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Losing Google's YouTube App on iOS:
No biggie...we don't have to watch Gangnam Style

Losing Google Maps on iOS:
Millions of users in the Apple community disoriented...Apple, this is a monumental and fundamental part of what makes the iPhone or any smartphone a fledging Internet communications device. We have become so dependant on this in our daily lives and we take google maps as a feature that we pay for on iPhone having paid 1000's of dollars on products.

 

Another Google apologist.  Here's your Google maps on iOS:  http://maps.google.com  Enjoy your fake addresses.

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I love reading the Apple boards and Android boards for a good laugh...with the way some of you people react you would thing someone from the other side just walked in a kicked your puppy...
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Sorry to burst your bubble, fellas, but the address is REAL. Do a search in any mapping app and you'll see. SORRY!
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In spite of all the noise, there's not one shred of evidence that Apple's Maps is significantly worse than the other options out there. They all have failures.

 

There's only no evidence if you ignore that fact that many people don't like it, and I have asked around.  Are they being influenced by the media?  Probably.

 

I've had my own issues when doing tests, though nothing I am terribly upset about it.  I was just testing it based on problems others had told me about and I had read about.  I did similar searches and experienced similar problems.  For me, it's no big deal.  But I don't like to dismiss what other people think as irrelevant or "noise".  I don't believe Apple will either.

 

There are alternatives, and like you said, nothing is perfect.  So I do think the media is blowing it WAY out of proportion.  

 

 

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Nokia: fakes (recent photo faking)

Google/Moto: fakes

 

This is what desperation does. 

 

Google is afraid to lose a massive chunk of the maps/navigation market. Not to mention the most well-heeled segment of the market. The more successful Apple gets, the more they are fulfilling Steve Jobs' vision: to go it alone, and provide the most integrated complete end-to-end experience possible. 

 

As for Nokia. Well, that's just sad, in a way. 

 

I think Motorola and other handset makers will make a play to the (real or imagined) dissatisfaction people have towards iOS maps in the hopes they can lure a few people to Android.  It sort of makes sense.  Android still has Google Maps and iOS does not.  If you trick yourself into thinking Google Maps was the only reason people had an iPhone, then you may convince yourself it's a good play.  I am sure they won't find much success. I gave up my Android for iPhone knowing full well I'd have to find a 3rd party to provide turn-by-turn navigation.  Navigation is a bonus for me and an anyone with an iPhone.  If its your reason for having a smartphone, you probably have an Android phone already.

 

The thing I see as desperate is other handset makers grasping at any straw they can find to try and chip away at the Apple juggernaut.  I honestly doubt there is much fear or desperation over iOS maps...yet. I am confident Apple will find away to take maps and navigation to a whole new place, and I am excited about that.  But that day hasn't arrived.  


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Another great, detailed article Daniel. Thank you
I've lost any remaining trust in Google. I've switched all my default search to Bing. It's actually pretty darned good. I recommend everyone giving it try

 

why in the world would anyone who does not work for Microsoft use that absolutely horrid Bing?  Bing Is Not Google because it sucks horribly.  Microsoft is much more evil than Google...by a zillion miles.

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Sorry, not a troll.


Sorry, but when you don't enter a city, how can you complain that the map doesn't give you the city you want? Do you expect it to have ESP?
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Apple's map still can't find my home address with apartment number, which is 1845 1/8...I even reported this to apple 3 times by hitting the button for that. The advertisement seems valid to me. Can't wait for google maps app.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, fellas, but the address is REAL. Do a search in any mapping app and you'll see. SORRY!

 

So, in other words, the truth is what Google says it is?

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Why not test happens if you put in properly formatted addresses like

 

"315 E 15th St

New York, NY 10003"
 
If you put in a good address iOS Maps finds it.
 
The map issues peopleare having seem to be a combination of Search results issues (local search when you don't enter in a city name, or a zip code), landmarks, and POIs, but I haven't see an issue yet where a real address entered with the city is wildly off.
 
I'll concede  that right now Google local search seems superior (if a little slanted toward sponsored results in some cases.)
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Sorry, but when you don't enter a city, how can you complain that the map doesn't give you the city you want? Do you expect it to have ESP?

I entered the same address on my iPad without any city, and the very first suggestion that pops up is the correct city.

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Another Google apologist.  Here's your Google maps on iOS:  [URL=http:]http://maps.google.com [/URL] Enjoy your fake addresses.
Fake addresses or noi, I'll have much more faith in Nokia's Navteq (which finds this "fake" address) over anything apple is pushing.

Its surprising to see all these other mapping companies have it wrong.
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Apple Maps may not be as polished as Google maps but really? Make up a fake address? I expect nothing less from the competition and haters. They are definitely doing their job well.

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Isn't it better to take a non-existent address to somewhere that's close. If I was local, maybe I haven't been to the particular area but I would guess the general area of that address to be there like Google Maps shows. At least that's how I would give directions if a stranger comes up to me and asks for an address like that.
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Sorry, but when you don't enter a city, how can you complain that the map doesn't give you the city you want? Do you expect it to have ESP?

 

 

Actually, has been an issue for me too.  Google maps would assume you meant an address close to you and start by looking close to your location.  This is one of the issues people are complaining about.  I actually experienced this issue today myself, but knew what happened and quickly entered a city and got the right location.  But that just shows I've grown dependent on it assuming I mean something nearby.

 

I don't consider it a big deal, but it is a step back.  

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Sorry, not a troll.

 

Where is there a real street named "15st"? Don't you mean "15th ST"?

 

And what happens when you include a city? You think that'd help a little?????

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Two phones, same address, different results! But hey!, the address is kind of sort of not valid. Ugh, when when Motorola, I mean Android, I mean Google stop this low down dirty lying and stealing?!! Look, they even say that their phone is fit for your hand but we all know that only Apple know what the precise phone size is and that's one with a 3.5", I mean, 4" screen.
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I entered the same address on my iPad without any city, and the very first suggestion that pops up is the correct city.

 

Any difference in city, without one entered, is probably related to your current location (or at least your last known one, or previous searches, or area displayed in maps). So, it's entirely possible that entering an address without a city can give different results.

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I agree. Try "coney island, brooklyn" with or without the comma. Gives you a bizarre location in Brooklyn, miles from Coney Island.

 

I don't know why Google/Motorola was stupid enough to use a fake address. There are plenty of real ones that don't work.

 


Yeah, like inputting "Columbia, SC" and getting Santiago de Cali in the country of Columbia.

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Do you think the reason that they didn't use an actual address is the same reason they use fake addresses 555 numbers in TV/Movies/Advertising?  Surely one of you caught that.  There are so many bugs with Maps that Apple is lucky they made this ad so tame.

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There's only no evidence if you ignore that fact that many people don't like it, and I have asked around.  Are they being influenced by the media?  Probably.

Of course they were influenced by the media.

And "I have asked around" is not valid evidence. When you ask people in your fandroid club, what do you think they're going to say?

As I said, there is absolutely no valid evidence that you're any more or less likely to get an error with Apple's Maps than with Google's Maps or anyone else's maps. Maybe Apple Maps does have a big problem, but you can't tell that from the volume of whining on forums like this.
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perhaps because there is no structure there? see my earlier post, where i mention that the new york city map website can find it.

 

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Sorry to burst your bubble, fellas, but the address is REAL. Do a search in any mapping app and you'll see. SORRY!

It's NOT a real address, that's why it doesn't show up on Apple's mapping system. The address does not exist in the United States Postal Service site either. I think they would be a bit more accurate than google, bing or even apple. If my house number is 110, and my neighbor is 120... 115 does NOT exist. it's not real. Bing, Google and whatever other one you mentioned should be telling you that the address is non existent instead of sending you on a goose chase for something that's not there.

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The complaints about "losing" Google maps make no sense to me. It's an iPhone people, the Internet is literally in your hands. http://maps.google.com
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Busted! it was mentioned before at how sleazy it was to show the sat view on one but not the other, but this takes the cake. I doubt that Google would would have had to look very hard to find some actual error or shortcoming with Apple Maps so to use this is just extra weak.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, fellas, but the address is REAL. Do a search in any mapping app and you'll see. SORRY!

 

It's real because it shows up on Google maps?  And doing a search with a mapping app that uses Google Maps as the back end is your proof?

 

If you want to verify if the address is "REAL", check whether the USPS delivers mail there (spoiler: they don't):

 

https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupResultsAction!input.action?resultMode=0&companyName=&address1=315+E+15th+street&address2=&city=new+york&state=NY&urbanCode=&postalCode=&zip=

 

 

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You entered:

315 E 15TH STREET
NEW YORK NY

Here's the full address, using standard abbreviations and formatting...

 

The address you provided is not recognized by the US Postal Service as an address we serve. Mail sent to this address may be returned.

 

(ODD Range 301 - 323) W 15TH ST
NEW YORK NY 10011-5971

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, jayastroturfer.  LOL!

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Any difference in city, without one entered, is probably related to your current location (or at least your last known one, or previous searches, or area displayed in maps). So, it's entirely possible that entering an address without a city can give different results.

Yes, but I'm located in the same city as the person who claims that it showed up wrong.

 

I didn't have a problem finding any of these addresses. The suggestions that showed up provided the correct city. Of course, if I was deliberately trying to get lost, I could have always clicked on a wrong suggestion, if that was my intention.

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Do you think the reason that they didn't use an actual address is the same reason they use fake addresses 555 numbers in TV/Movies/Advertising?

 

No.

 

I think they spent months pouring over the iOS beta releases, having signed up for the developer program under false pretenses, to find any "discrepancies" they could. That's pretty obvious from the fact that on the day of its release, they were ready with as many "discrepancies" as they could find, and this ad is the result of one of those "discrepancies". And by 'they', I mean Google. And by 'discrepancies' I mean misrepresentations when that's all they could come up with.

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Yes, but I'm located in the same city as the person who claims that it showed up wrong.

 

I didn't have a problem finding any of these addresses. The suggestions that showed up provided the correct city. Of course, if I was deliberately trying to get lost, I could have always clicked on a wrong suggestion, if that was my intention.

 

See the other possible reasons I gave for different results.

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while i'm not championing the ad, and i do believe it is sleazy and misleading, perhaps they used that address because the address really is "an address" in the sense that if anything is ever built there there will already be an address assigned. it happens with vacant lots all the time, even if there is no structure.
even the new york city map website says it's an address. as opposed to an address that genuinely doesn't exist (take 681 E 38th St for example, which would be smack dab in the middle of the east river.)
edit: forgot to add that it is not lost on me that the nyc map site might rely on google maps, but on its face that does not appear to be the case.

It's a park, not a vacant lot.
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Losing Google's YouTube App on iOS:
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Losing Google Maps on iOS:
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When the first iPhone came out, google maps was a primary feature and since then it always has been for millions of us. Now... Suddenly this smartphone is not so smart after all is it?

All we as customers want is some official statement regarding the situation so we can make calculated decisions in our own lives. The majority of users don't care about your beef with Google... We just want to know what's going to be done about this fiasco of epic proportions.

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I agree. Try "coney island, brooklyn" with or without the comma. Gives you a bizarre location in Brooklyn, miles from Coney Island.

I don't know why Google/Motorola was stupid enough to use a fake address. There are plenty of real ones that don't work.


 

The reason why it went to Marlborough Rd is because it would be the equivalent to E 15 St in Brooklyn and probably was at one time.
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Do you think the reason that they didn't use an actual address is the same reason they use fake addresses 555 numbers in TV/Movies/Advertising?  Surely one of you caught that.  There are so many bugs with Maps that Apple is lucky they made this ad so tame.

No. I think they used it because it was the only one they could find.
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if you post a screen shot in the next twenty seconds i'll believe you. otherwise your two posts smells of troll.

What? Too lazy to input the addresses yourself? Whether you agree or not, I got the same results as your "troll."
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Google's Motorola Mobility subsidiary went looking for an address that didn't actually exist in an effort to artificially portray Apple's new iOS 6 Maps as deficient.
In a marketing ploy not unlike Nokia's faked camera shots to promote features of its new Windows Phone 8 models, an ad promoting Motorola's Droid RAZR M is portrayed being able to locate an address that iOS 6 Maps directs to a wrong road name in what appears to be the wrong city.
"Looking for 315 E 15th in Manhattan?" Motorola Mobility posed on its Google+ site. "Google Maps on DROID RAZR M will get you there & not #iLost in Brooklyn."

And here's the REALLY funny part. I just typed "315 E 15th in Manhattan" (which is exactly the way they describe it in the ad) into my iPhone 4S with iOS 6 and it gave me the location of the NYC park at the corner of 2nd Ave and 15th St. So the address that Google was complaining about gives the same location that Google gives.

So now, when people enter that address into their iPhone to see what's going on, they can immediately see that Google is lying.
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Fake addresses or noi, I'll have much more faith in Nokia's Navteq (which finds this "fake" address) over anything apple is pushing.
Its surprising to see all these other mapping companies have it wrong.

Why would you have faith in something that will take you to the wrong place. If you were IN Manhattan AND searching for 315 E 15th street , the close place you could want to be going is in Brooklyn. Why would you trust the system that will take you to the middle of Manhattan?
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you can't be serious?  You think that all of the media/blog/personal coverage has been a sinister ploy spearheaded by Google to disparage Maps?  Take off yr fanboy blinders, little man

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Fake addresses or noi, I'll have much more faith in Nokia's Navteq (which finds this "fake" address) over anything apple is pushing.

 

If the USPS doesn't list it as an address, it's not an address.  No matter what some Scandinavian company thinks.

 

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Its surprising to see all these other mapping companies have it wrong.

 

My guess is they're either using the same wrong database or they are using a shared algorithm that calculates addresses, even where they don't exist.

 

IMO it's better to know that an address is wrong.

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Bing Maps can find it.



Nokia Maps can find it.



We all know Google Maps can find it.

And somehow this doesn't expose a deficiency with Apple's Maps at all? Why can't Apple's mapping solution find it if its competitors can?

All three of those will be taking you to someplace you could not possibly be wanting to go...
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