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post #201 of 246
9/20/12 at 11:09pm
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I had to walk 3 miles across the west area of Boston today, after upgrading last night. It was utterly horrible. I couldn't even see the public transportation stations at the wider zoom levels, the font was antiquated and ugly. I hope that gets resolved and would love to know where I can "complain" to apple.

It's a good question and there are several ways to do it:
1. Apple's support site
2. Make an appointment and let a Genius know
3. Email Tim Cook with specific suggestions. Even if he doesn't read it, someone at Apple will see it.

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post #202 of 246
9/20/12 at 11:20pm
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...and constitutes a huge hole in their record of 'it just works' meme.... NOT!

Not sure what your message is here.

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post #203 of 246
9/20/12 at 11:24pm

I don't know did anyone notice the big gaps that maps introduction brought. I don't care if i have to use external map app to browse, or use in browser.

The big problem for me is the fact that other apps that use maps feature now lack in functionality: 

Example: Booking.com app now shows empty island in greece that i wanted to book so i have no idea about relative position of hotel, Mobile.de app shows me empty map just outside of munich where i could see where the car is located...

This is decreased functionality. 

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post #204 of 246
9/20/12 at 11:25pm
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It's a good question and there are several ways to do it:
1. Apple's support site
2. Make an appointment and let a Genius know
3. Email Tim Cook with specific suggestions. Even if he doesn't read it, someone at Apple will see it.

I emailed Tim with a suggestion and he passed it on to a senior VP who's been in touch with me several times.

 

I emailed Steve Balmer once... you can imagine how that went lol!

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post #205 of 246
9/20/12 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by Shameer Mulji View Post

Apple definitely did the right thing by developing their own mapping service & they should be developing their own services that constitute a core technology of the platform.  Being in charge of your own destiny is far better than being dependent on another company especially one that has the potential and size to really compete with you.  But this is poor execution on Apple's part especially for a major service like Maps. As of now the two best mapping services for mobile devices are Google (for Android) and Nokia (for Windows Phone).  If enough people get put off by Apple's solution it 1) damages Apple's reputation and trust with consumers & 2) gives customers a reason to look at competing solutions which is good for the Android and Windows Phone platform. I'm not saying Apple is doomed as a company but this definitely puts a serious chink in their armor.

 

That's sort of a funny comment. Have you gone into the Maps app? According to the app, it now involves: TomTom, Acxiom, CoreLogic Inc., DigitalGlobe, DMTI, Factual, Getchee, INCREMENT P CORP, Intermap, LeadDog, Localeze, MapData Services Pty Ltd, MDA Information Systems, Urban Mapping, Waze, Yelp, and about another couple dozen data sources. Honestly, that hardly puts them in real charge of their own destiny. Apple was just as much in charge of the previous app too except the data source was primarily Google. Nothing has really changed except for dropping Google.

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post #206 of 246
9/20/12 at 11:46pm

Google Maps in South Africa sucked. A lot.

The new Maps app has way more content and so far has been quite accurate.

It is true, I have spotted one or two labels which are slightly off, but that isn't a huge issue considering that on Google Maps there were just street names. No business', no petrol stations, no shops or restaurants.

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post #207 of 246
9/21/12 at 12:09am
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I am glad I have not updated to iOS 6. I'll be holding off for a while. There is no going back once you update.

Don't dramatize it! You can "go back" if you know what you're doing. That's not really the way Apple markets itself though. Having to know how to roll back your operating system that is...

However, restoring your device to an earlier version also means it may not work with iTunes correctly if you upgrade that of course. Also your device might not work correctly with all of the updated Apple apps, Apple TV, Airport base stations and others. (Just a scenario. It may or may not work. I haven't tried testing this scenario)
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post #208 of 246
9/21/12 at 12:13am
Well, now that the NDA is over, iOS6 Maps has sucked for months. I would say told ya so except I couldn't tell ya so. Maybe I did say though, can't remember.
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post #209 of 246
9/21/12 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by Danielrucci View Post

I had to walk 3 miles across the west area of Boston today, after upgrading last night. It was utterly horrible. I couldn't even see the public transportation stations at the wider zoom levels, the font was antiquated and ugly. I hope that gets resolved and would love to know where I can "complain" to apple.

I'm guessing you've never been to Boston. The "T" goes everywhere (if you're into public transportation) so you should never walk three miles. Also every gate is clearly marked (remember they have to cater to sub par IQ's - common denominator) so going where you need is simple and VERY clearly marked.

You could have asked ANYONE "Where's the closest "T"" and would have gotten your destination.

There are Taxi's in Boston...

Lastly, you could have called me! :o). I would have picked you up or sent someone to pick you up and bring you to where you needed to go. Alas, it seems like you're one of those humans who can not fathom talking to the rest of us so I probably would not want to speak with you!

:oP

On a side note, I was actually demonstrating Siri integrated with the new maps app to friends and we were all profoundly intrigued by how accurate it was. In Boston! "Siri, get me directions to Stephanie's house." "Siri, get me directions to M.I.T.". Works like a charm!

Disclaimer: I don't like the resolution of the new maps app. Especially in my Weather Chanel app. I think is looks like it would by kids given crayons!
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post #210 of 246
9/21/12 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by Ray Bart View Post

Scott Foreskin.., I mean Forestall, do the right thing and resign now. you are accountable for this mess. I'm sure that you can get a job selling lawn mowers with that smug smirk of yours.


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I'm calling it!

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post #211 of 246
9/21/12 at 1:09am
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Well, now that the NDA is over, iOS6 Maps has sucked for months. I would say told ya so except I couldn't tell ya so. Maybe I did say though, can't remember.

 

I had hoped from the first day that they will make it usable by GR.

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post #212 of 246
9/21/12 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by MyKey View Post

Google Maps in South Africa sucked. A lot.

The new Maps app has way more content and so far has been quite accurate.

It is true, I have spotted one or two labels which are slightly off, but that isn't a huge issue considering that on Google Maps there were just street names. No business', no petrol stations, no shops or restaurants.

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post #213 of 246
9/21/12 at 1:24am
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Well, now that the NDA is over, iOS6 Maps has sucked for months. I would say told ya so except I couldn't tell ya so. Maybe I did say though, can't remember.

...and most of the "developers" who are supposed to be TESTING the software are not actually developers or people who report bugs/problems. They are not really TESTING anything at all. I would really love to know the actual ratio. The percentage must be staggeringly low!

I did notice Apple stopped announcing how many "developers" they have... During their keynotes.

It would be advantageous if, in order to be a developer, you needed to submit one "1" bug report per 1 year license. Just imagine how much they could accomplish if every supposed developer were to submit just one bug or improvement idea!

As I see it, Apple is operating in the dark right now. They're going by how everyone uses their device (which is monitored if you allow, and if not they ask you if they can every time you plug it in). That's "skating to where the puck is".

To me it looks like Apple is funding developer support. i.e. Zynga, Angry Birds and others. Apple even stated numerous times that "We've worked with this developer to make sure everything is optimized with ______". I wish developers would work more with Apple...

In this case though, where it's an "In house solution". The supposed "developers" should have at lest submitted something of use to Apple. Maybe "What happened to the resolution?"
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post #214 of 246
9/21/12 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by Sasparilla View Post


They needed to, big time and they needed to keep the Google based Map app available while users helped improve the Apple data based one.  This could really do some serious PR damage right at product launch for their iPhone 5 and they could do so much better with it.

No. They do not "need to" keep Google Maps on the device, because they CAN'T! The contract has expired, and they do not want to sign a new one.

Also, just like Siri, Apple's strategy is to get people to use the new Maps, and offer their input. The more people that do this, the faster the Maps app becomes accurate. It's the very same strategy that Google used to get maps up and running well past 1.0.

Facebook, Twitter, DropBox, Pinterest... and just about every new platform and technological advance over the last few years has benefitted from it's users, their suggestions, and often tips from outside developers that use the platform.

In a years time, the Apple Maps with your help, will be FAR better than anything Google has or will have. They will be the "MySpace" of maps.

PS. One thumbs up for the above post... and wouldn't ya know it's from our favorite "D"esignated "H"itter.
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post #215 of 246
9/21/12 at 2:01am
I've wondered what you meant here. Supposedly my minutes are like hours... (Doesn't feel that way). If you did mean me, I'm not sure exactly what you meant. D.H. To me means DaHarder when I read this site... Although my counter points towards being a troll would mark me as a troll. i.e. owning something from Apple as Tallest states.

However if you did mean me, then Cool Beans!
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post #216 of 246
9/21/12 at 2:19am
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

I went for my morning walk today and due to the lack of street view, I can't find my house, now I am forever doomed to roam these nameless streets...

 

.../s

So far the best comment.

 

Goog fanatic this one is for you especially the one who cancelled his order and if he had he would make a fortune selling it in the mainland - a pretty dumb idea.

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post #217 of 246
9/21/12 at 2:23am
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Originally Posted by Vadania View Post

...and most of the "developers" who are supposed to be TESTING the software are not actually developers or people who report bugs/problems. They are not really TESTING anything at all. I would really love to know the actual ratio. The percentage must be staggeringly low!

Dude, I don't pay Apple to be a beta tester, I pay Apple for access to the developer program. I tested the new maps when the beta went up, noticed they sucked, never looked at them again. It's not my responsibility to test Apple products, if they want me to do it, they should be the ones paying me. I report problems that affect my code; the rest is of absolutely no relevance to me as a developer. It might be as a user, but I compartmentalize things, and my user's needs don't mix with my developer's needs.

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It would be advantageous if, in order to be a developer, you needed to submit one "1" bug report per 1 year license. Just imagine how much they could accomplish if every supposed developer were to submit just one bug or improvement idea!

That could probably be acceptable if the license was free, which it isn't. We don't pay Apple to work for them, we pay Apple to work for us..

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To me it looks like Apple is funding developer support. i.e. Zynga, Angry Birds and others. Apple even stated numerous times that "We've worked with this developer to make sure everything is optimized with ______". I wish developers would work more with Apple...

I wish people would pay to work for me as well, unfortunately they don't.

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In this case though, where it's an "In house solution". The supposed "developers" should have at lest submitted something of use to Apple. Maybe "What happened to the resolution?"

iOS betas are usually stable enough that reporting bugs actually makes sense, and it was the case for this one to, except for maps which had glaring problem in the search function. I opened it, noticed it couldn't even find my street that's charted right there on the map, closed it, never looked at it again, hoped it would eventually get fixed. If you're going to report obvious crap, they'll be flooded with spam and nothing will be addressed. It was clear to me since they 1 in the beta that Maps was a horrible mess, therefore I can not see how it was not clear to Apple that it wasn't ready for prime time.
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post #218 of 246
9/21/12 at 2:30am
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That's sort of a funny comment. Have you gone into the Maps app? According to the app, it now involves: TomTom, Acxiom, CoreLogic Inc., DigitalGlobe, DMTI, Factual, Getchee, INCREMENT P CORP, Intermap, LeadDog, Localeze, MapData Services Pty Ltd, MDA Information Systems, Urban Mapping, Waze, Yelp, and about another couple dozen data sources. Honestly, that hardly puts them in real charge of their own destiny. Apple was just as much in charge of the previous app too except the data source was primarily Google. Nothing has really changed except for dropping Google.

If all these companies are involved then Apple would know which company don' deserved to be paid for their services and also tell which is not on the ball and by what had happened all deserved a hard kick in the butt.

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post #219 of 246
9/21/12 at 2:53am
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Dude, I don't pay Apple to be a beta tester, I pay Apple for access to the developer program. I tested the new maps when the beta went up, noticed they sucked, never looked at them again. It's not my responsibility to test Apple products, if they want me to do it, they should be the ones paying me. I report problems that affect my code; the rest is of absolutely no relevance to me as a developer. It might be as a user, but I compartmentalize things, and my user's needs don't mix with my developer's needs.
That could probably be acceptable if the license was free, which it isn't. We don't pay Apple to work for them, we pay Apple to work for us..
I wish people would pay to work for me as well, unfortunately they don't.
iOS betas are usually stable enough that reporting bugs actually makes sense, and it was the case for this one to, except for maps which had glaring problem in the search function. I opened it, noticed it couldn't even find my street that's charted right there on the map, closed it, never looked at it again, hoped it would eventually get fixed. If you're going to report obvious crap, they'll be flooded with spam and nothing will be addressed. It was clear to me since they 1 in the beta that Maps was a horrible mess, therefore I can not see how it was not clear to Apple that it wasn't ready for prime time.

Dude! Dude?

First off, I am not a 'man' by any stretch of the meaning. If you can grasp this analogy better then let's just say I lack the "hardware".

Second. Dude is actually a slang term for a horses cock that supposedly only turned into an endearing mention in the late 80's around the time I was born. However others argue grammar much better than I here. To me grammatical use is defined by whether or not the individual understood what was originally intended. Mind you I get special training to overlook glaring instabilities.

Now lets get back to human relationships with software...

You're stating that you (implied) became a developer to TEST Apples new product. You actually agreed to a form of licensing. Also to declare in human terms, you agreed to inform Apple of any discrepancies, bugs, issues, inconsistencies, glaring omissions etc.

You are the epitome of what I stated before. You paid for the newest flavor. You have nothing to contribute, yet you you expect to have exactly what you want.

Did you at least submit a report stating what you supposedly want? If I hadn't seen your name earlier I would have thought you were being disingenuous.

By the way, Siri helped me post this. Siri works faster than I can type on my iPad. Siri posted this while I worked on something else. (I did edit)
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post #220 of 246
9/21/12 at 3:04am
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For those who are suggesting to use a 3rd party navigation app to fill in the gaps, my question is why pay for something (other than turn-by-turn) we were getting for free for the last 5 years?  I think it would've been a smart idea for Apple to tag the Beta label on this just like they did with Siri and wait till the app was good enough before releasing the Beta label.  

If you want offline maps then "Google Maps" are really the worst choice. They give a measly 10miles of offline maps for 30 days on androids. Apple Maps are much better. From what I hear due to the fact that they are vector-based, you get about 200+ miles of offline maps with apple maps.

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post #221 of 246
9/21/12 at 5:08am
Two solutions - MapQuest app and http://maps.google.com - until you find Apple's Maps acceptable. And for those who have not noticed it says right in the app that data is provided by TomTom and others - so its not as if Apple tried to build 100% of everything you see entirely from nothing.
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post #222 of 246
9/21/12 at 5:45am

Ah Streetview. The most clamored part of Google Maps. Also the most useless piece of data out there.  There are only 2 uses for Street View - novelty ("I can see the front of your house, how cool am I??") or for people incapable of reading a map or having the knowledge that, oh idk, all the evens are on one side and the odds are on the other side of the street...  We're breeding a nation of idiots who can't even read a damn map, guh...

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post #223 of 246
9/21/12 at 6:20am
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Ah Streetview. The most clamored part of Google Maps. Also the most useless piece of data out there.  There are only 2 uses for Street View - novelty ("I can see the front of your house, how cool am I??") or for people incapable of reading a map or having the knowledge that, oh idk, all the evens are on one side and the odds are on the other side of the street...  We're breeding a nation of idiots who can't even read a damn map, guh...

Generally, I can grant that. However, I've used it to show people what a building looks like and to point out the door they need to enter. A map only gets you so far, if you don't know what the building looks like that you're looking for, at an eye level view. It's easy to waste time looking for it, shooting past it, turning around, etc. all of which can be prevented with a single image. And an image is so much easier than describing it, drawing a hack sketch, etc.
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post #224 of 246
9/21/12 at 6:23am
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Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

Two solutions - MapQuest app and http://maps.google.com - until you find Apple's Maps acceptable. And for those who have not noticed it says right in the app that data is provided by TomTom and others - so its not as if Apple tried to build 100% of everything you see entirely from nothing.

Apple bought a satellite mapping company too. So it's not a 100% from scratch project, but Apple does that from time to time. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

All the map services largely buy from the same group of data providers, though it looks like Google by far provides the most detail. One down side is that it's a raster map, whenever you zoom, the server has to send you a new copy of the map adapted to your zoom level. Going vector is a clear step in the right direction for the future, but most map providers have a lot to do to catch up, not just Apple.
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9/21/12 at 6:43am
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If you want offline maps then "Google Maps" are really the worst choice. They give a measly 10miles of offline maps for 30 days on androids. Apple Maps are much better. From what I hear due to the fact that they are vector-based, you get about 200+ miles of offline maps with apple maps.

The 10-mile limit you mention for Google off-line maps was an old limitation dating back to when the feature was still in testing. That particular limitation went away several months ago with version 6.9 I believe. AFAIK, there's still a restriction of some kind but I've no idea if it's based on square miles, file size or something else. And for what it's worth Google maps for Android are vector too, just like Apple's.

 

EDIT: I found the limit is reportedly 80mb per off-line map, and up to six maps.

http://www.starkinsider.com/2012/06/google-maps-offline-gps-navigation-hands-on-review.html

I Knew it had to be larger than 10 miles as I have the area from just south of Tampa to just north of Orlando downloaded to my Nexus7 tablet. IIRC it was 60-70MB or so. Contrary to what the linked article infers I did use the off-line maps to successfully do turn-by-turn navigation on two different occasions. I'd have to check to see if it does a recalc if you deviate from the planned route (I suspect it does not), which of course has to be initialized/set-up over a wi-fi connection. The Nexus7 doesn't offer cellular.
 


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post #226 of 246
9/21/12 at 7:19am
I think a problem is that the Maps are just too bad, they shouldn't have been published in the first. There's no way I will find them useful for anything and there is too much missing or errors to report to Apple.
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9/21/12 at 8:14am
Originally Posted by IQatEdo View Post
Not sure what your message is here.

 

He thinks that "it just works" has any bearing on anything whatsoever. That's where he's going wrong.


Originally Posted by ojala View Post
I think a problem is that the Maps are just too bad, they shouldn't have been published in the first. There's no way I will find them useful for anything and there is too much missing or errors to report to Apple.
 

Then you don't have any right to complain. You have expressed that you don't believe they will ever improve or that they COULD ever even be improved, so why should we hear anything about what you'd like changed?

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post #228 of 246
9/21/12 at 9:09am
Cutting to the chase, in case it hasn't been pointed out in a while: Google maps usage is STILL available.

Yawn. And they even walk you through adding a shortcut icon to your home screen! lol

"The same Google Maps you are used to, now from your mobile browser" or some such as they note, with a remarkable amount of restraint I might add....
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post #229 of 246
9/21/12 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post

IF Apple doesn't get this Maps problem fixed by Tuesday Sept. 25, they can kiss their 10 million iPhone 5 unit sales number bye..bye...it'll br more like 10,000 and upgrades will dry up !
This is contra-Apple everywhere and constitutes a huge hole in their record of 'it just works' meme.... NOT!

The entire POINT of a smartphone is the ability to add what you want. That they bake a map app in in the first place is actually counter to that underlying fact.

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9/21/12 at 9:15am
Originally Posted by jfc1138 View Post
The entire POINT of a smartphone is the ability to add what you want.

 

Funny how before Apple did it, that wasn't the point.

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post #231 of 246
9/21/12 at 10:56am
That's an astute point. With 100B in the bank, why didn't they just buy TomTom and whoever else they needed to actually be the masters of their mapping destiny?

 

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That's sort of a funny comment. Have you gone into the Maps app? According to the app, it now involves: TomTom, Acxiom, CoreLogic Inc., DigitalGlobe, DMTI, Factual, Getchee, INCREMENT P CORP, Intermap, LeadDog, Localeze, MapData Services Pty Ltd, MDA Information Systems, Urban Mapping, Waze, Yelp, and about another couple dozen data sources. Honestly, that hardly puts them in real charge of their own destiny. Apple was just as much in charge of the previous app too except the data source was primarily Google. Nothing has really changed except for dropping Google.

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9/21/12 at 11:01am

You're clearly confused. Let me help...

FlyOver is novelty. In other words, it can't be used for any PRATICAL applications. It's a "gee-whiz" feature.

Street View is actually useful. If you're going to an unfamiliar area, you can look around and get your bearings first. I used it all the time and miss it now, along with biking and PT routes. Or are those novelties, too.

You apologists are hilarious. Just like Republicans, you'll say ANYTHING to get your point across, FACTS or REALITY be damned!
 

Originally Posted by bigmc6000 View Post

Ah Streetview. The most clamored part of Google Maps. Also the most useless piece of data out there.  There are only 2 uses for Street View - novelty ("I can see the front of your house, how cool am I??") or for people incapable of reading a map or having the knowledge that, oh idk, all the evens are on one side and the odds are on the other side of the street...  We're breeding a nation of idiots who can't even read a damn map, guh...


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9/21/12 at 11:15am

Glad I didn't upgrade my 4S.  Will wait till the service is up to par with google.

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9/21/12 at 11:46am
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Dude! Dude?

First off, I am not a 'man' by any stretch of the meaning. If you can grasp this analogy better then let's just say I lack the "hardware".

Second. Dude is actually a slang term for a horses cock that supposedly only turned into an endearing mention in the late 80's around the time I was born. However others argue grammar much better than I here. To me grammatical use is defined by whether or not the individual understood what was originally intended. Mind you I get special training to overlook glaring instabilities.

OK, dude, but don't forget that language evolves! There's also no need to go out of your way to tell me your gender and rough age unless you're looking for something else...

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Originally Posted by Vadania View Post

You're stating that you (implied) became a developer to TEST Apples new product. You actually agreed to a form of licensing. Also to declare in human terms, you agreed to inform Apple of any discrepancies, bugs, issues, inconsistencies, glaring omissions etc.

If I implied, I did not state, and I did not enroll in the program to test anything other than my own code on current and upcoming platforms, be able to run stuff I write that would never get accepted in the App Store on my own devices, and report bugs that prevent my own code from working on those platforms. I did not agree at any point to go out of my way to test Apple software. I Do Not Work For Apple!

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You are the epitome of what I stated before. You paid for the newest flavor. You have nothing to contribute, yet you you expect to have exactly what you want.

I have code to contribute, that's what developers do.

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Originally Posted by Vadania View Post

Did you at least submit a report stating what you supposedly want? If I hadn't seen your name earlier I would have thought you were being disingenuous.

What I want is Google Maps back, and we both know that's not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Vadania View Post

By the way, Siri helped me post this. Siri works faster than I can type on my iPad. Siri posted this while I worked on something else. (I did edit)

I don't dispute that (nor do I know what Siri has to do with this argument at all) as I love Siri as well (though you're actually referring to Dictation, not Siri) and use it daily to setup reminders and calendar events.

If Apple forced anyone to report anything, we'd all be submitting obvious stuff to meet the quota, thus defeating the final goal.
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9/21/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post

OK, dude, but don't forget that language evolves! There's also no need to go out of your way to tell me your gender and rough age unless you're looking for something else...
If I implied, I did not state, and I did not enroll in the program to test anything other than my own code on current and upcoming platforms, be able to run stuff I write that would never get accepted in the App Store on my own devices, and report bugs that prevent my own code from working on those platforms. I did not agree at any point to go out of my way to test Apple software. I Do Not Work For Apple!
I have code to contribute, that's what developers do.
What I want is Google Maps back, and we both know that's not gonna happen.
I don't dispute that (nor do I know what Siri has to do with this argument at all) as I love Siri as well (though you're actually referring to Dictation, not Siri) and use it daily to setup reminders and calendar events.
If Apple forced anyone to report anything, we'd all be submitting obvious stuff to meet the quota, thus defeating the final goal.

Not here to argue. I'm also not looking for "something else".

I do however love the Urban Dictionary link you provided. Next time I have an issue with a word I might just use the Ebonics dictionary...
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post #236 of 246
9/21/12 at 6:26pm
I had some trepidation, but I upgraded the iPad. I'm really impressed with how smooth it is. Getting away from raster maps really helps.
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post #237 of 246
9/21/12 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by Ray Bart View Post

Well good on you. Your experience should have been the experience of 99.99% of all upgraders, but we know that is not the case. Forstall is responsible for the FIASCO.

Don't throw out numbers you can't back up.
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post #238 of 246
9/21/12 at 6:48pm
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Well good on you. Your experience should have been the experience of 99.99% of all upgraders, but we know that is not the case. Forstall is responsible for the FIASCO.

Who says that it isn't? Show me 99.9% of comments about Apple's new Maps saying that it's less smooth than the old Maps app. You certainly won't because it's in this area where the new Maps absolutely shines.

"Goodbyeee…"

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"Goodbyeee…"

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post #239 of 246
9/22/12 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by Ray Bart View Post

Gee you guys are anal. 99.99% was used t make the point that all consumers of new products should not have to expect to encounter the problems that exist with Forstall's foray into mapping. Even if the problem is a lot less, it doesn't matter, Apple has egg on its collective face, Samsun g and Google employees are pissing themselves laughing and the internet is full of anti-apple tirades. Am I one of tose anti-Apple people? No, I'm a part owner of the company who doesn't want the brand tarnished by sub-standard launches of products. I want Forstall to be held accountable.

The past several months have been a bit chaotic at Apple. There's amazing talent but we can see how Steve Jobs was able to corral it into a sharp stick.
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post #240 of 246
9/22/12 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by Ray Bart View Post

Well good on you. Your experience should have been the experience of 99.99% of all upgraders, but we know that is not the case. Forstall is responsible for the FIASCO.

 

I read your post as congratulating someone for having a good experience, and 99.99% of upgraders should of had the same experience.

No matter what type of media...movies, music, books, photos and web pages

look better and sound better on the Kindle Fire HD than any iPad

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No matter what type of media...movies, music, books, photos and web pages

look better and sound better on the Kindle Fire HD than any iPad

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