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9/20/12 at 4:20pm
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When's the last time that Apple replaced something and then less than a year later everyone acknowledged that Apple's decision and outcome had become what was known as right?

Probably the original iPad, replacing what we knew as "tablets" before.

And then the iPhone, replacing what we knew as "smartphones" before.

So those bridges should be like that? Apple is right and reality is wrong?
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post #82 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:23pm
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I have a few honest questions for users of Google Maps on Android phones and Tablets:

 

  1. does it include ads?

          No

  1. is it tracking you?

          Yes but you can opt out of google's location services. This pinpoints your position using wi-fi and mobile network to determine approximate location.

  1. can you opt out of ads or tracking.

          No ads and See above

  1. would you prefer a private mapping mode?

          The location service doesnt bother me, but I would try if an app came out and looked better than Google Maps.

  1. is none of this a problem?

          To me I dont find it a problem. No ads so that's good.

 

 

 

An honest question for you, since I have never used an iPhone or iPad but am interested in apple's new products, does Apple's mapping service track you? And can you opt out of that?

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post #83 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:29pm
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So no one should ever complain about Apple software? If you do then you are a whiner? All the negative comments on iOS maps are justified. I'm a massive Apple fan and hate to see Apple make a mis-step but my reality distortion field isn't that strong.

If there were no other solutions, then I could see what the big deal is. Since there are other solutions out there, including Google's, which I read that they had submitted to the app store, then nope, I can't say that this is a big deal at all.

 

Apple's mapping solution is obviously not going to be as fully mature as others that have been out for many years. So, use others, like I said, I don't see the big deal. 

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9/20/12 at 4:30pm
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I don't discount anyone's woes, but to chime in with some good feedback..  I haven't experienced any issues in Southern California around Orange County..  So far it's been stable, fast, accurate and the Siri integration is awesome.   

Yes I tested everything related to the places I frequent in OC and everything was dead on the money location-wise.The ariel photography is a bit lower resolution than before and about a year or two older but it is ok.

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9/20/12 at 4:30pm
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It's just that the 'Flyover' is pretty until you get to the flatlands. Even as an urbanite without a car, I NEVER used Google maps for transit information. I tried it on line once and it directed me to catch two buses to a station for a train line, that had a station a mile from my home (one bus or a brisk walk away) and it could never distinguish between 'commuter' and 'public transit' train lines. Commuter lines ae from the city to the suburbs and public transportation lines are in the city and intercept with bus lines. So I ain't missing that at all.

 

Try 3D/Flyover while in Standard Maps view -- it gives you an interesting perspective that, sometimes, is quite useful.

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post #86 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:35pm

Apple's figuring out now (or learning, rather), that in this volatile market in 2012, OS map apps are serious business, and consumers won't tolerate losing key features on which they have come to rely. Apple would like a free pass, playing the "give it time" card. In my view, this time they shouldn't get one. 

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9/20/12 at 4:37pm

So far I like it , Its easy to say I need directions to this contact or something to that extent. I played with on my way to work and on a delivery even though I knew where I was going. It was more like a gps in a car which was nice, one less thing to bring. I think the turning directions could have been a little faster coming if you don't know where you are it would have been a little late. But i liked asking SIRI where I could park and she listed parking garages, and updated directions accordingly. I don't do mass transit so that wasn't an issue. It seemed more accurate for location and seemed faster loading then google maps. I'm happy with it, it will only get better.

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post #88 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:39pm
If you want google maps, stop your ******* whinging and just go to maps.google.com and there you have it. Apple maps haven't replaced google maps, they have just given you an option.
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post #89 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:39pm
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If there were no other solutions, then I could see what the big deal is. Since there are other solutions out there, including Google's, which I read that they had submitted to the app store, then nope, I can't say that this is a big deal at all.

 

Apple's mapping solution is obviously not going to be as fully mature as others that have been out for many years. So, use others, like I said, I don't see the big deal. 

 

I have to disagree here. The "don't worry, there are other solutions" seems like a massive cop-out, and a dangerous one. If that attitude persists, it could affect much more than a maps app. 

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post #90 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:42pm
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I went for my morning walk today and due to the lack of street view, I can't find my house, now I am forever doomed to roam these nameless streets...

.../s

Try looking up, that's where the street names are lol
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post #91 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:46pm

Bottom line:

 

Apple released an app that doesn't work the way it's supposed to, but have marketed it to give the impression of the contrary, and on top of that, have taken away all means for the consumer to go back to what they had before.

 

I'm not sure in what galaxy the Apple I know would have found this acceptable.

 

And yes, I'll say it: Steve would never have let this thing see the light of day in its current state. This screw-up definitely calls for some terminations at Apple. 

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post #92 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:47pm
Apple should have waited until their app was perfect before releasing it. Nevermind the fact that you need user generated data from millions of people in thousands of different locations all over the world to perfect a mapping platform. I truly believe had Apple's small team of 5 engineers and 8 software developers been willing to put in 24 hr shifts years at a time, partaking in hiking, boating, driving, flying, skiing, and hovercrafting all over the planet, this would have never happened. I mean, who really needs user generated data when you and twelve others can realistically scale every inch of the globe?

I'm pissed. I just canceled my new iPhone order and tomorrow I'm returning my new iPad. And if I'm still angry in a week, I'm returning my MacBook Air.

WebOS, here I come.
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post #93 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:47pm
Try MapQuest temporarily. It's FREE and has turn-by-turn.
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post #94 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:48pm
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I don't know why Apple decided to become a mapping company. Totally unnecessary, the Google Maps app was perfectly fine. These tedious little cat fights are what bring companies and countries crashing down by draining their talent and resources. 

 

Such as Google buying Android over concerns that they would be frozen out of mobile advertising?

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post #95 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:48pm
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An honest question for you, since I have never used an iPhone or iPad but am interested in apple's new products, does Apple's mapping service track you? And can you opt out of that?

 

No it does not. Apple have the best privacy policy of any mobile company. 

 

Just remember to bury the body deep.

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post #96 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:49pm
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Apple should have waited until their app was perfect before releasing it. Nevermind the fact that you need user generated data from millions of people in thousands of different locations all over the world to perfect a mapping platform. I truly believe had Apple's small team of 5 engineers and 8 software developers been willing to put in 24 hr shifts years at a time, partaking in hiking, boating, driving, flying, skiing, and hovercrafting all over the planet, this would have never happened. I mean, who really needs user generated data when you and twelve others can realistically scale every inch of the globe?
I'm pissed. I just canceled my new iPhone order and tomorrow I'm returning my new iPad. And if I'm still angry in a week, I'm returning my MacBook Air.
WebOS, here I come.


Seriously? All because of a map app?!

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post #97 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:51pm
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6 years ago I had a Nokia N95 with Nokia Maps, and it could find my street!

 

After a 15 minute wait to tune in to the satellites.

 

Ah, the past looks good through rose tinted glasses.

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post #98 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:51pm
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I went for my morning walk today and due to the lack of street view, I can't find my house, now I am forever doomed to roam these nameless streets...

 

.../s

 

 

LOL alright. This *is* funny.  

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post #99 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:51pm
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Apple released an app that doesn't work the way it's supposed to, but have marketed it to give the impression of the contrary, and on top of that, have taken away all means for the consumer to go back to what they had before.

No they haven't. What's prohibiting Google from releasing maps on iOS? Can you no longer buy Android phones?
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post #100 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:52pm
I don't understand why they didn't just play with the underlying data sources rather than try to go exclusive--- and ween themselves off of Google over the course of a year or so. I am also curious why they always seem to manage to bork wifi on all their products.
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post #101 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:52pm
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Seriously? All because of a map app?!
Oh God...

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post #102 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:53pm
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I don't know why Apple decided to become a mapping company. Totally unnecessary, the Google Maps app was perfectly fine. These tedious little cat fights are what bring companies and countries crashing down by draining their talent and resources. 

 

 

Come on, use some vision. Mapping will be absolutely ESSENTIAL in the future. Think augmented reality etc...

 

You are talking about todays reality, not tomorrows.

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post #103 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:56pm
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I have a few honest questions for users of Google Maps on Android phones and Tablets:

 

  1. does it include ads?

          No

  1. is it tracking you?

          Yes but you can opt out of google's location services. This pinpoints your position using wi-fi and mobile network to determine approximate location.

  1. can you opt out of ads or tracking.

          No ads and See above

  1. would you prefer a private mapping mode?

          The location service doesnt bother me, but I would try if an app came out and looked better than Google Maps.

  1. is none of this a problem?

          To me I dont find it a problem. No ads so that's good.

 

 

 

An honest question for you, since I have never used an iPhone or iPad but am interested in apple's new products, does Apple's mapping service track you? And can you opt out of that?

 

I don't think it tracks you as an individual or a device.  Apple has publicly stated that they do not furnish anything but aggregate user data to anyone -- they might provide something like: 300 users searched for directions to Taddish's Grill in SF...  Not Bill Jones iPhone #123456 asked for  directions from... to... on Sept 20 @ 12.23 PM.

 

Apple does supply two Apps that trace a device/person:

 

1) Find My Phone:  You have to know the device ID, own the iPhone or iPad and enable it to be traced (on the device itself).  The tracking must be refreshed every 10 minutes, or so,

 

2) Find Friends:  You email friends and they can opt in to be tracked by you for a given period of time -- you get their locations on a map and notifications when they move.  You never see their device ID and they can stop being tracked at any time.

 

 

Apple has its own advertising, iAD.  One of the contention points between Apple and Advertisers is that Apple will not supply them with granular information (like Google does) so they can track you as an individual.

 

Apple has the same contention with selling content (apps, Books, Music, Movies, TV, etc.).  Apple furnishes aggregate info -- the providers want granular info.

 

If I buy something from Apple, no one but Apple knows that I was the buyer and what I bought.

 

I have been dealing with Apple for 34 years -- and I have always found them to be fair and ethical... difficult, but fair and ethical.

 

 

OTH, Google has been shown doing and saying things that tell me they have no concern for my privacy.

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post #104 of 246
9/20/12 at 4:58pm
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Yes I tested everything related to the places I frequent in OC and everything was dead on the money location-wise.The ariel photography is a bit lower resolution than before and about a year or two older but it is ok.

 

The old Google maps app showed vacant land around where my house is, the street view showed a fence, vacant land and was taken from an adjacent street.

 

The new maps show some of the new houses that have been built but my house is still a vacant block.

 

Obviously Apple's photo's are newer in this part of the world.

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9/20/12 at 4:58pm
Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post
Come on, use some vision. Mapping will be absolutely ESSENTIAL in the future. Think augmented reality etc...

 

Google: Think Gimmicks™

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post #106 of 246
9/20/12 at 5:00pm
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So those bridges should be like that? Apple is right and reality is wrong?

 

Yep...

 

...in the world according to Wile E Coyote.

 

Meep meep!

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post #107 of 246
9/20/12 at 5:01pm
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Google: Think Gimmicks™

At least Google's service has features.

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9/20/12 at 5:02pm
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Google: Think Gimmicks™

 

You think Augmented Reality is a gimmick ? !

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9/20/12 at 5:03pm
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Try looking up, that's where the street names are lol

 

No, no, no...

 

...that isn't an option, I can't even find out how to catch a bus!!!

 

/s

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9/20/12 at 5:04pm
Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post
You think Augmented Reality is a gimmick ? !

 

In its present and projected implementations, yes. I've yet to see it plan to be used in a situation worth using it.

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9/20/12 at 5:06pm

LOL@ the one dude who cancelled his iPhone 5, returned his iPad and might return their Macbook Air. lol.gif And is heading to WebOS! lol.gif

 

I suggest that anybody else who is outraged at Apple's Maps also immediately return all of their Apple devices and leave the entire eco-system. That is the obvious logical choice.

 

I don't think that anybody has claimed that the Apple's map coverage is perfect, far from it, and Apple has a bit of work to do as it's lacking in some areas, but some of the reactions are just LOL. lol.gif

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9/20/12 at 5:10pm
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LOL@ the one dude who cancelled his iPhone 5, returned his iPad and might return their Macbook Air. lol.gif And is heading to WebOS! lol.gif

 

I suggest that anybody else who is outraged at Apple's Maps also immediately return all of their Apple devices and leave the entire eco-system. That is the obvious logical choice.

 

I don't think that anybody has claimed that the Apple's map coverage is perfect, far from it, and Apple has a bit of work to do as it's lacking in some areas, but some of the reactions are just LOL. lol.gif

For someone like me who was considering an iphone for a future phone, it's a big enough deal for me not to get it.

 

You must not understand the importance of mapping / gps features in a smartphone. People rely and depend on it.

 

Also not sure what's up with the ridiculous quantities of "LOL lol.gif LOL lol.gif LOL lol.gif " in all of your posts. It speaks to your personality though.

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9/20/12 at 5:10pm
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Seriously? All because of a map app?!

No, he's being facetious. He's basically just saying Apple didn't dedicate nearly enough resources to pull this off in the time allotted--a huge blunder. Way beyond MobileMe.

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9/20/12 at 5:11pm
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Yep...

...in the world according to Wile E Coyote.

Meep meep!

You forgot Super Genius lol. He should've been buying Apple stuff instead of Acme, he would caught that slippery Road Runner.
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9/20/12 at 5:12pm
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In its present and projected implementations, yes. I've yet to see it plan to be used in a situation worth using it.

 

Tricky for me to persuade you otherwise as I have NDA from previous job which worked in this field way before google announced the vapourware.

So many uses, I have full confidence that it will be the number one way that we interact with computers in 10 years time.

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9/20/12 at 5:14pm
Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post
So many uses, I have full confidence that it will be the number one way that we interact with computers in 10 years time.

 

I have full confidence that it won't even be close. 

 

Driving, on the other hand… 

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9/20/12 at 5:15pm
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No, no, no...

...that isn't an option, I can't even find out how to catch a bus!!!

/s

The big rectangular thing with windows and I don't mean the Surface tablet makes frequent stops catch that and use your mouth to talk to the driver.
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9/20/12 at 5:15pm
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Yes I tested everything related to the places I frequent in OC and everything was dead on the money location-wise.The ariel photography is a bit lower resolution than before and about a year or two older but it is ok.

 

The old Google maps app showed vacant land around where my house is, the street view showed a fence, vacant land and was taken from an adjacent street.

 

The new maps show some of the new houses that have been built but my house is still a vacant block.

 

Obviously Apple's photo's are newer in this part of the world.

I live in Irvine. My back yard was re-landscaped 2009. The Apple imagery shows the sod removed and only dirt. The Google view shows the full completed landscaping. The street view was very current as well.

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9/20/12 at 5:19pm
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6 years ago I had a Nokia N95 with Nokia Maps, and it could find my street!

After a 15 minute wait to tune in to the satellites.

Ah, the past looks good through rose tinted glasses.

I never said it was perfect; you asked how I lived without maps and I gave you an answer.

By the way, I've just downgraded my iPad3,3 (LTE/GSM) back to iOS 5.1.1. It was perfectly doable for me, Xcode doesn't seem to care.
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9/20/12 at 5:19pm

This made me speechless

 

 

 

 

source from twitter:
 
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