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Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak said on Monday that he was "disappointed" with Apple's new Maps app in iOS 6, however noted the severity of issues reported by critics and users is questionable.

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Speaking at an event in Sydney, Australia for data storage company Fusion-io, at which he is chief scientist, Wozniak described his first impressions of Apple's new mapping service to ZDNET.

"I tried to navigate somewhere, and I couldn't get to where I wanted to by voice," he said. "So, I was a little disappointed, because I love navigation by voice with my Google [Android] phones, actually, since they always get it and are based on a better database."

Wozniak is not alone in having been given bad directions from the fledgling app, as users around the world have complained of incorrect positioning data, missing location information and lack of features like Google's Street View.

"I have been reading about the problems, and I don't know if they are that severe," Wozniak said.

The tech guru offered the example of "antennagate" radio reception issues faced by the iPhone 4, saying that he never really noticed the problem with normal use.

"Sometimes, there are a lot of complaints about one little thing people spot, but it's not that hard to deal with in life," Wozniak said. "I don't know yet about Maps ? I'm a little worried about the navigation, but I've still got it covered with a bunch of other navigation apps."

A number of listings posted to Apple's job website reveal the iPhone maker is hiring to fill positions for its Maps Team, pointing to ongoing development of the new mapping service. Most recently, reports claim the company is actively recruiting software engineers who previously worked on rolling out Google Maps.
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Ah, the voice of reason. Maps not great but not the end of the world either.
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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?
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A rational comment! I've been using maps the last couple of days and it really isn't that bad. No error for me, but really people a database with likely hundreds of millions of entries isn't going to be perfect out of the gate.
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it's a 90/10 problem. it's just fine for 90% of the customers, but the 10% are much louder.

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All navs have their problems. I used my Garmin to navigate while also using my iPhone. Both got me there but they disagreed on which side of the road was the destination. The iPhone said the destination was on the left while the Garmin said the right. The iPhone made the correct call.
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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?


you could ask that about a lot of people.

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Can we please stop quoting every pointless comment uttered by Wozniak? Yes, he was an Apple co-founder and he's quite wealthy as a result, but let's not forget that this guy has not made a contribution to technology in over 30 years. Woz had a knack for designing more efficient motherboards back at the damn of the PC era but thing guy is by no means a visionary or an authority on technology.
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you could ask that about a lot of people.

 

The difference is whether he gets quoted on all the blogs every time he utters an opinion. We're all entitled to an opinion but the media should stop quoting people whose opinions shouldn't really matter.

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So he's being a bit positive now..

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it's a 90/10 problem. it's just fine for 90% of the customers, but the 10% are much louder.

 

I'd say it's a 95/5/10 problem.

 

110%

 

100% actual iOS users, 10% loudmouth abusers who have no intention of ever using iOS.

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Can we please stop quoting every pointless comment uttered by Wozniak? Yes, he was an Apple co-founder and he's quite wealthy as a result, but let's not forget that this guy has not made a contribution to technology in over 30 years. Woz had a knack for designing more efficient motherboards back at the damn of the PC era but thing guy is by no means a visionary or an authority on technology.

 

Agree. He didn't contribute anything other than programmable "Universal Remote Control" in 1987. lol

 

Jobs without Woz = successful

Woz without Steve = ???

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it's a 90/10 problem. it's just fine for 90% of the customers, but the 10% are much louder.

That might be true in the US, but in the rest of the world Apple's maps are truly awful. In my own comparisons of iOS6 maps vs iOS5 around the UK I'll just say I'm very glad I still have an iOS 5 device.The difference is truly night and day.

 

Apple have a very long way to go to get their maps to an acceptable level. It may well take several years.

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The difference is whether he gets quoted on all the blogs every time he utters an opinion. We're all entitled to an opinion but the media should stop quoting people whose opinions shouldn't really matter.

 

He's famous for be one of the founders of Apple but he's also multi-talented and loves gadgets. He always comes across as level-headed. His opinion matters more than any of us here.

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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

Regarding anything post Apple ][ technology I doubt it does in any real sense of depth although he has remained close as an Apple Fellow I believe. I agree with your sentiment though and I wish Blogs would stop using his opinion on anything related to Apple as if it actually carried any serious weight. Then as others have said given his history as a founder I guess they always will.
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That might be true in the US, but in the rest of the world Apple's maps are truly awful. In my own comparisons of iOS6 maps vs iOS5 around the UK I'll just say I'm very glad I still have an iOS 5 device.The difference is truly night and day.

Apple have a very long way to go to get their maps to an acceptable level. It may well take several years.

Why miss out on all iOS 6 has to offer when you can add a safari home page for both google maps and youtube?

However Google must be busting their asses to get free apps on iOS 6 since Android devices hardly seem to register on web traffic stats. Remember they live by ads and using your own data.
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post #17 of 86
Who cares what he says? Who is he? A looser, who means nothing these days. Stop quoting him.
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Ah, the voice of reason. Maps not great but not the end of the world either.

But a mapping system that showed the end of the world would seem appropriate in 2012 though ... /wink
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post #19 of 86

The type of delivery to the consumer is very un-Apple.    They are already missing Steve!!!!! 

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Why has everyone in the US tech world missed the fact that in the same speech Steve said he had applied for Australian citizenship and want's to "call himself an Australian"? He cited the Australian Broadband Network project as one of the reasons for taking the step.
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Woz not relevant? Are you kidding? Aside from developing the universal remote, he formed a company to develop wireless GPS, invested in Aquicor, and numerous other tech firms through it, placing him at the forefront of funding new tech startups. He could forget more about tech than most people have ever learned, and still be far more relevant than you or I. It's easy to anonomously criticize those who actually have "been there and done that", a lot harder to actually do it yourself.

 

On the maps issue, I agree with Wozniack. Given the capabilities of Google Maps on the iPhone gave many users reason to invest in decent GPS navigation apps, the inadequacies of the IOS6 Maps is not a life or death matter. A cloud based mapping system is hardly appealing to users where connectivity could be an issue, either in availability or cost. I suspect the majority of users will be better served by the existing crop of navigation apps, with map data stored on the device itself. I know from personal experience of driving over 100 km (60 miles) with no phone connectivity at all, so locally stored maps are crucial for many people.

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I read that he's moving to Australia and wants to become Australian, because of their broadband network? lol.gif

 

WTF......

 

And he doesn't even have broadband at his house in the US? How can somebody like Steve Wozniak not have at least cable? Is he on dial up?

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It's obvious that iOS Maps isn't at the same level as Google's mapping, but I too find it hard to believe that it's a crushing blow to Apple. They made a decision to move away from Google and I applaud that - they'll fix the issues with Maps and even if they didn't, as others have noted there are plenty of mapping apps for people to choose from.

I also find it strange that people seem to rely on maps so much. Are people really traveling to unknown places this much?
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[" url="/t/152872/steve-wozniak-says-apple-maps-disappointing-but-issues-not-severe#post_2197886"]I read that he's moving to Australia and wants to become Australian, because of their broadband network? lol.gif

WTF......

And he doesn't even have broadband at his house in the US? How can somebody like Steve Wozniak not have at least cable? Is he on dial up?

He probably likes Australia because it still has a good society, universal healthcare, a strong economy with little government debt, strong social services, a low population, great arts and fantastic beaches... But hey I'm biased...
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I have the same issue with my Garmin, as at times, it has me going around and around but never reaching the destination, which is very aggravating. Not a whole lot of speak around that in the media.

That said, I agree with Woz, as I've used the maps application to go from Belcamp Maryland to West Palm Florida, and the origination and destinations were fine, and so were the turn by turn directions in between.

Now Siri, that is another story. I've always had great service with it on an iPhone, but for some reason, the iPad has a harder time with voice recognition and simply finding data. This is surprising, as I didn't notice the issue with simple voice dictation. I'm wondering if another server was created and perhaps the info takes longer to access? Not sure, but Apple needs to take a look.
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He probably likes Australia because it still has a good society, universal healthcare, a strong economy with little government debt, strong social services, a low population, great arts and fantastic beaches... But hey I'm biased...

I haven't been to Australia, though I wouldn't mind visiting sometime, but I did find it strange that the main reason given by Wozniak was broadband. lol.gif

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Woz uses Android!!!!! Apple must suck!
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I don't know about the US but here in Australia the maps app went from being the killer feature on the iPhone to completely useless. The underlying data set for business searches is so hopeless using it is a complete waste of time.

 

What's even more frustrating is that the maps of Windows Phone 7, which used to be so so in comparison to iOS, is now leaps and bound better.

 

Unless Apple fixes this quick smart I think they will be loosing a lot of users to Windows Phone 8 once it launches in October / November.

 

Event Apple can't be that arrogant to think that nothing can touch them.

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I don't know about the US but here in Australia the maps app went from being the killer feature on the iPhone to completely useless. The underlying data set for business searches is so hopeless using it is a complete waste of time.

 

What's even more frustrating is that the maps of Windows Phone 7, which used to be so so in comparison to iOS, is now leaps and bound better.

 

Unless Apple fixes this quick smart I think they will be loosing a lot of users to Windows Phone 8 once it launches in October / November.

 

Event Apple can't be that arrogant to think that nothing can touch them.

 

Baloney. Complete, utter baloney.

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Who cares what he says? Who is he? A looser, who means nothing these days. Stop quoting him.

A 'Looser' eh? You ARE a perfectionist.

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Remember Nokia?
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All navs have their problems. I used my Garmin to navigate while also using my iPhone. Both got me there but they disagreed on which side of the road was the destination. The iPhone said the destination was on the left while the Garmin said the right. The iPhone made the correct call.

Agreed. I've had occasional problems with every navigation system I've used. So far, in my limited time with iOS 6, I don't see any sign that it's any better or worse than the others in that regard.

I've had Google Maps, Mapquest, and Garmin all send me driving through a lake or river.
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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?
 
The difference is whether he gets quoted on all the blogs every time he utters an opinion. We're all entitled to an opinion but the media should stop quoting people whose opinions shouldn't really matter.

Agreed. Wozniak is an uber-geek who can't relate to an average user. Furthermore, he is not the least bit knowledgable about what's going on at Apple so he has no more insider knowledge than the bum on the corner. The fact that he was part of Apple's early history was relevant - 30 years ago. It's meaningless today.
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I'd say it's a 95/5/10 problem.

110%

100% actual iOS users, 10% loudmouth abusers who have no intention of ever using iOS.

Exactly. Much of the noise comes from the Android shills around here and other places. As always, when you see 100 complaints, perhaps 5 to 10 of them are legitimate.
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Agree. He didn't contribute anything other than programmable "Universal Remote Control" in 1987. lol

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Woz without Steve = ???

That's not fair. Woz was a great engineer and did a wonderful job with the early Apple products. It's not right to belittle his contributions.
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Woz not relevant? Are you kidding? Aside from developing the universal remote, he formed a company to develop wireless GPS, invested in Aquicor, and numerous other tech firms through it, placing him at the forefront of funding new tech startups. He could forget more about tech than most people have ever learned, and still be far more relevant than you or I. It's easy to anonomously criticize those who actually have "been there and done that", a lot harder to actually do it yourself.

 

 

Universal remote = great idea and he deserves kudos for cracking it first, but I'm pretty sure it would have been invented with or without him. Pretty straightforward concept with people needlessly accumulating drawerfuls of remotes. Did he create a particularly elegant universal remote? Did his company invent or significantly improve wireless GPS? Who is Aquicor and what have they produced?

 

Give any Silicon Valley technology lover a few billion dollars and I'm sure you will see them invest in technology companies. The question is whether this activity has resulted in any groundbreaking products.

 

I really have nothing against the guy. He seems like a a warm and likable guy and is certainly more conscientious and generous person than Jobs was. But I definitely don't see him as either a visionary or as guardian of the "Apple Way". If not for Jobs, you would have never heard of Woz.

 

 

 

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On the maps issue, I agree with Wozniack. Given the capabilities of Google Maps on the iPhone gave many users reason to invest in decent GPS navigation apps, the inadequacies of the IOS6 Maps is not a life or death matter. A cloud based mapping system is hardly appealing to users where connectivity could be an issue, either in availability or cost. I suspect the majority of users will be better served by the existing crop of navigation apps, with map data stored on the device itself. I know from personal experience of driving over 100 km (60 miles) with no phone connectivity at all, so locally stored maps are crucial for many people.

 

 

I agree here as well, and I didn't intend to suggest that these particular comments were wrong or out of line. But on other occasions he has made some really awkward comments, and in general he doesn't seem to share Jobs' vision and philosophy for Apple. If not for his previous role at Apple, I'd characterize Woz as more of an Android guy - less concerned about elegant design and seamless operation, and more interested in whatever the latest feature-of-the-month happens to be. He is passionate about any new technology, regardless about how well it integrates with people's lives. The man carries around several phones and tablets wherever he travels, for crying out loud. That just doesn't make any sense, no matter how easily you can afford them. Let's just say he's a seemingly kind hearted eccentric who loves gadgets, but not the sort of visionary that the media should constantly turn to for commentary on all things Apple.

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Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak said on Monday that he was "disappointed" with Apple's new Maps app in iOS 6

it really doesn't matter. iPhone is a fashion gadget so functionality is more or less "whatever".

Now, this so called Scuffgate is perhaps another thing. China slaves did it on purpose to my iPhone?


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it really doesn't matter. iPhone is a fashion gadget so functionality is more or less "whatever".

Now, this so called Scuffgate is perhaps another thing. China slaves did it on purpose to my iPhone?

If so, then on your Android phone its, "What? Never???"

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If not for his previous role at Apple, I'd characterize Woz as more of an Android guy - less concerned about elegant design and seamless operation, and more interested in whatever the latest feature-of-the-month happens to be. He is passionate about any new technology, regardless about how well it integrates with people's lives. The man carries around several phones and tablets wherever he travels, for crying out loud. That just doesn't make any sense, no matter how easily you can afford them. Let's just say he's a seemingly kind hearted eccentric who loves gadgets, but not the sort of visionary that the media should constantly turn to for commentary on all things Apple.

Exactly. (Although I disagree with the first clause cited above. His previous role at Apple was decades ago and is not at all relevant. He IS an Android type of guy without qualification).

He's a geek. He loves gadgets and is far too technical to have any sense of what is of use to a consumer. If Woz had been running Apple rather than Jobs, it would have died many years ago. While he's bright on a technical basis, he's clueless when it comes to normal people.
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I don't know about the US but here in Australia the maps app went from being the killer feature on the iPhone to completely useless. The underlying data set for business searches is so hopeless using it is a complete waste of time.

 

What's even more frustrating is that the maps of Windows Phone 7, which used to be so so in comparison to iOS, is now leaps and bound better.

 

Unless Apple fixes this quick smart I think they will be loosing a lot of users to Windows Phone 8 once it launches in October / November.

 

Event Apple can't be that arrogant to think that nothing can touch them.

 

Killer feature, you're joking, mate, check this out from a couple of weeks ago, when I was looking for the motor registry which I knew was somewhere in Ingleburn.

 

Completely useless, a total failure, I found the RTA by wandering around looking for it.

 

As for Nokia maps, the street my house is on doesn't even exist.

 

 

 

 

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If so, then on your Android phone its, "What? Never???"

I don't have an Android phone. I have no idea what Android users think about it.

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Sometime next year, when Apple Maps are better (I personally have had no problems with them), the only people who will still be complaining are the people who are still complaining about the 'lack of physical keyboard' on the original iPhone. The same people who still make the 'you're holding it wrong' jokes. The same people who call Apple users, like the 82 year old grandmother I saw buying an iPad at the Apple Store, 'fanboys.'

 

 

 
 
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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

 

 

It doesn't. Generally it *might*, but Woz just doesn't *get* Apple. If he ran it instead of Jobs the company would have been dead years ago. Or sold off to the highest bidder. 

 

There's a reason Woz left Apple. There's a reason Apple didn't want him back. 

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