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Apple's new Maps service in iOS 6 isn't the only option for obtaining maps, directions, traffic information, local search and area visualizations. Here's a look at how it and various third party mapping options for iOS users compare.

Introducing iOS 6.0 Maps
Using Maps Offline
2: Maps and visualizations
3: Transit directions
4: Map labels & local search
5: Routing & traffic

Apple moves the target with Maps, again



When Apple first released its original Maps client for iPhone, it introduced a fundamental change in how users approached maps. While Apple's use of Google's map data caused many to assume that the iOS Maps app was actually Google's design, Apple made an important change to the overall interface used by Google on the web.

Google originally created its online maps product to entice web users to continue to use it for search. If you open a new browser window and go to maps.google.com, by default the map itself only takes up half the window, with the rest dedicated to Google's search results, including the paid ad placements that drive the company's business model.

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The original iPhone's built-in support for browsing Google Maps caused Steve Jobs' 2007 Macworld Expo audience to gasp and applaud at various points as he demonstrated graphically pinpointing search results, using the results to place a crank call to Starbucks, and to access road and satellite images from around the globe.



Rather than being oriented around search listings and paid placement, Apple's iPhone Maps app presented a full screen map that invited direct manipulation via iPhone's multitouch screen, something Google had never done before in its own Maps for Mobile product for Java phones, which focused on search results.

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Apple's customers are the end users who buy its products, so Apple's iOS Map design was focused on delivering value to them, rather than presenting the textual search results that served Google's customers. To Google, the attention of users is the product being sold; its paying customers are the advertisers, not users.

Apple, advertisers take maps in different directions



When Apple debuted the new iOS 6 Maps, it didn't launch a new advertising program built around ad placement and paid search placement. While Apple's iAd mobile ad network was designed to create interactive brand experiences to help third party developers monetize their apps, Apple doesn't use it in Maps or in any of its other first party iOS apps.

That means Maps remains a hardware-supported feature of iOS devices intended to drive hardware sales, rather than being a copy of Google's business. Apple's focus with the new Maps was to provide a compelling, differentiated product, a business model that is much closer to that of Nokia and GPS vendors than it is to Google's ad-centric model.

Since the introduction of Apple Maps app, Google and other advertisers have sought to remake online maps to focus on their search results. This is evident in Google's mobile web app, which continually reverts to presenting textual search results rather than just showing information on the map itself. Other advertising and search vendors, including Microsoft, Yahoo and AOL, similarly devote much of their online and web user interfaces to the links capable of driving traffic to their customers. Yahoo doesn't even show a map by default.

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It's therefore a very dangerous threat to advertisers like Google to see Apple join Nokia in introducing its own map service, because if end users are getting information without their help, there's little opportunity left to make money.

Google has been doing well competing against paid software and services with its own ad-supported software and services. It's now facing competition from Apple's hardware-supported software and services. While Google formerly enjoyed an exclusive partnership with Apple on iOS that allowed it to focus its competitive efforts against Microsoft, Nokia, Palm, RIM and others in the mobile space, it's now competing directly against Apple, too.

At the same time, Google isn't just competing against Apple's new iOS 6 Maps app. It's also now competing against everyone else in the iOS third party ecosystem, on the same, relatively level playing field.

Apple converts maps competition to platform competition



Since the introduction of iOS 6, Apple's new Maps application and its underlying cloud service supplying maps, 3D renderings, traffic and local search have been targeted by a hailstorm of criticism unmatched in the historical reception of comparable efforts to relaunch mobile software, including Palm and HP's webOS, Microsoft and Nokia's Windows Phone, and Google's Android 3.0 Honeycomb.

Rather than being greeted as a fresh new contender to professional GPS apps or the leading mobile mobile mapping software from Nokia and Google, Apple's new Maps and turn by turn directions service was ridiculed and berated for being flawed with 3D perspective glitches, missing map detail, and widespread reports of location errors.

Our initial look at what's wrong with iOS 6 Maps found that Apple does indeed have some real issues to address, but we also observed that the majority of the problems being reported seem to be insignificant visualization errors that can simply be turned off. Consumer Reports agreed.

Google's Earth program has the same types of visual errors in its 3D renderings (below, Earth's view of the Golden Gate Bridge versus Apple's Flyover version), but that doesn't prevent it from being a useful tool.

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Since our initial look at iOS 6 Maps, Apple's chief executive Tim Cook offered both an apology for the inconvenience posed by the rough iOS 6 Maps transition, and an invitation to iOS users to try alternative mapping titles in the App Store, as well as the mapping services from Nokia and Google available as web apps.

This changed the conversation entirely, as up to that point, commentators were describing iOS 6 Maps as being locked in a fierce, dramatic battle for supremacy with Google Maps. In reality, Apple has leveraged the entire iOS ecosystem to replace Google's former position as iOS's exclusive supplier of maps, directions, traffic and related information. Google can enter in that market, but it won't ever again have its exclusive position as being the default map service for the hundreds of millions of iOS users.


Search, mapping, GPS and specialized routing apps



There are three major categories of the native iOS map-related apps Cook recommended users try. The first are independent map services that are similar to Apple's Maps (including AOL's MapQuest and the community based OpenMaps) or include map related search (including Microsoft's Bing and the Yahoo Search app).

MapQuest, Bing and Yahoo also provide web apps, but their native iOS apps provide a relatively much better experience, especially for maps. Like Apple's native Maps app, these alternative mapping apps for iOS can generally deal with being used in a limited fashion offline, as long as enough data has been cached before you lose your data connection.

While the native apps from MapQuest and Bing provide their own maps (as shown above and detailed later), Yahoo's search app oddly uses Apple's system-provided maps on iOS 6 to present its Local search, but low resolution Nokia map images (with zoom and navigation controlled by tiny buttons) for Web search, and when asked for directions, it dumps users in Google's web app displaying verbose written directions.

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A second group of mapping apps are software "virtual" GPS devices sold as apps (like Navigon, TeleNav and TomTom).

Rather than being general purpose mapping tools, GPS apps are optimized and dedicated for driving directions, providing features such as detailed lane information and simplified orientation maps that make sense of complex intersections and freeway onramps. If you're familiar with using a standalone GPS, these apps nearly replicate the experience on your iPhone. If you're more accustomed to iOS Maps, these GPS apps will likely feel unfamiliar, limiting and confusing because they work in a very different manner.

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These GPS apps generally cost significantly more than most App Store titles (around $25-$120, although there are free and subscription fee versions), but they also include detailed maps of the entire region within the app. This means you can use them offline anywhere you go, but also means they can consume gigabytes of storage on your iOS devices (that means 10% or more of a 16GB iPhone).

A third group includes a variety of specialized apps that focus on a particular feature (such as providing Street View, Waze for social-driven routing, specialized search apps such as GasBuddy for finding gas station prices, Yelp for specialized search, or a wide library of Maps-integrated routing apps for transit, bikes, trails, ride sharing and similar services, which we briefly profiled earlier).

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Google's web app



Apple's new native Maps replaces the former version in iOS 5 that was powered by Google, but Google's mapping service is still available to iOS 6 users via its web site: maps.google.com. In addition to Google's own web app, there are third party native apps that provide access to other maps data proprietary to Google, such as the company's Transit routing (or Street View, as noted above).

As a side note, Google Earth has been available as a native iOS app for some time, but it doesn't work as a general purpose replacement for Maps. At best, it is comparable to Apple's Flyover feature, with more widespread coverage but older and more outdated images that are generally of poorer quality.

Google is expected to port at least most of the functionality of its native Android app to iOS, likely incorporating 3D visualization features from Earth, but it hasn't provided an intended release schedule. In the interim, Google plans to update its existing web app to provide Street View in the near future.

In our testing, Google's web app had some serious usability and reliability problems, frequently failing to load graphical map layers (below), refusing to properly refresh, and generally failing at inopportune times.

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It is a serious downgrade from Apple's iOS 5 native Maps experience, but still provides some information that is not available in iOS 6's new native app: Google traffic, satellite and local search information, as well as the company's routing directions for driving, walking, bikes and transit. A detailed review of its usefulness in each of these respects follows.

Nokia's web app



Nokia also provides free web access to its mapping service at maps.nokia.com, which while not as visually attractive as Apple's own (and a bit drab compared to Google's), consistently offers what appears to be the most sophisticated and accurate traffic routing of all the products we tried.

Nokia's mobile web maps also don't look quite as sharp as its native Nokia Maps and Drive apps for Windows Phone devices (which additionally provide turn by turn voice guided driving directions, offline maps and indoor maps), but the free site still seemed to work reliably on iOS, even if the interface feels less than familiar. Nokia's web app provides live traffic, standard maps and satellite images, local search and routes for driving, walking and transit.

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Nokia also has a 3D map visualization feature similar to Apple's Flyover or Google Earth, but it relies upon web plugins to use, so it isn't available on iOS (it can be used on OS X however; it appears to be more detailed and up to date than Earth but less so than Flyover, which is only visible from iOS 6).

Issues with web apps



Both Google and Nokia's web-only services are significantly limited by their use of the web to deliver maps. This is the same issue that caused Facebook to recently announce that it had wasted years of efforts on what its chief executive Mark Zuckerberg called "the biggest mistake we made as a company" of trying to leverage HTML5 to deliver a cross platform mobile app rather than pursuing development of custom, native apps from the start.

Native apps are more responsive and scale on the screen better than web apps can, both of which are particularly important to a mapping service. Both Google and Nokia's web apps for mapping only resize to certain zoom levels, unlike the companies' native apps for their own platforms (Android and Windows Phone, respectively), which are much closer in performance to Apple's own native app on iOS.

Web apps also can't be used at all when offline, so if you have intermittent data service, you may lose your map entirely and be unable to reload it, another serious disadvantage of relying upon web-based map services.

The web was designed to be "stateless," so for a web app to remember your settings between visits (or searches), it has to resort to saving cookies or other tricks, often with poor results. This contributes toward delivering a poor map experience too, as every time you visit one of these web apps, they seem to want to reset all your settings (such as turning off information layers) but at the same time, automatically fill in your old search targets.

Nokia's web app, for example, seems to default back to walking directions (which include going the "wrong" way on one way streets) while Google turns off traffic every time you access it. Those are probably the worst possible defaults for each site.

A fourth major downside to web apps is that they can't provide GPS-style turn by turn instructions that can recalculate your path if you miss a turn. If you obtain your driving directions from a web site and you run into a street closure or illegal turn (which wasn't uncommon in our testing), you have to manually find your way out of the situation. With real turn by turn, if you see the suggested turn is wrong or unsafe (or you miss it), you can just keep driving and the system will provide you with an new alternative course.

Nokia appears unlikely to release a native version of its app for iOS anytime in the near future, but Google is clearly working hard to deliver a native app for iOS users. That task is complicated by the fact that while Google's mapping service currently has strong advantages over Apple's own iOS 6 Maps, it is also clearly deficient in a number of important respects, as we will outline later.

Apple's daunting competitive challenge in maps



Criticism of Apple's new iOS 6 Maps has often contrasted it with the previous, Google-derived Maps in iOS 5. However, Apple wasn't hoping to just improve upon iOS 5 Maps. The company simply could not afford to just maintain feature parity with its previous product; it needed to do far more than just improve upon it.

Maps can be used for a number of tasks, but the main feature set Apple has targeted in its premier release of its own Maps in iOS 6 is a package of features that attempt to compete, not against iOS 5's Google-based maps, but against Google's more advanced Maps+Navigation product that has been exclusive to Android since 2009.

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The comparison above is a basic feature overview showing the how much Apple had to do to make Maps competitive with Google's Android offerings. It makes it clear that Apple wasn't just trying to swap Google out of iOS Maps without iPhone users being any the wiser. Apple made a huge investment in matching nearly every major feature Google had, a tremendous goal given Google's extensive experience and expertise in delivering mobile maps.

While media attention has focused on the new Maps' lack of Street View and Transit from iOS 5, that view ignores the vast efforts Apple was forced to undertake to modernize Maps. Apple prioritized driving directions with traffic updates in its initial release of maps, but also took on the 3D representations of Google Earth.

The question remains: how well did Apple do in its efforts to catch up with Google? And more importantly for most iOS users: how well does iOS 6 Maps actually work, and how does it compare with other alternatives available on iOS:

Introducing iOS 6.0 Maps
Using Maps Offline
2: Maps and visualizations
3: Transit directions
4: Map labels & local search
5: Routing & traffic
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I'm going to take this eleventeenth maps-based article as an opportunity to just come right out and say it:

 

I don't have a problem with the Maps app. It's good enough for me.

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Does anyone have a list of the basic voice commands for the new Maps app. I only used it once but it took a few tries to get Siri ready to go. I can't remember exactly what I finally said that made sense to her. For example what is the best way to initiate a rerouting? I know she is supposed to understand natural language but quite often all she is interested in doing is finding 14 restaurants, 13 of which are near you. That girl likes to eat.

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I'm going on record and agreeing with atashi. Not only don't I have a problem with the new Maps app, I like it better than Google maps. Its much more responsive on my phone, it's just as accurate in that areas in which I travel, and I find the flyover feature impressive. Google maps did not work for my transit options anyway, and I found Street View to mostly be a weirdly creepy gimmick.

So, "haters gonna hate", and everyone seems to love piling onto the "beat-up Apple" bandwagon, but I think the maps program is pretty good.
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Does anyone have a list of the basic voice commands for the new Maps app. I only used it once but it took a few tries to get Siri ready to go. I can't remember exactly what I finally said that made sense to her. For example what is the best way to initiate a rerouting? I know she is supposed to understand natural language but quite often all she is interested in doing is finding 14 restaurants, 13 of which are near you. That girl likes to eat.

I don't know if this helps but here's a good starting point for using Siri;

 

http://www.tuaw.com/2012/09/14/what-can-you-say-to-siri-in-ios-6/

post #6 of 65

Granted, I live in Metro Atlanta, but the new Maps--as compared to the old Maps app--works identically for me.  I hardly used street view before.  Turn by turn directions with Siri integration has replaced Waze for GPS features. 

 

@mstone: I said "give me directions to 123 main street, atlanta georgia."  Siri understood and transferred me to Maps for navigation.  No fuss, no muss.

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I have to say I like the maps program. Google maps has led me astray a time or two so whoopee. I suspect most users will find it adequate for teir needs. There just seem to be a lot of people looking for any flaw they can find in the map app while ignoring the same flaws in Google maps.

Anyway, that is my opinion and I don't mind offering it. ;-)
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I'd like to see a comparison between phone-based navigation and a dedicated GPS like the latest Garmins.
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I think the key is the default app on iOS. The vast majority of people won't download a 3rd party app to replace maps so they'll just use the default one. I think that Maps is fine. Not great but okay and hopefully going to get better and more information quickly.

I've found it works really well in offline mode (which you state it doesn't do well in the top right box of the comparison chart with Google). I have a limited data plan so I often turn off cellular data when I'm out until I need it. And if you load up maps while on Wifi, it works well for zooming in and panning around when there's no network connection. Obviously you can't search for something else without a network connection or a new route, but you can follow an existing route that you set up previously via Wifi.
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I too, like the new Maps better than Google's for navigation. It hasn't let me down yet. I also have Navigon though I haven't had to use it (Use it when abroad), as well as Waze which I sometimes consult to double check. But Google was better for finding POI's, like my fave coffee shops.
post #11 of 65
This is a good, if biased, article... if you live in San Francisco.

The conclusions drawn aren't valid for the rest of the world though, especially outside of the US.
post #12 of 65
Maybe the invitation to try competing products was really a disguised way of saying - just you go and try to find an alternative that works so much better with so many less flaws that you don't come crawling back - or more likely - running back.
post #13 of 65
Maps has still fudged up the name of the location where I live. And what good is tapping on the pin if you don't get a Street View?
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Maybe the invitation to try competing products was really a disguised way of saying - just you go and try to find an alternative that works so much better with so many less flaws that you don't come crawling back - or more likely - running back.


I think that's a good point.  There are some issues with the Maps.app but there are issues with other options as well.  Certainly the amount of hype it's been getting is way overblown and if people try to compare amongst the various options they will see that it's not as bad as everyone says and most will find it perfectly adequate for their purposes.  This is one of the biggest things about getting Google's maps out of the default position.  Letting people see what all the other alternatives are.  And by the time Google releases their stand alone app, most will have used Maps for a few months and won't feel the need to switch.  (I would probably download it as a backup just for those cases where Maps doesn't work).

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I'd like to see a comparison between phone-based navigation and a dedicated GPS like the latest Garmins.

Yes, and throw in dedicated GPS apps with locally stored maps into the mix. It would be interesting to see how Google and Apple maps fare against Garmins et all but the fairer comparison would be dedicated devices against dedicated navigation Apps.

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Maps has still fudged up the name of the location where I live. And what good is tapping on the pin if you don't get a Street View?

So far, only navigation options. Which is generally all I want.

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Granted, I live in Metro Atlanta, but the new Maps--as compared to the old Maps app--works identically for me.  I hardly used street view before.  Turn by turn directions with Siri integration has replaced Waze for GPS features. 

 

@mstone: I said "give me directions to 123 main street, atlanta georgia."  Siri understood and transferred me to Maps for navigation.  No fuss, no muss.

The main problem with Siri and Southern California is there are so many Spanish names and when set to English she doesn't understand the names and is awful at pronouncing them. And by the way in my opinion the new Spanish Siri is absolutely unusable. The problem really is that Siri should be in bilingual mode so I can tell her sentences that contain both English and Spanish as that is the way it is around here and also in Central America because there are many English words that have no translation so we use the English words.

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Yes, and throw in dedicated GPS apps with locally stored maps into the mix. It would be interesting to see how Google and Apple maps fare against Garmins et all but the fairer comparison would be dedicated devices against dedicated navigation Apps.

i have Navigon that i used in August

 

very good maps

crappy interface

it had misrouted me as well

 

i've used Waze for over a year and bought navigon for a vacation. waze couldn't find an address i would be using while on vacation. Navigon had it but it sent me to the other side of town one time when navigating to a different address in the same town.

google maps on iOS was crap because the traffic reports were crap. it would tell me light traffic and then it would be a stand still by the time i got to the highway. waze had the best traffic

post #19 of 65
All the rational reviews, logical comparisons, level headed approaches, mean absolutely nothing. The drama queens and naysayers scream the loudest by far and they have declared the maps app to be the end of Apple, the "gate" that finally brings them down. Who can argue against irrational rage?

For the record, not that it matters one little bit, but I find the new maps app to be better than the previous one too. And it will only get better.
post #20 of 65
I didn't realize that Maps was still lactating because I coulda swore AppleInsider is still milking it.

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Wow, I like how the world (including Apple) is saying that the new Maps app is garbage yet AI is in some kind of denial.

Yes, Apples Map app works (most of the time), yes it might have some places where the '3D' rendering is better than Google Earth/Maps... but when you look at the big picture, the Google product has time on its side, almost 9 years of development. Just by that alone, Apple has alot of catching up to do in order to even come close to Google and its Maps app.

Over these 9 years they have developed both a web interface (accessible to everyone via the internet) that integrates with your phone/tablet so there is no need to write down or remember that address. Google has built in an optional location history that tells you where you have been (Google Latitude). Google developed navigation for those who use public transit, those who bike, and for those who walk (not to mention the normal driving navigation). Google has introduced offline maps so you don't need to be connected to the internet to access maps (which is nice for a wi-fi only tablet or a phone that doesn't get the greatest of reception). The Google Street View project has put more than 5 million miles on their fleet of vehicles, that's just shy of 10.5 trips to the moon and back. The list goes on and on...

Maybe Apple Maps will one day be on the same level as Google is now. But as of right now, Apple has taken a large step back in ditching Google Maps and their 9 years of development to introduce this experimental app to their users.

And for the record, I do have both a iPhone 4S (that has been downgraded back to iOS5 after 2 weeks of 6) and a Motorola Droid 4 (on Ice Cream Sandwich/Android 4.0.4) & I use both on a daily basis.
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... if people try to compare amongst the various options they will see that it's not as bad as everyone says and most will find it perfectly adequate for their purposes. ...

 

While I agree that the negative hype is too much and that overall the app isn't that bad (and can only improve), I don't think you could argue that it's "adequate for (most people's) purposes" as you say. 

 

Most people (world-wide not USA) don't drive, so the over-emphasis on car traffic and turn by turn is not helpful for "most."  

The complete lack of transit directions means that it can't really be considered adequate for most people either.  

The walking directions are a joke and best not mentioned at all.  

There is exactly zero information of any kind on bike paths, etc. at least in my area.   

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Wow, I like how the world (including Apple) is saying that the new Maps app is garbage yet AI is in some kind of denial.
Yes, Apples Map app works (most of the time), yes it might have some places where the '3D' rendering is better than Google Earth/Maps... but when you look at the big picture, the Google product has time on its side, almost 9 years of development. Just by that alone, Apple has alot of catching up to do in order to even come close to Google and its Maps app.
Over these 9 years they have developed both a web interface (accessible to everyone via the internet) that integrates with your phone/tablet so there is no need to write down or remember that address. Google has built in an optional location history that tells you where you have been (Google Latitude). Google developed navigation for those who use public transit, those who bike, and for those who walk (not to mention the normal driving navigation). Google has introduced offline maps so you don't need to be connected to the internet to access maps (which is nice for a wi-fi only tablet or a phone that doesn't get the greatest of reception). The Google Street View project has put more than 5 million miles on their fleet of vehicles, that's just shy of 10.5 trips to the moon and back. The list goes on and on...
Maybe Apple Maps will one day be on the same level as Google is now. But as of right now, Apple has taken a large step back in ditching Google Maps and their 9 years of development to introduce this experimental app to their users.
And for the record, I do have both a iPhone 4S (that has been downgraded back to iOS5 after 2 weeks of 6) and a Motorola Droid 4 (on Ice Cream Sandwich/Android 4.0.4) & I use both on a daily basis.

  1. First Post. Check.
  2. "I have Apple devices." Check.
  3. List features that iOS 5 Maps didn't have. Check.
  4. Complains about Transit (although Transit apps are available). Check. (Valid complaint when 1, 2 & 3 = false)
  5. Complains about "Street View" (although "Street View" apps are available). Check. (Valid complaint when 1, 2 & 3 = false)




but... but... I am a Pandaren Monk, I swear!


The reason Google pundits went ape$h!7 about Apple Maps is because Google sees the potential of the Apple solution. Map Gate was a paid smear campaign by Google much like Cut-and-Pastegate, Flashgate and Antennagate .
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i have Navigon that i used in August

 

very good maps

crappy interface

it had misrouted me as well

 

i've used Waze for over a year and bought navigon for a vacation. waze couldn't find an address i would be using while on vacation. Navigon had it but it sent me to the other side of town one time when navigating to a different address in the same town.

google maps on iOS was crap because the traffic reports were crap. it would tell me light traffic and then it would be a stand still by the time i got to the highway. waze had the best traffic

Which proves the point that none is perfect. All of them are pretty good (better than a paper map imo) and together they are a little better. Just because Navigon can't find an address once or twice, or if Google maps lead me to a slightly wrong location, I don't find either of them useless. My expectations have been tempered after years of traveling and countless miles and hours being lost. 

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I don't know if this helps but here's a good starting point for using Siri;

 

http://www.tuaw.com/2012/09/14/what-can-you-say-to-siri-in-ios-6/

Is there an equivalent for iOS 5?

post #26 of 65

I just went on a huge road trip all over Texas with the new Maps app, some 1000 miles finding some really obscure places and popular places alike.  The only problem I encountered was finding Sundance Square in Fort Worth.  In this case, we were sent to a nearby parking lot, like 3 blocks away.

 

All told, I'm thrilled.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

While I agree that the negative hype is too much and that overall the app isn't that bad (and can only improve), I don't think you could argue that it's "adequate for (most people's) purposes" as you say. 

Most people (world-wide not USA) don't drive, so the over-emphasis on car traffic and turn by turn is not helpful for "most."  
The complete lack of transit directions means that it can't really be considered adequate for most people either.  
The walking directions are a joke and best not mentioned at all.  
There is exactly zero information of any kind on bike paths, etc. at least in my area.   

That's a fair assessment. What gets me is how Apple Maps is missing some major London train stations. Maybe the app is caching data but I reported the errors a month ago now (during the beta phase) and still haven't seen a fix.
post #28 of 65
One thing I haven't noticed anyone saying: the new Apple Maps app is MUCH faster than the old one. I also think it's much better looking. As for accuracy, it's been fine for me. The old Google version has sent me in the wrong direction numerous times.
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Originally Posted by brutus009 View Post

I just went on a huge road trip all over Texas with the new Maps app, some 1000 miles finding some really obscure places and popular places alike.  The only problem I encountered was finding Sundance Square in Fort Worth.  In this case, we were sent to a nearby parking lot, like 3 blocks away.

 

All told, I'm thrilled.

 

Try this same trip anywhere outside of the continental USA and you will be surprised how completely opposite the experience will be.  

 

Personally, instead of an apology, I'd like to hear from Apple exactly what their strategy is going to be moving forward in terms of fixing the data (leaving out the problems of the app itself).  

 

For instance I was in Vancouver last weekend.   This is the third largest city in Canada, barely across the border from the USA and where a huge amount of Hollywood movies are filmed.  Millions of people live there and it's also a very technologically inclined area, much like Silicon valley.  There are 3D maps and 3D building information readily available on the City Hall website and complete vector maps not only of every street and park but of all the electrical corridors, sewers, everything.  Vancouver is years ahead of most other cities of it's size and age in terms of having this kind of data available for public view.  

 

Yet Apple's maps of Vancouver are almost unusable.  I know because I was trying to use them all last weekend. 

 

Parks overlap streets in ridiculous ways.  Every single Train station is placed where the station is underground and not where you would actually enter it (blocks to one side usually).  Most streets have a couple or three restaurants listed on them even though in fact they are lined on both sides with restaurants of all kinds.  If you search for a restaurant of a particular type it will find some and mostly they are accurate, but there must be about 70-80% (conservatively!) that don't show at all.  Pedestrian areas are all unmarked, so roads you aren't allowed to drive on are included in the driving directions (only a matter of time until a tourist mows down some pedestrians).  

 

Other than the basic, general layout of the streets (which is only mostly correct because streets change so infrequently), I found the map app absolutely useless for getting around, and this is in a huge "western" city in North America, less than an hour from the border.  I absolutely shudder to think what it's like trying to use this app anywhere remote or uncharted.  

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My experience with iOS 6 Maps: Bay Area - pretty good National Capital Region - okay to good Baltimore - marginal to okay Frederick, MD to Harrisburg, PA - sketchy to marginal (did some things very well, but it also got me lost a couple of times and sent me down roads that didn't exist anymore. When it sent me down the non-existant road, it just stopped working altogether. I guess it wasn't embarrassed. Turn-by-turn spoken directions - devours the battery (or rather the power stored therein) My evaluation of MapQuest app: App sucks hairy Butters' chin-balls Experience over the last few months with iOS 5 Google Maps: Although located in the Bay Area by hitting the angled-north-arrow thing, it routinely returned search results in SoCal for Hotdog on a Stick, somewhere in Texas for Bass Pro Shop, and somewhere in Nebraska for Target. These are the three I remember because they were particularly irritating. Failed to return search results sometimes. Seemed to insist on re-zooming-in after I pinched to zoom out. Really annoying. Are these the fault of the app or the maps? I don't know. All in all, I am happy to make the transition. At least I have a new set of things to piss me off, and I know things will get better. Edit: Sorry, website took out all my formatting and won't let me put it back in.
Edited by BigBillyGoatGruff - 10/3/12 at 1:10pm
post #31 of 65
Great write-up. One of probably only 3 articles worth reading on this subject. Excellent job!
post #32 of 65
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Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post

Maps has still fudged up the name of the location where I live. And what good is tapping on the pin if you don't get a Street View?

I won't belive you unless you give us a screen shot. Until then, it's assumed to be a lie.
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Originally Posted by vreeland View Post
Wow, I like how the world (including Apple) is saying that the new Maps app is garbage yet AI is in some kind of denial.

 

Yes, you know what "the world" says, and yes, you know how to read, given that you think Apple has stated Maps is "garbage".


but when you look at the big picture, the Google product has time on its side, almost 9 years of development.

 

Huh. Maybe it's just a touch premature to start slamming Apple given this information, eh? 

 

Remember what happened the last two times Apple entered a market with absolutely no prior experience therein?


The Google Street View project has put more than 5 million miles on their fleet of vehicles, that's just shy of 10.5 trips to the moon and back.

 

What a waste of gasoline. And I bet those cars weren't even self-driving, so that's even more gas wasted because Google didn't multitask.


Maybe Google Maps will one day be on the same level as Yahoo! is now. But as of right now, Google has taken a large step back in ditching Yahoo! Maps and their whatever years of development to introduce this experimental app to their users.

 

People, in aught three. 


And for the record, I do have both a iPhone 4S (that has been downgraded back to iOS5 after 2 weeks of 6) and a Motorola Droid 4 (on Ice Cream Sandwich/Android 4.0.4) & I use both on a daily basis.

 

*yawn*

 


Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post


I won't belive you unless you give us a screen shot. Until then, it's assumed to be a lie.

 

Happy probably-1,000-by-the-time-I-finish-writing-this-post!


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  1. First Post. Check.
  2. "I have Apple devices." Check.

 

And the e-mail address associated with his account certainly shows how much he cares about the content he posts here. 

 

's a little in-joke for Jeff and the boys here… As silly as it is, I'm not going to reveal a user's e-mail.

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post #34 of 65

Watch this video (link below)

Its not just about navigation...it's a whole lot more.  

 

 

 

http://maps.google.com/help/maps/starthere/behind.html

 

Then, explore these links to realize what you're missing by using iOS Maps.

 

http://www.google.com/mobile/maps/

http://maps.google.com/help/maps/starthere/index.html

 

Note: The newer features shown off at a press even in June.


Edited by antkm1 - 10/3/12 at 2:11pm
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By the way, this article is such a pro-Apple, biased piece.  Every phrase is chock-full of spin it makes me sick.  The only way Apple will come out winning at the Maps game is to improve search...and that's something that they have about 12 years of catching up to do.

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Originally Posted by vreeland View Post

Wow, I like how the world (including Apple) is saying that the new Maps app is garbage yet AI is in some kind of denial.

AI's not the only one.

John Gruber (Daring Fireball, The Talk Show podcast) and his little circle of podcast guests are entirely dismissive of the whole issue.

Odd really, because I tend to agree with a lot of what he says, but not this time.

post #37 of 65
Have to say I agree with atashi and mastoid. The Maps.app works fine for what I need a map app on a phone to do. Recording coordinates for birding apps, locating specific restaurants, bluetooth calls, and the odd time or two when I need to locate my position on a trail. For driving applications I don't see any phone app worth fussing over compared to my Garmin GPS which is easy to use, update, and follow turn-by-turn directions (muted). Not to say Map.app doesn't have it shortcomings and quite honestly, was over hyped. But then I find most of the mobile apps on phones to be overhyped.
post #38 of 65
I do not have a problem with Apple's new maps app in iOS. In fact, I really like it a lot. There I said it!

That's not to belittle any criticism leveled at it's inaccuracies and problems. It's just that I'm tired of all the media attention and articles which is blowing things way out of proportion. You would think the world is coming to an end or people suddenly are losing their way in our cities and roads and driving into bodies of water and over cliffs.

I didn't by my iPhone for maps only. I am more than willing to live with the errors for now while it continues to improve. But most of all, I love having the turn by turn voice navigation feature that Google was not willing to give iPhone users. It works perfectly for me.

Instead of the constant whining and complaining, let's put the effort into identifying errors and submitting them to Apple. The sooner the better. Cause in the end, Apple's new maps are going to blow Google's maps out of the water. And you better bet that Google knows this.

There, I said it. Can we move on?
post #39 of 65
Apples TOMTOM map sucks in comparison to Goggles map plain ans simple. Apple screwed us.
post #40 of 65
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Maps has still fudged up the name of the location where I live. And what good is tapping on the pin if you don't get a Street View?

LOL... You need a Street view find your house?
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