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Barnes & Noble has announced two new tablets in its latest Nook lineup, led by a larger 9-inch model that will compete more directly with Apple's iPad, as well as the new 8.9-inch Kindle Fire HD.

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The newly unveiled 9-inch Nook HD+ will be priced at $269 for a 16-gigabyte model, while a larger 32-gigabyte capacity will be $299. Customers can preorder starting Wednesday and the devices will ship in late October.

The Nook HD+ has a 1,920-by-1,280-pixel display that packs in 256 pixels per inch. It is laminated to reduce glare and improve viewing angles. It also has a 1.5-gigahertz dual-core processor with a gigabyte of RAM.

In its press release, Barnes & Noble took a shot at Apple's iPad with Retina display, stating that the Nook HD+ "rivals the 'resolutionary' screen of the leading high-resolution large-format tablet." The bookseller also boasted that its new device is 20 percent lighter than the iPad and nearly half the price of the entry-level third-generation iPad.

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"With the combination of the highest resolution screen, lightest weight and expansive access to content rendered in a digital quality never before seen, Nook HD is the world's best 7-inch media tablet," said William J. Lynch, Chief Executive Officer of Barnes & Noble. "We designed our larger format tablet Nook HD+ because we think there?s big demand from customers for a super-light, extremely high quality 9-inch tablet, at half the price of the iPad. Both our 7-inch NOOK HD and 9-inch NOOK HD+ deliver an exceptional customer experience and we enthusiastically encourage customers to go to nook.com and learn more about them."

In addition to Apple's iPad, the Nook HD+ will also compete with the 8.9-inch Amazon Kindle Fire HD. That forthcoming tablet will feature a 1,920-by-1,200-pixel display packed into a screen slightly smaller than the 9.7-inch Retina display on Apple's iPad. The 8.9-inch Kindle Fire HD starts at $299 for the 16-gigabyte model, while the 32-gigabyte version is $369.

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Barnes & Noble will also launch a new 7-inch Nook HD in October. That device will have a screen resolution of 1,440 by 900 pixels, which amounts to 243 pixels per inch. The smaller Nook will run a 1.3-gigahertz processor and weighs 11.1 ounces.

The 7-inch Nook HD is priced at $199 for the 8-gigabyte model, and $229 for a 16-gigabyte version. Both are expandable with microSD cards.

In the 7-inch market, Amazon just launched a smaller Kindle Fire HD earlier this month for $199 with 16 gigabytes of storage. An entry-level Kindle Fire model with 8 gigabytes of storage is priced at $159.

Barnes & Noble and Amazon are increasing their options in the tablet market as Apple is expected to expand its own iPad lineup in the next month with the debut of a new, smaller iPad. The so-called "iPad mini" is rumored to feature a 7.85-inch display.
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Dear Barnes & Noble,

 

I used to enjoy purchasing books at your stores. However, as of late, the front of your store seems to be setup to peddle Nook devices. Have you notice nobody is even standing around your Nook displays? I dislike walking into your stores and being harassed by a salesperson trying to push your failed Nook devices onto me. I would visit a competitor's store instead, but you and Borders assimilated most of the mainstream smaller bookstores, and then Borders closed their doors.

 

Sincerely,

Negafox


Edited by Negafox - 9/26/12 at 9:23am
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I wonder in what area does the screen rival the iPad... It's certainly not resolution. Glare?

 

"No annoying ads"... hahaha. Sounds like a decent offering. What about cellular radio?

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Laggy, slow and ugly. I'm not joking, but I won't buy one if they were $50. Hell, if I was offered one for free and told I couldn't resell it I'd say keep it.

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Dear Barnes & Noble,

 

I used to enjoy purchasing books at your stores. However, as of late, the front of your store seems to be setup to peddle Nook devices. Have you notice nobody is even standing around your Nook displays? I dislike walking into your stores and being harassed by a salesperson trying to push your failed Nook devices onto me. I would visit a competitor's store instead, but you and Borders assimilated most of the mainstream smaller bookstores, and then Borders closed their doors.

 

Sincerely,

Negafox

 That's funny. The B&N I visit at least once a week does have a few Nook tables set up in front as well as a salesperson, but they never bother me with more than a greeting. The other 90-95% of the store still seems to carry the same books, periodicals, music, and movies. Look, my anecdotal experience cancels out yours and the world is in balance again.

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The article doesn't say what operating system it is using. Maybe this version is faster than the last version.

 

I like the SD card feature. That makes the Nook HD more appealing than some tablets without it. I'll wait for some video reviews. The Nexus 7 appeals to me and even the Kindle Fire does. I don't want one of these for playing games. I want it for reading, browsing the web, and streaming video. The one that does the best job will get my money before Christmas.
 

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Laggy, slow and ugly. I'm not joking, but I won't buy one if they were $50. Hell, if I was offered one for free and told I couldn't resell it I'd say keep it.

How do you know it is slow?  I couldn't find any videos showing it in operation.  I like how they only charge $30 for the next 16 Gb of memory and the ability to use SD cards. 

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New sales slogan: We are cheap pieces of crap that are almost as good as an iPad. Gee, sign me up! Nice notch around the bezel. Is that so I can put a clock face on it and hang it around my neck... like the new generation Flavor Flav?
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Awesome. 

 

Another DOA tablet. These also-rans just don't get it. 

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How do you know it is slow?  I couldn't find any videos showing it in operation.

 

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post
Another DOA tablet. These also-rans just don't get it. 

 

Maybe if it was 7.85" it would have a point.

 

Or… not. lol.gif

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Dear Barnes & Noble,

 

I used to enjoy purchasing books at your stores. However, as of late, the front of your store seems to be setup to peddle Nook devices. Have you notice nobody is even standing around your Nook displays? I dislike walking into your stores and being harassed by a salesperson trying to push your failed Nook devices onto me. I would visit a competitor's store instead, but you and Borders assimilated most of the mainstream smaller bookstores, and then Borders closed their doors.

 

Sincerely,

Negafox

 

Have you ever thought that perhaps they are trying to do you a favour?  Whether you like it or not, digital books are catching on faster than greased lightning and regular paper books are fast disappearing in many categories.  Most big box retailers of books are now (primarily) big box retailers of scented candles and calendars as a result.  

 

Perhaps they are trying to make you see that by ignoring this trend your book reading experience will only go downhill from here. 

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Perhaps they are trying to make you see that by ignoring this trend your book reading experience will only go downhill from here. 

 

Until a digital version of a book even has higher resolution images in it than a paper copy, I don't think there's much downhill-going yet.

 

Inexcusable, really.

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30 bucks to go from 16 to 32 GB. Apple should be so generous...
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Perhaps they are trying to make you see that by ignoring this trend your book reading experience will only go downhill from here. 

 

Who's ignoring it? I read plenty of books on my iPad retina.

 

I don't think that the criticism was against e-books. I think it had more to do with the tablet.

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How do you know it is slow?  I couldn't find any videos showing it in operation.  I like how they only charge $30 for the next 16 Gb of memory and the ability to use SD cards

I can see the attraction of the SD card slot, but my guess is that very few people would actually use it if there was an easier alternative. Not that it is hard to use an SD card but my guess is that the 'main stream' wouldn't know what to do with it and if they did, would loose it very quickly. I'd like more memory in my tablet (and phone), no question, but faffing around with SD cards is a pain. Just like CD's, floppy disks, tapes and cables, etc.

 

What Id like to see is an app that lists all your media (with optional description) under media type headings, and gives you two options: delete, and back up & delete. Any media that is already backed up such as anything you have bought from Apple will have 'Back Up' already checked. Every time I upgrade my devices I have to spend ages finding what to delete in different places and it is a pain.

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And so it is...

 

The end of Apple's tablet marketshare domination. thank god. 

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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post
And so it is...

 

The end of Apple's tablet marketshare domination. thank god. 

 

 

Thanks for my joke for the day. That was a pretty good one.


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I can see the attraction of the SD card slot, but my guess is that very few people would actually use it if there was an easier alternative. Not that it is hard to use an SD card but my guess is that the 'main stream' wouldn't know what to do with it and if they did, would loose it very quickly. I'd like more memory in my tablet (and phone), no question, but faffing around with SD cards is a pain. Just like CD's, floppy disks, tapes and cables, etc.

 

I agree it would be nice if there was an alternative but the iPad doesn't provide it either.  I recently wanted to tranfer a large number of work files onto an iPad.  After suckinig up to IT for a week I managed to get iTunes installed but that didn't work.  A USB port would have been nice but no luck there either.  Even the WiFi apps for file transfer don't seem to handle more than one file at a time, and with no WiFi at work it doesn't matter anyway. I understand Apples walled garden approach but I've bumped up against the inside of the wall too many times.  I keep hoping that one of "these also rans" will get it right.

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is this a tablet or an e-reader? that is the question.

It's silly comparing only the specs. Who cares how many GB ram it has... They still don't get it, iPad has an ecosystem, reading books is only one of the features of it.

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Until a digital version of a book even has higher resolution images in it than a paper copy, I don't think there's much downhill-going yet.

Inexcusable, really.

Wrong. The iPad is a retina display which means that your eyes can't perceive individual pixels at the normal viewing distance. Greater resolution does not do you any good.

One could argue about contrast and glare and visibility in bright sun, but your argument that the resolution needs to be higher is just plain false.
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I can see the attraction of the SD card slot, but my guess is that very few people would actually use it if there was an easier alternative. Not that it is hard to use an SD card but my guess is that the 'main stream' wouldn't know what to do with it and if they did, would loose it very quickly. I'd like more memory in my tablet (and phone), no question, but faffing around with SD cards is a pain. Just like CD's, floppy disks, tapes and cables, etc.

It goes beyond that. SD cards are slower then internal RAM. They can jam. They get lost. They are less reliable. They create one more thing to break in the tablet. They use battery power. They take up space which presumably decreases the available battery size.

There are lots of strong arguments against SD slots in a tablet. There is certainly a positive (essentially unlimited storage capacity). Where do the scales tip? I'm inclined to agree with Apple.
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The article doesn't say what operating system it is using. Maybe this version is faster than the last version.

 

I like the SD card feature. That makes the Nook HD more appealing than some tablets without it. I'll wait for some video reviews. The Nexus 7 appeals to me and even the Kindle Fire does. I don't want one of these for playing games. I want it for reading, browsing the web, and streaming video. The one that does the best job will get my money before Christmas.
 

 

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Did you try iTunes file sharing? Pretty fast and easy for transferring files.

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
Wrong. The iPad is a retina display which means that your eyes can't perceive individual pixels at the normal viewing distance. Greater resolution does not do you any good.
One could argue about contrast and glare and visibility in bright sun, but your argument that the resolution needs to be higher is just plain false.

 

… What?

 

If the image is .6 megapixels, it's going to look like TRASH on a 9.8" screen, and I don't care how many pixels it has.

 

I'm saying physical copies of books often have better quality images than their digital equivalents. Case in point, the Steve Jobs biography. And the digital version, despite having no ink or physical size limitations, has no images or other media of any sort beyond what is included in the physical copy. You want digital books to actually replace physical ones, you have to give people a reason beyond "they fit in a smaller case", particularly if the quality is WORSE.

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I like how they only charge $30 for the next 16 Gb of memory and the ability to use SD cards. 

 

I don't really care about SD cards since you have to buy a different type for every device you own plus learn all the little technical details about them to ensure you get one with decent performance.

 

However, I agree about the $30 for 16 GB of memory.  $100 for 16 GB more on the iPhone 5 when you're only paying $180 for the device itself (on contract) is too much imo.

 
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I agree it would be nice if there was an alternative but the iPad doesn't provide it either.  I recently wanted to tranfer a large number of work files onto an iPad.  After suckinig up to IT for a week I managed to get iTunes installed but that didn't work.  A USB port would have been nice but no luck there either.  Even the WiFi apps for file transfer don't seem to handle more than one file at a time, and with no WiFi at work it doesn't matter anyway. I understand Apples walled garden approach but I've bumped up against the inside of the wall too many times.  I keep hoping that one of "these also rans" will get it right.

 

Search the app store.  I sync around 1500 files between my Mac and iPad/iPhone over Wi-Fi using Syncellence.  There's a free version you can try out and make sure it does what you need.

 

With regard to no Wi-Fi at work, just create an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network with your Mac and join it with your iPad.


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… What?

If the image is .6 megapixels, it's going to look like TRASH on a 9.8" screen, and I don't care how many pixels it has.

I'm saying physical copies of books often have better quality images than their digital equivalents. Case in point, the Steve Jobs biography. And the digital version, despite having no ink or physical size limitations, has no images or other media of any sort beyond what is included in the physical copy. You want digital books to actually replace physical ones, you have to give people a reason beyond "they fit in a smaller case", particularly if the quality is WORSE.

You're changing your story.

Your original statement was:
"Until a digital version of a book even has higher resolution images in it than a paper copy, I don't think there's much downhill-going yet."

In the real world, many iBooks (if not most) do have resolution that takes advantage of the retina display, so there is no advantage to higher resolution and your argument fails.

As I said, there are other arguments that could be made (and which you're now trying to make), but the one above is clearly false.
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
You're changing your story.

 

No.

 

In the real world, many iBooks (if not most) do have resolution that takes advantage of the retina display, so there is no advantage to higher resolution and your argument fails.
 

I don't get it. So you're saying the images already take into account a retina display? Okay. So why shouldn't I want images with resolutions slightly (or greatly) higher than that so that I can zoom them? That's the point of the medium; to do things that books cannot. Not to be LESS than what books are. But that's not even the point I'm making.

 

If the resolution of the digital image is less than the resolution of image in the printed book, it's going to look worse at the same size. I don't care how many pixels the screen is. Watching a VHS rip on a Thunderbolt Display doesn't make it look better than watching the same tape on a 21" 3:4 CRT TV. That's the problem; these digital images look worse than the printed ones. There's no reason for that, and it's detrimental to the eBook adoption argument.

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Search the app store.  I sync around 1500 files between my Mac and iPad/iPhone over Wi-Fi using Syncellence.  There's a free version you can try out and make sure it does what you need.

 

With regard to no Wi-Fi at work, just create an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network with your Mac and join it with your iPad.

With my what????  We only have PCs at work and no wifi. My problem isn't with syncing files, it is getting them on the iPad to begin with.

I will check out Sycellence though.  Thanks

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Can I install an iBooks app on it?
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No.

Yes, you are. First you said that there was no way to justify an ereader until it had higher resolution than a paper book. After I pointed out the fallacy in your logic, you started using excuses like lack of pictures, etc.
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I don't get it. So you're saying the images already take into account a retina display? Okay. So why shouldn't I want images with resolutions slightly (or greatly) higher than that so that I can zoom them? That's the point of the medium; to do things that books cannot. Not to be LESS than what books are. But that's not even the point I'm making.

Yes, you don't get it. The sad thing is that you refuse to educate yourself on the subject.

An iBooks image is a retina image. Its resolution is finer than your eye can see. Zooming might be an issue - except that you're comparing it to paper books and the last time I checked, you can't zoom a paper book.
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If the resolution of the digital image is less than the resolution of image in the printed book, it's going to look worse at the same size. I don't care how many pixels the screen is. Watching a VHS rip on a Thunderbolt Display doesn't make it look better than watching the same tape on a 21" 3:4 CRT TV. That's the problem; these digital images look worse than the printed ones. There's no reason for that, and it's detrimental to the eBook adoption argument.

That's true - if you're looking at low resolution bitmapped images. But that's not what we're talking about.

Now, if you had said that you couldn't justify an eBook because the ancient bit-mapped images you're looking at wouldn't look as good as a paper book, that would have been a reasonable argument. But your blanket statement that eBooks are useless because they don't have greater resolution than paper is just plain false.
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Electronic books do have the advantage of immortal back catalogs. Nothing ever has to go out of print, ever. Plus my local indy bookstore has something over 120,000 titles and I still run into stock gaps and out of print titles. Plus there are publishers such as BAEN who directly sell ebooks at very competitive prices.

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
First you said that there was no way to justify an ereader until it had higher resolution than a paper book.

 

Nope! Said that the list of benefits is shorter if there's no improvement in that category.


An iBooks image CAN BE a retina image. Its resolution CAN BE finer than your eye can see.

 

Here's what you mean to say. What you said is far from universally the case.

 

That's true - if you're looking at low resolution bitmapped images. But that's not what we're talking about.
 

We're not talking about the images that come in books available on the iBooks Store? Then what're we talking about?

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With my what????  We only have PCs at work and no wifi. My problem isn't with syncing files, it is getting them on the iPad to begin with.

I will check out Sycellence though.  Thanks

 

I'm pretty sure you can create an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network with most PCs as well.  Check the network settings.  I know I can do it with Windows 7 running on my Mac under Boot Camp, but the only true PC machine I have here is running Linux (router/NAS).

 

And that's what syncing files is: getting a set of files from one device to another all in one shot (rather than one-by-one).  Put all the files you want into a single folder on your PC, then sync that folder over to your iPad.

 
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My 70 y.o brother chose the B&N tablet because it's easy to use & free local help at the local store. And the price was right. This was in spite of my encouraging him to consider the iPad(where I could provide tech help) and even the Kindle (sorry).

Lesson? Niche products are targeted towards specific customers that have specific values. And the Nook tablet wins with these folks. And that's OK.
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We're not talking about the images that come in books available on the iBooks Store? Then what're we talking about?

 

You two are obviously just talking around in circles.

 

Am I correct in stating that your point is that the images currently in most e-books are lo-res, and that his point is that they do not have to be? 

 

If images are poor in e-books, then that is not the fault of the device, as the retina display is pretty darn good, it must be the fault of whoever is publishing those e-books and making the decision to not use higher-res images.

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Am I correct in stating that your point is that the images currently in most e-books are lo-res, and that his point is that they do not have to be? 

 

If images are poor in e-books, then that is not the fault of the device, as the retina display is pretty darn good, it must be the fault of whoever is publishing those e-books and making the decision to not use higher-res images.

 

Right. And RIGHT! Many publishers would be hard pressed to be much more resistant to taking advantage of the medium. And then they whine when the books don't sell well.

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I'm pretty sure you can create an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network with most PCs as well.  Check the network settings.  I know I can do it with Windows 7 running on my Mac under Boot Camp, but the only true PC machine I have here is running Linux (router/NAS).

 

And that's what syncing files is: getting a set of files from one device to another all in one shot (rather than one-by-one).  Put all the files you want into a single folder on your PC, then sync that folder over to your iPad.

Just took a look.  There is no wifi card and even if there was everything is locked down with administrator privileges.  My iPad is wifi only so I can't access iCloud from work.  Well I have used my iphone as a hotspot but prefer not to.  Wifi is in the testing stage so maybe in 6 month something will work.

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Just took a look.  There is no wifi card and even if there was everything is locked down with administrator privileges.  My iPad is wifi only so I can't access iCloud from work.  Well I have used my iphone as a hotspot but prefer not to.  Wifi is in the testing stage so maybe in 6 month something will work.

 

ok, sounds like they have you locked down pretty tight there.  If you really need to do this for work purposes, then I'd make a case with your admin about it.  The nice thing about the app I recommended is that it all works locally (no cloud server) so there's no need to open things up to the Internet at all (which makes admins much happier).

 

Anyways, we've gotten way off topic here, but I just wanted to clear up the misconception that Apple's walled garden completely prevents you from being able to do more advanced things (like general purpose file syncing/sharing).  Most things are possible via apps, but the quality of the apps varies a lot and so you might need to do a bit of hunting to find exactly what you need (word of mouth and trial versions are good).  Then cross your fingers that the app developer is dedicated enough to keep it working over time.  For example, early on there was a fairly decent file syncing app called File Magnet.  It's still around, but it appears to be abandonware at this point.

 
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