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Apple is said to have made "significant changes" to its "Made for iPhone" rules, which has prevented third-party accessory makers from promptly getting their new Lightning-compatible accessories to market.

Apple's changes have tightened the company's control over Lightning accessories, according to a report published Wednesday by iLounge. It indicated that only Apple-approved manufacturing facilities will be given the ability to approve Lightning accessories, and Apple has not yet granted approval for any factories.

Unnamed sources who spoke with author Phil Dzikiy said that Apple is planning a "Made for iPhone" seminar in November in China. It's expected that third-party accessory makers will not be able to assemble and ship products in time for Christmas due to the short lead time.

AppleInsider was first to report last month on a chip found contained in Apple's new Lightning connector. Peter from Double Helix Cables has speculated that the hardware is an authentication chip that would prevent unauthorized companies from making their own Lightning cables and accessories.

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Those unauthorized suppliers based out of China admitted last week they are still working to clone Apple's Lightning cable and integrated chip. But those companies will apparently be unable to make any products until they can reverse engineer Apple's Lightning technology, while authorized accessory makers still await Apple's approval of their factories and products.

Some companies began advertising accessories such as Lightning to 30-pin adapters on Amazon less than a week after the iPhone 5 was unveiled, but their scheduled ship dates continue to be pushed back. Once accessory, the Nanotch adapter, is currently advertised to be released on Oct. 30, however it remains to be seen if that deadline will be met.
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...  Apple's changes have tightened the company's control over Lightning accessories, according to a report published Wednesday by iLounge. It indicated that only Apple-approved manufacturing facilities will be given the ability to approve Lightning accessories, ...

 

These sentences makes it sound like Apple is exerting some draconian control measures merely for it's own devilish pleasure.

 

The more likely explanation is that it doesn't want approved Apple accessories made at toxic plants that employ children.  

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I love my iPhone 5 but the way apple is handling the accessories market pisses me off.
Is there a legit car charge available?
Att said they don't have them (nor did the store I go to have the ability t transfer data from old to new iPhone)
I see none on the apple store. So you just have to buy a 30 dollar cable (rip off) and then plug it into the USB (if u have one) already on your car charger.

Appears to me as though they are just being anal.
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I love my iPhone 5 but the way apple is handling the accessories market pisses me off.
Is there a legit car charge available?
Att said they don't have them (nor did the store I go to have the ability t transfer data from old to new iPhone)
I see none on the apple store. So you just have to buy a 30 dollar cable (rip off) and then plug it into the USB (if u have one) already on your car charger.
Appears to me as though they are just being anal.


Umm if your car charger has a USB input already why would you need the adapter? Shouldn't you just be able to plug the lighting cable directly into that since it's USB at the end?

 

For example this should absolutely work

 

http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-Dual-Heavy-Ouput-Charger/dp/B00622AG6S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1349293829&sr=8-2&keywords=iphone+car+charger

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or substandard cabling that will fry devices.

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Umm if your car charger has a USB input already why would you need the adapter? Shouldn't you just be able to plug the lighting cable directly into that since it's USB at the end?

 

For example this should absolutely work

 

http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-Dual-Heavy-Ouput-Charger/dp/B00622AG6S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1349293829&sr=8-2&keywords=iphone+car+charger

 

that would work fine, but most people (including I) seem to prefer a stand alone car charger without having to buy a highly priced cable from apple 

 

a cable should cost 10 bucks, i don't want to pay an "Apple Tax" on a cable haha

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The more likely explanation is that it doesn't want approved Apple accessories made at toxic plants that employ children.  

 

 

I hope this is the reason why. If so, Apple is going out of it's way to make sure that not only will the iPhone itself be enviro and labour friendly, but associated accessories too. Now this is raising the bar to a new level.

 

There is a bit of me concerned that it is all for profit....

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that would work fine, but most people (including I) seem to prefer a stand alone car charger without having to buy a highly priced cable from apple 

 

a cable should cost 10 bucks, i don't want to pay an "Apple Tax" on a cable haha


But they give you a cable. Just use that one until the third party ones hit the market

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a cable should cost 10 bucks, i don't want to pay an "Apple Tax" on a cable haha

Says who?

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Apple tax? FUD U
know
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Dear Gawd- not this again.
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There is a bit of me concerned that it is all for profit....

I would hope that they are making a profit.  That is the general idea behind being in business after all...

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The way the company is handling the launch is not up to Apple's standard.  While the company is selling millions of new phones, they forget about the cases, the charging cables, and adapters for accessories.  None of those are available. Now, they want to nickel and dime the accessory makers.  That is not a good way to do business if they are pissing their customers off.

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Dear Gawd- not this again.


not ^ again... the door is over there >

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Originally Posted by Seankill View Post

 

that would work fine, but most people (including I) seem to prefer a stand alone car charger without having to buy a highly priced cable from apple 

 

a cable should cost 10 bucks, i don't want to pay an "Apple Tax" on a cable haha


Really?? I think Macbooks should cost $1.99.  There!!

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I would hope that they are making a profit.  That is the general idea behind being in business after all...

 

keyword in my statement is "all", i'm certainly very happy if Apple makes a ton of money

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Originally Posted by Seankill View Post
a cable should cost 10 bucks, i don't want to pay an "Apple Tax" on a cable haha

 

Contrary to the standard "vote with your wallet" belief, you don't get to determine what you pay for this sort of thing. You don't want to pay it, fine. You don't get to have it.

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keyword in my statement is "all", i'm certainly very happy if Apple makes a ton of money

You would think that they are making less profit than before because the new Lightning to USB cable sells for the same price as the legacy 30-Pin to USB cable, and the Lightning cable has the additional manufacturing expense of the chip.

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The big problem here is that we are all stuck wondering what the deal is on the cables because Apple won't tell us. If there is a reason for the cables to cost $29, all they have to do is explain why, and the anger will dissipate. If there is a reason why 3rd parties can't mass produce them, tell us. If there's a reason the chip is there aside from reversing the pins, tell us. This whole Apple secrecy thing gets quite old sometimes.
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I hope this is the reason why. If so, Apple is going out of it's way to make sure that not only will the iPhone itself be enviro and labour friendly, but associated accessories too. Now this is raising the bar to a new level.

 

There is a bit of me concerned that it is all for profit....

 

Well the kind of cruel, "we just want to make as much money as possible!" attitude that would be represented by the other option is pretty unlikely.  Despite everyone harping on this sort of thing every time it's in the press and assuming the worst, Apple has historically never done that kind of thing.  Everyone just loves to hate Apple and generally ascribes base motives to them without any evidence or history whatsoever.  I think it says more about those making the accusations than it does about Apple. 

 

It's also interesting how everyone harps on Apple's accessory prices, and no one ever defends them in return, but obvious scams like "Monster" cables are rarely criticised except in jest, and even then hundreds of idiots will cram their two cents in about how the price is totally justified or whatever.  

 

It's all about Apple, and hating Apple.  

This is where the two most popular memes about Apple originate IMO.  

 

Apple is the underdog that miraculously succeeded.  Apple is the ugly girl that everyone made fun of during the Microsoft years that now turns out to be a movie star.  Since most folks are bitter and shallow, they will go out of their way to find reasons why Apple will soon be the underdog again (Apple is doomed) and to search the movie star's beautiful face for pimples and zits (Apple products are no better than product X).  

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The big problem here is that we are all stuck wondering what the deal is on the cables because Apple won't tell us. If there is a reason for the cables to cost $29, all they have to do is explain why, and the anger will dissipate. If there is a reason why 3rd parties can't mass produce them, tell us. If there's a reason the chip is there aside from reversing the pins, tell us. This whole Apple secrecy thing gets quite old sometimes.

 

Actually this is all known stuff.  

 

- The cable is $30 because of the chip.

- the chip is there to identify the accessory as "genuine"

- 3rd parties *can* mass produce them (by buying a licence to do so)

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If there is a reason for the cables to cost $29, all they have to do is explain why, and the anger will dissipate. If there is a reason why 3rd parties can't mass produce them, tell us.

Last time I checked, Apple was charging $19 for the Lightning to USB cable.

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that would work fine, but most people (including I) seem to prefer a stand alone car charger without having to buy a highly priced cable from apple 

 

What's a stand alone car charger? An adapter that comes with a cable?

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This "Apple is a failure" because my specialty item or this or that application peculiarity / defect is 'annoying' crap is getting old.  Here's some news for all of you complainers; if you want the world to be perfect, give it up now.  It ain't going to happen.  Don't buy the latest and greatest tech toy if you are not willing to suffer through the start-up phase of the process.  Any noob tech person knows not to move ahead with any new technology or software before fully vetting the same - especially if its connected to something that may be mission critical.   All of your toys will eventually be available and then some.  Same with iOS.  Don't upgrade if Maps is critical to your daily life.  Other than new iPhone 5 owners, NO ONE has to upgrade. Guess how many of my friends, colleagues, and contacts who are running iOS6 are complaining about the new Maps?  Zero. None. Nada!   Stop all of the incessant whining, troll poop slinging and foot stomping.   There's nothing to see here.  Move along....
 

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Are people really defending Apple for charging a fortune for a cable? These thing should cost a few bucks. They will cost a few bucks in the next month or two and all that effort to sabotage the accessory market will be for nothing.
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Are people really defending Apple for charging a fortune for a cable? These thing should cost a few bucks. They will cost a few bucks in the next month or two and all that effort to sabotage the accessory market will be for nothing.


Are you kidding me the chip alone cost more than that get a clue.

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Originally Posted by mwhiteco View Post
Are you kidding me the chip alone cost more than that…

 

I somehow doubt this. 

post #28 of 62
I've been expressing my opinion on the whole Lightning Connector thing since before the iPhone 5 launched, so I guess it's pretty well known at this point. Whenever I see threads like this it makes realize more and more how misguided Apple is getting without Jobs at the wheel. It's not that I dislike Cook, quite opposite, I actually like the guy, but he lacks Jobs' determination. He wouldn't even need to be a visionary to be a worthy replacement to Jobs; all he needed was Jobs' perfectionism!
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As more and more people say to me (unsolicited), the iPhone 5 marks the beginning of the end for Apple as a major player - unless they start to be more thoughtful. Their product range is a complete mess, from Thunderbolt to Pages, where there is no consistency or fluidity between their own or industry standards.

A contrast to the open and therefore more flexible less costly alternatives.
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Actually this is all known stuff.  

- The cable is $30 because of the chip.
- the chip is there to identify the accessory as "genuine"
- 3rd parties *can* mass produce them (by buying a licence to do so)

The chip is to determine which way the plug is inserted since it can be plugged in either way.
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Actually this is all known stuff.  

- The cable is $30 because of the chip.
- the chip is there to identify the accessory as "genuine"
- 3rd parties *can* mass produce them (by buying a licence to do so)

The chip is to determine which way the plug is inserted since it can be plugged in either way.

You don't need a chip for that, you can use the power pins to tell whether the connector is facing the same way on both ends by probing the flow of current with a diode. That really IS child's play, I used to play with analog electronics when I was 6, so I'm not even exaggerating...
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The big problem here is that we are all stuck wondering what the deal is on the cables because Apple won't tell us. If there is a reason for the cables to cost $29, all they have to do is explain why, and the anger will dissipate. If there is a reason why 3rd parties can't mass produce them, tell us. If there's a reason the chip is there aside from reversing the pins, tell us. This whole Apple secrecy thing gets quite old sometimes.

 

It can be frustrating at times.  Funny, every tech site had pictures of iPhone 5 parts and specs prior to launch, yet the no one knew the cable specs outside of the number of pins.  I guess the "doubling-down" on security was meant for the cables.

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Are people really defending Apple for charging a fortune for a cable? These thing should cost a few bucks. They will cost a few bucks in the next month or two and all that effort to sabotage the accessory market will be for nothing.

 

I am not defending them, but come on, this is nothing new.  Apple original accessories have always been around these prices.  It's not like their previous cables and dongles have been cheap.  People are just upset that they can't get their cheaper third-party accessories yet.

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The way the company is handling the launch is not up to Apple's standard.  While the company is selling millions of new phones, they forget about the cases, the charging cables, and adapters for accessories.  None of those are available. Now, they want to nickel and dime the accessory makers.  That is not a good way to do business if they are pissing their customers off.

 

As this is a move to a completely new connector format, it is expected there would be some bumps in the road, but it's only temporary.  This connector will be used in Apple devices for years to come, so once the factories are up and running with the chip specs, this should't be an issue for a long time.  Give them some time.  As someone else mentioned, just use the cable that came with the phone for a little while.  It is not like they just sold you a phone and left you hanging without something to charge it with.

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I just want a dock!

Shouldn't be too hard, just an 8 pin passthrough like the older dock - no need for the microchip...

post #36 of 62
It's an active cable, FFS! The pins on it change function depending on what it negotiates with the phone. Apple doesn't want some half-baked cable negotiating to put high amperage charging power on a pin that was supposed to have some sensitive signal, blowing out the phone with no evidence to the store personnel what caused the problem, having that person trade in the phone on warrantee, then do it AGAIN, not even realizing that it was their crappy cable!

No, I don't blame Apple at all for making this hard, only that they didn't have two separate decryption keys, one for their own cables and others for everyone else. In that way, if the phone came in for warrantee repair on the port and had been used with a non-Apple cable, they would be able to tell without raising the prices on everything to afford all the repairs.
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You don't need a chip for that, you can use the power pins to tell whether the connector is facing the same way on both ends by probing the flow of current with a diode. That really IS child's play, I used to play with analog electronics when I was 6, so I'm not even exaggerating...

You are thinking inside the box.  Why do you think all these pins have a specific, full-time function?  What makes you think that with the right chip, a Thunderbolt cable could not be made?

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Originally Posted by orangesauce View Post
You are thinking inside the box.  Why do you think all these pins have a specific, full-time function?  What makes you think that with the right chip, a Thunderbolt cable could not be made?

 

Not gonna fly with him. He only deals in things that exist.


You know, like the possibility of Dock Connector supporting USB 3 and Thunderbolt.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

 

Actually this is all known stuff.  

 

- The cable is $30 because of the chip.

- the chip is there to identify the accessory as "genuine"

- 3rd parties *can* mass produce them (by buying a licence to do so)

Really? Where did you 'know' all this from?!

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The chip is to determine which way the plug is inserted since it can be plugged in either way.

If so, it should probably cost ¢50, no?

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