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post #41 of 152
9/24/12 at 8:38am
I wonder what all the complaining Map companies looked like days after they came out. I still find 5 mile errors in Google Maps and let them know so they can make the maps better. Suspect Motorola expects the same courtesy.

The nice thing about starting anew is that Apple is not tied to years of code that hinder improvements.

And there are ways to access Google Maps when Apple's is not quite right.
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post #42 of 152
9/24/12 at 8:43am
Apple maps still suck, Tim Cook kiss Googles ass and get their maps back!
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post #43 of 152
9/24/12 at 8:44am
Motorola: "Looky, look!! Apple finally has something crappy compared to ours! Buy our crap instead!!!"



I think "iMaps" is great. The 3D flyover is seriously slick. Yes, I do miss StreetView but that's just a matter of time.
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post #44 of 152
9/24/12 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post

Apple had GPS issues of their own on the 4S. Most of the complaints about poor battery life stemmed from defective GPSes. A friend of mine got one of the affected phones, and her battery problems disappeared as soon as I told her to shut down Location Services (also told her to have the phone replaced, but she didn't appear to care enough). Not saying the problem is the same here, but your personal experience doesn't mean anything.

 

I noticed yesterday that Location Services seems obsessed with constantly checking where you are.  I used Passbook for the first time (to get into the Giants game in San Francisco) and it worked really well.  When we pulled into the parking lot by the stadium, I noticed that there was a banner on the lock screen saying I was near to AT&T Park, so the tickets were easy to get to.  Getting into the ground was a breeze, and Passbook worked exactly as advertised.  I was very impressed.


What I was not so impressed with was that during the game (and indeed until I deleted the now used tickets from Passbook), the phone continued to display the banner saying I was close to AT&T Park (obviously, I was sat in there), and the location marker at the top was constantly on.  The battery was going down at a hell of a pace as well.  Now I don't know if the location services marker at the top being on means the phone is constantly checking GPS for where I am, but given what the battery was doing, I assume it does.  That to me just seemed like a bad design.

The phone enables and disables the GPS from time to time in order to perform geofencing probes; this is normal. What was not normal was that in some cases an iPhone 4S' GPS wouldn't suspend at all, wasting ~15% of battery per hour. That said, I'm not sure how much iOS 6 uses the GPS since I've never actually used iOS 6 on my iPhone (had it on my iPad during the beta but downgraded back to 5.1.1 when it launched precisely because of Maps).
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post #45 of 152
9/24/12 at 8:46am

Had a friend claiming lots of ppl he knows are dropping iPhones over iOS 6 (maps). How retarded can you be? It's a maps app.... just wow. Those people really deserve Android.


As for the Motorola ad, is that the best they have to sell their product? Oh well. A few moments in Apples light to fling a few stones, then back to irrelavance they go.

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post #46 of 152
9/24/12 at 8:53am
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What I was not so impressed with was that during the game (and indeed until I deleted the now used tickets from Passbook), the phone continued to display the banner saying I was close to AT&T Park (obviously, I was sat in there), and the location marker at the top was constantly on.  The battery was going down at a hell of a pace as well.  Now I don't know if the location services marker at the top being on means the phone is constantly checking GPS for where I am, but given what the battery was doing, I assume it does.  That to me just seemed like a bad design.

This may not have had so much to do with location services. Not being a traditional sports fan, I don't spend a lot of time in stadiums, but every time I do I get terrible battery life on my iPhone 4.

 

I suspect it has more to do with the close proximity of so many phones, overloading the networks, and pushing the signal-to-noise ratio out of whack...

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post #47 of 152
9/24/12 at 8:54am
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The phone enables and disables the GPS from time to time in order to perform geofencing probes; this is normal. What was not normal was that in some cases an iPhone 4S' GPS wouldn't suspend at all, wasting ~15% of battery per hour. That said, I'm not sure how much iOS 6 uses the GPS since I've never actually used iOS 6 on my iPhone (had it on my iPad during the beta but downgraded back to 5.1.1 when it launched precisely because of Maps).

 

That seems to be happening to me than.  I have a 4S, and the GPS didn't suspend (assuming the icon is an indication that the GPS is on) yesterday, but it's only happening with iOS6.  Previously I never noticed that happening.

 

Whatever is causing it, battery life is significantly worse on iOS6.  It doesn't bother me that much, since I have the phone plugged in most of the time, but if I don't I'd say I've gone from a phone that would last about 8 hours to one that does about 5.

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post #48 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:03am
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Really? How do you know that? Is it the unidentified "people on both sides said so" from the WSJ?


I understand it's your modus operandi to mock those who disagree with your view at every "turn by turn". But this is in Google's terms of service for their mapping API. Some of us actually know a thing or two about mobile software development because we do it. To mock something you don't know just makes you look silly.

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post #49 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:05am

Have Goggle and/or Motorola, like Samsung, recently completed the same "bash others in the marketplace" courses at the BadMouth School of Maketing? You don't knock others down just to build yourself up. This is just poor form.

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post #50 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Who's Motorola?
Some company that Google brought to shield them self and/or to use as a weapon.... In case they are attack for some past / current "work doings"(stealing).
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post #51 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:08am
The ad is deceptive. Show the Apple Map in the Standard view & the Motorola product in the Hybrid view. The fact the search yields the wrong address could stand on its own, but they had to,'Google-ize' it. Maybe they have to with the Motorola Droid.
Edited by kellya74u - 9/24/12 at 9:36am
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post #52 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:10am
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Have Goggle and/or Motorola, like Samsung, recently completed the same "bash others in the marketplace" courses at the BadMouth School of Maketing? You don't knock others down just to build yourself up. This is just poor form.


To be fair, Apple has done it too. Remember that they based a whole campaign on mocking Microsoft?

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post #53 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:10am
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Folks forget that. Google bought the work of another company that was already like 2 years into the game and has had another 5-7 years to get where they are now.
Apple Maps will improve. The real question is how fast and in particular how they respond to those 'report a problem' messages. I reported several major things to Google over the years and none of them were ever changed. 3 years later they are still telling folks to go the wrong way down a one way street. Still giving the longest and most complex directions to many places. Still missing bus routes that had been in place for years. Still showing some buildings as as far as 10 miles from where they are. If Apple puts such reports on priority and fixes them within weeks not years that's already a point in their favor to me. If they confirm receipt of the report (which I never got from Google) that is another point.

Interesting: I reported a problem to Google a few years ago, and I did receive and acknowledgement, and a report when it was fixed as well. 

I reported a problem to Apple; we'll see how soon they fix that, and whether I get an acknowledgment or not. So far, no, but I suppose the Maps team is swamped right now.

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post #54 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:10am
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anantksundaram 2012/09/24 10:23am

Who's Motorola?

Exactly.
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post #55 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:11am
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That seems to be happening to me than.  I have a 4S, and the GPS didn't suspend (assuming the icon is an indication that the GPS is on) yesterday, but it's only happening with iOS6.  Previously I never noticed that happening.

 

Whatever is causing it, battery life is significantly worse on iOS6.  It doesn't bother me that much, since I have the phone plugged in most of the time, but if I don't I'd say I've gone from a phone that would last about 8 hours to one that does about 5.


I must say I don't see either problem on 4, 4S or 5.

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post #56 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:12am
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Exactly.

Who's Motorola exactly?  This should cover it:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola

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post #57 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:13am
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Who's Motorola?

Google's 12 billion dollar hooker.
"And just like that, everyone here realizes you're just another sweaty little Google licker with an axe to grind and no idea what he's talking about." --addabox
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"And just like that, everyone here realizes you're just another sweaty little Google licker with an axe to grind and no idea what he's talking about." --addabox
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post #58 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:16am
Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post
Who's Motorola exactly?  This should cover it:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola

 

 

Yep, that about covers it.

PhilBoogie
That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
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That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
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post #59 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:18am
I live in Brooklyn, NY and the result I get (the same as in the above picture) on iOS 6 is also in Brooklyn. This looks to me like a correct search result. I will try the same search tonight when I am in Manhattan and see if Apple is taking my current location for clues to how to complete the incomplete search request used as the test.

When I use a complete search request:

315 e 15th st manhattan ny

I get the same result as the Razr

I seem to recall in the early days of Google maps, leaving out a comma before the "ny" would result in an incorrect location. Building a maps database from scratch is a huge undertaking. Apple have hit the mark running, I'm sure they will address (pun intended) these kinds of issues as they are brought to their attention. Having said that, I'm not sure Apple's returned result is incorrect as specified.
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post #60 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:19am
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Google's 12 billion dollar hooker.

You win! lol.gif

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post #61 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:21am
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To be fair, Apple has done it too. Remember that they based a whole campaign on mocking Microsoft?

 

Yes, of course. When you're the cool underdog, that's what you do. Apple isn't the underdog in this space, they are the leaders, so they don't speak of competitors in commercials. 

 

I think the Samsung ads are well done. And quite funny. But maybe that's because I can't picture myself in a long line waiting dozens of hours for Apple to sell me a new phone. lol.gif

 

You also can't blame Google/Motorola for having some fun at Apple's expense over this. It's an open goal people, why wouldn't they stick one in the back of the net?

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post #62 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:21am
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Or economics. I wonder how much Apple has had to pay Google for these last five years of lookups.

 

Actually Google payed Apple for this (Apple wrote the original Map App, it just used Google's data as a source) - as Google got the user data which is what is valuable to them.

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post #63 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by brantdevlin View Post

You dont see Apple advertising just another box of crap from (fill in an Andriod using company name)!
Apperantly noboby but Apple has the nerve to stand on thier own merrits when advertising. Very Child-ish.

 

You must've missed the whole "I'm a Mac" campaign, and many of their other ads since the company's inception.

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post #64 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:29am

Was at the dog park yesterday and on the way home, a bridge was closed and we had to take a detour. I used the Apple maps program for directions home and they were spot on. Being a TomTom user for 6 or so years, I was pleased with the performance of the turn-by-turn directions provided the maps app provided. Not trying to be an Apple apologist, but what I've used of the map program so far, I can't say I've found anything to complain about really. As for Google (er, I mean Motorola), I think they're being juvenile and petty. 
 

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post #65 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by nowayout11 View Post

 

You must've missed the whole "I'm a Mac" campaign, and many of their other ads since the company's inception.

 

Yeah, but the "I'm a Mac" ads spoke the truth. ;)

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post #66 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:31am
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Has anyone looked in the Legal Notices section of the Settings>General>About to see where they are getting their map and turn-by-turn direction data from?  TomTom, Waze, Postal databases, and other third parties.  So, in addition to have having their own data, they are licensing third party data from reputable sources. 
 

There in lies the problem. I have worked on some pretty big database projects and merging data from various sources and purging duplicates is like unwinding a ball of spaghetti. The data is in various disparate formats which makes it a pretty overwhelming undertaking that puts Apple at a serious disadvantage to Google. Google is in complete control of all their own data and has thousands of vehicles on the road acquiring more at an unprecedented rate. I just don't see how Apple can ever catch up unless they deploy the same methodology and become a search engine in their own right because mapping and search are almost inseparable in my opinion.

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post #67 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:33am

Functionally maybe, but it's debatable...Visually...not even close.

 

Here's a few examples between iOS 5 and iOS 6 Maps:

 

iOS 5 Maps of Forbidden City

 

 

iOS 6 Version

Where did all the water go?

 

 

 

iOS 5 Version of a typical intersection.

Notice the overlaid subway lines on the map?

Notice the plans of the subway exits?

Notice all the building data?

 

Here's the iOS 6 Verson.

Notice the one and only subway marker is not even in the right location.

No Building outlines

 

I'm using Beijing as the example because I travel there 6mos. of the year and if I can't see anything on the maps, then I can't get around.

I live otherwise where my profile states and it's not better there either.

 

I understand this is Gen 1 of Maps, but not everyone ONLY uses maps for driving and turn-by-turn.

many of us use maps for information and exploration.  not just blindly follow GPS telling us how to get someplace.

I use maps so I can learn where things are and only use them for reference.  These new maps provide nothing useful for many.

 

I'm sure eveyone has seen this site already.

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/


Edited by antkm1 - 9/24/12 at 9:59am
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post #68 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:42am
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I'm sure eveyone has seen this site already.

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/

 

If you're sure everyone has seen the site, why are you attaching so many space-wasting, bandwidth wasting images?

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post #69 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:43am

It is important to understand one thing - Apple is NOT the only company to forsake Google's Maps API. Others have been dropping Google, too, but likely for a different reason.

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post #70 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:45am
LOL - well Motorola does not have much choice. Every phone manufacturer wants Apple's problem.

So Apple has bad maps - who did not expect that - Version 1 - give me a break. We all knew that the maps would not be perfect. I used the map application on iPhone4 running iOS6 to go from my house to United Center in Chicago. Compared the directions to Google Maps on an Apple iPhone3GS and they were EXACTLY the same. Not a single difference.

So with bad maps Apple ran out of product. That is something that Motorola can only dream off on a good day. Their products suck and they cannot sell them with a discount.

So when Motorola says something like this - I reach for my barrel of salt.
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post #71 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

No Surprise... Apple looks to have seriously dropped the ball with their iOS 6 'Maps' app so competitors are quite justified in pointing it out (Apple sure would if the situation were reversed).
Google Maps worked great, and this looks to be a case of a company (Apple) placing silly 'politics' ahead of user experience and one can only hope that they fix things quickly.

 

So what you are saying is you havent used the new Maps.

 

Which is disappointing, considering you spend your entire life buying every smartphone & tablet possible.  Whats wrong, money ran out?

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post #72 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:47am
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I understand it's your modus operandi to mock those who disagree with your view at every "turn by turn". But this is in Google's terms of service for their mapping API. Some of us actually know a thing or two about mobile software development because we do it. To mock something you don't know just makes you look silly.

Mocking? Modus operandi? I think you have me confused with someone else. I wanted to know if the OP was basing his post on that particular article or something else. I've never seen any confirmation from any named source that says either Google or Apple was specifically to blame for "missing" map features as compared to the Android version.

 

As for Google's TOS and mapping API', what would that have to do with Apple negotiating a license to Google's TBT? I don't see the correlation so you'll have to explain it.


Edited by Gatorguy - 9/24/12 at 9:59am

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post #73 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:48am
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Apple had GPS issues of their own on the 4S. Most of the complaints about poor battery life stemmed from defective GPSes. A friend of mine got one of the affected phones, and her battery problems disappeared as soon as I told her to shut down Location Services (also told her to have the phone replaced, but she didn't appear to care enough). Not saying the problem is the same here, but your personal experience doesn't mean anything.
"Hi, I'm a Mac! And I'm a PC..."
I have, and to me they suck as they can't even find mine or any of the neighboring streets here, it's even worse than finding them elsewhere, which would be acceptable because these streets are all named after cities in other countries, and without being able to perform reliable searches the app is pretty much useless, because search for addresses is what I use it mostly for. The fact that these streets are all charted on the map and this issue has existed since day 1 in the beta makes the situation even worse as it's not just the data that's crap but the software as well. Lastly the software is noticeably slower and power hungrier than the old maps, and despite the move to vectorial data (which was supposed to reduce the amount of data one needs to load from the Internet), it's actually loading slower than Google Maps ever did and rendering at a much lower frame rate.
Apple ditching Google may be good for them, but I am not them and I don't work for them, so it's not good for me and it actually degrades the quality of their service. Like the first poster mentioned, Apple is putting their politics ahead of their customers and deserve the crap they're getting over this.
I'm sure you can report cases where Google Maps can't even find stuff that's perfectly charted on the map, then.
Folks forget that Apple bought several mapping companies and is licensing data from a lot of third party providers. The current solution doesn't differ much from what they got from Google, but the user experience does.

I certainly hope that you use your 30 day refund period to return your phone and get an Android phone if mapping is such a high priority for you. Your continued complaining reminds me of a guy that hammers nails with a screw driver even though a hammer is in the toolbox next to him.

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post #74 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

Functionally maybe, but it's debatable...Visually...not even close.

 

Here's a few examples between iOS 5 and iOS 6 Maps:

 

iOS 5 Maps of Forbidden City

 

iOS 6 Version

Where did all the water go?

 

iOS 5 Version of a typical intersection.

Notice the overlaid subway lines on the map?

Notice the plans of the subway exits?

Notice all the building data?

 

Here's the iOS 6 Verson.

Notice the one and only subway marker is not even in the right location.

No Building outlines

 

I'm using Beijing as the example because I travel there 6mos. of the year and if I can see anything on the maps, then I can't get around.

I live otherwise where my profile states and it's not better there either.

 

I understand this is Gen 1 of Maps, but not everyone ONLY uses maps for driving and turn-by-turn.

many of us use maps for information and exploration.  not just blindly follow GPS telling us how to get someplace.

I use maps so I can learn where things are and only use them for reference.  These new maps provide nothing useful for many.

 

I'm sure eveyone has seen this site already.

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/


It's quite clear that the Maps are terrible ex-US.

 

In my neck of the woods (Boston), business are placed are in the wrong town or state because the street name and number are the same.  Many businesses are simply on the wrong block.  When I ask for directions, I am told to take illegal or impossible left turns.  The directions also refuse to use toll roads, even when the toll roads provide a better routing.  Finally, the traffic data is substantially inferior to Google's.

 

I think the software is fine, but mapping is as much about the software as the database.  And Apple's database is a poor, poor substitute for Google's.

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post #75 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:51am
Is it a "software" issue or a database issue. If the latter, Apple is likely in a heap of trouble.

It doesn't matter how good your software is if the data upon which it relies is garbage.
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post #76 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:51am
I wouldn't take a Motorola phone if it was gold plated and encrusted with diamonds. Complete pieces of crap.

They do serve one purpose now though, they are a millstone around Googles neck.
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post #77 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:52am
It's funny 'cause it's true.
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post #78 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:56am
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Google's 12 billion dollar hooker.

 

AND STILL has yet to provide GFE, Girl Friend Experience!  

 

I guess that would be considered 'friends w/ no benefits.'

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post #79 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by Harbinger View Post

 

If you're sure everyone has seen the site, why are you attaching so many space-wasting, bandwidth wasting images?

because these screen-caps were mine, not the site's.

the URL was there to further examples.

 

my choice to post, your's to view.

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post #80 of 152
9/24/12 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Mocking? I think you have me confused with someone else. I wanted to know if the OP was basing his post on that particular article or something else.

 

As for Google's TOS and mapping API', what would that have to do with Apple negotiating a license to Google's TBT? I don't see the correlation so you'll have to explain it.


You don't see the correlation ...

 

You're either playing dumb or you really are. Not my problem either way.

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