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A rumor that Google had submitted an iOS 6-compatible maps app to Apple after the built-in version was removed with the new mobile OS is false, says the well-connected Jim Dalrymple.

In a trademark terse post to his website The Loop, Dalrymple said "Nope" in response to claims that Google Maps for iOS 6 had been submitted to Apple for review.

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The rumor gained traction on Thursday as pundits and users bemoaned the lack of features and overall state of Apple's new Maps app in iOS 6.

Apple's iOS 6 was launched on Wednesday with Maps as one of the tentpole features, however critics have taken to bashing the software, saying that its thin feature set and lack of comprehensive coverage is a step backward from Google's offering. The internet search giant's mapping service has been refined for nearly a decade and was the main maps app in the iPhone since the device debuted in 2007.
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When Jim talks, I listen, especially when it comes to rumors. As far as I can remember he hasn't been wrong yet.
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Here's a quick tip: When asking a question to someone known for giving "terse" answers, DON'T MAKE IT A COMPOUND QUESTION! Was he saying "nope" that Google has submitted the app? Or, was he saying "nope" about Apple "sitting on it?"
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So I was on Yahoo news site and saw an article about iPhone 5 and iOS6 Maps.  And they are saying that there is a major disappointment.

 

Link to that story.

 

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/users-react-to-apple%E2%80%99s-latest-software-update-for-iphone-and-ipad--and-it%E2%80%99s-not-all-roses.html

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Originally Posted by tylerk36 View Post
So I was on Yahoo news site and saw an article about iPhone 5 and iOS6 Maps.  And they are saying that there is a major disappointment.

 

Well, Yahoo! says it. It must be true. They're certainly a source of what's current in tech these days.


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Here's a quick tip: When asking a question to someone known for giving "terse" answers, DON'T MAKE IT A COMPOUND QUESTION! Was he saying "nope" that Google has submitted the app? Or, was he saying "nope" about Apple "sitting on it?"

When you put it that way, that's a good point. Still doesn't change the fact he has the best track record for predicting Apple rumors.

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People should stop worrying about a native Google app and try out the web app. Aside from not having Street View it is really similar to the original Maps app. Give it a try at maps.google.com. It will get you by until this maps nightmare is resolved. Eventually Apple will sort out their issues but it is going to be a while so get used to it. They are not bringing Google Maps back as the core functionality on iOS. That is all. I will stop commenting on this now (so long as someone doesn't outright flame me).

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Well, Yahoo! says it. It must be true. They're certainly a source of what's current in tech these days.

 

I prefer dave screens. Less gloria.

I dont agree with Yahoo.  But I think it's a ploy to make Apple look like it is losing touch with the demands of the people.  Yet seems like that happened with the first iPad talk and how it got put down for being so limited.  Steve Jobs was very disappointed with the greater response when that device rolled out.  Yet it bounced back very quickly.  As will the iPhone 5 and iOS6.

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Well that's too bad, but at least I've already downgraded my iPad. Not sure what I'm going to do for development now but I know I'm not upgrading again for a while.



Goodbye iOS 6...
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Well, Yahoo! says it. It must be true. They're certainly a source of what's current in tech these days.

 

I prefer dave screens. Less gloria.

Frankly, I don't give a Dan. 

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I don't need no Google Maps.  I like Apple Maps.

I don't need to StreetView.  I prefer FlyOver.

 

I remember the initial backlash for Final Cut Pro and now everyone loves it.

 

Apple Maps will rule the worlds.

 

Time will tell.

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Well that's too bad, but at least I've already downgraded my iPad. Not sure what I'm going to do for development now but I know I'm not upgrading again for a while.

Goodbye iOS 6...

 

You sound completely reasonable and not acting in a knee-jerk reactionary fashion at all.  It must be nice to be so level-headed.

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Here's a quick tip: When asking a question to someone known for giving "terse" answers, DON'T MAKE IT A COMPOUND QUESTION! Was he saying "nope" that Google has submitted the app? Or, was he saying "nope" about Apple "sitting on it?"

Jetlaw, nobody asked him anything. He was simply responding to a rumor on 9to5 Mac and given The Beard's connections inside Apple I'd say it's "Nope" both to a new app from Google as well as Apple sitting on it.
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Jetlaw, nobody asked him anything. He was simply responding to a rumor on 9to5 Mac and given The Beard's connections inside Apple I'd say it's "Nope" both to a new app from Google as well as Apple sitting on it.

That's not the way I read it. The part he is responding to simply says that there's a rumor that Google submitted Maps to Apple. The part about Apple sitting on it appears to be a headline added later.
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The iOS 6 Maps app is an upgrade to the original Maps app. There never has been a Google Maps app, by the way. The original Maps app was Apple's software, the Maps app used Google's map data. But a change was necessary due to Google would not provide Apple with certain APIs in order to have turn by turn voice nav. So, Apple's new map data supplier is TomTom, which has been curating
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Originally Posted by Sandman619 View Post
But a change was necessary due to Google would not provide Apple with certain APIs in order to have turn by turn voice nav.

 

Do we have a source on this?

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The traffic on the new Apple Maps App sucks. That's about my only complaint.
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OMG. When is iPhone going to come with a matt screen? I can't buy one until it's matt.

 

Plastic stick-on covers for the iPhone screen to turn it from shiny to matt have been available for at least four years.  

They cost almost nothing relative to the price of the phone.  

 

Getting rid of the gloss is in fact pretty much the only reason to even use a "screen protector" as they serve no other practical purpose.  


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That's not the way I read it. The part he is responding to simply says that there's a rumor that Google submitted Maps to Apple. The part about Apple sitting on it appears to be a headline added later.

 

Logically, it has to be both though doesn't it?  

If it's true that they haven't submitted it, then it can't be true that Apple is "sitting on it."

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Well, Yahoo! says it. It must be true. They're certainly a source of what's current in tech these days.
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What's odd is that I've never heard of him. It's been a long time since I last read anyone mention The Loop as well.
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Well that's too bad, but at least I've already downgraded my iPad. Not sure what I'm going to do for development now but I know I'm not upgrading again for a while.

Goodbye iOS 6...

Why? Maps in the browser is better then the old maps app. Particularly on the iPad.
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Originally Posted by Sandman619 View Post

The iOS 6 Maps app is an upgrade to the original Maps app. There never has been a Google Maps app, by the way. The original Maps app was Apple's software, the Maps app used Google's map data. But a change was necessary due to Google would not provide Apple with certain APIs in order to have turn by turn voice nav. So, Apple's new map data supplier is TomTom, which has been curating

The thing people seem to have forgotten is that the original maps app sucked.
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I don't need no Google Maps.  I like Apple Maps.
I don't need to StreetView.  I prefer FlyOver.

I remember the initial backlash for Final Cut Pro and now everyone loves it.

Apple Maps will rule the worlds.

Time will tell.

Flyover doesn't even come close to streetview. as fo final cut, the video school my son is attending has dropped it for Adobe, so no, not everyone loves it.
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Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post

Here's a quick tip: When asking a question to someone known for giving "terse" answers, DON'T MAKE IT A COMPOUND QUESTION! Was he saying "nope" that Google has submitted the app? Or, was he saying "nope" about Apple "sitting on it?"

and your a lawyer? Your suppose to be able to muddle through the crap and confusion.

 

 

"posted on Thursday, September 20th, 2012 at 6:pm. PT

Written by Jim Dalrymple

 

QUOTE: Additionally, we've learned an updated iOS 6 version of the Google

 Maps.app has been submitted to Apple. END QUOTE

 

Nope."

 

Clearly Jim Dalrymple is quoting the above statement. And his answer "Nope" states that it is not true. Never mind the AI tittle and graphics which is just sensational to get more clicks. 

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The Apple map SUCKS
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Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post

Here's a quick tip: When asking a question to someone known for giving "terse" answers, DON'T MAKE IT A COMPOUND QUESTION! Was he saying "nope" that Google has submitted the app? Or, was he saying "nope" about Apple "sitting on it?"

Agreed. The correct answer is, "Nope. Nope."

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Why? Maps in the browser is better then the old maps app. Particularly on the iPad.

I don't want location information on the browser, I want the ability to save locations without a Google account, and the web app takes ages to update your positions (especially in areas with low reception) and is sluggish compared to the native app (this also applies to the new Maps which run at like 10-20fps). I'll get an iPad Mini for development as soon as they come out; in the mean time I'll stick to the Simulator for a month for iOS 6 support. I really didn't want to miss the downgrade window now that the beta is over.

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The thing people seem to have forgotten is that the original maps app sucked.

Though it wasn't replacing something that didn't suck.
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Even if Google submitted it, will Apple approve it?
For now just use maps online.
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Why? Maps in the browser is better then the old maps app. Particularly on the iPad.

Worse, in my opinion, at least on my iOS 5 'new' iPad. The native app is smooth, browser on site has a very noticeable loss in frame rate when scrolling. It's still usable, but I don't see where it is better than the old app.

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Well that's too bad, but at least I've already downgraded my iPad. Not sure what I'm going to do for development now but I know I'm not upgrading again for a while.

Goodbye iOS 6...

Pardon my ignorance, but what software is in that image?
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You sound completely reasonable and not acting in a knee-jerk reactionary fashion at all.  It must be nice to be so level-headed.


Core functionality is broken, so upgrading to a previous version of the OS where it worked is unreasonable?

 

Wow.  That's a level of stupid I just can't fathom.

 

Anyway, I'm now waiting on two things before I'll even consider installing 6:

 

• An untethered jailbreak (absolute deal-killer for me, jailbreak adds mandatory functionality.)

• Google Maps app

 

It's a shame about the maps.  Anyone thinking about it already knew this was going to be broken, though.  Apple has NEVER had any mapping competency, and good mapping is actually hard.

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I doubt Google will submit a maps app since their mapping solution is a significant selling point for team Android.
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You have no idea how difficult it is. This article really opened my eyes as to why Google Maps will retain technical superiority to all other mapping solutions for some time to come.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/how-google-builds-its-maps-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-everything/261913/

 

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Core functionality is broken, so upgrading to a previous version of the OS where it worked is unreasonable?

 

Wow.  That's a level of stupid I just can't fathom.

 

Anyway, I'm now waiting on two things before I'll even consider installing 6:

 

• An untethered jailbreak (absolute deal-killer for me, jailbreak adds mandatory functionality.)

• Google Maps app

 

It's a shame about the maps.  Anyone thinking about it already knew this was going to be broken, though.  Apple has NEVER had any mapping competency, and good mapping is actually hard.

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Originally Posted by Waverunnr View Post
I doubt Google will submit a maps app since their mapping solution is a significant selling point for team Android.


Yeah, they'll sure ignore the iOS revenue, won't they.

 

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…jailbreak adds mandatory functionality.

 

No phone in the history of telephony has worked without jailbreaking.

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You have no idea how difficult it is. This article really opened my eyes as to why Google Maps will retain technical superiority to all other mapping solutions for some time to come.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/how-google-builds-its-maps-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-everything/261913/

 

Take that article with a grain of salt. It's not as magical as that particular reporter, unfamiliar with LBS or mapping issues, made it sound like. 

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The article succinctly explains the process with a high level of detail. What are your issues with it?

 

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Take that article with a grain of salt. It's not as magical as that particular reporter, unfamiliar with LBS or mapping issues, made it sound like. 

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The article succinctly explains the process with a high level of detail. What are your issues with it?

 

It's not that anything in the article about how Google develops a map was factually incorrect. It's more that the motions Google goes thru to build a map are much the same as Navteq, AND, Tomtom, MS, Delorme and several others go thru. The basics weren't conceived by Google, nor even more recent developments like on-line crowd-sourced error reporting. The Atlantic article made it sound as tho all other digital map-makers might as well throw in the towel now. Google has done a great job of map-making in a relatively short time, but very few of their tools are unique, original or unable to be matched by a truly dedicated competitor. 

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The internet search giant's mapping service has been refined for nearly a decade...
Google maps debuted in 2005. 7+ years is hardly a decade. I'd say that's clear spin to make a sympathetic argument for Apple. Oh, poor Apple...Maps is days old and google's is nearly a decade old...what were you all expecting? (Sarcasm)
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