this thread is like a pot of honey for trolls. The 'Steve wouldnt have let this happen" is bullshit. It's very tough to gauge the quality of an unreleased map app which covers millions of roads, townds, cities, POIs, etc. Even Apple, with all its resources, wouldnt have been able to do that. It will get better now that its in the hands of people. 


Edited by Slurpy - 9/20/12 at 11:56am
post #308 of 472
Try to search for Cayman Islands on Apple Maps. Then do the same at maps.google.com and at maps.nokia.com See the difference for yourself. I kind of like Nokia maps!
post #309 of 472
Apple will improve its Maps app. That is inevitable. So any crying now are crocodile tears.

Apple is already using OpenStreetMap foundation's map information in some of its apps.

Thus, Apple can start adding OpenStreetMap's data to its TomTom and other data to improve its map data.

This is just the start.
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"Ire"?

 

Oh my.

post #311 of 472

An old bit of savvy advice from my days at IBM (when they had 97% marketshare of maimframe computers).

 

"When you do something, do it really well... or screw it up really bad -- They won't remember what you did... but they'll recognize your name!"

 

A year from now this will be a non-issue... and we'll all recognize the name Apple.

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post #312 of 472
It's this kind of thing that demonstrates how Apple will release a product that doesn't totally "delight" it's customers. It's not like Apple didn't know about all the problems their new map app had. The intentionally released a product that wasn't everything the their customers had come to expect, and even promoted it at the iOS 6 presentation months ago, which in retrospect was little more than lipstick on a pig.

Apple should have never made this move. They should have gone out of their way to work with Google to renew their contract with Google, all the while developing their own map app in secret (much as Google did to Apple with Android). Instead, Apple in a supreme act of arrogance has hurt its customer base substantially, and given new customers pause to consider buying the iPhone 5, and instead buying an Android phone, especially where map functionality is of primary importance to them. At least with Mobile Me customers had nothing to compare that debacle to, sadly, we have Google's maps and this just makes Apple look like hacks, covering their mistakes with flashy 3D flyovers that don't really add anything of substance.
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Well-written analogy. But I think in this case I'd rather a 18 year old with his entire future to shape than a 35 year old with merely a history of success.

 


It's the closest analogy I could think of lol.gif

 

But it's still not perfect. In the case of Google Maps, it doesn't deterioriate with age like an NBA player. It would only get better, stronger as it collects more data. Apple Maps is starting off years late and still has to compete with a juggernaut that is gobbling data and processing it like a madman. Apple will always have that usability gap since Google is so far ahead in the game and has its search engine to keep feeding data into Google Maps.

 

 

 

 

 

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So, I just did a side by side google web app and new map for southern california area Im in.

(Google immediately offers to save it to home screen... sly dogs)

 

But in generally as for pure mapping, the Apple map was easier to manipulate, could do the 3d... no biggie

I think I had to zoom with Apple a bit more to see items.

I have not tried the driving directions etc. do that this afternoon

 

so far I would say they are about the same sans street view(which is handy)

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post #315 of 472
The new maps are utter crap. Here, I said it.

I saw this coming in the beta firmwares, and I'm glad I kept my iPhone away from those. That said, I have iOS 5.1.1 firmwares for the iPad3,3 and iPhone4,1 should I ever need them. For now my iPad will remain on iOS 6 because I need it for development, but until Google releases a decent app to address this nonsense, I'll stay away from iOS 6 on the iPhone.

It's a lot less detailed than Google Maps and the search sucks as it can't even find my street despite the fact that it's right there on the map. It's also a lot worse than Google Maps when it comes to contrast. Who the hell had the brilliant idea to put white on yellow? And why weren't there accessibility experts at apple to stop that nonsense?

EDIT: Also, the thing is SLUGGISH on the iPad 3G! You move around and it refreshes at like 10-20fps.
Edited by Vaelian - 9/20/12 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by jfc1138 View Post
"Ire"?

 

Oh my.


"In my ire, I found myself betwixt the beleaguered Apple Maps and Google Maps doomed to advertisements…"

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An old bit of savvy advice from my days at IBM (when they had 97% marketshare of maimframe computers).

"When you do something, do it really well... or screw it up really bad -- They won't remember what you did... but they'll recognize your name!"

A year from now this will be a non-issue... and we'll all recognize the name Apple.

Like we didn't already, but I get your point.
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post #318 of 472

That must mean that google is intentionally screwing the iPhone app because if you try to load that up on an iPhone you get nothing.

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Gave this a try, heres what I got:
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post #319 of 472

So surprising that all the "competiton is good" posts on this site disappear when Apple launches a new product to compete with Google, not vice versa...

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Good thing Google Maps are perfect! Oh, wait!









It would be helpful to point out the errors that was wrong that are not obvious.

 

1st picture: exactly what was wrong with it? Pulling up a recent map shows everything is in the right spot.  Only thing I"m guessing is that you're given 3 choices due to traffic congestion and picking the shortest time.

 

edit: I found where the picture comes from.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381573,00.asp

 

its google's traffic routing update from a year ago.

 

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Google warned that it can't guarantee a faster route with Navigation, but "it will always try to get you where you're going as fast as possible."

 

You realize that pictures 5 and 7 are jokes/easter eggs right? In fact they are still there. The NY to tokyo one either tells you to swim or take a boat.


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