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Google subsidiary Motorola Mobility withdrew its entire second International Trade Commission complaint against Apple a move that has been characterized as "one of the most surprising developments" in the dispute between the two companies.

The unexpected turn was detailed on Tuesday by intellectual property expert Florian Mueller of FOSS Patents. The complaint was first filed in mid-August, and the ITC announced a month later that it would investigate the complaint.

No reason for the withdrawal was given. A filing made by Motorola moved to "terminate all claims in this investigation without prejudice based on Motorola's withdrawal of the complaint, with Motorola and Apple each bearing their own costs and attorneys' fees."

Mueller said that the "simplest explanation" for the motion would be a global settlement deal reached between Motorola and Apple. However, a dismissal under those circumstances is usually done with prejudice, and the motion explicitly states that "there are no agreements between Motorola and Apple, written or oral, express or implied, concerning the subject matter of this investigation."

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"This could still be a unilateral goodwill gesture on Google's part toward Apple if high-level settlement talks are progressing well," Mueller said. "But it could also be a tactical decision involving a plan to reassert the same claims in a federal court."

In his opinion, it's most likely that Google determined the complaint was unlikely to succeed with the ITC. But he admitted the decision is a "mystery<" as withdrawals at an early stage of an investigation are "really unusual."
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Motorola doesn't surprise by withdrawing itself from anything worth while.

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Mueller is the fraud the guy hates google and gets paid by google competitors!

Hopefully this is a good sign or google taking the high road and not being a hypocrite by talking on both sides on their mouth.
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Maybe Motorola found a flaw in their case they couldn't defend and said "Oops!" and withdrew complaint...

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post #5 of 83
Perhaps Google used Apple Maps which read: "Dead end"
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post #6 of 83
I think Google wants to make peace with Apple.
Better economics that way, because Apple is moving away from all things Google.
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FRAND... if you don't know what it is look it up.
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not sure why anyone keeps track of this guy anymore - regardless of what he says - he just a blogger for hire.
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"Say hello to my little frand..."

Oh, he's gone!
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I think Google wants to make peace with Apple.
Better economics that way, because Apple is moving away from all things Google.

Perhaps there are negotiations behind the scenes. As Schmidt mentioned, they talk to Apple everyday.

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Motorola: *shakes fists* We're gonna sue the hide off of you Apple for theft of IP!!!!
Apple: Yeah, wutever.  Go right ahead.
Motorola: You just wait!!  We'll sic our lawyers at you!!
Apple: Is it time for lunch yet?
Motorola's Lawyers: *whispers to Google execs* Shh... but Apple didn't violate anything.
Motorola: Uhm... can we talk?

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Perhaps there are negotiations behind the scenes. As Schmidt mentioned, they talk to Apple everyday.


Unless Motorola or Google tells us, we will never know, so it is rather pointless to speculate about anything.

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Unless Motorola or Google tells us, we will never know, so it is rather pointless to speculate about anything.

 

 

What for a rumor site, then ?

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Apple has a trump card and most likely after further research the legal staff for Google, I mean Moto Mobility, gave their assessment to the board and they voted to pull the plug on this action.
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The hell?  Eric Schmidt found Jesus?

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  .... google taking the high road ....

Seeing these words in the same sentence makes me think it must be a cold day in hell.

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post #17 of 83
It's good know Google is so altruistic¡

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don't be evil ? (no, sorry, I leave ...)

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Originally Posted by allenbf View Post
The hell?  Eric Schmidt found Jesus?

 

No, Steve Jobs just appeared to him in a dream, four times. Young Steve, who made Schmidt feel all the pain and anguish that came from what Microsoft stole, regular Steve, who forced Schmidt to feel all the pain and anguish from what Google stole, and Future Steve, who appeared as Steve Jobs had the cancer been beaten and showed Schmidt his vision for Apple 20 years down the road.

 

Then regular Steve returned and showed him what the world would be like without Google: No Android whoring out stolen tech, no advertising stranglehold on privacy and personal information… It was, in every way, better. And then Steve showed him what the world would be like without Apple. Blinkenlights machines until 1980, no GUI until 1989, and that was a failed experiment that didn't become usable until '93, fast forward to October 2001 and the best PMP on the market was a portable CD player that carried three (count 'em!) CDs at once, and then to 2010 where Dell releases its new tablet computer, 7.85", 16:10 screen at 640x400, powered by Microsoft PenSight 2012, a version of Microsoft InSight (TTL's Windows analogue) that supports the use of a stylus (only) on a resistive screen. Uses Intel's lowest-power chip, the lowest-end, under-clocked 25w model, only needs one fan to cool, battery lasts two hours, and it only weighs four pounds.

 

Either that or someone just got some intelligence knocked into Google in a meeting and they withdrew everything. I prefer the former.

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No, Steve Jobs just appeared to him in a dream, four times. Young Steve, who made Schmidt feel all the pain and anguish that came from what Microsoft stole, regular Steve, who forced Schmidt to feel all the pain and anguish from what Google stole, and Future Steve, who appeared as Steve Jobs had the cancer been beaten and showed Schmidt his vision for Apple 20 years down the road.

Then regular Steve returned and showed him what the world would be like without Google: No Android whoring out stolen tech, no advertising stranglehold on privacy and personal information… It was, in every way, better. And then Steve showed him what the world would be like without Apple. Blinkenlights machines until 1980, no GUI until 1989, and that was a failed experiment that didn't become usable until '93, fast forward to October 2001 and the best PMP on the market was a portable CD player that carried three (count 'em!) CDs at once, and then to 2010 where Dell releases its new tablet computer, 7.85", 16:10 screen at 640x400, powered by Microsoft PenSight 2012, a version of Microsoft InSight (TTL's Windows analogue) that supports the use of a stylus (only) on a resistive screen. Uses Intel's lowest-power chip, the lowest-end, under-clocked 25w model, only needs one fan to cool, battery lasts two hours, and it only weighs four pounds.

Either that or someone just got some intelligence knocked into Google in a meeting and they withdrew everything. I prefer the former.

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I think Google wants to make peace with Apple.
Better economics that way, because Apple is moving away from all things Google.


wonder if this has anything to do with the recent Appeal ruling in Microsoft vs. Motorola.

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not sure why anyone keeps track of this guy anymore - regardless of what he says - he just a blogger for hire.

So you're saying Mueller is worse because he freely admits which companies are his clients? In Google's lawsuit with Oracle the judge recently order both parties to submit lists of blogger they had paid. Oracle complied with the order and Google didn't. So, clearly Google has been paying its own blogger and just doesn't want the truth to come out.

Besides when Mueller's posts arn't 5,000 words and I actually take the time to read them they are pretty well written with good supporting facts and documentation. All bloggers are biased. Why are you complaining about this one?
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No, Steve Jobs just appeared to him in a dream, four times. Young Steve, who made Schmidt feel all the pain and anguish that came from what Microsoft stole, regular Steve, who forced Schmidt to feel all the pain and anguish from what Google stole, and Future Steve, who appeared as Steve Jobs had the cancer been beaten and showed Schmidt his vision for Apple 20 years down the road.

 

Then regular Steve returned and showed him what the world would be like without Google: No Android whoring out stolen tech, no advertising stranglehold on privacy and personal information… It was, in every way, better. And then Steve showed him what the world would be like without Apple. Blinkenlights machines until 1980, no GUI until 1989, and that was a failed experiment that didn't become usable until '93, fast forward to October 2001 and the best PMP on the market was a portable CD player that carried three (count 'em!) CDs at once, and then to 2010 where Dell releases its new tablet computer, 7.85", 16:10 screen at 640x400, powered by Microsoft PenSight 2012, a version of Microsoft InSight (TTL's Windows analogue) that supports the use of a stylus (only) on a resistive screen. Uses Intel's lowest-power chip, the lowest-end, under-clocked 25w model, only needs one fan to cool, battery lasts two hours, and it only weighs four pounds.

 

Either that or someone just got some intelligence knocked into Google in a meeting and they withdrew everything. I prefer the former.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

No, Steve Jobs just appeared to him in a dream, four times. Young Steve, who made Schmidt feel all the pain and anguish that came from what Microsoft stole, regular Steve, who forced Schmidt to feel all the pain and anguish from what Google stole, and Future Steve, who appeared as Steve Jobs had the cancer been beaten and showed Schmidt his vision for Apple 20 years down the road.

 

Then regular Steve returned and showed him what the world would be like without Google: No Android whoring out stolen tech, no advertising stranglehold on privacy and personal information… It was, in every way, better. And then Steve showed him what the world would be like without Apple. Blinkenlights machines until 1980, no GUI until 1989, and that was a failed experiment that didn't become usable until '93, fast forward to October 2001 and the best PMP on the market was a portable CD player that carried three (count 'em!) CDs at once, and then to 2010 where Dell releases its new tablet computer, 7.85", 16:10 screen at 640x400, powered by Microsoft PenSight 2012, a version of Microsoft InSight (TTL's Windows analogue) that supports the use of a stylus (only) on a resistive screen. Uses Intel's lowest-power chip, the lowest-end, under-clocked 25w model, only needs one fan to cool, battery lasts two hours, and it only weighs four pounds.

 

Either that or someone just got some intelligence knocked into Google in a meeting and they withdrew everything. I prefer the former.

 

YOU SAW IT TOO!!!!!!.... I thought it was just me!!!!  You had to have seen it to know all the details!

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So you're saying Mueller is worse because he freely admits which companies are his clients? In Google's lawsuit with Oracle the judge recently order both parties to submit lists of blogger they had paid. Oracle complied with the order and Google didn't. So, clearly Google has been paying its own blogger and just doesn't want the truth to come out.
Besides when Mueller's posts arn't 5,000 words and I actually take the time to read them they are pretty well written with good supporting facts and documentation. All bloggers are biased. Why are you complaining about this one?

Google explicitly stated that they do not pay any bloggers to write articles in their favor. When they added that there may be individuals who receive money from Google via other channels (e.g. AdSense), the judge asked for more details in which Google complied. Even with the more detailed report, there was nothing along the same lines as Oracle paying Mueller to write 'propaganda' for them. You suggesting otherwise is completely disingenuous....

 

I do agree with other comments though...very sad that AI continues to quote this discredited blogger.

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Probably an agreement to make Google Maps at least as an option for another year.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker View Post

Mueller is the fraud the guy hates google and gets paid by google competitors!
Hopefully this is a good sign or google taking the high road and not being a hypocrite by talking on both sides on their mouth.

Baloney. The removal of Google Maps for iOS is a gut punch, hitting Google directly in the pocket book. You seem to forget how Google makes money and it ain't by giving stuff away free. Google needs its apps on iOS more than Apple needs Google Maps and smart people know it. I agree with others that this may be a peace offering. If it is it means Google blinked first. Gonna be interesting to watch.
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Google explicitly stated that they do not pay any bloggers to write articles in their favor.

When did they say that? Reference?
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Mueller is the fraud the guy hates google and gets paid by google competitors!
Hopefully this is a good sign or google taking the high road and not being a hypocrite by talking on both sides on their mouth.

 

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not sure why anyone keeps track of this guy anymore - regardless of what he says - he just a blogger for hire.

 

It is difficult to tell who are the shills on the internet. It is certainly possible for a person to be paid or sponsored to blog about certain subjects and still publish the facts. Expert witnesses (who are paid, BTW) in court cases are expected to do just this. I have found Mueller's blogs to be interesting, well written and substantiated. He has not failed a single crosscheck test that I have performed on his patent reporting to date.

 

If you have found otherwise, please let us (readers) know as, as of this date, his credibility with me is certainly higher than both of yours.

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Several possible reasons:

1. High level talks are going well between Apple and Google, or
2. Google wants to preserve its iOS revenue (greater than all Android revenue), or
3. They're learning when to fold 'em, or
4. All of the above.

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When did they say that? Reference?

 

Google stated:

 

"Neither Google nor its counsel has paid an author, journalist, commentator or blogger to report or comment on any issues in this case. And neither Google nor its counsel has been involved in any quid pro quo in exchange for coverage of or articles about the issues in this case.”

 

http://allthingsd.com/20120817/google-no-paid-bloggers-here-your-honor/

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-17/google-says-it-didn-t-pay-bloggers-to-write-about-oracle-suit

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Google stated:

"Neither Google nor its counsel has paid an author, journalist, commentator or blogger to report or comment on any issues in this case. And neither Google nor its counsel has been involved in any quid pro quo in exchange for coverage of or articles about the issues in this case.”

http://allthingsd.com/20120817/google-no-paid-bloggers-here-your-honor/
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-17/google-says-it-didn-t-pay-bloggers-to-write-about-oracle-suit

Well, considering how truthful they've been in the past, I totally believe them.

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It is difficult to tell who are the shills on the internet. It is certainly possible for a person to be paid or sponsored to blog about certain subjects and still publish the facts. Expert witnesses (who are paid, BTW) in court cases are expected to do just this. I have found Mueller's blogs to be interesting, well written and substantiated. He has not failed a single crosscheck test that I have performed on his patent reporting to date.

 

If you have found otherwise, please let us (readers) know as, as of this date, his credibility with me is certainly higher than both of yours.

 

I agree that Mueller never lies about the facts, but his bias is clear in what he decides to leave out of his articles and the inferences and suppositions that he draws.

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I am extremely surprised anyone here would spin this as a tail tuck or negative against Googorola.  :rolls eyes out of sockets:

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Well, considering how truthful they've been in the past, I totally believe them.
And Eric Schmidt is a real, stand-up guy...

 

When has Google not been truthful?

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Google stated:

"Neither Google nor its counsel has paid an author, journalist, commentator or blogger to report or comment on any issues in this case. And neither Google nor its counsel has been involved in any quid pro quo in exchange for coverage of or articles about the issues in this case.”

http://allthingsd.com/20120817/google-no-paid-bloggers-here-your-honor/
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-17/google-says-it-didn-t-pay-bloggers-to-write-about-oracle-suit

That says that they stated that they have not used bloggers in the Oracle suit.

What does that have to do with this case? And why did you make a blanket statement that they never pay bloggers when your evidence only covers one specific case?

Oh, and furthermore, you should read the first article carefully along with Google's response. Google admits that they pay a number of people to comment on their products, but deny having told anyone specifically to comment on this case. So even if Google could say "we have 10,000 paid shills who are supposed to say good things about us, and half of them commented on the case, but we never SPECIFICALLY told them to, so we are not disclosing them" it would meet the judge's requirement for disclosure.
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Originally Posted by e_veritas View Post
When has Google not been truthful?


There's a character limit to posts, so that's gonna be tough to elucidate… lol.gif

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When has Google not been truthful?

 

If you believe everything Google says, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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That says that they stated that they have not used bloggers in the Oracle suit.
What does that have to do with this case? And why did you make a blanket statement that they never pay bloggers when your evidence only covers one specific case?

 

I only stated it for the Oracle suit because that was the context of the post I was replying to. Please take the time to read the entire chain of discussion if you would like to join...

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