How Google was "skyhooked" by Apple's new iOS 6 Maps - Page 3

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Originally Posted by jnjnjn 

 

His name is above the article.

Painful indeed.

 

J.

You know, I never noticed names of authors on AI until Dilger came along.  Then I noticed there were lots of posts that, surprise, sounded like that RoughlyDrafted guy.  Guess what?

I don't really read AI like I would, say, The New Yorker.  But you know, touche to you or whatever.  ;)

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Originally Posted by John.B 

 

What's painful is watching you show the world how clueless you are.  His name is in the byline of the original article:

 

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/26/how-google-was-skyhooked-by-apples-new-ios-6-maps

 

:facepalm:

Oh, touche for you too, I guess.  See, here's the deal: I don't really care who the author is unless the stuff is operatively different from what I expect.  You don't have to read the byline.  It's called tmesis.

Guess I should have been more clear (and I'll facepalm myself if either of you meant what you wrote literally): It's obviously not like figuring out the author's penname takes any sleuthing.  Rather, I usually skip the author's name, since I generally don't really care who it is, as long as it's up to AI's usual standards.  I'm just reading this stuff quickly during lunch or after work or whatever.  If I notice a clear break from genre, I'll occasionally bother to go back and check for a name.  It's like the Sesame Street chestnut, "Which one of these things is not like the other?"  In Dilger's case, imo, ianal, ymmv, the break from expectations is for the worse.  /shrug  You can disagree.  No big deal.  Just thought I'd let the other guy know I, too, believe this is RoughlyDrafted style material.

As the OP to this thread of posts said, Dilger's composition here is better suited to RoughlyDrafted than what I usually see at AI.  I'd rather see the source change than have to notice the byline.

Got it?  ;^D

Originally Posted by Corrections 
It's worked so well for the guy behind the other six accounts that constantly fume about every DED article without articulating any real grievances. 

Which six account would these be? As our rules state you may only have one active account, five of them need to be deleted.

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Originally Posted by haar 


and when (or if) Google provides a map app for iOS 6, do you think that the Andriod manufacturers will not complain that Apple is getting a free map app, whereas the Andriod Licensee Pays for the map app?.
which is why Google will provide street view on the web app, and leave it at that...

No, I don't think they will because they're paying for a lot more than maps when they license Android.  Google already put the Android versions of Google+ and YouTube on the App Store, and nobody batted an eye.  Arguably those apps aren't quite as high on the list of differentiating factors of the Android platform, but they are now equivalent regardless.

And by the way, here's a big, fat LOL at Daniel defending his own articles under an alias.  If you don't like the heat, then don't post flamebait!

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Originally Posted by Pendergast 

I don't really see the problem with any of the posts you reported, even if the poster is DED using a pseudonym.
AppleInsider isn't the WSJ. It's an Internet blog basically.
Also, the original poster was being, well, an slang term for the male organ.

Because it's against the forum rules to call someone a pretentious dick.  

If it isn't against forum rules then I would be quite happy to state that DED is a massive douchebag that makes Apple fans look like asses and we would be well rid of him.

Perhaps someone could send him a large check to be a WinPhone 8 fan instead.  

This article seems to trivialize the valid complaints about the apple maps app. I'm not sure why, but the article came off as dogmatically dismissive of widespread criticism.

Keep in mind that this sentiment isn't coming from an android or anti-apple user. Rather, I consider myself to be a satisfied iOS and Mac user. I absolutely love most apple products and features of apple products... except the new maps app.

I don't know enough about existing contracts between the companies to comment on if it made good business sense. However it is absolutely clear that the new maps app is a massive step backwards. It provides less detail, it is less accurate and it has serious visual design problems. While turn by turn is appreciated, this was already available to iOS users via other apps. What's missing now are quality maps, both in the native app and in other apps via the public API.

This setback to the iOS user experience can and will be remedied, at least to some degree. But as it stands right now, maps on iOS are pathetic. Yes pathetic. This isn't just an unfinished product. Rather, it shows signs of incompetence at upper levels of the development team. Need one example? The fact that one way street indicators aren't displayed much of the time, and when they are displayed, they're almost invisible. No competent manager/lead-designer/interaction-designer would have let such a massive blunder find its way into a public release. This isn't like not having access to an accurate database of map data. Instead it is just plain and simple incompetent product development.

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Originally Posted by Mechanic 

You mean google treated apple users like crap because it told apple that turn by turn and mass transit and pedestrian traffic and traffic reroutes were android only and meant to differentiate the android app from the apple app therefore placing all apple users at the short end of the stick?  I thought so.. Good riddance  to Google.  The carpet bagger company of all time...

+1 (or is that +1,000). Thank you, Mechanic, for your succinct comments. I'd say RIPGoogle but that's being too kind.

Clearly you can't read the numerous independent reports and analysis and I for one am not going to do your homework I have read and looked at the evidence compared the Apple product with Google and there is no doubt that Apple seems to be a full generation behind.  Lazy people don't impress me and the evidence is there and has been quoted at least a dozen times in the various posts.

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Originally Posted by ernysp76 

Clearly you can't read the numerous independent reports and analysis and I for one am not going to do your homework I have read and looked at the evidence compared the Apple product with Google and there is no doubt that Apple seems to be a full generation behind.  Lazy people don't impress me and the evidence is there and has been quoted at least a dozen times in the various posts.

Oh, look, another new guy (four whole posts) telling us we can't read and we're lazy and that he's not going to do our homework for us.  :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by John.B 

 

Oh, look, another new guy (four whole posts) telling us we can't read and we're lazy and that he's not going to do our homework for us.  :rolleyes:

Block member is now a top level menu pulldown.  Beats the old system where you had to take a few more steps than that.

Originally Posted by nht 
Block member is now a top level menu pulldown.  Beats the old system where you had to take a few more steps than that.

That's probably one of the few things that could be considered a user-side "benefit" in Huddler. I quote that only because I don't see the Ignore List as a benefit, but that's me.

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Originally Posted by nht 

Block member is now a top level menu pulldown.  Beats the old system where you had to take a few more steps than that.

Just providing a public service, pointing out the trollsome behavior of some of the astroturf Fandroid crowd.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

That's probably one of the few things that could be considered a user-side "benefit" in Huddler. I quote that only because I don't see the Ignore List as a benefit, but that's me.

Liberal application of the banhammer would be a benefit but that ain't gonna happen.

Down voting trolls into oblivion would be a benefit but that ain't gonna happen either.

So ignore lists is what we got.

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Originally Posted by nht 

 

Liberal application of the banhammer would be a benefit but that ain't gonna happen.

 

Down voting trolls into oblivion would be a benefit but that ain't gonna happen either.

 

So ignore lists is what we got.

An inadvertent benefit for "trolls" is that their posts don't get challenged by those with facts to show otherwise. A casual visitor or non-member of the forum (the biggest majority of readers by far) might be left with the impression the "trolls' comments are valid if no one calls them out due to the most knowledgeable members having that poster on ignore.

Of course if you're only looking out for yourself and truth be damned, using ignore is fine. The truly "trollish" posters with an agenda would probably prefer to be on everyone's ignore list, thus avoiding anyone here questioning their posts or pointing out fallacies.

Originally Posted by nht 
Liberal application of the banhammer would be a benefit but that ain't gonna happen.

Request a policy change! Write up what you'd like to see in the form of a new rule and start a thread on your position. Get others to enter the thread and discuss. Eventually site management will respond, hopefully in the form of a poll allowing users to choose the implementation, or by outright accepting what was discussed.

I disagree. I'm glad there's no "downvote" button. Our current setup forces people to reply to things with which they disagree instead of blindly and without accountability harming said position. When forced to reply, the validity of the downvoter's opinion is then given equal exposure, allowing all to see both sides and determine for themselves.

I actually don't like the "upvote" button, either. Sure, it gets some valid use, but it has only ever been consistently used by trolls upvoting each other.

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Originally Posted by John.B 

 

Oh, look, another new guy (four whole posts) telling us we can't read and we're lazy and that he's not going to do our homework for us.  :rolleyes:

So great welcome!!!  Real friendly place a NOOB gets the royal treatment from someone who is too lazy to read.  Maybe you should ask Siri to read for you.   Oh look the Apple CEO has decided to apologies for the mapping program, despite people on here still trying to defend what has always been the indefensible, and look Apple shares have also taken a dive.  Maybe Apples best friends are not the blind followers but instead those that can see through the hype and see the product more objectively.  Those on here that go the person every time anyone points out that a Apple product is found to be inferior, by the majority of the World including it would now seem the CEO of the company, are not the true friends of Apple but are instead ignorant and it would seem illiterate!  

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Originally Posted by ernysp76 

So great welcome!!!  Real friendly place a NOOB gets the royal treatment from someone who is too lazy to read.  Maybe you should ask Siri to read for you.   Oh look the Apple CEO has decided to apologies for the mapping program, despite people on here still trying to defend what has always been the indefensible, and look Apple shares have also taken a dive.  Maybe Apples best friends are not the blind followers but instead those that can see through the hype and see the product more objectively.  Those on here that go the person every time anyone points out that a Apple product is found to be inferior, by the majority of the World including it would now seem the CEO of the company, are not the true friends of Apple but are instead ignorant and it would seem illiterate!  

I see the trolls have crawled out from under their bridges again.  

Steve Jobs said: Some mistakes will be made along the way thats good, it means there are decisions being made, and when we find mistakes we'll fix them. We need to support that team. Mistakes will be made, some people will be pissed off, some don't know what they are talking about. 1997 The video is on youtube.

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Originally Posted by ernysp76 

So great welcome!!!  Real friendly place a NOOB gets the royal treatment from someone who is too lazy to read.  Maybe you should ask Siri to read for you.   Oh look the Apple CEO has decided to apologies for the mapping program, despite people on here still trying to defend what has always been the indefensible, and look Apple shares have also taken a dive.  Maybe Apples best friends are not the blind followers but instead those that can see through the hype and see the product more objectively.  Those on here that go the person every time anyone points out that a Apple product is found to be inferior, by the majority of the World including it would now seem the CEO of the company, are not the true friends of Apple but are instead ignorant and it would seem illiterate!  

Apparently your self-regard can be classed as "overweening".And you are uninformed.

Cheers