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Samsung on Monday officially added the iPhone 5 to a lawsuit scheduled to be heard in 2014, making good on a promise to level claims against the handset for allegedly infringing upon certain wireless technology patents held by the Korean company.

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The complaint was added to Apple's Galaxy Nexus case in which the Korean company has countered by asserting a number of wireless technology patents against legacy iPhones.

In September, Samsung indicated that it planned to add the newest iPhone to the patent suit, and said the changes would come "as soon as it has had a reasonable opportunity to analyze the device."

"We have little choice but to take the steps necessary to protect our innovations and intellectual property rights," Samsung said in a statement obtained by Reuters.

The company noted in its filing that it "obtained an iPhone 5 on September 21" and proceeded to investigate whether the device violated any Samsung patents, finding that it did in fact infringe the two UMTS wireless patents and six "feature patents" already leveled against previous iPhones. Samsung informed Apple of its discoveries, noting that it would be filing the amended complaint on Oct. 1.

Apple recently inserted further claims of its own against other devices as well, adding Samsung's flagship Galaxy S III handset and Galaxy Note to the amended complaint at the end of August.

In June, Apple was successful in winning a preliminary injunction against the Galaxy Nexus, however Samsung was granted a stay of the sales ban by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and the smartphone remains on store shelves today.

Monday's filing comes on the heels of Judge Lucy Koh's decision to dissolve a preliminary injunction against the Galaxy Tab 10.1, a U.S. ban that has been in place since June, giving Samsung claim to a small victory in the San Jose federal court.

The Galaxy Nexus case is scheduled to be heard by the same court responsible for the landmark Apple v. Samsung patent trial, the jury of which awarded Apple over $1 billion in damages after finding Samsung in infringement of six patents. Currently, each party is asserting eight patent claims against the other in the upcoming suit slated to get underway in 2014.

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FRAND/SEP come to mind.
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Bring it on.

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I thought Apple's purchase of Nortel patents covers extensive 4G LTE technologies?
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If Samsung wants to waste their time with exercises in futility rather than compete in the marketplace, that's fine with me. A jury already slapped them down once when they tried to use FRAND 3G patents. They aren't going to have any more success using 4G patents.
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I thought Apple's purchase of Nortel patents covers extensive 4G LTE technologies?

... not all of them.


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And when the iPad Mini comes out they will add that to the bag of crap law suits.

 

My god man.  If I only had 10% of the legal fees I could retire for life.

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2014? Will the iPhone 5 even be sold then?

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The company noted in its filing that it "obtained an iPhone 5 on September 21" and proceeded to investigate whether the device violated any Samsung patents, finding that it did in fact infringe the two UMTS wireless patents and six "feature patents" already leveled against previous iPhones. Samsung informed Apple of its discoveries, noting that it would be filing the amended complaint on Oct. 1.

 

...whereupon Cook and Co crumpled up the complaint and took a satisfying whiz on it.

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I thought Apple's purchase of Nortel patents covers extensive 4G LTE technologies?

 

Samscum just wants to look like an injured party too. Like a little child retorting, "Well, he hit me too!"

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... not all of them.
Now Let The Games Begin (again)!

 

No, because Apple plays by the rules. Samsung/HTC/Motorola don't. Apple could start suing over the 400+ LTE patents they own (38 of which, BTW, were Apple's own invention and not acquired through Nortel).

 

But Apple isn't a little bitch and they play fair and honor FRAND commitments. Unlike certain others....

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This is terrifying news for consumers of the best products. If Samsung gets its way iPhone will cease to exist sometime in 2014.

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This is terrifying news for consumers of the best products. If Samsung gets its way iPhone will cease to exist sometime in 2014.

 

Yes, just think.

 

Even Apple will be seeking an injunction against the iPhone 5 by releasing the iPhone 5S and 6.

 

Or maybe the iPhone 6 and 7?

 

Oh crap.

 

Look what I just started again...


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I want Zerox to come out of the woodworks and sue Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Android etc etc for all of them copying the "WIMPS" concept. Smack!
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Anything to buy time. Buying time pays big rewards in more consumer sales.
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to be held in 2014, so you'll have iPhone 7 to be released & a year of iPhone 6... the iPhone 5 will by then be offered for free or $€£99!

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FUÇK Samsfucker!!! Hope samsfucker lost this case and appeal over $1.9 billion!!

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If Samsung wants to waste their time with exercises in futility rather than compete in the marketplace, that's fine with me. A jury already slapped them down once when they tried to use FRAND 3G patents. They aren't going to have any more success using 4G patents.

"...and six "feature patents" (not FRAND) already leveled against previous iPhones. "

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Anything to buy time. Buying time pays big rewards in more consumer sales.

That's the real name of the game. The money involved in the patents is miniscule. Even the $1 B that Samsung was ordered to pay is peanuts compared to the billions of dollars they've earned by copying Apple's products - and the billions more due to their improved market position.
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"...and six "feature patents" (not FRAND) already leveled against previous iPhones. "

Let us know if/when Samsung wins one of those cases.

Meanwhile, Samsung owes Apple over $1 B - and Apple can much more easily add new cases against the new Samsung phones.
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This is terrifying news for consumers of the best products. If Samsung gets its way iPhone will cease to exist sometime in 2014.

More likely if Samsung gets its way then Apple will have the option to enter into licensing agreements for $$$ or cross license patents.

 

This wouldn't really be that big a deal, as the iPhone, with its superior industrial design, engineering, and app store, will still be a better experience than anything Samsung throws together. Assuming maps continues to evolve, of course.

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Let us know if/when Samsung wins one of those cases.

I won't have to. You'll know.lol.gif

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These patents are not FRAND. 

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I thought Apple's purchase of Nortel patents covers extensive 4G LTE technologies?

Not enough. Samsung has a whole lot more of significant patents. 

 

This is how you differentiate an engineering company from a design company who patents rounded rectangles. 

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lawyers, gettin' paid... worst case... the money that samsung owes Apple, will be paid back to Samsung...
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post
…who patents rounded rectangles. 

 

This needs to be an instantly bannable offense.

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I want Zerox to come out of the woodworks and sue Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Android etc etc for all of them copying the "WIMPS" concept. Smack!


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I thought Samsung was talking smack saying they would move to stop sales of the iPhone 5 immediately after it shipped.

 

I didn't know adding the iPhone 5 to a case that's coming up in 2014 was the same as "immediately".

 

Samsung, you coward, why haven't you filed new cases to stop iPhone 5 sales right now? Like you tried to do with the 4S last year in 5 countires and got denied every single time. Maybe you're still smarting from those failed attempts?

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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post

smarting…

 

That's a bit of a stretch for them.

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I won't have to. You'll know.lol.gif

Yeah, I'll know if Jessica Biel decides to move in with me, too. I don't think that's going to happen, either.
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FRAND/SEP come to mind.


I believe only two of them are SEP; all others are utility patents.

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Bring it on.

 

I still don't understand why Samsung is trying to fight this out in California in Apple's backyard.  As iJudge Koh demonstrated in the recent highly biased case, Samsung has zero chance of getting a fair trial.   Should learn from Apple and take it to the Eastern District of Texas or the Dusseldorf Court in Germany for patent infringement cases.

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I thought Apple's purchase of Nortel patents covers extensive 4G LTE technologies?

 

Apparently, there is no LTE patents infringement claim in this case (yet).  Samsung has twice as many LTE patents than Apple, though.

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If Samsung wants to waste their time with exercises in futility rather than compete in the marketplace, that's fine with me. A jury already slapped them down once when they tried to use FRAND 3G patents. They aren't going to have any more success using 4G patents.

 

Just learning from Apple - if you can't beat them in the marketplace, fight 'em in the court (or your home court preferably).

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2014? Will the iPhone 5 even be sold then?

 

No, but Samsung could collect quite a bit for all the infringed iPhone 5's sold in the US.  I'm guessing, by 2014, Apple will have sold something like 90 million iPhone 5s, so that's 90 million multiplied by the price of Samsung's patents.

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Originally Posted by tool talk View Post
No…

 

If Apple follows their current lineup, yes, it'll still be for sale.

 

…Samsung could collect quite a bit for all the infringed iPhone 5's sold in the US.

 

You're acting as though they could ever possibly win any sort of lawsuit about this… lol.gif

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And when the iPad Mini comes out they will add that to the bag of crap law suits.

My god man.  If I only had 10% of the legal fees I could retire for life.

Ten lives I'd think!
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Just learning from Apple - if you can't beat them in the marketplace, fight 'em in the court (or your home court preferably).

Well you got one part right at least, Scamsung certainly can't beat Apple in the market place, you are right there.
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Well you got one part right at least, Scamsung certainly can't beat Apple in the market place, you are right there.

 

Well, considering Samsung's 100+% growth yoy and its worldwide marketshare, it doesn't take a genius to figure that Samsung is winning in the market place.  It's just the US market where Samsung is struggling - that is, Samsung's growth isn't as astronomical as its worldwide sales .. 

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Really... what is with this name-calling fetish around here? Scumsung, Crapple, Fandroids, Appletards, Microsucks... sometimes it feels like majority here is not above 10... or, at least, seriously challenged...
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