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A new featured link on the iOS App Store invites users to "Find maps for your iPhone," and lists a number of paid and free alternatives to Apple's own Maps application in iOS 6.

Find Maps


The new link appeared on the App Store on Friday, after Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook himself highlighted competing options in an apology to customers. Since the launch of iOS 6 with Apple's all-new mapping solution, users have complained that the software is substandard.

"While we're improving Maps, you can try alternatives by downloading map apps from the App Store like Bing, MapQuest, and Waze, or use Google or Nokia maps by going to their websites and creating an icon on your home screen to their web app," Cook wrote.

In addition to the public apology, the new "Find maps for your iPhone" is the first featured link on the iOS App Store curated by Apple. It offers a list of 13 alternative mapping applications available for download. They are:

Find Maps

Most notably absent from the list is Google Maps, because a dedicated application from the search company is not yet available on the App Store. Google is said to be working on a standalone application, but in the meantime users can still visit the Google Maps website, as Cook suggested, to access the service. The popular Street View functionality is not available, but is expected to launch within the next two weeks.
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Such frigging crap.

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The popular Street View functionality is not available, but is expected to launch within the next two weeks.

So if Google is going to be able to launch a version of Street View in the mobile web version that does not rely on Flash, perhaps they will also incorporate that version into their regular desktop browser map application. That will be quite the accomplishment if they only use HTML 5. With the old iOS app they had Objective C as a programming resource to provide multimedia support for the Street View app, but minus that it will be interesting to see how they overcome the interactivity issues of using straight HTML.

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Such frigging crap.

Huh? It's crap that Apple is highlighting good alternatives to customers not satisfied with the built in option, or crap that Apple downgraded the quality of the built in maps app and has openly admitted as such? I'm confused.

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Originally Posted by mstone View Post
So if Google is going to be able to launch a version of Street View in the mobile web version that does not rely on Flash, perhaps they will also incorporate that version into their regular desktop browser map application. That will be quite the accomplishment if they only use HTML 5.

 

Still think they should bring back QuickTime VR for that. lol.gif

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So if Google is going to be able to launch a version of Street View in the mobile web version that does not rely on Flash, perhaps they will also incorporate that version into their regular desktop browser map application. That will be quite the accomplishment if they only use HTML 5. With the old iOS app they had Objective C as a programming resource to provide multimedia support for the Street View app, but minus that it will be interesting to see how they overcome the interactivity issues of using straight HTML.

If I'm not mistaken, don't they forego Flash in the OpenGL version of their maps? Granted, you must use Chrome and enable OpenGL Maps first, but I'm pretty sure everything is HTML5 at that point.

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Why don't they just put Google Maps back? Or is that too obvious of a question?
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An admission of problems but not the end of the world. Google Maps was pretty ropey in its early implementation too. Just a shame Apple bragged about it rather than quietly developing it. Then again, Safari was pretty buggy in its first couple of versions and now it is pretty robust and quick - a serious browser. Maps will get better but it is, agreed, a disappointment in its current form esp in the UK.
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Why don't they just put Google Maps back? Or is that too obvious of a question?

Google maps never was an App store app and it was apparently a contractual partnership between Apple and Google which more than likely does not currently have any provision for selling or distributing Google maps from the App Store among other significant licensing agreements regarding the data, which are not supported in the App Store model.

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Why don't they just put Google Maps back? Or is that too obvious of a question?

 

It's too pointless a question.


Originally Posted by Petemac View Post
Just a shame Apple bragged about it rather than quietly developing it.
 

Google never advertised their Maps in 2005. That never happened. No one could complain about Google back then because they said outright that their stuff was trash, but they also were never incorrect and did not miss a single road in a single town and had perfect satellite imagery for the entire world.

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If they still have a year left with Google on the clock why not offer customers the choice of source from within the map app until that licence runs out. Problems immediately solved!

It certainly would not be any more embarrassing than the fiasco so far!
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If they still have a year left with Google on the clock why not offer customers the choice of source from within the map app until that licence runs out. Problems immediately solved!

 

maps.google.com.

 

Problem already solved, and without any pathetic backtracking.

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If they still have a year left with Google on the clock why not offer customers the choice of source from within the map app until that licence runs out. Problems immediately solved!
It certainly would not be any more embarrassing than the fiasco so far!

It makes sense to me to do so a year in advance. Certainly Google knew Apple as planning it's own mapping, but not this soon. By moving the timeline up to where Google didn't expect it they avoided being compared directly to Google Maps as a TBT standalone product on iOS devices as soon as Apple Maps were released. Google didn't have the time to finish one that would pass muster with Apple users or Apple themselves. That's a huge benefit for a new product.

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If they still have a year left with Google on the clock why not offer customers the choice of source from within the map app until that licence runs out. Problems immediately solved!
It certainly would not be any more embarrassing than the fiasco so far!

Nonsense.

First, let's say they did what you suggest. A year from now, they drop Google Maps. All the haters would be screaming twice as loud.

Second, it adds to confusion.

Third, it means fewer people using Apple Maps which means that it's going to improve more slowly.

Fourth, it weakens Apple's branding.

Fifth (possibly), it means that Apple has to continue to pay Google for a service that doesn't meet their needs.

I really suspect that Apple's management team knows how to run a company a lot better than you do.
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If they still have a year left with Google on the clock why not offer customers the choice of source from within the map app until that licence runs out. Problems immediately solved!
It certainly would not be any more embarrassing than the fiasco so far!

 

Actually, it would.

 

By promoting alternative apps for the complainers to use, Apple can still continue to develop and improve upon their maps.  Myself, I'll be using Apple maps, as will millions of others users.  Yes, millions.  I suspect the number of complainers out of 100,000,000 downloads is probably just a few %.  This is my opinion, i have no data to support.

 

Apple will not go back, nor should they.  Quite frankly, I'm a little disappointed that Tim has apologized and now promoted alternatives.  Either would have been fine, not both.  I hate to use the cliche' but Steve really wouldn't have done it this way.  

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It's too pointless a question.

Really? Why?

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Actually, it would.

 

By promoting alternative apps for the complainers to use, Apple can still continue to develop and improve upon their maps.  Myself, I'll be using Apple maps, as will millions of others users.  Yes, millions.  I suspect the number of complainers out of 100,000,000 downloads is probably just a few %.  This is my opinion, i have no data to support.

 

Apple will not go back, nor should they.  Quite frankly, I'm a little disappointed that Tim has apologized and now promoted alternatives.  Either would have been fine, not both.  I hate to use the cliche' but Steve really wouldn't have done it this way.  

 

I assume you are in the USA? The problem is far more pronounced outside of Apple's favourite market, in my office today 7 individual non technical people were complaining about the maps problem. These people do not want to have to download a load of apps to replace what was reliable core functionality, they do not want to browse to a website and have their battery nuked. From my own searches it feels like 90-95% of all shops/restaurant/etc are missing. With Maps it's all about the data, saying oh it will improve in time calm down is simply not good enough.

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Originally Posted by saarek View Post
The problem is far more pronounced outside of Apple's favorite market…

 

Huh. Sounds like Google at launch.

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If they still have a year left with Google on the clock why not offer customers the choice of source from within the map app until that licence runs out. Problems immediately solved!
It certainly would not be any more embarrassing than the fiasco so far!


What's embarrassing is that people continue to complain.  Cook a has acknowledged there is a problem, he has stated they are working on it.  Continuing to bitch and moan is not helping the matter.  All that needs to be done now is report the problems and SHUT UP!

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"T-Cookie" should have included StreetView and Live Street View among the 3rd party apps in the Store available for download and use alongside iOS 6. The former is excellent, the latter passable.
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Google maps never was an App store app and it was apparently a contractual partnership between Apple and Google which more than likely does not currently have any provision for selling or distributing Google maps from the App Store among other significant licensing agreements regarding the data, which are not supported in the App Store model.

So if you leave your iPhone 4S or whatever in iOS 5 will it one day suddenly just die?
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Really? Why?

Touché !
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So if Google is going to be able to launch a version of Street View in the mobile web version that does not rely on Flash, perhaps they will also incorporate that version into their regular desktop browser map application. That will be quite the accomplishment if they only use HTML 5. With the old iOS app they had Objective C as a programming resource to provide multimedia support for the Street View app, but minus that it will be interesting to see how they overcome the interactivity issues of using straight HTML.

 

"T-Cookie" should have included Street Viewer and Live Street View in the list of 3rd party apps in the Store available for download and use alongside iOS 6. The former is quite excellent and a pleasant surprise, the latter passable.
 
The vast wealth of the eco-system and App Store more than compensates for this spate of early teething problems with the software.
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Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post
Touché !

 

… How? 

 

It would be a 180. A complete reversal of position, and a public statement that however much money was spent on Maps was wasted. There's no point to doing it when maps.google.com is available and when Maps is only ever going to be better.

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BS cop-out by Apple. 

 

To denigrate your own software like this (no matter what its condition.)

 

Should have kept their mouths shut and started working on making it better ASAP. The issue would have blown over almost completely in about a month (that's the power of Apple mindshare.) There was *already* news that Google/Moto faked their little smear campaign.


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Why don't they just put Google Maps back? Or is that too obvious of a question?


To steal a quote from the Joker "You've changed things... forever. There's no going back..".

 

I hope they don't go back to Google maps. I like the new one, and there are temporary alternatives INCLUDING the Google Maps web-app. Staying with Google means we'll always be behind in features and technology. And to those suggesting keeping both, or rolling back until the new maps is ready, I disagree. They would have had to release it Mid OS cycle, or wait a year and fall further behind. They must feel they can get the maps up to par within a couple of months.

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We want Google Maps back, screw the lousy substitutes Tim Cook you are a fool. Jobs is spinning in his grave for giving you the reins.
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Kinda like when the Macy's Santa Claus told a shopper to go to Gimbel's.
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Honest question to all those complaining/criticizing Apple and the new mapping software. I you STILL have maps.google.com, which is pretty full featured, and you can add it to your home screen (and move Apples app to a back page somewhere), there is also maps.bing.com AND you have many other options in the app-store, many of them free... Why are you still complaining? you still HAVE google maps, you still CAN find all the same directions and routing info you had before, you still CAN access it from your home screen, the map of your town and its roads are still going to look the same through the web app. I don't get it.

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They forgot Streetviewer, which brings back Street View to iOS 6, by accessing the Google data.
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So if you leave your iPhone 4S or whatever in iOS 5 will it one day suddenly just die?

That is always a possibility however I seriously doubt it will be sudden.There will be ample warnings and perhaps even a grace period. But yes, I totally expect it will be EOLed.

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I LOVE IT !!!!

Screw Google !!!

100 million users, who ACTUALLY USE their smartphones,
INSTANTLY Vanished from Google's peering eyes!!!

OUCH!!

That's got to hurt, even if it only hurts a tinsy winsy bit,...still gotta Hurt !!!

GO APPLE !!

I LOVE THE NEW MAPS App !!!!!
Serves me very well.
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Faster than Googlemaps, audible turn by turn directions Google was never going to "give" to iOS. 

 

Right there it's superior.

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Interesting that the link to 3rd party nav apps in the store omits TomTom. And not just in the US store either, I noticed the same thing in the Australian app store too. Given they are one of the data sources for Apple's Maps app perhaps this indicates Apple are unhappy with the quality of the info they are getting from TomTom?
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Honest question to all those complaining/criticizing Apple and the new mapping software. I you STILL have maps.google.com, which is pretty full featured, and you can add it to your home screen (and move Apples app to a back page somewhere), there is also maps.bing.com AND you have many other options in the app-store, many of them free... Why are you still complaining? you still HAVE google maps, you still CAN find all the same directions and routing info you had before, you still CAN access it from your home screen, the map of your town and its roads are still going to look the same through the web app. I don't get it.

Because some people just have to complain about everything Apple does - even if it doesn't affect them.

Others are paid to do so.
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BS cop-out by Apple. 

To denigrate your own software like this (no matter what its condition.)

Should have kept their mouths shut and started working on making it better ASAP. The issue would have blown over almost completely in about a month (that's the power of Apple mindshare.) There was *already* news that Google/Moto faked their little smear campaign.

It sucks that Apple is throwing their supporters and defenders under the train like this.

Totally wrong move Tim. Not sure you were the right guy after all ... Not enough brass where it counts. This is a big boy's game. It's good vs. evil. It's not about your next job ...
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We want Google Maps back, screw the lousy substitutes Tim Cook you are a fool. Jobs is spinning in his grave for giving you the reins.

Huh? Every one of your sentences is ridiculous. That is pretty impressive.
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