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Bob Mansfield stayed at Apple after CEO Tim Cook offered him 'exorbitant' $2M-per-month

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A new look at the corporate culture of Apple before and after the death of Steve Jobs reveals that Senior Vice President Bob Mansfield went back on his decision to retire after being offered a large sum of cash and stock by Chief Executive Tim Cook.

Details on the behind-the-scenes politics were published on Wednesday in a feature by Bloomberg Businessweek. It revealed that Cook "nearly witnessed an insurrection" after Mansfield's retirement and replacement were announced.

"According to three people familiar with the sequence of events, several senior engineers on Mansfield's team vociferously complained to Cook about reporting to his replacement, Dan Riccio, who they felt was unprepared for the magnitude of the role," authors Brad Stone, Adam Satariano and Peter Burrows wrote. "In response, Cook approached Mansfield and offered him an exorbitant package of cash and stock worth around $2 million a month to stay on at Apple as an adviser and help manage the hardware engineering team."

Publicly, Apple announced in June that Mansfield, the company's head of hardware engineering, would retire after a 13-year stint with the company. But in August, the company announced that Mansfield would instead stay with Apple to work on "future products," and would report directly to Cook.

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Wednesday's report characterizes the "public reversal" in retaining Mansfield as part of the new Apple being formed after the death of co-founder Steve Jobs. Employees who spoke with Bloomberg indicated that Apple has more office politics than before Jobs, and there is a lingering concern that the corporate culture could be diluted, but they also say that under Cook, employees are happier with fewer "frantic calls at midnight" or pressure on engineers to cancel vacations.

"No one would say Apple is better off without Steve Jobs," the report said. "But to a surprising degree, it's doing fine."
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Might also explain the travesty of iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro releases.

 

Just leave well enough alone, Cook. Let the people who've done so well for Apple pick their own replacements.

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Might also explain the travesty of iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro releases.

 

Just leave well enough alone, Cook. Let the people who've done so well for Apple pick their own replacements.

Not quite sure what you mean by "travesty",

but the style of management you describe is usually characterized, when it doesn't work, as "rudderless".

I think you'd have to say that the Apple culture is embedded in Mr. Cook, and vice versa, and I, for one,

am comfortable with him shaping his team as he sees fit.

This doesn't appear to have been a mistake, in any case.

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This is just tempest-in-a-teapot nonsense. $24M for a senior exec in $600B+ company is peanuts if that person is adding value in spades.

 

As to there being politics and confusion in an organization this size, especially after the death of an iconic, once-in-a-generation, visionary, founder-CEO... well, you could knock me over with a feather.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Might also explain the travesty of iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro releases.

 

Just leave well enough alone, Cook. Let the people who've done so well for Apple pick their own replacements.

 

Wait, what? How is anything you wore related to the info in the article? Is the guy that everyone wanted to stay on too nice to drive his subordinates hard enough to develop product updates that you like? or is Tim Cook's original choice for Bob's replacement somehow retroactively responsible for the past 13 years of hardware development? Or are you being sarcastic when you use the word "travesty" - I ask because while the all good products in my opinion, there are those who decry the lack of significant updates to the Mac Pro specifically. 

 

And I am not sure I have ever read anywhere that any group at Apple has ever been in a position to choose who their team leader will be or who they will report to. Not saying that isn't the case, but asking where in this article or Apple's history do you get the info to suggest that Cook, "Just leave well enough alone"? 

 

So unless you have info that the rest of us do not or are deliberately trying to be abstruse, sardonic or sarcastic, none of which would really surprise me based on your past posts, I just don't see what you are actually trying to convey with your post. 

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he's an exec. without a home.  Poor guy.  He's the only SVP without a suffix if you look at the  "Leadership" board.

http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/

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Originally Posted by boredumb View Post
Not quite sure what you mean by "travesty",

 

All three products could have received updates months ago. None did. Unless something significant is being done to all of them about which there are yet no rumors, what other reason than disarray due to this change could there be for Apple to have botched standard updates?

 

Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post
He's the only SVP without a suffix if you look at the  "Leadership" board.

 

Because, as the article mentions, he gave that up to another.

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"I'll make him an offer he cannot refuse"

I think the key issue here is whether or not Riccio can form a cohesive team. He was 10 years in the organization as a VP, and then promoted to Head of iPad development. I can see that as quite a political move, possibly made by Steve (or influenced by Steve).

Hardware is the core to Apple (no pun intended). The fact they can design HW that can be as powerful as it is, stuff it into Johny Ive's designs, and integrate it so well together is key for great SW and then a great UX is the basis. Cook knows this. A crappy HW design can't be saved by a beautiful skin, a great supply chain or wonderful OSes. He's got to keep HW pumping out great stuff.

If there is a crisis under Riccio in HW development, and Mansfield can help, then great. But the big issue is Riccio... if the team bolts, they've lost years of experience, at a critical time (they need to be building the TV, or the next Laptop or something that evolves into something that generates huge profits... and it needs to ship next year or the year after, if you look at the iMac, iPod, iPhone, IPad progression.
post #9 of 60
"Travesty" has become one of those internet words that people keep writing without knowing what they mean.
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All three products could have received updates months ago. None did. Unless something significant is being done to all of them about which there are yet no rumors, what other reason than disarray due to this change could there be for Apple to have botched standard updates?

 

and all three are not in the iPad line. which Riccio headed prior.

 

But to the that end, I'm seeing coincidence.  There's a lot of issues with Intel (and probably a lot of mental cycles spent on the rdMBP), and I'm sure someone has shown that investing a couple billion in Mac development may return 10B, whereas the same couple Billion in iPad/iPhone development would return $50B, which halos into the Mac business anyway. 

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Originally Posted by NeilM View Post
"Travesty" has become one of those internet words that people keep writing without knowing what they mean.

 

Apple has distorted what everyone considers a meaningful release cycle into what becomes an arduous wait for new computers for the entire latter half thereof. Should the next revisions of these products have little to no changes to them that previous, shorter cycle releases had to their predecessors, particularly since chips usable for meaningful updates have long since been released, it would be absurd. 

 

Happy? 

 

Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post
and all three are not in the iPad line. which Riccio headed prior.

 

I don't like him turning computers into a 'once a year, if that' prospect.


which halos into the Mac business anyway. 

 

So where ARE all these halo sales? Why have Mac sales been going down? Shouldn't they have 25% marketshare in the US by now?

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post #12 of 60

AI, could you make Bob's picture life sized? It seems a little small.

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post #13 of 60

hi bob, you didn't really want to retire

 

here's a few barrels of thousand dollar bills for you. come back next month for more

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Hmm...makes me wonder if Riccio is up to the job. I imagine it was more than one or two disgruntled employees for Cook to offer Mansfield a shitlod of money to stay on.
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"I'll make him an offer he cannot refuse"
I think the key issue here is whether or not Riccio can form a cohesive team. He was 10 years in the organization as a VP, and then promoted to Head of iPad development. I can see that as quite a political move, possibly made by Steve (or influenced by Steve).
Hardware is the core to Apple (no pun intended). The fact they can design HW that can be as powerful as it is, stuff it into Johny Ive's designs, and integrate it so well together is key for great SW and then a great UX is the basis. Cook knows this. A crappy HW design can't be saved by a beautiful skin, a great supply chain or wonderful OSes. He's got to keep HW pumping out great stuff.
If there is a crisis under Riccio in HW development, and Mansfield can help, then great. But the big issue is Riccio... if the team bolts, they've lost years of experience, at a critical time (they need to be building the TV, or the next Laptop or something that evolves into something that generates huge profits... and it needs to ship next year or the year after, if you look at the iMac, iPod, iPhone, IPad progression.
I've often wondered how the hardware and design teams get on as in most companies the designers would probably be reporting up through the hardware chief, not directly to the CEO.
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Sheesh...I probably would have considered hanging around for even $1.8 million a month...
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post
Because, as the article mentions, he gave that up to another.

Duh, I know that...the real question is why?  I suppose speculation is pointless since we probably will never know beyond what this article states.

I had discussed this very corporate situation a couple weeks ago with a friend.  Glad to know we weren't the only ones who noticed.

 

Something is shaking up there, and I don't think we've seen the end yet.

 

This is a little off topic, but related to Corporate structure talks....

What really needs to be shaken up is the whole "Internet Services" Group.  Eddy's just not cutting the Mustard if he has anything to do with Siri, Maps Data and other internet-based services.  We might have seen the beginnings of a something promising with the current updates to iTunes.  I read an article recently, that talks about how there's a very uneasy air with Apple and internet-based services.  And if they don't do something about it, they will be slave to Google, Bing, Yahoo, et. all for a long time.  Really disappointing that Jobs/et. all never seemed to pay much attention to it.

 

 

"Apple has a reputation for obsessive attention to detail in its hardware and software products, down to the beveled edges of the iPhone 5 and the shade of the icons on its screen. But it has stubbed its toe again and again when it comes to releasing reliable, well-designed Internet services. Its less proud moments include Ping, a social network for music that never took off; MobileMe, an error-plagued service for synchronizing data between devices; and, more recently, Siri, the voice-activated virtual assistant that is often hard of hearing.

The company’s weakness in this area could become a bigger problem over time as smartphones become more intimately tied to information and software on the Internet — a field where Google, which makes the competingAndroid phone software, has the home-turf advantage.

“I always felt if you had to name an Achilles’ heel at Apple, it’s Internet services,” said Andrew Borovsky, a former Apple product designer who worked on MobileMe and now runs his own design firm in New York. “It’s clearly an issue.”

An Apple spokeswoman, Natalie Kerris, declined to comment.

Some have sought to pin the blame for the maps debacle on a relaxing of standards under Mr. Cook, who was elevated from the No. 2 position at Apple just over a year ago. He took over shortly before the death of Steven P. Jobs, a notorious perfectionist known to shelve products that did not pass muster.

But numerous interviews with former Apple employees in the wake of the maps controversy made it clear that Mr. Jobs and other executives rarely paid as much attention to Internet services as they did to the devices for which Apple is best known. Nor did they show the kind of consistent foresight in this area that has served the company so well in designing hardware and software."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/technology/apple-apologizes-for-misstep-on-maps.html?pagewanted=all

Here's another good article about this:

http://gigaom.com/apple/ios-6-maps-debacle-exposes-apples-achillies-heel-services/


Edited by antkm1 - 10/3/12 at 8:47am
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John C. Reilly works at Apple?

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Apple is doing fine -- no more late night phone calls?

Given Apple's many failures with iOS 6 and perhaps iPhone 5, all of which can and should have been caught prior to public sale, I'd say Apple is definitely not doing fine.

It may be that Jobs was a pain the asymptote but perhaps this is what is required to come close to building truly great products.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

This is just tempest-in-a-teapot nonsense. $24M for a senior exec in $600B+ company is peanuts if that person is adding value in spades.

 


Is the $24 figure believable given how other senior managers might react?

 

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As to there being politics and confusion in an organization this size, especially after the death of an iconic, once-in-a-generation, visionary, founder-CEO... well, you could knock me over with a feather.

Agree. As if Jobs wasn't known for political maneuvers.

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John C. Reilly works at Apple?


Steve Ballmer moonlighting, actually.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Might also explain the travesty of iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro releases.

 

Just leave well enough alone, Cook. Let the people who've done so well for Apple pick their own replacements.

 

Nothing more rich that Tallest Skil condascendingly giving Tim Cook advice. Just amazing on so many levels. Mansfield is responsible for the A6 chip, which is clearly an insanely good product and an incredible feat of engineering. Same goes for other internal hardware on iOS devices, going back the past several years. Mansfield is worth definitely alot more than 2 million/month to Apple, and clearly he's shown himself to be uniquely skilled in his position. The 'stay with us cause we're changing the world' only works for so long. So really, what real issue do you have with additional compensation as motivation? Because you're butt-hurt by lack of iMac updates? Maybe, just MAYBE Tim Cook has more insight into this particular situation than you, which you have zero real information on yet feel inclined to attack Cook. Apparently the hardware team had an 'insurrection' about reporting to his replacement- and Cook wanted Mansfield to stay on as an advisor for as long as needed to make a smooth transition. Who are you to say it was a wrong move?


Edited by Slurpy - 10/3/12 at 8:54am
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"But to a surprising degree, it's doing fine."

What kind of BS line is this? Surprising? Really? Tim Cook managed the Supply Chain to almost perfection. Jobs will be missed but it isn't surprising that his hand picked exec would be fine for the job.
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Apple might be making a ton more money and be different than most companies to a certain extent. But it will never be the same without S. Jobs.
It will seem like its coasting along fine with the iPhones and iPads for a few more years (5 or 6). And people around the globe will marvel at the new Headquarters when its finished. But the new products that need to come out, to make Apple the innovator that it has proved to be will suffer.
There will be the butting of heads as far as where they want to direct their talents. How much change they will be willing to make in the different fields they want to 'attempt' to take over. It will not be a given. Things will tighten up as far as what they might think they can conquer again.
The iPhone makes a big chunk of money for them, it also shows off their superior foundation to make possible the continued improvement for upgrades.
But that can only survive with the carriers funding the profits needed for the company to remain as the most richest in the world. It will be interesting to see how long China Mobile (whenever they come on board) will pay for the subsidies. You know very well that Verizon and ATT are having secret meetings somewhere about what to do exactly about that. Exxon and several other companies will probably overtake them by then.
But, that is not the most important thing. Once the new attempt at a different field starts to show that it is not as easy to conquer. Like what has happened with the A TV,
and perhaps even what is happening with the Car integration system. You keep hearing about them, but nothing seems to appear in the horizon. Right now, if iTunes was not as appealing, or better yet as all consuming and as simple to use, more people would be trying out Android then are already doing.

Guess what I am I am trying to say. That without a personality like Steve Jobs. But also with the all powerful position that he had. The letting all others know that they would attack the market with an item like the iPod. You have to believe that when the Bob Manfields, the Scott Forstalds, and even the Jonny Ives, were perhaps to impressed with that idea (or perhaps some were). But you cannot fully appreciate how much that power to make that decision, and have the whole ship follow that direction, makes it possible for good things happen. But also the humongous possibility that a certain 'hail mary' decision might NOT be the right decision.
WHO WILL MAKE THAT CALL WHEN IT COMES UP?

(just wondering)
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Apple has distorted what everyone considers a meaningful release cycle into what becomes an arduous wait for new computers for the entire latter half thereof. Should the next revisions of these products have little to no changes to them that previous, shorter cycle releases had to their predecessors, particularly since chips usable for meaningful updates have long since been released, it would be absurd. 

 

I don't like him turning computers into a 'once a year, if that' prospect.

 

So where ARE all these halo sales? Why have Mac sales been going down? Shouldn't they have 25% marketshare in the US by now?

Tim Cook has been CEO for approximately one year. For you to assert with any validity that he is the cause of the "once a year, if that" prospect, you need at least a few years. Apple is not a PC vendor where they issue speed bumps and spec changes every month all for the sake of a couple percentage points of performance increase. They haven't done that in a long time. I don't know why you expect it now. They'll wait until there's a meaningful performance or architectural change.

 

Besides, given the whining from people who bought a Mac a month before a new model comes out, I can't blame them for constantly upgrading their products for the sake of a little speed bump.

 

And Apple's Mac sales have been increasing for the past few years. Mac sales have not been going down at all. I don't know where you got that figure.

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Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post

Apple is doing fine -- no more late night phone calls?
Given Apple's many failures with iOS 6 and perhaps iPhone 5, all of which can and should have been caught prior to public sale, I'd say Apple is definitely not doing fine.
It may be that Jobs was a pain the asymptote but perhaps this is what is required to come close to building truly great products.


Jobs released MobileMe in all its infamous glory. What "many" failures in iOS 6? the only complaints I see is with Maps. You gotta start somewhere. Apple should have said it's a work in progress.

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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

Duh, I know that...the real question is why?  I suppose speculation is pointless since we probably will never know beyond what this article states.

 

Exactly. I don't figure we'll ever know why he wanted to retire or why he came back unless he himself explains in an interview or book or whatever.

 

Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post
Mansfield is responsible for the A6 chip, which is clearly an insanely good product and an incredible feat of engineering.

 

Is he? It wasn't the PA Semi team?

 

So really, what real issue do you have with additional compensation as motivation?
 

None. I'm just curious why someone who wanted to retire would come back for more money as just a consultant, title-free.


Because you're butt-hurt by lack of iMac updates?

 

Grow up.

 

Cook isn't infallible.


Originally Posted by Gustav View Post
Tim Cook has been CEO for approximately one year. For you to assert with any validity that he is the cause of the "once a year, if that" prospect, you need at least a few years.

 

What does THAT have to do with Tim Cook? I said no such thing.

 

Apple is not a PC vendor where they issue speed bumps and spec changes every month all for the sake of a couple percentage points of performance increase. They haven't done that in a long time.

 

Yeah, June 2012. Long time. Never mind the dozens of times before that. You don't remember the early Core 2s, even, where the charts would show 15-20% improvement over the last model? That's not "just a speed bump", even when they DID do just clock speed bumps while staying in the same chipset? 

 

They'll wait until there's a meaningful performance or architectural change.

 

Yes, it's called Ivy Bridge and was released at the beginning of this year. Only the laptops have those chips while the Mac Mini, which uses laptop chips, does not. The iMac's Ivy Bridge chips were released before the laptop ones, even.

 

Besides, given the whining from people who bought a Mac a month before a new model comes out…

 

Those people really just need to do research before buying. I don't have much sympathy for them either, and it's not like their computers instantly break or something.

 

And Apple's Mac sales have been increasing for the past few years. Mac sales have not been going down at all.

 

Oh, guess they didn't last quarter. But I don't think an increase of 3k units, particularly when they DID go down just this year's first quarter, isn't very helpful. 

 


Edited by Tallest Skil - 10/3/12 at 9:05am

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Tim Cook has been CEO for approximately one year. For you to assert with any validity that he is the cause of the "once a year, if that" prospect, you need at least a few years. Apple is not a PC vendor where they issue speed bumps and spec changes every month all for the sake of a couple percentage points of performance increase. They haven't done that in a long time. I don't know why you expect it now. They'll wait until there's a meaningful performance or architectural change.

 

Besides, given the whining from people who bought a Mac a month before a new model comes out, I can't blame them for constantly upgrading their products for the sake of a little speed bump.

 

And Apple's Mac sales have been increasing for the past few years. Mac sales have not been going down at all. I don't know where you got that figure.

Agreeing with you and...Seriously, with the products that TS mentions (iMac, Mac Mini & Pro)  What else is there to innovate?  Form-Factor Change? Thinner? Lighter? Faster?  Well, faster will come when they think it's necessary.  But the other three are probably at it's end with Apple.  Spend the time and resources on the products that are thriving.  Thinner and Lighter are for Laptops and Tablets and smartphones.  Who would want an iMac or a Mac Mini that's thinner anyway?  If you want a thinner iMac, get a Macbook and an TB Display.  The options are there for you.  It's been shown that desktop sales have lessened now that tablets and Laptops are taking over the world.  So, why bother updating something just to try and spark a few extra sales?  They're doing fine, not to mention that those three devices are already light-years faster and more powerful than the laptops and tablets anyway.

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Apple has distorted what everyone considers a meaningful release cycle into what becomes an arduous wait for new computers for the entire latter half thereof. Should the next revisions of these products have little to no changes to them that previous, shorter cycle releases had to their predecessors, particularly since chips usable for meaningful updates have long since been released, it would be absurd. 

 

Happy? 

 

 

I don't like him turning computers into a 'once a year, if that' prospect.

 

So where ARE all these halo sales? Why have Mac sales been going down? Shouldn't they have 25% marketshare in the US by now?


Macs refresh every 18-24 months. I believe it's always been that way.

 

Mac Sales have been going up, outpacing the PC industry.

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Oh, guess they didn't last quarter. But I don't think an increase of 3k units, particularly when they DID go down just this year's first quarter, isn't very helpful. 

 

There's more to these figures than what you imply.  Consider all the rumors going on this year prior to WWDC about updated Macs.  Another point to those figures might be that people were holding off until Apple makes their scheduled yearly announcement for updated Mac HW.  Few expected Apple to announce Mountain Lion, a major OSX update, so soon after Lion.  Many users and Companies already purchased Lion-based machines last year when Sandy Bridge came out and probably won't update.  There are many other factors than just desktop sales.  As for the Pro, Who knows.  The Pro and the Mini seem to be the two desktops that are always behind on updates.

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Might also explain the travesty of iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro releases.

Unless you have some kind of insider information that there has been a delay etc that comment is out of line. Yeah some folks don't like how the Mac Pro was updated. Yes it's been a while since the iMac and Mini were updated. But we know nothing about why things are the way they are. Perhaps everything is on the original schedule because Apple is waiting for some element, controlled by another company, to be ready. They never revel way in advance so they wouldnt tell us that there will be this or that once X is ready for release. They just wait until it is.

So give up your source with name, position etc to the contrary or stop acting like those hit whoring hyperbole writing bloggers on every site. I would like to think some skeezy behavior is well beneath you
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Just leave well enough alone, Cook. Let the people who've done so well for Apple pick their own replacements.
Bob likely did, with Tim's blessing, and said replacement is still in place. Those sources could be taking smack and the truth is that they might be the folks, and the only folks, that don't want Dan as a boss. Or they might be pulled out of the writers butt and don't exist.

Similar to what was done with Woz, Steve had he lived, etc Bob was offered an advisors position which might have actually had nothing to do with this alleged issue and everything to do with rewarding Bob with a job well done. He gets a nice 'pension', gets a stock bonus and probably ends up working one day a month for all of that. The rest he gets to spend doing retiree stuff. It would also be a way to keep him from going to another company. If they are paying him then he is still Apple's employee and would have to have Apple's permission to work in anything that could be a conflict of interest.

In the tv industry we do a similar thing with show stars. We might not end them for every single episode but we want to make sure if the writers change their mind they aren't off doing something else so we pay them for every episode so they are still 'on the clock' with us. If some old show wants them to do a one off, those producers have to contact us to arrange schedules around us. And so on.

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Macs refresh every 18-24 months. I believe it's always been that way.

 

Mac Sales have been going up, outpacing the PC industry.


Yes, they're going up relative to PC industry.  However, I'm not a fan of the delayed iMac refresh.  Once a year was the max, and now it's even longer.  I'm curious what's up with that.  I hope it means they've got something serious in skunkworks planned for the iMac.  I really hope so.

I also think iMac sales have been going down simply because everyone is waiting for the new one to come out.  I'm certainly not going to buy one right now - as nice as they are - knowing that a refresh is imminent.  I know I'm not the only one and there are thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands thinking the exact same thing.

I'd really like to get a new iMac to retire my 2009 27" i7.  It's time.  My ideal skunkworks iMac:  27" Retina w/SSD ala MBA blade cards, and whatever high-horsepower CPU/GPU they can cram into it.

The conspiracy theorist in me is telling me they're holding off due to Retina screens testing and yield quantities.  :)

Come on Apple, get with the program.

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Apple has distorted what everyone considers a meaningful release cycle into what becomes an arduous wait for new computers for the entire latter half thereof.

Ah there it is. It's not about Apple but your ego. You think you are sooooo important that Apple should do what you want, when you want it. And, despite years of not telling their plans in advance unless it requires FCC or other approvals that will leak it anyway, you are mad that they haven't told you what is going on because you demand that information. So you are making baseless assumptions etc.

I take it back, Forbes etc should hire you today. Hyperbolic hit whoring is not beneath you.

A non tech's thoughts on Apple stuff 

(She's family so I'm a little biased)

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A non tech's thoughts on Apple stuff 

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post #34 of 60
What Talkest Skill says makes perfect sense - if the iMac was to get an upgrade without Retina it should have been out months ago.
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post
But the other three are probably at it's end with Apple.  Spend the time and resources on the products that are thriving. So, why bother updating something just to try and spark a few extra sales?  They're doing fine, not to mention that those three devices are already light-years faster and more powerful than the laptops and tablets anyway.

 

They're not doing fine, and I don't see how abandoning the video and audio production markets, the CAD market, and other high- and even mid-range stuff by not updating the Mac Pro or the iMac will help the rest of their products 'thrive'. 

 

Do we really want professionals of all fields using PCs and only consumers using Macs?


Originally Posted by jungmark View Post
Macs refresh every 18-24 months. I believe it's always been that way.

 

Unless you're talking about the Mac Pro, that's way off.

 


Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post
Consider all the rumors going on this year prior to WWDC about updated Macs.

 

And when that didn't happen, defying logic and past experience, people were upset and either waited or bought something else. MANY waited.


Another point to those figures might be that people were holding off until Apple makes their scheduled yearly announcement for updated Mac HW.

 

What?


Originally Posted by charlituna View Post
Unless you have some kind of insider information that there has been a delay etc that comment is out of line.

 

That's why I said "barring any significant, heretofore unknown change that will come with the next updates".


The rest he gets to spend doing retiree stuff. It would also be a way to keep him from going to another company. If they are paying him then he is still Apple's employee and would have to have Apple's permission to work in anything that could be a conflict of interest.

 

I buy your take on this, particularly that part.

 

Originally Posted by charlituna View Post
Ah there it is. It's not about Apple but your ego. You think you are sooooo important that Apple should do what you want, when you want it.

 

Ri~ght. I'm the only one that thinks this. Certainly explains Mac sales recently and the great number of people unsatisfied with current offerings because they're over a year old at the LEAST.


Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post
What Talkest Skill says makes perfect sense - if the iMac was to get an upgrade without Retina it should have been out months ago.
 

Tha~t's not at all what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #36 of 60
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Grow up.

 

Cook isn't infallible.

 

 

Not sure what's more pathetic, you telling me to grow up, or assessing performance of a product by comparing sales QoQ instead of YoY. You just don't do that, it's not indicative of anything. 

 

And no, Tim Cook isn't infallible, and you know damn well I wasn't implying he was. What I was saying was how ridiculous it is for you to bash him over a decision in which you're completely unaware of the internal factors and dynamics at play. You're not educated in the least about the environment in which that decision was made, so why state as a fact that it was the wrong call? It's something you do over and over again- about everything. I don't need to believe that Cook is infallible, for me to believe that he's in a much better position to make an educated, correct call on retaining talent than someone like you, who at the best of times has only bits and pieces of rumors with which to guide your opinions, instead of the entire picture, with the real facts, in crystal clarity that Tim Cook can see. Isn't that a reasonable asessment? Not that difficult of a concept, yet you always act purposely obtuse when you refuse to aknowledge someone's point. 

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Might also explain the travesty of iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro releases.

 

Just leave well enough alone, Cook. Let the people who've done so well for Apple pick their own replacements.

 

This seems over the top to me.  "Travesty"?  Really?  

 

Also, as I read this article (and others), your assertion that Tim somehow "interfered" with the process of choosing the replacement is way off.  No one else has suggested anything of the kind as far as I'm aware.  The replacement guy, was the guy that was always going to be the replacement, not someone Tim Cook picked over and above the objections of Mansfield on a whim as you seem to imply. 

post #38 of 60
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Originally Posted by NeilM View Post

"Travesty" has become one of those internet words that people keep writing without knowing what they mean.

 

Indeed.  A small delay in the updating of a popular computer line is hardly in the same league as most things one would want to label "travesties." 

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post
This seems over the top to me.  "Travesty"?  Really?  

 

When the parts have been available for months… 


I get your point on the other part.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #40 of 60

Drop in a bucket... I mean drop in a barrel. He deserves it and it's helping Apple, so the man is doing Apple a favor by agreeing to stay.  Nothing exorbitant here!
 

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