Apple rumored to send out 'iPad mini' event invitations on Oct. 10 - Page 3

 

Ah, you own a Galaxy Note. Gotcha.

 

And admins! 

The sandpaper joke would be funny, but I don't see a 7.85" iPad as being contradictory to SJ's denigration of the 7" Android tablets he was talking about.

 

A 7" 16:9 screen is 3.43" wide, a 7.85" 4:3 screen is 4.71" wide—a difference of over 1 1/4 inches. That puts them in completely different categories, if you ask me. (Over 37% wider, in fact.)

iPad 3.5: The smallest thing to happen to iPad since iPad.

I think the fact that the iPhone is now 1136 x 640 is important. Apps designed for the iPhone 5 don't map to the iPad 2 nor do they pixel-double to the new iPad's 2048 x 1536.

They would however map to 1136 x 768 and pixel double to 2272 x 1536, both of which are almost 3:2 aspect.

Current ipad = 4:3/1.33, A4 paper = 1.41, the above is 1.48, old iPhone = 3:2/1.5.

 

Cut an iPad in half and it's the same thing.

And someone who worked with Steve said that he wasn't opposed to a 7".

What you're referring to was marketing-speak from the time Apple had only a 10" tablet while a lot of competitors had 7" tablets. What was Jobs supposed to do-praise the 7" tablets?

As you've been told before (many, many, many times), that's irrelevant. The fact that 7" tablets with crappy operating systems don't get much use isn't evidence that a 7" iPad wouldn't get much use. Maybe it's the OS that determines usability, not size.

At least one this way, please. 

 

Nice switch back to "nice guy" mode. :-)  

Keep dodging, you might even convince yourself you're not a colossal bully/troll.  

 

The bolded part is a lie as I can think of at least two separate occasions where I gave you several reasons.  

What you should probably say is "I fail to remember or care about the many times people have told me about use cases for the iPad mini." or "Lot's of people have told me about lots of different use-cases for the iPad mini, but I think they are wrong (even though I don't ever say why)."  

 

In any case it's kind of boring to argue with someone who leaves logic and truth behind when its convenient for them.  And it's annoying to argue with trolls who make posts just to sound important or to browbeat others etc. You fall into both categories AFAICS. 

 

There are lots of use cases for an iPad mini, and lots of good market related reasons to make one.  I've told you a few, I've seen others tell you some as well.  Your reaction is to simply steadfastly deny that this happened, and assert yet again that "no one has even come up with a good reason."  So ... WTF?  What's the point of even arguing with you on that?  

 

You're not actually open to a debate about it are you?  You just want to shout about what you think so everyone will pay attention to you some more. 

 

I'm also fairly certain that you won't win this argument anyway because everyone else is essentially just saying that there *might* be an iPad mini in the works and you are the only one going out on a limb and maintaining this will "never happen."  

 

Finally, head's up that I'm not going to bother replying on this thread to you anymore so feel free to insert some closing snarky remark that belittles me or makes me seem weak or whatever as you are wont to do.  I know you'd relish it more if I was some blank-eyed newcomer that you could really just let rip on and belittle and humiliate to the point where they don't even come here to post anymore, but it should be sufficiently satisfying to ridicule an old timer like me as well, no?  

 

I don't really see how it's irrelevant in your given regard when we don't have an iOS device in that size against which to judge. You can't say "these suck, also they don't work. iOS doesn't suck, therefore it WILL work". That doesn't, er, work. Logically.

 

If the size had inherent worth in these use cases, some people would be moving to it, despite the lack of iOS. People moved to larger phones, somewhat, despite the iPhone remaining the best experience, albeit smaller. The iPad is seeing the opposite.

 

And speaking of lies… 

 

 

So why aren't ANY of the devices already in that category, the categories that are, apparently, impossible for an iPad to fit into, selling as well as an iPad, which is then used for those purposes? 

 

 

Oh, I'd do this, then.

 

 

It's hard to have sympathy with your "Tallest Skil always lies" campaign when you're lying about a mess of stuff yourself, you know? 

 

 

That's generally a good sign that the argument the person has is solid, yeah? Just giving up and leaving? Glad you said your piece, though, even if it was partially wrong.

Edited by Tallest Skil - 10/1/12 at 2:40pm

Man. if this thing does come out and turns out to sell well... you are going to get hammm-errrd!!

 

Not that it matters and not that you won't enjoy it. 

Oh I know, but as far as TS is concerned, the former is just hearsay and the latter holy gospel.

 

Yes...and also, it's a (Tallest's) mistake to perceive the future based on a current snapshot in time... this is one instance that Apple's commitment to the future may overcome their desire to stick with past (mostly irrelevant) philosophies.  People are buying 7" appliances and they want to buy more.  Whether or not the market is big enough or valid enough is probably only something that Apple's long R&D/Marketing arms knows for sure...not I.

 

Windows sells well. Must be good. Great reviews and such.

 

Yes, this isn't a total lie.

I hope there are new iMacs announced.

I need a new iMac for home. I just bought the rMBP but I really don't use a notebook/laptop that much. Mostly when I travel which is only a half dozen times a year or occasionally when I have to give a live presentation, but that is only a few times a year. I was thinking that instead of an iMac perhaps I should consider a new Cinema Display instead and use my rMBP docked as my home machine. But the Cinemas are getting a bit long in the tooth also so I am still undecided.

This is an extremely important point. People's preferences and expectations evolve as they get used to a new product category. The first iPad wouldn't have worked at all at 8" but after 2 + years of a 10" iPad, the 8" will seem cute and desireable as all get-out. Irresistable.

What has happened? People's brains have been opened up and rewired by the first iconic tablet. The new little one is now seen as the adorable mini version. Watch, it will sell like crazy for these totally irrational, emotional reasons.

Only the product prototypes in the hands of the designers and engineers can inform the decision to go ahead with a new form. We are working blind and numb here, with nothing to go by but our own personal predilections and imaginations. Thus the divide between the enthusiasts and the esteemed Global Moderator.

This is also an answer to iSheldon's nonserious trashtalk about why the iPhone wasn't 16:9 from the beginning, if that aspect is so great now. Aside from the technical reasons listed by mstone, the long iPhone would have been awkward in 2007. Now hands and eyes are ready for it. It's called preference evolution. (Actually, I'm making that up, but it's true anyway.)
Edited by Flaneur - 10/1/12 at 3:04pm

 

But why?

Because it would have been too small, just like SJ said. But now that the forest has been cleared, we can rest on our axes and let the kids chip away at the saplings with hatchets.

Remember 2 years ago how hard it was to sell people on the idea of a tablet at all? Now we're ready for specialty tablet-ettes. Tabletitos?

Edit: would probably be tabletitas, feminine, no?
Edited by Flaneur - 10/1/12 at 3:29pm

As far as the iPhone's size goes, how much does anybody want to bet that the same people who were bitching about it being too big and stretching out your pocket in 2007, are the same ones now who are predicting its demise because it's not the size of a tombstone?

MaxiPad

 

I just don't see it going anywhere but up. People aren't wanting a 15" iMac again.

 

Apple doesn't seem to be into the specialty market. They don't cut corners on usability for the sake of niches. MacBook Air is an ultraportable, but its keyboard is the same size as the MacBook Pro's, for example. There's no smaller, dumber, less useful iPhone, there's just last year's full model.

Dude that is deep. Let me go find some alcohol, get high and then read it again. 

I see your reasoning, even agree with it, but I'm thinking there's a wild card in the deck, and it's a non-rational Joker.

Eddy Cue said he liked the size and tried to get SJ to come around. Let's say they did a working mock-up and gave it out to some in-house kids and studied the heck out of how friendly it was for little fingers and hands. Maybe mothers started kwelling over it as well. And so on. Stuff we don't know, but stuff they think hard about.

Like Tim said two coference calls ago, "We're going to innovate like crazy in this [tablet] space." Maybe they have a larger one in the works, as well as the 3D one everybody's going to bitch endlessly about when it gets rumored. I really am eager to see what they come up with, and whether it will fly. Dan Lyons, who will by then be writing for DigiTimes, will say Apple has lost it for sure this time, and then they'll sell five million before Christmas.

I hope there is a refreshed iPad released.  With the A6 and lightning connector. 

 

Unfortunately, I think that the (desired) modes of viewing are increasing in all directions/dimensions.  I hate to say it, but society is becoming accustomed (or wanting) to experience media and information in more places, methods and derivatives.  And because of this, people are more open to screens of various sizes depending on their situation.  Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if flip phones make a comeback.  Likewise, we'll probably see greater popularity of large projections as well (e.g. pico projectors?), producing high resolution images 40"-100".  People should spend more time with each other and out with nature but it appears that info access is still gaining in important...and I thought the worldwide web was just a fad (/s).

Not "any". It won't let me block you. I'm sure a lot of users of this forum are looking for that feature by now.

Word?

I believe Apple has and is filling the niches also; Computers, multiple sizes, Laptops, multiple sizes, Monitors, multiple sizes, etc. etc. and hopefully ipads soon to be multiple sizes!

Irrelevant

Why is now something that Jobs considered a bad idea a "good idea"? Samsng and ASUS make some, and Apple has to "innovatively" copy?

I don't care, though. I'm not going to buy either, iPad's the size for me ^^

Personally, I'm just annoyed at people who diss Android products  based on the form factor until Apple has an equivalent, and then the form factor is magically not the problem anymore, it becomes "the OS". Yeah, sure. High credibility. 

 

 

So for my part, I hate the form factor and I'll keep saying so. It won't prevent me from buying the "new new iPad", or whatever it gets called, which is the right form factor, for me.

Quite relevant, actually, if I judge by Ai standards.

 

Android sucks because "iPhone sold 5M units in the first week", "Android makers would dream to have their products sell 'quite smooth'", etc, etc, according to Ai commenters.

 

So in the same way, if Windows 8 is appreciated and people actually buy it, it is relevant to say so.

 

If this thing became real, Apple would really damage their own reputation as an "innovator".

You can use this. Works for me.

Yeah, that's why Apple would NEVER release a 3.5" computing device.

And Apple would never introduce a 10" tablet when everyone's used to 13-15" laptops.

And Apple would never drop the 17" MBP from its lineup - after all, everyone wants bigger devices.


You're looking in your rear view mirror......with your eyes closed.

 

Of course. 

 

So are any points you've made, then. ???

 

First point's invalid with the newest iPhone and invalid because it was the introduction of a new market, 

Second point's invalid because it was the introduction of a new market,

Third point makes sense.

 

Why wouldn't you just go with that one? Then we could talk about why that was the case; was it the price? The lack of power to justify the size?

 

The study of history can be quite amusing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Storm

 

Cheers

 

Isn't that the point?  A company is going to be happier having it make it to the mainstream than just the tech industry.