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Google Chairman Eric Schmidt on Tuesday confirmed a new version of its popular iOS mapping app has not yet been submitted to Apple, adding that the iPhone maker's decision to switch to a new proprietary solution was perhaps a misstep.

Speaking to Reuters during a visit to Japan to promote Google's Nexus 7 tablet, Schmidt confirmed that the company hasn't made any moves toward launching an iOS 6 compatible version of Google Maps, officially quashing a rumor which said the app was already under review by Apple.

The executive didn't stop there, however, and said Apple's move to replace Google Maps was a mistake.

"We think it would have been better if they had kept ours. But what do I know?" Schmidt remarked. "What were we going to do, force them not to change their mind? It's their call."

With iOS 6 and the iPhone 5, Apple Maps supplanted Google Maps as the mobile operating system's default mapping service, with new features like free turn-by-turn navigation and unique 3D "Flyover" capabilities. Apple's in-house solution is far from polished, however, and a number of critics said the switch may have been premature.

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As for when Apple may allow a new Google Maps app into the App Store, Schmidt had no comment on the matter besides affirming he wants to continue whatever partnership can be salvaged from the somewhat broken relationship.

"I'm not doing any predictions. We want them to be our partner. We welcome that," Schmidt said. "I'm not going to speculate at all what they're going to do. They can answer that question as they see fit."

The Google chairman maintains that no app has been provided to Apple and gave no hints as to when the software would be submitted.

"We have not done anything yet," Schmidt said. He did mention, however, that Google has "been talking with (Apple) for a long time. We talk to them every day."

Apple itself admitted that its iOS Maps app was a work in progress and promised continued refinement of the new service. The statement is in line with recent reports of job listings advertising software engineering positions for the company's Maps Team.

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While Schmidt claimed to have no thoughts on Apple's Maps plans, he did take the opportunity to offer conjecture as to why Android enjoys a superior market share compared to iOS.

"Apple is the exception, and the Android system is the common model, which is why our market share is so much higher," Schmidt quipped. He went on to say that the media was "obsessed with Apple's marketing events and Apple's branding," and largely ignores Android's success.

"That's great for Apple but the numbers are on our side," he said.

Tuesday's news doesn't offer much information about a possible Google Maps for iOS launch timeline, though the company's desire to maintain a presence on iOS is no secret. Most recently the search giant released a standalone YouTube app following Apple's announcement that the familiar first-party app would no longer be included with iOS 6.

Despite keeping up appearances in public, there is a definite undercurrent of mild hostility flowing between the two companies, evidenced by Schmidt's quick aside during his Nexus 7 presentation. When showing off a new Google Maps 3D feature which uses the tablet's internal sensors to manipulate the onscreen UI rather than touch gestures, Schmidt said, "Take that Apple," quickly adding, "That was a joke by the way."
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Google's response is almost as bad as Apple's decision in the first place. Stop being smarmy, both of you, and get Google maps back on. For the sake of the consumer.
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Naturally Schmidt has to defend android and his decision to wreck google's relationship with apple. What else is he going to say? But if I were a google shareholder, I would not find his marketshare numbers very comforting. I would be more focused on profitability. Google has figured out a way to both steal other people's IP AND lose money on it.

Once google shareholders realize the magnitude of this f-up, I doubt Schmidt and rubin will survive. Maybe the founders will survive, but I wouldn't count on that either.
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Google's response is almost as bad as Apple's decision in the first place. Stop being smarmy, both of you, and get Google maps back on. For the sake of the consumer.

 

I wonder how much Google will charge for it, now that Apple has shown they don't want to pay Google's new licensing rates?

 

Google is a business not a charity.

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Given a short period of time, Maps will be fine.

 

The important numbers are on Apple's side, Eric. Those numbers with dollar signs in front of them.

 

"the media was "obsessed with Apple's marketing events and Apple's branding," and largely ignores Android's success." The media is obsessed with finding fault with Apple, you mean.

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Dear Mr. Schmidt:

Give Apple about a year or so and you'll see why they did what they did. We all know you were holding back features you made exclusive to Android and wanted to renegotiate a five-year contract for some insane amount. Controlling their destiny was the only option. And hey, my privacy and data isn't being sold out to pay for it all.

Also, the reason Android is "number one", its because it's given away for free to people who don't know better a d would rather have an Apple product, not some knockoff that you stole from the company in the first place you two-faced liar. Everyone sees your dorky hypocrisy except you.
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I had a few good thoughts, but was greeted with this. Apparently I can not paste from my iPad. Now it's time to move on.
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Apple should just fix this "for the sake of the consumer" and then evolve into a Google
maps "killer app" over the next iPhone iteration.

IMO The potential of the Apple Maps is far greater than what Google offers anyway.

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Google's response is almost as bad as Apple's decision in the first place. Stop being smarmy, both of you, and get Google maps back on. For the sake of the consumer.

So far the iPhone has been awesome for us in here Florida for turn by turn driving. Blows away our Garmin. I love the Fly over feature but look forward to this rapidly expanding to far more cities and eventually the entire globe. The 3D system will expand fast since it is an automated computer system dependent only on the fly over data. Mapping data will also improve in accuracy rapidly.

(I say this for any newbies not OP) As a stop gap if you have to use Google just use Safari by to going to http://maps.google.com and bookmark as a home page. You can do the same with YouTube, simply create your own home screen icon in Safari. I appreciate apps are more powerful and offer more features but they will come soon. Google has little choice given iOS represents 90% or more of all mobile web traffic, they cannot afford to depend on ad revenues from the few Androids in real use.

Given Google ripped off iOS, most likely thanks the Schmidt abusing his position as a trusted member of the Apple Board of Directors (see Android prior to iOS it was to be a 'real keyboard' rip off of RIM's system, not a touch screen system at all) this is a very understandable move by Apple. If iOS is to have a built in mapping system let it be Apple's own. Why on earth would they allow the biggest back stabbing traitors in the software world a foot hold inside iOS?

Apple maps will develop and improve fast and far surpass Google's in the next few years. Being vector based not pixel based it has far more potential in all areas. Apple have yet to implement many features that the SAAB military system had yet. I suspect it may have hidden thermonuclear potential, after all it was a military attack system originally / wink
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I wonder how much Google will charge for it, now that Apple has shown they don't want to pay Google's new licensing rates?

Google is a business not a charity.

It will be free. The business model Google has is simply give crap away free and sit back and collect ad sales money on volume usage.

Google just lost potentially up to 90% of mobile web traffic on iOS (obviously only applies to iOS 6 on supporting models but never the less a massive and rapidly growing proportion). There are simply very few Android used in the real world for an ad revenue based business model, Google will be desperate to salvage what they can on ad revenues from iOS. The good news is they are screwed.
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post #11 of 135
Anyone who wants Google maps on their iPhone can get them here: http://maps.google.com

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Can you try seeing this with a NON-US centric perspective ? I am elated that it works for (most) of the States of the Union, really am. But for most other states Apple Maps is a MAJOR step back. Some of the map data is soooo outdated it screams abuse. Berlin for instance has a new central railway station since (wait for it) 2006, but Apple maps still addresses it as the OLD railway station that used to be there.

 

GM has transit for Brussels and Paris AM does not. Yeah sure over time I can strap some other app to it like a band aid - but for the moment I have jack all.

 

Apple may be a US company, but it is time they acknowledge (also from their supported functions) that more than half their money is done somewhere else. The European Union is as populated as the US, yet we get Apple functionality years and years afterwards.

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Dear Eric,

Go Samsung yourself, schmidthead.

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Well put, Digi!

Doesn't affect me coz I keep a Garmin on the car windscreen (it's cheap, I wouldn't like to inadvertently leave my phone there).. but I do feel for those who'll have a underdone mapping solution until Apple and its users get Maps up to scratch.
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"We think it would have been better if they had kept ours. But what do I know?" Schmidt remarked. "What were we going to do, force them not to change their mind? It's their call."

 

Note how he conveniently ignores the fact that the ToS for Google Maps doesn't allow for navigation features such as turn-by-turn directions.

 

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Can you try seeing this with a NON-US centric perspective ? I am elated that it works for (most) of the States of the Union, really am. But for most other states Apple Maps is a MAJOR step back. Some of the map data is soooo outdated it screams abuse. Berlin for instance has a new central railway station since (wait for it) 2006, but Apple maps still addresses it as the OLD railway station that used to be there.

 

GM has transit for Brussels and Paris AM does not. Yeah sure over time I can strap some other app to it like a band aid - but for the moment I have jack all.

 

Google maps:  http://maps.google.com

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Well put, Digi!
Doesn't affect me coz I keep a Garmin on the car windscreen (it's cheap, I wouldn't like to inadvertently leave my phone there).. but I do feel for those who'll have a underdone mapping solution until Apple and its users get Maps up to scratch.

Yep we still have Garmin too but my wife was with me and used her iPhone to test out the new system and she loved it. I couldn't actually see it, just hear Siri. I agree I am not planning on sticking an iPhone on a holder on the window, I can just see me forgetting and leaving it there when I park. . The days of cars being broken into to steal Garmins have passed but I'd suspect an iPhone would be a different matter! Maybe down the road Apple will make a $100 stand alone car nav system, it'd be a real hit at Christmas!
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Given Google ripped off iOS, most likely thanks the Schmidt abusing his position as a trusted member of the Apple Board of Directors (see Android prior to iOS it was to be a 'real keyboard' rip off of RIM's system, not a touch screen system at all) this is a very understandable move by Apple. If iOS is to have a built in mapping system let it be Apple's own. Why on earth would they allow the biggest back stabbing traitors in the software world a foot hold inside iOS?

 

I'm sick of hearing this.  Unless you have some previous unknown evidence, that neither Apple or anyone else has ever provided, you're just talking bull about Schmidt abusing his position.  Seriously, stop posting fud.  I'll take anyone seriously on these forums, until they post something like this that has been debunked 1000+ times, at which point their credibility becomes zero.

 

Why is it that anything that is even slightly negative against Apple in posts get jumped on, and yet crap like this is constantly posted.  If Tallest Skil is allowed his "troll list", there should also be a FUD list that contains all the crap pro-Apple delusionalists keep spouting.

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Apple had no choice really. They could not remain at the mercy of Google for its mapping feature, something so important to the heart of the phone itself. Google was deliberately holding back on features for the iOS version, making its droid version more desirable in a competitive environment.

A huge project such as mapping will take some time to reach its potential. Just like every other time Apple releases something like this, the media and nay sayers jump up and down and scream until a year or so later they are all on the bandwagon in a love fest.

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Mobile google apps does not give me compass navigation or street view. Even SJ was touting howpeople prefer native apps over web apps, and he was corret. While I'm sure everything is rosy in major us cities, the maps are unusable overseas. The mapping data is of low quality sometime even just black and white, there is no fly over and entire city blocks are missing. While I understand the business reasons as a consumer I expect a first class "it just works" experience from a premium priced product.

I also got no sympathy when a company with a stock pile of cash exceeding that of many countries rams a steaming pile of shit down my throat instead of sucking it up and licensing some first class mapping data. For my personal usage Maps is the only reason I choose a smart phone over a small phone with 3 weeks battery life.

Sad state of affairs that one simple app tarnishes and stops me from upgrading to some sweet new heart ware and my devices to what is a otherwise great os. Also the first time in years that I left the apple store without buying a product I was hell bent on buying. I actually started checking out the android phones but found the hardware offerings to be of low quality. What to do?
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Can you try seeing this with a NON-US centric perspective ? I am elated that it works for (most) of the States of the Union, really am. But for most other states Apple Maps is a MAJOR step back. Some of the map data is soooo outdated it screams abuse. Berlin for instance has a new central railway station since (wait for it) 2006, but Apple maps still addresses it as the OLD railway station that used to be there.

 

GM has transit for Brussels and Paris AM does not. Yeah sure over time I can strap some other app to it like a band aid - but for the moment I have jack all.

 

Apple may be a US company, but it is time they acknowledge (also from their supported functions) that more than half their money is done somewhere else. The European Union is as populated as the US, yet we get Apple functionality years and years afterwards.

 

The maps data is from TomTom, thats a Dutch firm, so it should be ok for the EU.

My experience is that maps works excellent in the Netherlands and that even the street I live in has the correct name (something Google maps didn't get right even after 5 years).

 

J.

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"That's great for Apple but the numbers are on our side."

I wonder what numbers he's talking about. Surely not the numbers that matter most to a company, like profits. Google makes more money from its advertising in iOS than it does in all the Androids combined, and Apple makes many times more money from its portable products than all of Android combined (in hardware, software, advertising, etc.).

But I wouldn't expect a thief to say thank-you to their victim.
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I personally am sick of all this "maps" rubbish, I hardly ever used them, I bought a full navigation App for $15 over 3 years ago, for that FIVE DOLLARS A YEAR I have had voice navigation, maps stored on the device, speed limit information, school zone information, speed and traffic light camera locations, POI's from Google and I have used this App across three iPhones and an iPad for FIVE DOLLARS A YEAR seriously I couldn't give a f**k about all this constant whining and bickering.

 

"ooh, ooh, ooh I can't find the local shops, the Apple maps says go the wrong way", "waah, waah, waah, I can't see a picture of my house, how will I find it if I go out", "whine, whine, whine, I can't read street signs and freaking arrows pointing to train stations or the timetables and signs THEY HAVE IN train and bus stations to direct you where to go"

 

Seriously, everyone needs to HTFU.

 

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Schmidt is the scuzball of the century.
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I like Apple's model for supporting third party public transit plugins. We have a great application here that can get you anywhere by any means of public transit. I'm hoping they integrate it so that a separate application isn't needed. Their mapping in that application is Ok, but it would be best to integrate it into the main mapping application to get better features for bookmarking, finding businesses, and then finding transportation to same.
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Also, the reason Android is "number one", its because it's given away for free to people...

 

You do realize that you've been able to get an iPhone for free for a while now too? So the argument about market share based on free phones seems kind of weak and pathetic now.

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"He went on to say that the media was "obsessed with Apple's marketing events and Apple's branding," and largely ignores Android's success."

Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that 95% of what's good about Android was shamelessly copied from Apple.
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I wonder how much Google will charge for it, now that Apple has shown they don't want to pay Google's new licensing rates?

 

Google is a business not a charity.

 

Google can't charge a nickel for their map app. Google make their money via advertising and data mining users' personal information. Charging for their app would only reduce its popularity, since there are plenty of cheap and free alternatives out there. But get ready for a map app with sponsored points of interest, advertising, and extensive privacy intrusions now that Apple will no longer be there to place the consumers' interests first.

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... extensive privacy intrusions now that Apple will no longer be there to place the consumers' interests first.

Yet strong Facebook integration on iDevices is OK as long as Google's not involved, right? Just asking if your concerns are really about "privacy" or instead that Google is no longer considered a friend of Apple while Facebook currently is according to Mr. Cook.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/09/facebook-profiles-now-cross-referenced-with-retail-purchases/

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Anyone who wants Google maps on their iPhone can get them here: http://maps.google.com

Really? Because I sure don't see any street view on that... I swear, if I hear one more fanboy just saying to go on the website I really am going to flip. It's a totally different experience and lacks the one feature that most people miss from Apple Maps
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Do you know just how many Samsung branded phones that runs Android here in Asia? You can go to any phone store and you'll be greeted with 10 different Samsung branded phones. There's the Y, the Y Pro, the Galaxy Ace 2, Galaxy Chat, Galaxy S and etc. And that's just Samsung. Compare that to the singular model Apple release annually. I would be extremely surprise if Android didn't have a larger market share. In fact I am remarkably impressed that Apple, one singular company, can compete in market share against Android phones.

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Harden the F**k up, Google!
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Do you know just how many Samsung branded phones that runs Android here in Asia? You can go to any phone store and you'll be greeted with 10 different Samsung branded phones. There's the Y, the Y Pro, the Galaxy Ace 2, Galaxy Chat, Galaxy S and etc. And that's just Samsung. Compare that to the singular model Apple release annually. I would be extremely surprise if Android didn't have a larger market share. In fact I am remarkably impressed that Apple, one singular company, can compete in market share against Android phones.

 

Do they all come with Navigon, like the one's in Australia?

 

Just wondering why Samsung feels the need to use an alternative maps service.

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"That's great for Apple but the numbers are on our side."
I wonder what numbers he's talking about. Surely not the numbers that matter most to a company, like profits. Google makes more money from its advertising in iOS than it does in all the Androids combined, and Apple makes many times more money from its portable products than all of Android combined (in hardware, software, advertising, etc.).
But I wouldn't expect a thief to say thank-you to their victim.

It's going to get worse. Google just cut themselves off from the most popular phone in the world - and their revenues are likely to reflect that.
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Really? Because I sure don't see any street view on that... I swear, if I hear one more fanboy just saying to go on the website I really am going to flip. It's a totally different experience and lacks the one feature that most people miss from Apple Maps

Then go ahead and flip. No one cares.

Frankly, Street View looks like a total waste of time. I guess it's useful if you can't read a map or house numbers, but a normal person can look at a 2D map and see where they are.
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It's been estimated that approx 2% of Google's 2012 revenues can be attributed to iOS devices. There won't be much if any pain felt this year, but Google certainly does need to pay close attention to it's mobile advertising plans and be prepared with alternates if need be.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/07/iphone-and-ipad-to-account-for-2-of-googles-2012-revenue/

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As a fan of the Apple ecosystem that has been a flawless hardware and software execution for me for years, I am saddened by the flaws in the Maps app in IOS6. Although I would never purchase an Android anything (mishmash of crappy apps, no focus or guidelines for consistency that bring productivity and ease of use to an OS), I can see this is a simple cat fight in a cage. Apple loses the strength of Google's search strength (wait until Google is permanently replaced with BING! in IOS6 update #3) and Google loses the majority of their traffic flow and revenue stream.
The 'open' Android ecosystem is anything but. Full of crapware and viral activity. Many large corporations won't touch it with a 10 foot pole until it can be locked down completely, losing that 'open' feeling completely. Apple appears to be making these smaller public mistakes of products not quite ready for the market, and too many of these are showing up lately in the consumer arena. Maybe we will be back to the early 80's in the market where smaller companies will have a chance to step up with better implemented solutions without all the infighting?
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It was a mis-step ...a mis-step to trust Eric Schmidt ....It's time for apple to fight back and take Google down.

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You do realize that you've been able to get an iPhone for free for a while now too? So the argument about market share based on free phones seems kind of weak and pathetic now.

You are totally misunderstanding the original poster. They are referring to the fact that the Android operating system (a Google product) is given away for free to any handset maker to use. The handset makers don't have to spend the money developing their own OS and in turn Google gets to harvest more users information. Google have a great scam going. Give software and services away for free so they look over our shoulders and use that info to support their real revenue stream...Advertising.

 

I bought the RRS reader app Reeder when Apple removed RRS from Safari. After purchasing it, I found out that I cannot even use the Reeder app unless I log-in with Google first, so they can keep a copy of my RRS feeds in the cloud. I don't want nor need Google to have a copy of my RRS feed in the cloud or anywhere else. Google want to it so they know what advertisers to shove down my throat. When are people going to clue in that WE are not Google's customers. Advertisers are their customers. We are merely food for their real customers.

 

So is Apple's Maps app lacking? Evidently so. I for one, am prepared to give it some time to mature, and being that this Apple's first kick at the can with mapping, I wasn't expecting it to be perfect anyway. I have a Garmin in my car if I need it.

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Apple loses the strength of Google's search strength (wait until Google is permanently replaced with BING! in IOS6 update #3)

 

Why Bing?

 

Haven't you heard of Siri?

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Ha, ha, ha! "The numbers are on our side." As in the number of third world customers who will contribute hardly any revenues to Google's bottom line. Or the number of no-name no-profit smartphone manufacturers racing to the bottom of the Android market.

Unlike Windows which was never open sourced, Microsoft was able to maintain control over the platform. Google, however, because of its bonehead decision to open source Android, will eventually lose control of its platform to the largest Android smartphone manufacturer. They're hoping it will be Motorola. It's going to be Samsung.
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Off topic but same dilemma-
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