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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

Because, despite having left ages ago, he was part of Apple at one point so he's of course an expert on all things tech, double if it's Apple

And since he was part of Apple blogs can put that in the headlines and gets more hits.

Frankly I wish folks would stop asking him and I wish he would stop answering. He was there to speak about a totally different topic and should have refused to talk about anything else out of respect for the folks that invited him there to talk about their thing

Double when it has to do with what policies etc Apple should have. He knows nothing about how it has been run for the last 15-20 years so he has no business speaking about flawed policies, what their motives are etc

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it's a 90/10 problem. it's just fine for 90% of the customers, but the 10% are much louder.

More like 99/1 but yes, the minority are loud. No matter what the product or the issue. Then the blogs pick it up and hype it as a major flaw etc

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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

1) He's the co-founder of Apple.

 

2) He's one of the few figures in the tech industry who is so honest and forthright. He loves Apple but isn't afraid to call them out. He's got the most street cred of anybody in the Valley with 30 years of goodwill and experience.

 

3) He's a technical genius and is usually very fair and balanced. For goodness sake, he carries around like 6 brands of phone with him at all times. That gives him a pretty good perspective. 

 

I'd say his opinion is often more valuable than some CEO of Company X who has a vested interest in public opinion going a certain way. 

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Can we please stop quoting every pointless comment uttered by Wozniak? Yes, he was an Apple co-founder and he's quite wealthy as a result, but let's not forget that this guy has not made a contribution to technology in over 30 years. Woz had a knack for designing more efficient motherboards back at the damn of the PC era but thing guy is by no means a visionary or an authority on technology.

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately he gets hits from the blogs which means he'll be paraded out to events like he's THE authority on all things the, get interviewed, especially about Apple and so on.

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Apple have a very long way to go to get their maps to an acceptable level. It may well take several years.

You mean like the several years it took google, Tom Tom etc. They didn't birth perfect maps out of their heads like Athena. Hell Google still has issues after 3 years of ignoring my repeated reports for the same errors. Including driving directions telling folks to go the wrong way down a street that has been one way for a good ten years

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. Woz was a great engineer and did a wonderful job with the early Apple products. It's not right to belittle his contributions.

Those contributions became moot after Jobs returned post Next. The company went a totally different direction and Woz was no part of it. He's been a member of Apple in name only since then. As someone rightly said, he knows no more than a bum on the corner or a stock analyst. He deserve the attention and yet he seeks it because for at least the last few years he hasn't done anything on his own to earn it. He's living off 'Apple co-founder’ to feed his ego. And don't think that because he looks all jolly and crap he doesn't have one, because he does. It's why he does stunts like standing in line at launches. He wants the attention, the phone etc is beside the point.

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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

 

Don't take this personally, but I wish like hell there were a way to block posters who have less than a certain number of posts. I've been on both AppleInsider and MacRumors for the last 10+ years and both have been great forums with great people and lots of enjoyable exchanges. However, I've noticed a massive increase over the last couple years in new people making inflammatory or just plain dumb, troll-ish comments. Can't help but think it's the Android true believers. Sad to think that even at the height of the rivalry between Microsoft and Apple, we didn't see MS fans in here posting idiotic things but apparently Android guys have a different set of marching orders. 

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of course as in most things the squeeky wheels tend to get the attention and of course they never have an agenda! (sarcasm)

One think I like though is if it does drive down the share price , I can buy more APPL on the dips and ride it up to the 800's once the results come out.

So in a kind of perverse way, I love the "damage" this "instant gratification, it has to be perfect" stupidity has on Apple. Of course its overblown, just like the "disppointing 5MM devices" over one weekend stupidity. I'm sure there will be other overblown rants reported over the next few weeks and jumped on by Samturd and its minions and Android clonesblogosphere ****tards. But hey thats the insanity we live in now! LOL

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post #49 of 86
Originally Posted by Perfectionist View Post
A looser, who means nothing these days.

 

lol, irony.


Originally Posted by inkswamp View Post
Can't help but think it's the Android true believers. Sad to think that even at the height of the rivalry between Microsoft and Apple, we didn't see MS fans in here posting idiotic things but apparently Android guys have a different set of marching orders. 

 

As wrong as they were, Microsoft fans at least had their honor. 


Guess that's something Samsung helped the Fandroids not take to heart.

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There used to be a time when "bad news" like Maps  would drive down the Apple share price more than it does now. That's a real pity because I can't make money of of the Android f***tards anymore dammit.  Perhaps the shareholders are getting more savvy about the short sellers methods?

 

Can't you Fandroids come up with something more substantial? Antennagate was a very profitable one. C'mon you are really losing it.

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One think I like though is if it does drive down the share price , I can buy more APPL on the dips and ride it up to the 800's once the results come out.

you doth protest too much, methinks. aapl has only recently begun flirting with 700. it's about 690ish this morning. just how low to do you need it to dip before you ride it to the 800s? buy now and still get a 15% return on your ride.
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post #52 of 86

The "other databases have problems too" argument is not a defense of Apple at all.  No one has argued that Google, Garmin, or anyone else is perfect. 

 

Google's location database, search, and traffic data are leagues better than what Apple is providing in iOS6. 

 

I love Apple products, but come on.  They released an inferior product, and it's going to take a lot time for them to get this right.

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Can we please stop quoting every pointless comment uttered by Wozniak? Yes, he was an Apple co-founder and he's quite wealthy as a result, but let's not forget that this guy has not made a contribution to technology in over 30 years. Woz had a knack for designing more efficient motherboards back at the damn of the PC era but thing guy is by no means a visionary or an authority on technology.

 

His vision and technical leadership not only changed the face of computing, but led to the creation of the world's most valuable company.  And, now, he is focused on transforming data storage.  I think he's earned the right to be quoted when he talks.

 

But, enough about Woz.  Let's talk about you.  Tell me, what innovations have you brought to the table lately that have changed the face of computing, or led to the creation of a massively successful venture.  I'm sure you have also earned the right to criticize people like Woz, so I'm interested in hearing your story. 

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The "other databases have problems too" argument is not a defense of Apple at all.  No one has argued that Google, Garmin, or anyone else is perfect. 

 

Google's location database, search, and traffic data are leagues better than what Apple is providing in iOS6. 

 

I love Apple products, but come on.  They released an inferior product, and it's going to take a lot time for them to get this right.

Exactly!  I have no doubt that Apple will get there, and probably pretty quickly.  In the meantime, iOS 5 works just fine for me.  :)

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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

 

It doesn't, not in the least, and I'm sick of people pretending it does. The guy has been irrelevant for over 2 decades, and from his numerous comments the past few years has proven he has no real insight into what Apple should/shouldn't do. His reactions are often superficial and expected. The fact that he was Apple's co-founder more than 2 decades ago bears no significance to giving his opinion weight today. He constantly trolls Apple with inflammatory/provocative statements, it's nothing new. At the end of the day they all seem very childish, and if I was him I'd keep my mouth shut out of respect for the company. He's turned out to be completely wrong on most of the statements/predictions he's made. 

post #56 of 86
Good for Woz- he simply wants the best of both worlds and can certainly afford it.
I bet he owns a PC or two too.
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You mean like the several years it took google, Tom Tom etc. They didn't birth perfect maps out of their heads like Athena. Hell Google still has issues after 3 years of ignoring my repeated reports for the same errors. Including driving directions telling folks to go the wrong way down a street that has been one way for a good ten years

I'd rather have Apple get me the new iMac already than a bad Map App. It seems petty that Apple would spend gazzilions on bad Map App rather than pay Google a licensing fee and f up my user experience.
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wel to answer you question:

 

I'd like the share price to drop down to about 650 at least, I think there is too much downside over the next few months given that the overall market is overbought, At 650 I think the risk is manageable and potential upside is very attractive. If we do have 10% market correction Apple being a coiled swing will bounce back pretty sharply imho as it usually does and its always possible to double down at 600 if it does that. As always its a question of risk/reward assesment , not easy to do. But I think a 650 price point is a fairly good entry over the next 3 months. to make a quick profit.

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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

 

why does yours?

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Maps work just fine for me. A few destinations end up on the wrong side of the street, but I reported the problems. Will see how long it takes to get updated.
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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

Because Steve Jobs passed away, so the Media is using Wozniak instead because he was one of the founders so they are using him and OBVIOUSLY, Wozniak likes the public attention.

 

Sometimes Wozniak is right and sometimes he isn't.

 

What's worse is that it seems that the MEDIA likes to exploit little tiny things, blow them out of proportion when even BIGGER problems exist for Apple's competitors.

 

Look at Android Authority's iPhone 5 vs S III drop test.  Does the MEDIA blow that out of proportion and SLAM Samsung for making a phone that is susceptible to cracking under REAL WORLD conditions whereas the iPhone 5 wasn't.  I know that the test was just a couple of times, and it might not be the most scientific test in the world, but it's certainly was a very REAL test.  Does the mainstream media catch onto that and RIP Samsung through the coals?  How about the many times Samsung has been caught with price fixing of components?  Those only got minor attention.  How about the fact that Samsung uses two different processors for the S III?  Does ANYONE investigate as to the reasons WHY?  If Apple did that, they would be racked over the coals for eternity over that.

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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

 

It doesn't, just as any anonymous poster's opinion on these forums.

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I'd rather have Apple get me the new iMac already than a bad Map App. It seems petty that Apple would spend gazzilions on bad Map App rather than pay Google a licensing fee and f up my user experience.

Does ANYONE remember when MapQuest first came on line?  MapQuest wasn't 100% accurate, even Google Maps isn't 100% accurate.  Apple releases a new Map app to replace Google because Apple doesn't want Google's app as a standard install.  Apple also wants to improve the application and in terms of data, it takes a while, because of the nature of the data and the sources that Apple has at their disposal.  So what if it is going to take a while to clean up the errors in it.  One cannot expect it to happen overnight.  It takes years.  I'm sure Apple will fix the most important problems as quick as they can.  There is also a button within the app to report errors, so at LEAST they do that, which I don't see anyone else doing.

 

on a positive note, Safari on iOS 6 is MUCH faster than the previous version, even noticeable on an older iPhone 4.  Thank you Apple.

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 How about the fact that Samsung uses two different processors for the S III?  Does ANYONE investigate as to the reasons WHY?  

That one's an easy answer. Sammy sued a quadcore processor for the international version and reportedly would have preferred to do so for the US version too. Unfortunately there wasn't a quadcore yet ready that also supported the networks for US carriers so they had to use a dual-core in North America. Everywhere else it's the same quadcore processor. 

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He should be removed from Apple Inc. for a conflict of interest. I respect Wozniak's achievements a great deal, but he is still an employee of the company, so I have to question his ethics at this point.

 

Anyway, I've been using the new Maps in Austin, TX since release and they work pretty flawlessly so far. Why is everyone acting like Google Maps are so great, anyway? I've had numerous search and routing issues, and have been waiting for an alternative since iOS 2.0.

post #66 of 86
The absence of the Statue of Liberty isn't even the problem, much less an issue of any severity.

The severe problem is that Apple's management (correctly) believes it can reduce the functionality of its products, valuing profits and politics over customers, and not suffer as a result.

The map to worry about is the one that shows how corporate arrogance reduces everyone's quality of life.
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Originally Posted by Slang4Art View Post
He should be removed from Apple Inc. for a conflict of interest. I respect Wozniak's achievements a great deal, but he is still an employee of the company, so I have to question his ethics at this point.

 

… Been removed for decades.

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… Been removed for decades.

"He still remains an employee and receives a token paycheck, est. to be roughly 120k per year. He is also an Apple shareholder."

 

Thought that was pretty common knowledge. No other Apple-paid person can get away with this type of dissent, and I assume it is because of the type of contract he was grandfathered in with.

post #69 of 86
I totally agree with freediverx's comment!

Most (emphasis on most) of the time his opinion causes embarrassments to the company who is paying him a very nice salary and dividend. He should get on with his new interests (like dancing on TV, or whatever)
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because Apple is the #1 phone and the defacto leader and reference point for all other phones. so really we should take it as a complement that the media which as we know is bought and paid for ny the Phone companies and their suppliers. The more outrage over minor details that is directed at Apple the more attention it garners for its iPhone. Thus the more free advertising it gets all paid for by its competitors, Such irony really

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post #71 of 86
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it's a 90/10 problem. it's just fine for 90% of the customers, but the 10% are much louder.

I think that's true. I just used it for navigating to a place and it is far better than a number of navigation apps I've used before (especially including Google maps).
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I totally agree with freediverx's comment!
Most (emphasis on most) of the time his opinion causes embarrassments to the company who is paying him a very nice salary and dividend. He should get on with his new interests (like dancing on TV, or whatever)
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Maps is the embarrassment not Woz.
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Why does Steve Wozniak's opinion matter?

Why does grub ears opinion matter

Or mossberg

Or topolsky

Or who ever?
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it's a 90/10 problem. it's just fine for 90% of the customers, but the 10% are much louder.

Apples markets outside of the USA are growing rapidly. Most issues with their maps app is outside of the USA. Your 90/10 may not be quite right under this situation.
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If it wasn't for Woz this website wouldn't exist.
And don't you all forget it.
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Steve Wozinak's opinion is stupid. I'm sorry to say it. But I have to. He was the tinkerer, the hardware person, the hacker when Apple originally happened. And he has stayed that way, Apple products have drawn away from that (for good reason), and I think Android is a good fit for him. He can fuck with it.

 

 


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If it wasn't for Woz this website wouldn't exist.
And don't you all forget it.

 

full. stop.

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Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post
If it wasn't for Woz this website wouldn't exist.
And don't you all forget it.


I don't recall Woz building the Macintosh with a GUI, networking at CERN, or computers at NeXT on which to run said network.

 

There's something you've forgotten, it seems.

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 How about the fact that Samsung uses two different processors for the S III?  Does ANYONE investigate as to the reasons WHY?  

That one's an easy answer. Sammy sued a quadcore processor for the international version and reportedly would have preferred to do so for the US version too. Unfortunately there wasn't a quadcore yet ready that also supported the networks for US carriers so they had to use a dual-core in North America. Everywhere else it's the same quadcore processor. 

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"He still remains an employee and receives a token paycheck, est. to be roughly 120k per year. He is also an Apple shareholder."

 

Thought that was pretty common knowledge. No other Apple-paid person can get away with this type of dissent, and I assume it is because of the type of contract he was grandfathered in with.

Woz has stated multiple times that he doesn't have any sort of employment relationship with Apple and hasn't for awhile.  He may have been a token employee at one point, but he doesn't have one thing to do with the company on any meaningful level as an employee.

 

And he is quite openly critical of Apple in many ways as well.  The guy is pretty unbiased and is in no way a fanboy.

 

ETA:  For clarity, he has said that he is only an employee in the Database, he isn't involved in anything that Apple does and they don't do anything for him.  His only real tie would be as a shareholder and that doesn't mean much.  He's basically retired.


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