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post #41 of 66
10/1/12 at 10:22am
More users = better data.

Roll on maps.apple.com
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post #42 of 66
10/1/12 at 10:24am
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This makes perfect sense. Can't people see the potential benefits and why Apple will surely do this one day? The maps will be connected to your iCloud account.
- syncs bookmarks
- syncs recent search histories
- syncs recent routes
ETC. I'm sure Apple can come up with even more useful syncing options. Just messing with flyover on a big screen would be amazing.

I like this thinking ahead. Your own information embedded in your map of the world. Noetic cartography.

Add stereo 3D flyover and we would have the vision of the gods. Religion would be obsolete, replaced by plantetary ecstasy.

I'd say it's five years out at the max. Keep on mapping, Apple.

Edit: "ecstasy" meaning "ouside one's usual self," or "transported."
Edited by Flaneur - 10/1/12 at 10:36am
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post #43 of 66
10/1/12 at 10:34am
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"Senseless discord"? HA!
Not only did NYT write about it but Tim Cook apologized for it and Apple retracted its very own advertising claims. Sorry- not even you can't right an Apple wrong.

I was speaking a little more generally, wasn't I. As in, no good intentioned act of progress can get past the endless carping from backward people who prefer the past to the future.

I have no doubt that iMaps has problems, but the reasons for cutting out Google far outweigh them. That is a future-oriented observation. The Dan Lyonses and the Joe Noceras refuse to confront those reasons.

You, on the other hand, are just obstructing for dollars, or for the perverse fun of it.
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post #44 of 66
10/1/12 at 10:38am
If Apple are not licensing this redirected traffic, I'd expect this to break pretty quickly.

Apple either run their own maps services, or not.
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post #45 of 66
10/1/12 at 10:46am
I would rather see them release a native Mac OS X app that can take advantage of the vector tiles and the GPU.
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post #46 of 66
10/1/12 at 10:53am
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If Apple are not licensing this redirected traffic, I'd expect this to break pretty quickly.
Apple either run their own maps services, or not.

 

So, you think Google will cut off its nose when they hear of this? (Although, I'm sure they already know all about it.) I very much doubt it.

 

They are simply using published URL formats for referencing locations via Google Maps. If Google were to "break it", they'd also be cutting off traffic sent to them from thousands, perhaps millions, of web sites that use Google Maps to provide visitors with location information. All Apple is doing is redirecting "browsers" to Google Maps if those aren't identified as running on iOS.

 

So, what you are suggesting is that if someone on an iPhone "shares" a location with a friend who has an Android phone (ignoring the fact that people choose their friends by the smartphone they use), Google would somehow want to block the Android user from bringing up the location in Google Maps. Sounds ridiculous when you think about it that way, right?


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post #47 of 66
10/1/12 at 11:05am
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"Senseless discord"? HA!
Not only did NYT write about it but Tim Cook apologized for it and Apple retracted its very own advertising claims. Sorry- not even you can't right an Apple wrong.

No matter how many times you spread FUD, it doesn't become true.

Cook did not apologize for releasing Maps. He did not apologize for Maps itself. He apologized for any inconvenience that might have been caused - which is PR-speak for "there's nothing wrong with our product, but we're sorry you're disappointed".
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post #48 of 66
10/1/12 at 11:06am
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Sorry but I don't see the train of thought here. You share to someone that is not using an iOS device and it sends you to a site that then translates and forwards you to some other service. How does that equal that Apple will ever make a web based service? Huge leaps of thought going there.

Contrary to some folks outlandish ideas, Apple is not trying to rule all things. They aren't trying to provide the best experience for everyone everywhere using anything. They are trying to provide the best experience to those that use their things. Period. If it happens to also be of benefit to someone that has no Apple hardware or software that's just icing. But the cake is their hardware and their software.

 

I agree that having an Apple maps web site just to handle map-sharing to non-Apple devices and computers makes little sense... at least at this time.

 

But it may be worthwhile to have such a web site to report errors, user source map and POI entries, etc.

 

In the future it may become a requirement that Apple maps has a web presence -- to support the concept on moving seemlessly among iPads, iPhones and Macs.

 

I expect that many 3rd-party developers will take advantage of Apple maps on the iPad and iPhone apps...  It makes sense that they use the same interface on their web sites.

 

For example, a travel agent uses Apple Maps on iPads to present a travel itinerary to a customer -- in the customer's living room.  Then this itinerary is sent to the customer, and his friends and relatives who may not have Macs...  They are directed to the travel agent's web site which uses the Apple Maps web site to present the itinerary.  It would be counter-productive to the travel agent (and Apple) to wedge Google maps and the incumbent (and potentially competitive) ads into the picture.  

 

One of the features of Apple maps that should be of great appeal to Travel Agents and their customers is if they can interactively 3D FlyOver locations on the itinerary... it's fun and informative... Now, providing that same experience, via [Apple maps on] the web to friends and relatives of the customer... allows then to have fun too, while following along, vicariously.   What travel agent do you think these friends and relatives will use when planning their next trip?

 

Come along with us on our European tour... From London to Paris, then cruise the Rhine...

 

 

 

Apple Maps 3D FlyOver will be the Loreli "Siren Song" to travel agents and their customers.

 

Or even the family planning their vacation:

 

 

 

Then, there are the overlay and layering capabilities of Apple maps... you see a little bit of this now, as the street names and streets displayed vary with the level of detail -- these are layers if detail overlaid on top of a basic map or satellite view.  But PlaceBase maps (the foundation of Apple maps) has much broader overlay capabilities -- anything from population density, annual rainfall, number registered voters by party, average household income, age of roads and bridges infrastructure, type of store within a shopping mall, business offices on floors of an office building... almost any, and any number of, demographic you want to present.

 

These are the areas where Apple maps will realize their real potential... and they need to be available wherever you are -- even if sitting at a friend's Windows PC.


Edited by Dick Applebaum - 10/1/12 at 11:37am
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post #49 of 66
10/1/12 at 11:08am
Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
Cook did not apologize for releasing Maps. He did not apologize for Maps itself. He apologized for any inconvenience that might have been caused…

 

I dunno, this:


At Apple, we strive to make world-class products that deliver the best experience possible to our customers. With the launch of our new Maps last week, we fell short on this commitment.

 

Sounds like it can be interpreted as such.

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post #50 of 66
10/1/12 at 11:21am
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It's for all those trillions of PC users who are insanely jealous of Apple products but are too cheap to actually buy them. Apple wants to give them a chance to experience great products, even if they're too poor to afford one.

Actually, getting iTunes for Windows was my first taste of the Apple way of doing things - and blew away the clunky PC solutions I'd tried, e.g., the spammy beyond measure RealPlayer, even tho' that had a better interface than Windows' own half-baked-in "solutions" - and that led to my first Apple product purchase in 2004.

My work means I'll be using both Mac and Windows likely for the rest of my life, but I believe that next year's Haswell MacBooks (Air or Pro) - which bode better than Ivy Bridge performance and truly outstanding battery life, as in hopefully a leap forward - will be the first where I'll have them both on the same machine via like VM Ware Fusion after Win 8 itself is "service-packed" and the emulators truly manage it well.

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"Pisa"

What?!?  And here for all these years I was sure it was "Pizza"........ 

An iPhone, a Leatherman and thou...  ...life is complete.

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post #51 of 66
10/1/12 at 11:22am
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Good. Apple maps are only going to get better. The more Apple can compete in Googles areas the better.

The only way to compete with Google is to become a full fledged search engine, which I hope Apple never does because that path leads to entanglement in the sleazy world of advertising. That is a pitfall that Apple really needs to be careful of. Maps and business locations is a slippery slope. You want to have a comprehensive business listing so you allow businesses to list themselves on the map, then you allow users to post reviews of said businesses and the next thing you know you are in the advertising business.

 

...or rating apps in the app store...

 

The secret is how it is administered... it has to be open, above-board and controlled to prevent spamming, etc.

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post #52 of 66
10/1/12 at 11:50am
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The only way to compete with Google is to become a full fledged search engine...

 

Not so many years ago, everyone said that the only way Apple could compete with Microsoft was to license Mac OS. They were clearly wrong. The way to "compete with" Google, if that's what you want to do, is to make traditional search, and thus Google, obsolete.

 

Oye, Oye, Oye!

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post #53 of 66
10/1/12 at 11:52am
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post
Oye, Oye, Oye!

 

Oggy Oggy Oggy?

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post #54 of 66
10/1/12 at 11:56am
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This makes perfect sense. Can't people see the potential benefits and why Apple will surely do this one day? The maps will be connected to your iCloud account.
- syncs bookmarks
- syncs recent search histories
- syncs recent routes
ETC. I'm sure Apple can come up with even more useful syncing options. Just messing with flyover on a big screen would be amazing.

I like this thinking ahead. Your own information embedded in your map of the world. Noetic cartography.

Add stereo 3D flyover and we would have the vision of the gods. Religion would be obsolete, replaced by plantetary ecstasy.

I'd say it's five years out at the max. Keep on mapping, Apple.

Edit: "ecstasy" meaning "ouside one's usual self," or "transported."

 

 

I'd be happy with "sweet release".

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post #55 of 66
10/1/12 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post
Oye, Oye, Oye!

 

Oggy Oggy Oggy?

 

Listen!  Listen up!  Listen to him!... IOW, pay attention, He speaks the truth!

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post #56 of 66
10/1/12 at 12:40pm

Uh oh...

 

I think Apple Maps will be sued for "prior art"

 

 

 

for

 

 

 

What's really odd is this video of Hoover Dam from C3 Technologies:

 

 

 

 

There is a disconnect with Apple Maps and the above...

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post #57 of 66
10/1/12 at 12:48pm
These rightful jabs at Maps will seem short-lived when they update iOS 6.x
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post #58 of 66
10/1/12 at 1:07pm
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These rightful jabs at Maps will seem short-lived when they update iOS 6.x

 

I hope so...

 

I was surprised and somewhat disappointed with the iOS 6 beta -- when it didn't show 3D of some cities like London, Oslo, etc...  These had been shown in C3 demos before Apple bought them -- so the 3D vector data already existed.  

 

Maybe the data wasn't owned by C3, or they didn't have the proper military clearance to use it???

 

Some other potential uses for Apple Maps (including 3D FlyOver) are:

  1. video games
  2. military war games and simulations
  3. recreation of famous historic battles -- remove recent buildings, etc.
  4. artistic and video effects

Edited by Dick Applebaum - 10/1/12 at 1:12pm
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post #59 of 66
10/1/12 at 1:11pm
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I dunno, this:

Sounds like it can be interpreted as such.

Only if "our product is not the best user experience that could possibly exist" means the same thing as "we screwed up and our product stinks".

Clearly, those are not the same.
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post #60 of 66
10/1/12 at 1:18pm
Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
Only if "our product is not the best user experience that could possibly exist" means the same thing as "we screwed up and our product stinks".
Clearly, those are not the same.

 

I don't have to tell you how far a troll can twist a word, eh? lol.gif

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post #61 of 66
10/1/12 at 1:22pm
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In some ways you're right but I think a great many people won't spend a lot for a computer when all they're going to use it for is email, Facebook, twitter, and browsing the net.

 

Thus the rise of the tablet, and yet another good reason for the "iPad mini."  

 

A cheap device that gramps can use to check his email and Facebook. 

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post #62 of 66
10/1/12 at 1:37pm
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Right- I'm sure PC users are clamoring for Apple Maps.
Nice of Apple to offer it though.

Well I'm a PC user and I don't mind having another maps provider. Apple will have to improve their maps before they became viable choice here in NZ, but once done, I have no problem giving them a go - I'm already using multiple maps. Maybe I'll like flyover feature. Maybe there will be something else competition didn't cover equally good. End of the day, even if I personally don't end up using them, additional competition will make them all try harder to improve and keep current. One way or another, I'm likely to have benefit of having iMaps on my PCs.
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post #63 of 66
10/1/12 at 1:47pm
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It's for all those trillions of PC users who are insanely jealous of Apple products but are too cheap to actually buy them. Apple wants to give them a chance to experience great products, even if they're too poor to afford one.

Just because iSheldon is trolling (or at least perceived to) shouldn't be excuse for everyone else... a bit disappointing, really.
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post #64 of 66
10/1/12 at 7:44pm
Apple can have there maps on or even a website only accessible to apple devices, if it is accessible by a windows it drops value. It can be online and accessible by a apple only software(for apple products only). Though probably the biggest move would be a osx pre installed app(they could sell it on the Mac App Store cheaper.
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10/1/12 at 7:49pm
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Apple can have there maps on or even a website only accessible to apple devices, if it is accessible by a windows it drops value. It can be online and accessible by a apple only software(for apple products only). Though probably the biggest move would be a osx pre installed app(they could sell it on the Mac App Store cheaper.

That wouldn't be a good move. Imagine how well the iPod would have done without Apple building iTunes for Windows.

Now consider that for all the Windows PCs — which most people still use at work even if they have a Mac at home — they would then be redirected to Google Maps if they are sent a map link from Apple Maps. The only way to be the de facto mapping software is to get as many people using it as possible.

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10/1/12 at 8:16pm
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Apple can have there maps on or even a website only accessible to apple devices, if it is accessible by a windows it drops value. It can be online and accessible by a apple only software(for apple products only). Though probably the biggest move would be a osx pre installed app(they could sell it on the Mac App Store cheaper.

That wouldn't be a good move. Imagine how well the iPod would have done without Apple building iTunes for Windows.

Now consider that for all the Windows PCs — which most people still use at work even if they have a Mac at home — they would then be redirected to Google Maps if they are sent a map link from Apple Maps. The only way to be the de facto mapping software is to get as many people using it as possible.

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