Google's Schmidt offers strong words regarding Apple Maps flap - Page 3

"digitalclips 2012/09/25 05:54am
hill60 wrote:
No. Google started charging vendors who use their maps API starting at least a year ago. Google was charging the largest users the most.

Care to guess where Apple ranked in that list of who gets charged the most by Google....

 

https://developers.google.com/maps/licensing

 

Nonsense, huh? I'm sure.

 

"Oh, Google Maps is free, oh…"

 

No. Google Maps is "free" to us because WE are the product being sold. It is paid for other companies to use because THEY are Google's customers.

Oh, you must be so embarrassed.

 

www.viewstreetnoflash.com

Next time someone needs to ask the followup question, "Is it true that you refused to license turn-by-turn and other advanced mapping features to Apple?"

Be interesting to see what effect this has on Google's mobile revenues. These Apple deals were a significant source of income for Google.

Only 3 months ago Google changed their policy to keep vendors from jumping ship. It couldn't have been a big revenue stream for them so it looks like flew close to the sun and now there wings are melted a bit.

• http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/google-drops-prices-for-use-of-maps-by-site-owners/

When I first updated my iPad to IOS 6 and looked at Apple Maps I had a few concerns. It looked a little different than Google Maps and I wondered if it had the same info. I held off on updating my iphone 4 at first but finally went ahead upgraded. I used it yesterday when going to see a friend and it worked just fine. As I was driving I came to a traffic jam. I checked my map and it showed me there was an accident ahead and that is something that I don't remember seeing on Google maps. I was concerned at first but I think the Apple map may work fine for the way that I use it. Looking back I think I was influenced by the negative reports I was reading. I'm not saying that it doesn't need to be improved but would encourage everybody to give it a try and see if it works for you before you write it off.

Huh? According to this Forbe's report: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/09/apple-is-about-to-reduce-googles-revenues/ and about 1000 similar stories, Apple pays Google more for maps than Google makes from Android.

These are all based on facts stated in Google's annual report. I think you might be a bit confused.

Google indicated in the Oracle trial that they make about 4x the revenue from iOS over Android.

That's not to vendors, that's to developers using their maps API in their own sites. At most that would affect Google Maps on iCloud (which Apple is still using), not Google Maps on iOS, which users are accessing directly from their devices rather than being redirected from a site.

Thank you Eric Schmidt for your objective, insightful opinion about Apple's 'mis-step', as if you had a damn clue if it's a mis-step or not, or have any insight into what Apple should or shouldn't do for their long term vision. You expected them to stay with Google maps forever, with hands tied behind their back, no access to vector tiles, turn by turn, etc? Of course they should have 'kept' your product, and continued to strengthen it with hundreds of millions of new customers. The thing is, Schmidt has shown has little vision or insight he has, time and time again, by being catastrophically wrong. I wonder if someone can make a collection of his predictions just in the past few years, it's comical how wrong he was about so many things, from the iPad (big iPod touch, noone wants it, will fail), to the appstore (developers will start to develop on Android 1st then port to iOS), TV (Google will power most of the TVs on the market by 2010-2011), etc. The guy is clueless. 

The value of his statement is questionable since the change will likely cost his company a billion dollars or more.

The article may say it, but their quoted source does not. The article jumps into the conclusion that the generated mops revenue comes directly from Apple rather than from advertising to Apple's customers.

Apple won't sell such a device...but I'm sure there is a third party manufacturer working on such a device already.

obviously you didn't follow the goracle trial where evidence showed google made a massive U-turn on the UI and it was NOT developed concurrently with the blackberry version, showing the iphone influenced their design. go look it up.

 

Google buys Android. Android looks like BlackBerry. Schmidt gets on Apple's board. Android looks like iPhone.

 

Debunked, huh?

Fire Forstall.

I think that would rank #1 on Apple fan talking points if you wanted to start another list.  ;)

 

The usual disingenuous red herring from GG. One can not use Facebook. Whereas, while one can not use, say, Google Search, it's nearly impossible to avoid Google's tracking net (Analytics) which is spread all over the net, hiding under multiple names. Facebook privacy may be a problem, but it's an entirely different kind of problem with an entirely different scope.

Something like an iPod nano with BlueTooth 4.0 and Siri?

 

For what reason? To what end?

Schmidt is the scumbag who was trusted as a board member at appld when iphon and ios were being developed.. That is how apple trusted and nurtured their relation with google!
What do u know.. Next thing google pops out android.. An os in many ways identical to ios..
He is a back stabing scumbag.
Now he is ranting about apple decidions and apple google relations.?

A scum will always be scum.

For not being able to deliver. "It's going to get better" is code for "It now sucks."
For bringing on a rash of bad publicity.

Glad to see that in the last 3 years Bill Gates has been replaced as No. 1 venom snake on AI.
So it's never Apple's fault for releasing bad software or not paying the proper license fee for a great user experience like it demands from everyone else?
Edited by iSheldon - 9/25/12 at 12:28pm

 

Yeah, fire the head coder responsible for the existence of iOS because one app isn't up to the standards of a tiny minority and causes bad press for a single month.

Great idea. Almost makes me think you have a hidden agenda for wanting this to happen, but no, that can't possibly be the case.

There's an app for that - Live Street View (also Live Street View Free)

So... once you drive to North Carolina, you aren't allowed to leave the country?  When he said he "just drove", maybe he didn't mean in the last few hours.

Bill Gates is retired.

How can you blame Apple for lousy Android-based hardware?

Since when did Google offer to license to Apple its services at a reasonable price and without the privacy invasions?

This is a fine situation and should be enjoyed.

Apple, having left Microsoft in the dust, is in danger of _becoming_ Microsoft%u2026 Releasing half-finished products, figuring, "Oh well, we can always fix it later if anybody notices it's trash."

The corporate model is inherently dishonest, irresponsible, and destructive. With God dead and the nation state dying, our only defense against the psychotic institutions which completely dominate 21st century life on earth is to pit them against each other.

Silicon Valley mud wrestling. Bring it on.

Google is biding its time, waiting for wider adoption of iOS 6 to maximize the Apple customer base ire. Only then will Google gallop in like the knight in shining armor to offer its free Google Maps App.

It's a good strategy. If Apple stalls the quick approval of the app which Google will widely promote in the media, Apple customers will become even more irate.

I will be shocked if it goes down any other way ...

Love the elementary logic...

 

lol@ waiting for wider adoption of iOS 6.

Actually, Google's response was appropriate.  Like it or not, Apologists, but iOS6 was created for Apple, not you.  Google knows what it takes to build decent maps and they know that Apple most likely bit off more than they could chew.

 

As far as Google submitting an app, don't hold your breath.  Schmidt's response was clear:  You want Google maps? Switch to Android.

 

Edited by Waverunnr - 9/25/12 at 12:31pm

 

Might want to just get a taser and get that over with now.

 

I really hope Google follows this strategy. Current Apple management needs to feel the consequences of going against the user base. They've done too many things ignoring the user needs recently, and I really hope Google plays their cards well and increases users ire against Apple management.

 

If Google releases a Maps for IOS 6, it would be really good for everybody: Either Apple admits the app, acknowledging their mistake, and allowing all of us to use Gmaps on IOS 6, or they reject the app, causing a war against their users. In the end, IOS users will win, Apple management will lose for their bad behaviour of these last years.

 

Please Google, release gmaps for IOS 6!! 

 

Uh… 

 

The ire is overestimated. By miles. 

 

Apple customers are so irate, they're set to hand Apple a record iPhone quarter at least by Christmas. 

 

I know . . .

 

LOL

Why do you say this? Do you honestly think Google doesn't want their app on the iPhone? Articles I've read indicate that Google maps is used by almost twice as many Apple devices than Android, despite the latter having a larger installed user base? Why else would they create a YouTube App? The answer is because they have more to gain from the perceived Maps debacle than they do from the YouTube app (I personally preferred the browser interface anyway).

Or are you saying Apple will never let Google release a Maps app on iPhone ever? That worked well for Google Voice after the Feds investigated Apple's business practices.

Or are you saying Apple customers are not really that upset about Maps for it to matter how long Apple drags their feet to approve Google's offering?

I can certainly see Apple dragging their feet to approve it, but Google will submit a maps app, and Apple will ultimately approve it as long as it complies with all their terms, and they will do it before Google can file a complaint with the Feds.

Apple users seem pretty upset, but that could be media magnification, and only time will tell depending on how long it takes for widespread adoption of iOS 6 among the installed user base whether this dies down enough to thwart what seems like an obvious Google strategy.

Many things can justify purchasing an iPhone 5, like not having an iPhone yet, the iPhone 5 being a huge upgrade, the huge library of apps in the App Store, and in some cases it's just a status symbol. That, however, doesn't mean Maps doesn't suck or that there isn't one less reason to upgrade than before. Bottom line it's up to everyone to decide whether the benefits outweight the drawbacks, and the more retarded Apple goes without regard for end-user convenience, the less benefits there will be in each iPhone iteration. This time they removed the Dock connector AND changed Maps, that's pretty bad to me already, it annoys me so much that if my 4S dies I'll buy another 4S rather than a 5, and if this continues I will eventually go look for greener pastures elsewhere because I've already opted out of iOS 6.

Meant software. I'm blaming Apple for lousy Apple-based software. Like Ping and MobileMe. People defending Maps here is ridiculous- in that somehow "it's gonna get better" is acceptable.
It's not.