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Does anyone seriously believe that Google couldn't code a version of Google Maps with the three months notice at WWDC?

If so, Google Maps must be a worse POS than even I thought.
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Google is working 24/7 at severing the emotional bond which glues the Apple ecosystem together. They've covertly mapped out the typical end user's psyche through their five year old grassroots partnership with Apple, ...just as they've overtly and thoroughly mapped out the executives' mindset through...in part...Schmidt's probing sentience deep into Apple's inner sanctum.
And Google holds enormous sway with the press. The Google myth, along with a few pat-on-the-back incentives, works wonders on tech bloggers and news columnists. While Apple was busy innovating like there was no tomorrow, ...Google was investing time and PR money with politicians and pundits, and getting away with murdering privacy on the WiFi bandwidth.
For Google...it was a twofer. Get some street-view sweet-and-sour addiction onto the iOS platform, affording Google the mortal threat of a high severance pay...the mindshare withdrawal syndrome so to say, ...while riding the antenna...shotgun, on a wild scramble for people's unguarded privacy. Shady business indeed for Google's monetization purposes only, ...in an 'all rights reserved', 'no trespassing' kind of a way. One of those crimes that...pay.
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All salient points.

The New York Times confirms Google is looking to have an app out by the end of the year.

http://nyti.ms/QkpOTW

This is good news to me, assuming this article is true, as Google will likely rush their App out with numerous flaws. Thus continuing to give Apple an advantage. But it will at least give the consumer back a choice, and allow Apple's customers to realize what Google is on their own. Over time, Apple's product will improve, and the two apps will be vetted over their merits rather than Apple being the only game in town. Competition is healthy, and this is how it works.

On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past Google to sit on a finished app, and wait until Mapgate reaches a frenzy, before "coming to the rescue" to the extent Apple customers see it that way. As someone else pointed out, even though Google has other larger priorities, it really takes 6 months to code an app they already have experience with? Then again, if this is what Google is doing, they may well underestimate how fickle consumers can be when given the choice between gruel and starvation, to the extent they even learn to love the smell of it.
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Google SUCKS....

 

The less money Apple gives to it's enemies the better....  

 

Next on the list is cutting off Samsung.

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They should call it Beta.  That way when the map app doesn't measure up then they can claim its a beta.

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On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past Google to sit on a finished app, and wait until Mapgate reaches a frenzy, before "coming to the rescue" to the extent Apple customers see it that way. As someone else pointed out, even though Google has other larger priorities, it really takes 6 months to code an app they already have experience with? Then again, if this is what Google is doing, they may well underestimate how fickle consumers can be when given the choice between gruel and starvation, to the extent they even learn to love the smell of it.

 

Yeah i don't believe for a second that Google is 'caught off guard' and couldn't produce an app in time. I mean, a small developer can port an app from iOS to Android or vice versa in a matter of weeks. Google knew about this in June, that's months ago. 

 

I feel like they're not submitting the app because they don't want Apple to know what's Google's iOS Maps App so that Apple can't be inspired from it. 

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Sorry I'm late to the party. I scanned through he comments but I did not see anyone mentioning that Google had plenty of time to develop their app since we have known about the Apple Maps for months prior to the announcement because the dev releases have been previewing Maps since around January. This is not credible news in my opinion. Google has a different agenda.

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Keep the faith people. It is important for Apple to introduce Apple Maps ASAP to users and get it into developer's hands in order to start developing layers.

Make no mistake, Google knows what Apple Maps is capable of. The potentials of Apple Maps are limitless and the earlier the better. Development in Apple Maps is much faster than Google Maps and very soon it will surpass Google Maps to become the Killer iOS application that it is.

Keep the faith. Time will tell.

Developers have access to the betas, we don't need this crap on our main devices to develop for it.

But, we need it on our customer's devices to develop for it!
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I don't HAVE to get it! I'm a FUCKING CUSTOMER! Only fanboys and apologists care about crap like that, I just want quality service, and this is not it!

 

An educated customer does care about the platform that he or she buys into.

You can always return the iPhone and get an Android or Blackberry or Windows Phone device.

Good Luck,,,

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Does anyone seriously believe that Google couldn't code a version of Google Maps with the three months notice at WWDC?

If so, Google Maps must be a worse POS than even I thought.

Google doesn't have access to the private APIs on iOS as they do on Android. Apple would be crazy to give Google access to the family jewels. Maps has always been an Apple-written app that used Google data. Apparently, Google would not allow Apple access to advanced data like TBT.

If Google releases a maps app for IOS 6 (or 5 or 4), likely, it will be kludgey and not well integrated into the user experience.

Again, what was Apple to do... And when is the best time to do it?
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 Apple can do no wrong. The Maps apps may work for YOU, but there are millions of people, for which this apps has been a step backwards. Actually the biggest praise has be coming from China and everyone else has been dumbfounded by such an early release. In all your comments it is ME ME ME, sorry but Apple has a bigger consumer base and their admit that the app is not has polished as it should be. As for 'whining' people, we will keep on giving our feedback, to ensure that Maps meets apple standard expected by us the consumer.

 

If you had better things to do, you would not have provided comments, to a article, which is in your mind, is a waste of time.


I did have better things to do, and I went and did them.  I didn't go around having a hissy-fit that a man-made product wasn't perfect.  I accepted it's shortcomings as a first-release and moved on knowing in time it will get better.  Surely, my tune would change if I were paying for a service or a product and it was faulty.  This is not the case.  With Apple's resources and design-mantra, I see Maps rivaling GoogleMaps, if not surpassing it, sooner than later.  I look at the big picture, so should you.  But no, you focus on the "now, now, now" and "I want my 5-minute fix" nonsense.
 

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oh really, you talked to millions of people who all told you that they share your opinion that the app is crap. 

 

your comments are just as much me,me, me, and hyperbolic exaggerations about the extent of the issue. Not to mention just the illogical facts that

 

1. you can still look at Google Maps on the web

2 there are dozens of other map apps you can use, many free

3. you are comparing a just released item with a service that has had close to 10 full years to develop, was utter crap when it started, and isn't even perfection now. for 3 years I've been sending them weekly bug reports about driving directions that tell folks to go the wrong way down a street that has been one way for a good 10 years and they still haven't fixed it


You beat me to it Charli.  Everyone I know that upgraded to iOS6 only had a smattering of curiosities about Apple's maps.  They didn't care.  They too exhibited the same philosophy that it will get better over time and went on with their lives.

Unlike souliisoul which seems to be exhibiting the typical iHating, trolling mentality.  He'd rather mouth-off than actually have a rational, grown-up discussion.  I find a lot of that mentality infesting AI now.

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An educated customer does care about the platform that he or she buys into.

You can always return the iPhone and get an Android or Blackberry or Windows Phone device.

Good Luck,,,

I am positively dumbfounded by how apologetic you (and a couple others) are to Apple's decision here.  There is literally no advantage whatsoever to releasing their proprietary maps app early.  Here's why:

 

1.  Customers are left with a truly inferior experience.  Apple's maps don't have to fail 100% of the time to be inferior to Google's maps.  The fact that Apple's solution is worse in any quantifiable way means it's inferior.  There is no substitute for accurate information and most importantly a LARGE DATABASE OF POIs.

2.  The extra year could have been used to fill in at least a portion of the gaps in their database while Google continued to provide data to customers.

3.  iPhone users have lived without stock turn-by-turn navigation (the only current functional improvement in Apple's maps) since the platform's inception, and they would easily last another year considering that other solutions are available in the App Store.

4.  The average user will not fill in Apple's missing data, much to the chagrin of certain zealots here.

 

In the end it's all about customer experience for the typical user (not the tech-savvy reader of a tech blog).  Do you think my mom cares who provides the map data?  No.  She cares about whether, on average, she can find whatever she's searching for and will compare that to whether or not she could find it before, again on average.  Not being able to find something that could be found before is immediately frustrating and confusing for the average user.  Frustration and confusion are the polar opposites of the iOS user experience up until this point.  Why not admit Apple made a mistake here?

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Wasn't Jobs praised for skating to where the puck is going not where's it's been. Well the puck was stuck near Google for ages and still no turn-by-turn. A bit of pain now a lot of gain later. Good decision, Cook et al!
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Google is a company, like any other company they're after money, and unlike Apple they aren't known for being platform-specific, so the burden of proof lies on your side because there is no logical reason to believe that Google wouldn't be open to such a deal. This is not to mention that Schmidt himself said he was willing to continue the partnership, which is infinitely more evidence than you have.
Slow down and think about what you are saying. A logical reason for Google not to to be open to offering improved capabilities to the old Maps app would to be able to promote Android with a maps app that offered more than IOS. Google would profit by better data-mining and more advertising access through Android. Also don't forget that Google is now in the handset business by way of Motorola. How better to promote your products than by crippling your competitors. This is the same reason that Apple won't license all of their intellectual property. It's product differentiation. The second thing you need to consider, is why take any corporate executive at their word. Just because Schmidt said it doesn't make it a fact. The same could be said of Cook. It's business, sometimes you don't tell the public the complete truth.

Oh yeah, according to your statement, since I found a "logical reason to believe Google wouldn't be open to such a deal", the "burden of proof lies on your side" - sorry but it was your rule not mine.

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Sorry I'm late to the party. I scanned through he comments but I did not see anyone mentioning that Google had plenty of time to develop their app since we have known about the Apple Maps for months prior to the announcement because the dev releases have been previewing Maps since around January. This is not credible news in my opinion. Google has a different agenda.
I kind of wondered about that myself. No one was surprised by Apple developing their our maps solution (at least no one that frequents this forum). The acquisitions Apple made telegraphed this fact well in advance.

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But, we need it on our customer's devices to develop for it!
That did seem kind of obvious...
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post #94 of 183
I am bored reading all these comments and complaint. Here here, I still have my London A-Z map book. It is an irreplaceable icon.
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Bad, bad decision if true. So I wonder who made it - Cook or Forstall?

WTH? Apparently most of you negative Natalie's seem to live life in a complete droid led fog...

Ummm, shills always lie.

The BIGGEST problem and disappointment and complaint with the iOS platform has consistently been the LACK of turn by turn direction ability on the iPhone.

Clearly it WAS and is DOCUMENTED that Steve Jobs himself declared WAR on the Google platform. Apple could not wait any longer to not START this effort. It had to make this move sooner rather than later.

Why o why is the DUMPING of Google maps such a shock to any logically thinking person? And??

The story here is slowly Googles GOLD mine from Apple is quickly coming to an end. A move Wall Street should be HAILING. This will boost Apples iAd business and hurt Google further. Shocked why so many miss the bigger picture here.

For some of the UNEDUCATED here and on other forums -- Apples browser use RULES mobile use. Why would or should Apple give that away to a competitor unmitigated?

I'm like THANK YOU Apple for using your muscle and dumping Google off nearly an audience potential of 300-400 mil users and growing. That's the story. It's a BIGGER blow to Google as a whole than the whiners crying Apples pending demise for "hastily" implementing such a strategy.

While some also keep harping on the years it took Google to gain its mapping data - that's true when there were maybe 1/20th of the number of smartphones in the wild. Apple thru it's OWN users can farm that data at a much quicker pace - which a lot of this PR will push its users to move this even faster.

I've had every iPhone and maybe, maybe I've actually used the old mapping app a dozen times in 5 years. Y? I use navigation in my car. I'm hardly codependent on the app versus the phone. Apple is betting the majority is just like me. And in the end this will be forgotten.

Anyone that cries the iPhone new mapping software is a deal breaker doesn't belong on this platform..

Bottom line. BRAVO Apple for DUMPING Google. That's the real story here. Ouch!!!
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post #96 of 183
What an incredible stupid move! Doesn't Google ever learn? They must be aware that Apple kept on coding for the Intel processor when switching to OSX eventhough that wasn't necessary until 5 years later. Google should've taken not on that fact, and create their own Maps app for iOS the moment they signed their initial contract. They could've submitted their app the day iOS6 came out. Heck, they could've done that even before, but that might've been rejected.
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So not only did Apple put out an inferior product but they did so in a way that would force their customers to go without the best mobile mapping solution on the planet. 

 

Steps Apple could have taken.

 

1. Tell google ahead of time. Have Apple maps preloaded on the iphone, but work with google to have maps app ready to go in the app store, just so their customers that value google maps, in locations where apple maps are unusable had an option.

 

2. Put apple maps as open beta in the app store and keep google maps on the iphone as default.

 

3. Have both google maps and Apple maps on the phone, customers pick. 

 

But what did Apple do. 

 

Tell google so late that they knew there wouldn't be google maps app in the app store, while also releasing thier beta maps app, and calling it a revolution in the mapping industry. 

 

I never thought id see the day where Apple's hatred for a competitor/partner would matter more that customer needs. 

 

Apple hatred for google> apple customers. I wonder if dropping google search in favor of "x seach engine" will come soon. Shame apple, ahame. 

So you reckon people are stupid and don't know how to find their way without online maps. Maybe those using the other platforms are and without turn by turn feature they simply don't know where to go and completely lost.

 

Maps are useful when a person is going to a new address and not somewhere which a person is familiar with.

 

And does turn by turn is the best way to go? for the new and ignorant yes.

 

Apple have to bite the bullet by releasing their map and even if it comes out it a years' time the legions of haters will nitpick and whine.

 

By releasing the map they know what kind of data - complete or completely useless and bow they know.

 

Come back in a years' time and we talk again whether it will be comparable or better than goog's.

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I'm going state it again: I seriously think that Apple is getting ready to sue Google within the next 6 months.
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Street view is still available in iOS6 I have it on my phone and Ipad 'Live street view' works better than the old maps ever did
 

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No, actually there are always at least two choices in any situations. 0 or 1? Yes or No? Either you are with us or against us? And, in this half-baked map debacle, Apple's offer to either their users or Google is: Our way or the highway? 

 

I am not sure how many Apple's users will be turned off by this, perhaps not many, but the ones who are vocal about the map's shortcomings are probably the ones needing this feature the most. They might even start looking at alternatives. If Android and Google are not in their menu, Windows Phone 8 with Nokia's Navteq map technology built-in is an even better choice. 

   

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When it is strategic that people change, you do not offer them two choices -- you offer them one.

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For the record, Street View has NEVER been available on iOS devices... So how exactly did users 'become accustomed' to it?
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For the record, you don't know what you are talking about.
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As Apple you buy a 3D mapping company. Your partner in mapping says screw you, adds 3D mapping, preempts your announcement as yet another screw you. Then yes, you are obligated to tell said partner that continuously screws you over to promptly piss off even it is a year early. Keep up the good fight Apple! Your maps is better in many ways and will be better in all that matter in due course. Keep hitting Google where it hurts (ad revenue).
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This is exactly why in the near future Apple will be the absolute best mapping system. Vector graphics. I guarantee Google know this and are already hard at work copying the SAAB system Apple purchased.

I've seen you mention Apple using vector graphics for their mapping a couple of times as tho it's unique. It's not. I'm guessing that you aren't aware that Google Maps for Android has been doing the same for quite awhile, as does Navteq, Tomtom and others. The raster maps displayed on the iOS version of Google maps isn't what mobile Android owners see, and likely not what iOS users will either if/when Google releases a standalone app.

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Wow.  Wannabe armchair cartographers are out in full force today.  I didn't realize there were so many people qualified to tell Apple what to do.

Maps works great for me.  Google Maps had its hit-and-misses to this day but I don't put them over the fire pit.  Streetview is nice, would be nice to have something similar to that in Apple's offerings but in the end, I don't need street view to get where I'm going.

If I were paying for maps, I would probably raise a stink.  However, since both are FREE services, I can't necessarily whine about it like you guys are.  I have better things to do.  So should you.

That's true.

I liked Google Maps.... but I had to buy Motion X to provide turn-by-turn navigation.

Some people forget that Google Maps on the iPhone were not all things to all people...
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I've seen you mention Apple using vector graphics for their mapping a couple of times as tho it's unique. It's not. I'm guessing that you aren't aware that Google Maps for Android has been doing the same for quite awhile, as does Navteq, Tomtom and others. The raster maps displayed on the iOS version of Google maps isn't what mobile Android owners see, and likely not what iOS users will either if/when Google releases a standalone app.

 

So, see, even GG admits that Google was dumbing down the map experience for iOS users.

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I really don't understand why this gets so much attention.

Its one stinking application. To me its like meeting the most amazing, intelligent, beautiful woman in the world, but constantly complaining about some minor thing "but dude, she doesn't understand football.. I don't think this is gonna last"

Get over it. Give it time, it will fix itself.
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If that's true who ever at Apple made the decision to swap the "old" maps app with the new one is even dumber than I thought.

 

Not if Apple's goal was to hit Google's ad revenue; Had they given them a year's notice before releasing the updated maps, Google might have upstaged them by releasing a native iOS Maps app simultaneously with the release of the new Apple Maps. Since Apple has approved other mapping applications, it would be difficult for them to reject Google Maps.

 

Remember, most people are going to use Apple Maps since it's there. Even some people who would go to Google Maps if there were a choice (and who prefer not to download the web app which is available) may stick with Apple Maps in the interim. And this way, by the time the native Google Maps is out, Apple will have had a few months to make subtle improvements to Apple Maps.

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An educated customer does care about the platform that he or she buys into.
You can always return the iPhone and get an Android or Blackberry or Windows Phone device.
Good Luck,,,

Does that mean you'll pay me 900€ for an iPhone 4S, another 800€ for an iPad 3G, and whoever knows how much I've spent in accessories so far? Because Apple certainly won't!
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Good decision by Apple. The less shit from GG on my iphone the better.

I have no trouble with the maps app, it's as functional as I ever need since I am very good at getting around anyways. I am not one of those dorks that have to stare at a screen pointing the direction everywhere I go. What the hell are these people on? Seriously, I really have a hard time understanding just how lost those people are. Its like they have never went anywhere in their lives without an arrow to point them along. Poor, lost people...

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A logical reason for Google not to to be open to offering improved capabilities to the old Maps app would to be able to promote Android with a maps app that offered more than IOS.

I counter this with the fact that Google has made every other feature available on iOS for free, so the burden of proof is back at you. Show me strong evidence that Google refused or would refuse to agree with Apple if Apple actually paid them.

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Google would profit by better data-mining and more advertising access through Android.

They already benefit from that in iOS.

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Also don't forget that Google is now in the handset business by way of Motorola. How better to promote your products than by crippling your competitors.

Baseless speculation.

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This is the same reason that Apple won't license all of their intellectual property. It's product differentiation. The second thing you need to consider, is why take any corporate executive at their word. Just because Schmidt said it doesn't make it a fact. The same could be said of Cook. It's business, sometimes you don't tell the public the complete truth.

Because there is no reason to believe he's lying. You're speculating on possibilities; I could speculate about all the reasons why Apple doesn't want to go with Google for political reasons either, and we wouldn't end anywhere. You have to show EVIDENCE that he's lying if you want to be taken seriously. because as far as I'm concerned, you're posting BULLSHIT.

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Oh yeah, according to your statement, since I found a "logical reason to believe Google wouldn't be open to such a deal", the "burden of proof lies on your side" - sorry but it was your rule not mine.

Unfortunately your "logical reason" is a lot more complex than mine, so you still have burden of proof because you're the one making the charges. Go ahead fanboy and prove that Schmidt is lying, because your reasoning is based on that assumption.
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The headline here should be "Google loses a massive percentage of its mapping audience!" Google get four times as much revenue from iOS as their own OS have received a massive blow to their business model.
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This report from Mac Rumors seems to sum the situation up nicely with out the histrionics and tabloid slant.

"For its part, Apple apparently felt that the older Google Maps-powered Maps in iOS were falling behind Android — particularly since they didn't have access to turn-by-turn navigation, which Google has shipped on Android phones for several years. The Wall Street Journal reported in June that Google also wanted more prominent branding and the ability to add features like Latitude, and executives at the search giant were unhappy with Apple's renewal terms. But the existing deal between the two companies was still valid and didn't have any additional requirements, according to our sources — Apple decided to simply end it and ship the new maps with turn-by-turn." ...MacRumors
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Google is a company, like any other company they're after money, and unlike Apple they aren't known for being platform-specific, so the burden of proof lies on your side because there is no logical reason to believe that Google wouldn't be open to such a deal. This is not to mention that Schmidt himself said he was willing to continue the partnership, which is infinitely more evidence than you have.

No, I don't have the burden of proof. Apple made a decision. Apple has a very talented management team and has shown a great deal of success and smart decisions for the past decade.

You disagree with them. You need to give some evidence backing your position other than "waaa, waaaa, waaaa. Apple is dumb".

So what's your evidence that your decision is smarter than theirs?

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As Apple you buy a 3D mapping company. Your partner in mapping says screw you, adds 3D mapping, preempts your announcement as yet another screw you. Then yes, you are obligated to tell said partner that continuously screws you over to promptly piss off even it is a year early. Keep up the good fight Apple! Your maps is better in many ways and will be better in all that matter in due course. Keep hitting Google where it hurts (ad revenue).

Well said. Google has shown a willingness to make a crappy app for iOS. Apple desires for its users to have good apps.

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I really don't understand why this gets so much attention.
Its one stinking application. To me its like meeting the most amazing, intelligent, beautiful woman in the world, but constantly complaining about some minor thing "but dude, she doesn't understand football.. I don't think this is gonna last"
Get over it. Give it time, it will fix itself.

Well, "she doesn't understand football" would be a plus in my book, but good analogy.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

The headline here should be "Google loses a massive percentage of its mapping audience!" Google get four times as much revenue from iOS as their own OS have received a massive blow to their business model.

As always, there is a mass media out there that loves sensationalism. If the make the story about Apple, they get lots more hits than if they make it about Google. And the market doesn't seem to understand any of the important issues.
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Originally Posted by skyzlmt View Post

Its one stinking application. To me its like meeting the most amazing, intelligent, beautiful woman in the world, but constantly complaining about some minor thing "but dude, she doesn't understand football.. I don't think this is gonna last"

It's The One Stinking Application that makes me use smartphones. Without it, the entire smartphone is useless to me. It took me years before I began trusting Google Maps, I'm not going to trust anything else any sooner, especially something that can't even find my street that's perfectly charted on the map.

I started using GPSes when maps were considered luxury. In the beginning I only relied on coordinates to get where I wanted, so I'd visit a place once, save its coordinates on my device, and know where to go later if I needed to return. This was pretty good at the time because there really wasn't anything else; sometimes I would also print out local maps to help me navigate to the desired location along with the GPS.

At some point I found a travel agency called Expedia which had a very good interactive tiled map on their site, so I started to harvest their tiles and making my own maps to integrate with my personal GPS app. This marked the first time I had "free" (stolen) maps on a GPS device (a PDA with a compact flash RS-232 GPS). While I couldn't exactly perform searches on those maps because I did not have a database matching named locations on the map to strings, I could at least get rid of the paper maps for navigation purposes.

In 2006 I bought a Nokia N95, and that marked the first time I truly started to trust a GPS device because I could finally search for places directly on the phone and it would take me there. It allowed me to enjoy being in places where I did not know anyone or anything without concerning myself about getting lost. At around the same point I started using Google Maps on the web, which I found trustable too because most of the stuff I looked for was there.

In 2009 I upgraded to a Nokia N900, and while the Maps experience wasn't iPhone-quality, I was no longer required to wait 5 minutes for the GPS to learn its location as it would gather information from several sources, so it was a huge upgrade to me, as I could finally take the phone off my pocket and it would immediately zoom into my location without forcing me to stop. Meanwhile I was getting pretty envious of the people with iPhones due to Google Maps, because at that point I already trusted Google Maps a lot and really did want it on my phone; not only that but Google Maps on the iPhone was extremely fast, it was really an awesome experience, so finally I bought an iPhone 4S.

During all this time I've never been exposed to Android. Would have I been convinced to go the Android route had it happened? Maybe, maybe not; at the time I felt (and still feel) like buying a phone that looks like an iPhone but isn't an iPhone didn't make much sense, so I went with the brand that represented quality to me, and I do not regret that choice because I don't have hindsight bias. Knowing what I knew at the time, there was absolutely no reason for me not to choose Apple.

Searching for locations and having the phone trace either a car or walking route to them is still my primary use for the iPhone, it is the only reason why I use smartphones at all, and it is something that Apple has seriously crippled, not only because their maps have much less data, but because the search is completely broken in some places, essentially leaving me with what I had bcd when I stole maps from Expedia because that's as much as I can trust Apple's Maps at the moment.

I don't really care or see the usefulness in services like satellite view, street view, 3D view, flyover, transit, transportation, or voice directions. I can live perfectly without any of those features because I've never trusted them (transit, transportation) or found them useful (street view, 3D view, flyover, voice directions), but the core mapping and searching functionality is extremely important to me, and at the moment it is unnecessarily crippled for political reasons alone.
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I don't HAVE to get it! I'm a FUCKING CUSTOMER! Only fanboys and apologists care about crap like that, I just want quality service, and this is not it!

 

It was known in advance that the old maps wasn't on iOS6, so you - as a customer - could have waited to upgrade or waited to buy a new iPhone.

So you made the wrong decision, as a customer.

 

If you care to understand Apples decision to develop and use its own maps app, you have to consider that Apples goal isn't to please you.

Apple has to balance short and long term customer satisfaction combined with all kinds of strategic moves to keep its competitors at bay.

So, some damage at the start of a new product launch, could mean a huge win in the long term.

This means probably losing some customers, like you, that they would have lost later on anyhow, but gaining millions of new customers with a more realistic viewpoint.

 

J.

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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post

It's The One Stinking Application that makes me use smartphones. Without it, the entire smartphone is useless to me. It took me years before I began trusting Google Maps, I'm not going to trust anything else any sooner, especially something that can't even find my street that's perfectly charted on the map.

Then you screwed up. If the application is critical to you and nothing else matters, you should have tested all of the options (Mapquest, maps.google.com, iOS 5, iOS 6, Android, etc) thoroughly before making a decision. Since Google has made Google Maps better on Android than on iOS, if Maps is the only thing that matters to you, you should have bought an Android phone.

Just stop pretending that everyone else is like you or that Apple should have changed their business model to satisfy your unusual requirements.
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It was known in advance that the old maps wasn't on iOS6, so you - as a customer - could have waited to upgrade or waited to buy a new iPhone.
So you made the wrong decision, as a customer.

What makes you think I made a decision at all? I'm still running iOS 5.1.1 everywhere! That, however, doesn't mean I shouldn't complain, because iOS 5.1.1 is no longer supported and there are known serious security holes in it (as well as in iOS 6) that will never be fixed. As a customer, that's all I care about. I don't give a flying shit about Apple's inner or outer struggles with the world; they have the money, they could have dealt with it in a way that didn't affect my experience or didn't force me to stick to a firmware that will never receive any updates.
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Then you screwed up. If the application is critical to you and nothing else matters, you should have tested all of the options (Mapquest, maps.google.com, iOS 5, iOS 6, Android, etc) thoroughly before making a decision. Since Google has made Google Maps better on Android than on iOS, if Maps is the only thing that matters to you, you should have bought an Android phone.

Just stop pretending that everyone else is like you or that Apple should have changed their business model to satisfy your unusual requirements.

Can you please name a single retail store that will let me take several phones for a test drive and return them if I'm not satisfied with their quality? How would I test an Android device considering that I don't have access to them? I did test the iPhone because I had several people with access to it, and it did what I wanted; the extra features on Android don't matter to me, so even if an Android phone was available for me to test at the time I would have likely made the same choice.
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Originally Posted by einsteinbqat View Post

Steve Jobs would be so pissed off right now! He would probably be yelling at some people if he was still here.

You don't know that. Steve might have been the one to say to take this path.

Given that we have zero information about what is going on from a real source, zero information about what decisions Steve did or did not make before dying and so on, it is out of line to presume to know what Steve would or would not do or what would or would not piss him off.

And frankly who gives a rats ass. It is not Steve's Apple anymore. He's gone. He apparently told them not to waste time trying to play WWSD but to go with their own minds on things. So if that's true he would have backed their right to make the play even if he didn't agree with it.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

For the record, could you maybe do a single second of research before claiming something?

Street View has been available since iPhone OS 2.2 in 2008.

Regardless of that, Apple was pretty clear when they announced iOS 6 in June that it would not be present so after all the blog etc coverage not that many folks were likely shocked that it was missing, particularly considering how non intuitive it was to invoke compared to the computer web version. ken might not be the only one to think it was never there

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