Google's "iLost" Motorola ad faked an address to "lose" iOS 6 Maps - Page 5

 

It's wrong because the given address was totally irrelevant. It's like you wanted to find a ghost and IOS 6 showed some living person's face.

There should be no substitution for anything that did not exist. Now if IOS 6 Map searched in a table that contained correct address, I think Apple would need to pay Google to use their search algorithm, simply the best.

 

Tagging might be patented by Google.

I don't see the connection.

 

You've never had your search result replaced with a pin to one of Google's sponsored links?  And then -- from the search field or from the Maps history -- been given directions to the address at the sponsored link?  Appalling.

You have it wrong.

They entered 315 E 15th St. Apple gave you the location of the nearest 315 E 15th St - which happened to be in Brooklyn a few miles away.

Arguably, if you enter an address, which is more correct? To send people to an imaginary address or to send them to the correct address a few miles away? A very strong argument could be made that Apple is the one who handled it correctly.

 

Since the day the forums were created. Maybe you should pay more attention to the words you say instead of just spewing crap in every direction.

 

See, I'm reading words here, but they make absolutely no sense at all.

Well, I'm just guessing about something complicated. Forget what I said. Anyway, I think there's no defense nor excuse for how IOS 6 Map returns an irrelevant address to a non existing address. Think of the problem as it is with a GPS. You type in a bad address, non existing, it tells you to drive and drive and drive to waste $5 of gas to some strange place instead of telling you "no, no such address." Luckily, it's just map browsing, but it could drive and drive and drive the mind of the user to Lahlahnutty Land. Whatever Google/Motorola did with a bad address to test out IOS 6 was relevant and professional. Apple should take note, thank them then fixes the problem.

There were two posts in this thread alone of mine that were deleted.

That is no fantasy...there were other posts in other threads that were also deleted.

It happens...maybe not to you because you deify a corporation...but it happens.

If it were up to you you'd murder about 90% of the world's population.

Thankfully very little is up to you.

It makes sense but it is misguided. He doesn't understand what it means to make hardware.

This has to be the most cult-like comment on this board...and you probably do not even realize how.

That is totally not true.

 

I'd estimate that the real figure is closer to 10%.

It depends a bit on what you regard as an irrelevant address. Search algorithms are generally programmed to be helpful for malformed or incomplete queries, and so returning the nearest likely address is not necessarily a bad result.

However, that doesn't appear to have been the issue here; originally iOS maps seemed to return the "correct" address when "Manhattan" was included in the query, but not if it was omitted. Now it works either way. That rather kills the argument that iOS maps correctly identified the nearest instance of that address, since it clearly does recognize it as a valid address.

 

Actually I remember that article.  I get where you're coming from now.  

 

My initial argument was a reaction to Quadra 610's post.  That post argued Google was worried about losing ground in the Navigation market  I do not follow that logic as it is way to easy for Google to release Google Maps for iPhone.  Plus, the overall reaction from the media has been somewhat pro-Google, whether justified or not.  It just didn't add up to me.

 

But your argument makes far greater sense.  Now that Apple has ditched YouTube and Maps,Google has lost a huge revenue stream they won't get back.  THAT could lead to desperation.

 

I'm sold.  

 

Oh, and thanks for making your case without labeling me or insulting my mother.  Many people around here don't seem to have your manners.

I sacrifice a goat every time I have to restart my Mac. All hail our bootstrap overloads! Do I have the most cult-like comment on the board now?

Being you're one of the most reasonable posters on any board I've ever been on I'd first assume a goat hacked your account than assume you've lost your mind.

well played...

 

Censorship is when government prohibits or suppresses speech, the press, expression, etc.

 

That doesn't give you the right to be heard on someone else's press (or forum software).  OTOH, you are free to buy your own press to print or post whatever you'd like, in the unlikely event you could find anyone interested in reading what you have to say.

Or maybe Apple simply caved in to all the BS flying around.

Furthermore, the entire argument is stupid. No one denies that there are errors in Apple's Maps. Just like there are errors in Google's Maps. And Tom-Tom. And Mapquest. And every other mapping program on the planet. Google is making a big deal out of one address. Apple could do the same thing to them.

Until someone actually demonstrates that there are significantly more errors on Apple's program than on Google's, it's nothing more than FUD.

Thanks. I certainly try to look at multiple sides of an issue.

 

It doesn't seem reasonable to call it "caving", since they obviously needed to remove the inconsistency between the results with and without "Manhattan" in the query.

 

If Google Maps continue to redirect search destinations to paid sponsored link ads, Apple would be well within their rights to reject their app.

This on Twitter, can someone clarify the situation (haven't read all posts yet)

 

 

An account set up just to push Google's case...

 

Surely you must've not known that this is the walking route suggesting to use two ferry connections to cut 6 hours of travel time?

No problem, your mistake, all is forgiven.

 

What is that?

You don't like how Google is patronizing you on your spiritual journey to enlightenment, tainting it by suggesting another form of transportation instead of walking to shorten your trip?

Well, lucky you there is a big hint that ferries are included in the route and an option to exclude the ferries and get a walking only-route!

 

Disingenuous posts like that no matter what company you prefer should be a bannable offense, it just poisons the conversation.

 

 

Yes, I just registered for this post to highlight this travesty.

 

 

They've deleted four of your posts?

 

I'm outraged!

 

Mods, why aren't you deleting MORE!!!

Well isn't that lovely, moderated posts by the mods so my debunking post doesn't show up.

I wonder how so many troll posts still make it past that.
 

I am not familiar with app submission guidelines, but I am assuming Google is from the number of apps they have in the App Store. IF Google does release the app, and I could care less if they do, I am sure they COULD do what they need to do to get it approved. Or they'll submit it, knowing it will be rejected, and the moan and cry "foul".

Point is they've got plenty of apps on iOS and know how to get them approved, so they could again.

 

That's actually our bot, Defensio. It learns what we teach it, and so it catches a majority of the spam that hits the forums, and that alerts us to enact on it.

 

… It has also learned, on its own, to block some posts that we as humans would consider trolling. Take that as you will. But neither of your posts were deleted by human hands.

 

Here's that last post restored. I think it would have been a favor not restoring it… 

 

So a post about exposing people's lies should've better stayed hidden?

Is that how this forum works here?

 

I only registered here because when I first saw that particular image a few days ago, I wasn't believing that it would be that bad on Google's side, so I tried the route myself - with the aforementioned results.

So anyone using that in a discussion about mapping services doesn't seem honest to me, same stuff happens probably with those tumblr images for the new iOS maps.

 

*edit* Too much I in here.

 

In case you missed the earlier discussion, the US Postal Service says it's not: https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupResultsAction!input.action?resultMode=0&companyName=&address1=315+E+15th+St&address2=&city=new+york&state=NY&urbanCode=&postalCode=&zip=

 

 

The ironic thing is that Google's own Street View even shows that "address" isn't an address at all:

 

 

It does make a thinking person wonder whether Bing, Google, Nokia, and MapQuest are all using the same source.  But I'm sure facts won't matter to the Fandroids.

 

Simply because of how I perceive you will take the responses that I assume you will receive for it. Nothing more. 

Google Maps hasn't had my (inner city) address correct in several years.

 

This phrase. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Perhaps there are more fanboys here than you think.

B-b-b-ut we just met! I can change! /s

 

Anyway anyone can try out that particular example for themselves.

And once again, why does an "address" have to have a building on it? As long as there is a USPS authorized mail receptacle, they will deliver mail to an empty lot. How do I know this? Because I once built a house on a virgin lot, and a mailbox was put up before anything else and guess, what, the USPS delivered mail to an empty lot.

315 E 15th Street is as valid an address for Stuyvesant Square as any other contained in that particular block. Just because the USPS won't deliver to it, doesn't invalidate it as an address to the city, county, state and federal government. The NYC parks department even indicates that the park encompasses a series of addresses with specified boundaries on its website, since the park itself does not officially have an address.

As I pointed out before, Apple Maps actually gives the park an address -- 297 2nd Ave, an address which the USPS also says is NOT a real address, not to mention that the NYC parks does not acknowledge a specific address. So Apple is telling me incorrect information, and giving me a fake address that nobody would ever go looking for.

Honestly I don't understand why you continue to make this issue out of the address being real simply because it is not aknowledged by the USPS. It's a real address to the City of NY, so it's real. Everywhere somebody wants to go doesn't have to be an address that accepts mail. Yes Google picked a bad example, yes very few people would actually ever look for that address, and using it undermines and potentially discredits anything they hoped to accomplish with that ad.

But as far as the ad is concerned, clearly someone was looking for a spot on the SE corner of Stuyvesant Square, and not a location in Brooklyn. As I mentioned before, Apple Maps gives the park an erroneous address too. So what happens if someone looks at Apple's Maps and gives someone the address Apple incorrectly assigns to the Park? The person they gave it to searches for an address which according to your methodology is NOT a real address. So how could this have happened in the Google Ad? Simple, someone plopped down a pin where they wanted to meet their friend and gave them the resulting address. And guess what, you do that in Apple Maps and it gives you the same address.

So you may not agree with it, but both Apple and Google's Maps apps both show such property address, which are indeed real, whether the USPS delivers mail there or not.
Edited by Mac_128 - 9/27/12 at 9:58pm

Guys, don't take my word for it, type "315 E 15th St, NY" into Google Maps and have a look around for yourselves with Street View.  No mailbox in site.  Maybe this is where the local druggies go to score, that would explain the police tape in the fourth picture...

 

Click each image for full sized view.

 

Here's the spot Google Street View says is the so-called address (the red "A" in the lower left):

 

A view of the park looking down (the same location for the red "A"):

 

And zoomed out to show the park takes up the length of the whole block (again, the same location for the red "A"):

 

And a view of the park from the side street (nice police tape):

 

It's fun to use Google to refute Google!

Sorry DeD, but the address was not "faked".  DEBUNKED http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/sorry-apple-fans-the-googlemotorola-fake-address-scandal-is-no-scandal-at-all/

 

The fact that Apple "Fixed" the issue means that they had it wrong in the first place, and Google was right. I know that's hard to admit defeat here in AI, but it's okay. It's not the end of the world that Apple decided to downgrade the experience of iOS, it's for everyones benefit...

LOL'd

It's called an example that I pulled from Google images to illustrate that Google Maps isn't always going to be perfect. Here is another.



Do you want to argue this is just a "walking route" to help you get more exercise and see the sights?

Bottom line: Apple's maps are flawed but for you et al. to make sweeping implications that Google Maps is flawless isn't only BS but also a bit insane as there are real arguments you could make against Apple Maps if you actually put in the effort to form a cogent argument.

Note that I have said since the first iOS 6 beta they are shipping Apple Maps too soon, although having to re-negotiate a deal with Google month before iOS 7 or having to replace the Maps app mi iOS 6 cycle are neither good solutions so this is the best of bad options they had to chose from, which solidifies the need even more than ever that Apple needs to control their Maps app.