And that people still defend Android as though it isn't a stolen product is equally unfunny.
I'm not even going to tear apart the rest and make fun of how wrong you are. You're so hopelessly deluded that nothing will set you right.
So touch screens are a stolen product. Can you tell me the difference between Windows phone of the early 2000's and Android?
Ill tell you, usable touch screen.
Ill tell you what Google did. What every company does.
Hey blackberry is the most popular product on the market. Lets built android of that. What was android pre iphone. A computer operating system, with an app store, and google services.
Post iphone, google goes wow look how they did that, okay lets go all touch screen. What did android change into post iphone. Lets see a computer operating system witn an app sore and google services.
Like I said, I view the iphone transition, the same way I view, the desktop to laptop transition, nothing more.
So touch screens are a stolen product. Can you tell me the difference between Windows phone of the early 2000's and Android?
Ill tell you, usable touch screen.
Ill tell you what Google did. What every company does.
Hey blackberry is the most popular product on the market. Lets built android of that. What was android pre iphone. A computer operating system, with an app store, and google services.
Post iphone, google goes wow look how they did that, okay lets go all touch screen. What did android change into post iphone. Lets see a computer operating system witn an app sore and google services.
Like I said, I view the iphone transition, the same way I view, the desktop to laptop transition, nothing more.
You can't deny that they were profoundly inspired, stimulated and fecunded by the iPhone.
I'm so happy that I'll now be able to use streetview again on iOS!
Has it been determined whether having streetview will affect bandwidth? If it's going to eat up my data plan, don't see the point in using it. If they've figured out how to do it without killing my data plan, then it might be useful. But as it stands, I haven't had any issues with iMaps yet. All the locations I've looked up have been fairly accurate, at least as accurate as Google Maps.
Okay. No longer being built into the mobile platform with the greatest penetration across the widest variety of devices certainly doesn't matter to Google.
Google needs a large market share to thrive, Apple does not.
So it's kind of funny that you'd think they don't care about Apple's marketshare vis a vis being on Apple's platforms.
Samsung can compete with Apple on Hardware…
They've yet to, at least.
Okay. No longer being built into the mobile platform with the greatest penetration across the widest variety of devices certainly doesn't matter to Google.
So it's kind of funny that you'd think they don't care about Apple's marketshare vis a vis being on Apple's platforms.
They've yet to, at least.
Google doesnt care about Apple market share because it will never challenge that of android. plain and simple. Samsung sells more smartphones than apple, and has a top seller in premier galaxy line. Samsung can't challenge Apple on software exclusivity.
Are you slow. Being kicked out of ios hurst google, because google wants to be everywhere. You know what hurts google worst paying apple billions to stay on ios, while microsoft has Samsung, HTC, Moto, Acer, Sony bing phones being promoted by verizon, tmobile, Att ect.. Google would piss off apple 100 out of 100 times to make sure android exist.
Okay. No longer being built into the mobile platform with the greatest penetration across the widest variety of devices certainly doesn't matter to Google.
So it's kind of funny that you'd think they don't care about Apple's marketshare vis a vis being on Apple's platforms.
They've yet to, at least.
and what is your point?
Do you disagree with me that google's true competition is Microsoft and Facebook?
That samsung is not a hardware and supply chain behemoth and the only one on Apple's level regarding those things?
That yes android did follow Apple's lead with bringing well thought out touchscreens to the masses. But like many operating systems before it android has always been a computing operating system with apps.?
That exclusive hardware and software are no match for market share when challenged by inclusive software and varying hardware?
That Google needs a large market share to survive and Apple does not?
That google had to build android, and that if google had not it would be in a worst place?
Because you have yet to say anything of value.
in the U.S in the world the market share is much lower.
What do you think google would rather have?
A-Google search and google products on ios. While paying Apple to put search on there and HTC, samsung, Moto, Sony, LG in combination with verizon, Att, Sprint, ect.. pumping out Bing powered phones like candy with micorsoft services.
B- Google search and google products being an option i the app store. While HTC, Samsung, Moto, Sony, LG in combination with verizon, att, sprint, ect.. pumping out Google powered phones like candy with google services.
Ill make it easy for you. Its B. Google had to make android. Just like Apple had to make maps.
"Never challenge" in the sense that it will never be smaller than Android's? Because it's larger right now.
Are you slow. Being kicked out of ios hurst google, because google wants to be everywhere.
Oh, so you admit they do care. Because just a few seconds ago, you said they didn't care.
You know what hurts google worst paying apple billions to stay on ios…
Who paid whom, again? Do you know the actual particulars of their contract?
I explicitly and implicitly stated that, yes.
That samsung is not a hardware and supply chain behemoth and the only one on Apple's level regarding those things?
Supply chain. Not products.
That yes android did follow Apple's lead with bringing well thought out touchscreens to the masses. But like many operating systems before it android has always been a computing operating system with apps.?
That yes, Android is a stolen product and that were it not for Apple, they wouldn't have done anything differently from RIM and Windows Phone before them.
That exclusive hardware and software are no match for market share when challenged by inclusive software and varying hardware?
No, because it isn't the case.
That Google needs a large market share to survive and Apple does not?
Which explains why they have given up Flash and gone with a version of Street View that works on iDevices and only iDevices, but through the modern web, yes.
That google had to build android…
It seems like every week I'm confronted with a new statement that could possibly take the crown of "stupidest I've heard in a good, long while".
Because you have yet to say anything of value.
You've yet to say anything accurate, so I don't think I'll pay much attention to your views on my input.
"Never challenge" in the sense that it will never be smaller than Android's? Because it's larger right now.
Oh, so you admit they do care. Because just a few seconds ago, you said they didn't care.
Who paid whom, again? Do you know the actual particulars of their contract?
I explicitly and implicitly stated that, yes.
Supply chain. Not products.
That yes, Android is a stolen product and that were it not for Apple, they wouldn't have done anything differently from RIM and Windows Phone before them.
No, because it isn't the case.
Which explains why they have given up Flash and gone with a version of Street View that works on iDevices and only iDevices, but through the modern web, yes.
It seems like every week I'm confronted with a new statement that could possibly take the crown of "stupidest I've heard in a good, long while".
You've yet to say anything accurate, so I don't think I'll pay much attention to your views on my input.
I wonder what Google's world would be like without android? Lets take a look.
Its October 4th 2012.
Microsoft has 500+ million WP mobile devices in use all over. Microsoft has 50% of the US mobile search market, and 60% of the worlds mobile search market.
Google paying $1 billion+ to have Apple set as the default search engine.
Microsoft is having people set up hotmail accounts like candy on their mobile device.
Gmail is in the app store, not the default email client of ios.
Microsoft music, movies, books comes pre installed.
Google has none of that.
Microsoft had a legion of developers for thier apps.
What google developers, they have no platform.
Google angers Apple in anyway, Apple might say screw you do as I say.
Microsoft, says ill put my apps in the ios app store. Meanwhile ill let Samsung, HTC, Sony ect keep pushing my products.
So in the alternate world Google is a shell of itself.
Its not hatred its buisiness. Apple cannot let third parties dictate what features they can pay for for a major application. None of Apples apps use ads or search data for payment.
Yeah, you know this how? We have no guarantee that apple doesn't collect our search data, and sell aggregate data to the world. They were collecting our locations for how many years now? You don't think apple is mining the gold mine of data that every iOS user is giving them. All of their queries through them, every location they go to etc. And now that they have maps, you can guarantee that apple will be collecting what you search for, and when etc. And if they don't already, they'll find ways to profit off this money. There's money sitting in a pot waiting for apple to grab it. Sure it involves user privacy to some extent, but most users don't care if aggregate data about them is collected (although to be honest, I trust that google is using data in the aggregate FAR more than I trust that apple is). The ability to search for nearby businesses is not in Apple's domain of expertise, and it's likely a fools errand for apple to go chasing down this market. Especially if they limit it to only their platform. Apple's arrogance lately has really gotten to me, and I doubt I'll be buying more apple products in the future. No matter how tempting they might be. I'm only willing to compromise so much...
Phil
I'm not sure how not stealing from your competitors makes you a worse company.
Your implication that they required a mobile platform for any of what you have said or that they needed to steal from Apple to get said mobile platform is ludicrous.
So you have NO real explanation for why they did it, what they were doing, or anything else, then. You still haven't established with any credibility that they "needed" Android in the first place.
I'm not sure how not stealing from your competitors makes you a worse company.
Your implication that they required a mobile platform for any of what you have said or that they needed to steal from Apple to get said mobile platform is ludicrous.
So you have NO real explanation for why they did it, what they were doing, or anything else, then. You still haven't established with any credibility that they "needed" Android in the first place.
I told you why they did it ive been telling you. Without android, the Android open alliance turns into the Windows open Alliance. Turns into bing having 53% mobile search market share in the U.S and 60%+ world wide.
Turns into 500+ million mobile devices with bing, hotmail, bing maps, Microsoft market, microsoft music, books, magazines, music.
That is why google built android, to stop Microsoft. Think harder.
I'm not sure how not stealing from your competitors makes you a worse company.
Your implication that they required a mobile platform for any of what you have said or that they needed to steal from Apple to get said mobile platform is ludicrous.
So you have NO real explanation for why they did it, what they were doing, or anything else, then. You still haven't established with any credibility that they "needed" Android in the first place.
we disagree on stealing. Android has not changed. Android the OS is still a computing system with Apps. Unless you believe Apple owns touch screens. What are the similarities between ios and android? And how are they any different from symbian and Windows phones that came before the iphone?
Hardly.
Complete nonsense and FUD.
Turns into 500+ million mobile devices with bing, hotmail, bing maps, Microsoft market, microsoft music, books, magazines, music.
COMPLETE. NONSENSE. and FUD. What, Google's search is magically going to be supplanted by Bing? Hasn't happened. And it's NOT because of frigging Android. Not by a long shot.
That is why google built android, to stop Microsoft.
Uh. Huh…
No. Really. Not changed. Really. That's your pitch.
You've moved from only outright lies to wild speculation based in no fact or reason, and it's a lateral move at best.
WebGL has not been mature until recently
What a crock. The same compressed images that are poorly uncompressing while I pan left or right exist in their `WebGL' version as it did prior to enabling it. Let's be clear, this is the most abhorrent misuse of WebGL one can demonstrate. It's garbage.
Here is there WebGL source code. Big deal.
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This is truly sad. The bulk of the page is chalk full of hacks to Microsoft work arounds in Javascript and ActiveX. This is not impressive.
Apple" "we want to add voice navigation to maps"
Google: "Thats fair, can we name the map google Maps, and add a opt-in location service"
Apple: "No"
Google: "really you just want to use years and years and billion dollars investment without offering anything?"
Apple: "shut up, we will make our won maps"
Google: "are you sure? ios is a big market we want to stay in. But if we have to kiss your toes and hand out our valued info for free, then its goodbye, shame"
Apple: "introducing the most beautiful power maps man has ever seen. Apple maps!!"
Nokia and Google: "Really" (burst out laughing)
Apple: "Introducing Apple Maps, were sorry, it will get better, pinky promise"
Google: "this sucks, okay guys time to build an ios app, hope the approve it, ios overlords might not"
10-15-20 years later:
Apple: "google I love you"
Google: "Why did we ever fight, I love you too"
Microsoft: :"Apple, I thought we hated Google?"
Apple: "We use to hate you too, its technology things change"
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Moral of the story none of this will mater 10 years from now or even 5 years from now, stop the google hatred. All tech companies are freindnemies. No reason for rabid Apple fans to hate google or any company for that matter as far as enemies go. Google doesnt even see Apple as an enemy, google has sleepless nights about Microsoft and facebook. Apple needs to have nightmares about samsung. Google can't take Apple's bread and butter but Samsung can.
Google Hatred??? Where in my post do you see Google hatred? It was just my opinion as I just thought it was a brilliant business move on the part of Apple no hatred involved. In spite of the conjecture you posted above (years and years of investment, etc.), I was simply stating a much reported fact that Google preferred to keep the much requested (from iOS users) voice navigation exclusive to Android. It appears that Apple simply said that if you don't want to provide users with the best map experience, then you lose the position of being an Apple provided App. By doing this, I believe, that Apple put Google in the position of having to update the map app in order to compete with the other map apps in the App Store. Apple has had some short term negative press but as soon as the Google Map App comes out, all that will go away leaving iOS users with the choice of whatever map app they want to use--consumers win. Simple business decision nothing more... I agree that none of this will matter in 5 or 10 years as all the map apps will have sufficiently mature location data by that time.
I don't get it. Google has a javascript API for streetview that performs much better than that flash crap. drop that in a UIWebView and, boom. problem solved.
No sure it is better though. The desktop version has zoom and is not as distorted as the new Mobile Safari version. With Flash you have a much more robust application foundation than Javascript. Not saying Flash is perfect but one thing it is not is lacking in programmatic functionality.
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No sure it is better though. The desktop version has zoom and is not as distorted as the new Mobile Safari version. With Flash you have a much more robust application foundation than Javascript. Not saying Flash is perfect but one thing it is not is lacking in programmatic functionality.
With Flash you have a massive memory footprint for substandard performance when you really just want to write an Objective-C/Cocoa Google StreetView/Maps app in iOS natively that leverages OpenGL ES 2.x and QuartzXtreme for iOS.
After all, it is not as if Google is absent working on the LLVM/Clang project, WebKit and other notables. They somehow managed to make the most unimpressive and odd use of WebGL possible. Truly bravo!
So touch screens are a stolen product. Can you tell me the difference between Windows phone of the early 2000's and Android?
Ill tell you, usable touch screen.
Ill tell you what Google did. What every company does.
Hey blackberry is the most popular product on the market. Lets built android of that. What was android pre iphone. A computer operating system, with an app store, and google services.
Post iphone, google goes wow look how they did that, okay lets go all touch screen. What did android change into post iphone. Lets see a computer operating system witn an app sore and google services.
Like I said, I view the iphone transition, the same way I view, the desktop to laptop transition, nothing more.
For an automated response-bot, it sounds, at times, semi-coherent. The attempted understanding of the history of tech is highly imaginary.
Cheers
Not sure it is better though. The desktop version has zoom and is not as distorted as the new Mobile Safari version. With Flash you have a much more robust application foundation than Javascript. Not saying Flash is perfect but one thing it is not is lacking in programmatic functionality.
With Flash you have a massive memory footprint for substandard performance when you really just want to write an Objective-C/Cocoa Google StreetView/Maps app in iOS natively that leverages OpenGL ES 2.x and QuartzXtreme for iOS.
After all, it is not as if Google is absent working on the LLVM/Clang project, WebKit and other notables. They somehow managed to make the most unimpressive and odd use of WebGL possible. Truly bravo!
I don't disagree with your assessment, although reducing memory footprint is not always a high priority with desktop applications, however I was replying to someone who was advocating this Mobile Safari version should be applied to the standard web browser interface to eliminate Flash and also claimed it was better than the current Flash implementation which I disagree with. The OP's secondary remarks about putting this Javascript code into a UIWebVeiw for iOS is not even a valid argument since that is just a Dashcode hack and not a real iOS app solution.
Life is too short to drink bad coffee.
Life is too short to drink bad coffee.
