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post #41 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:06pm
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No, it didn’t, and still doesn't. Neither 45-degree view nor Google Earth (even with a few 3D building models tacked on) are the same as FlyOver. Google IS working on something like FlyOver, as are others. But 45 degree view and Google Earth terrain and Google's long-time “3D buildings” thing are NOT it. Those are lesser, older methods that simply can’t do the same thing. They have the word “3D” in them, but they are not the same.

 

Now, FlyOver currently does nothing for most of the Earth! Google Earth at least does something everywhere (more fun than useful, but I’m a big fan). I don’t live in one of the cities included in FlyOver so far. But FlyOver coverage is growing.

 

Who will get there first? (Truly widespread coverage of high-detail 3D—not just terrain.) Who will do it best? One or both of those will be Apple, I suspect.

Different strokes for all, but personally I don't see a particular need for either a 45 degree or "Flyover" view if you have both satellite view and Streetview available. Unless you're landing an aircraft I'm not sure what that additional view reveals that's significantly beneficial?

 

 

Get a satellite view and a street view of the Statue of Liberty -- and you will immediately see the value of FlyOver.

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post #42 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:07pm

Nothing wrong with the old picture of the Brooklyn Bridge. Looks almost the same as the new picture. Why were people complaining?

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post #43 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:13pm
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While looking around NYC in 3D mode just now I noticed they might need to fix up the FDR a little bit. There are a number of buildings that are located right on top of the highway for example.

 

Maybe you should call the UN about that and see if they'll move them.

I think the actual buildings are fine. It appears to be a problem with the 3D models in Apple Maps. I have no idea what the UN has to do with anything.

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post #44 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:20pm

They've got 3D for London, Berlin, Oslo, Barthelona, Rome... but no Paris.

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post #45 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:22pm
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I thought you guys got the message in the last article you posted about 45 degree.

IT'S NOT A NEW FEATURE!!!

IT WAS IMPLEMENTED AT LEAST A YEAR AGO IF NOT MUCH LONGER.

Yup, AI botched on this one. Google launched 45-degree imagery back in 2009 - http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/12/changing-your-perspective.html.

They also launched photogrammetric 3D (the same type used in Flyover) last summer, a few months before Apple did; although, in fairness, Apple does have more cities covered. Interestingly, the new photogrammetric 3D is only available in Google Earth on Android and iOS. The desktop versions don't have it yet. But there are some signs that Google will bring photogrammetric 3D to Maps in a future version: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/09/20/whats-really-new-in-google-maps-6-12-a-3d-button-an-experiments-section-and-more/.
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post #46 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:31pm
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I thought you guys got the message in the last article you posted about 45 degree.

 

IT'S NOT A NEW FEATURE!!!

 

YOU ARE SPINNING THIS TO MAKE FLYOVER LOOK LIKE IT'S SOME HUGE INNOVATION WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT.

 

45 DEGREE HAS BEEN OUT FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, IF NOT MORE

IT WAS SPECULATED TO COMPETE WITH BING'S "BIRD'S EYE VIEW".  IT WAS IMPLEMENTED AT LEAST A YEAR AGO IF NOT MUCH LONGER.

 

NOT FOR IOS IT WASN'T WHICH IS WHY GOOGLE HAD TO GO.

 

IS CAPSLOCK ALSO A NEW FEATURE?

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post #47 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:40pm
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I think the actual buildings are fine. It appears to be a problem with the 3D models in Apple Maps. I have no idea what the UN has to do with anything.

 

Part of the UN complex is actually built over the FDR.

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post #48 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:41pm
Once I sprout wings this should become very useful.

Looking forward to a StreeView be it Apple or Google- whoever brings it first.
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post #49 of 100
10/5/12 at 2:56pm
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I think the actual buildings are fine. It appears to be a problem with the 3D models in Apple Maps. I have no idea what the UN has to do with anything.

 

Part of the UN complex is actually built over the FDR.

Thanks for the clarification. I see that now. I assumed that there was a problem with the geometry since the highway appeared to be going up the sides of the buildings. But that is apparently one of the those anomalies like we saw before with roads going under some bridges.

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post #50 of 100
10/5/12 at 3:03pm
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Once I sprout wings this should become very useful.

 

Or once you get a frigging clue.

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post #51 of 100
10/5/12 at 3:10pm
Apple now also has custom icons for landmarks. When you are in 2D map mode and look at the Statue of Liberty, there's actually a small icon resembling the Statue of Liberty next to it. The NYSE also has an icon showing the building.
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post #52 of 100
10/5/12 at 3:14pm
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It's still messed up for me, and it's not cached, at least on my phone, since I have not visited that area before.
All it is is a satellite view mapped onto the height field data (which does show how crude the height field data really is)

 

No, it's low altitude flyover photography from multiple angles coupled with very high resolution elevation data  and C3's proprietary mapping algorithms.  They were claiming 6" resolution before Apple acquired them, looks like there's further tweaking to be done to hit that mark-- but my guess is that Flyover images are going to improve markedly over the next year, without the user having to do anything.

 

In general, while the Maps debacle is a black eye for Apple short term, by this time next year it has the potential to be a real selling point.

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post #53 of 100
10/5/12 at 3:16pm
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I'm not suggesting Apple buy Google. I'm suggesting they buy their own fleet of aerial vehicles that could be dispatched regularly to acquire the high-resolution LIDAR data they need to create the nifty FlyOver map views.

They may not be able to buy Google (not that I think Google will let Apple anyway) but they have more than enough cash to buy Nokia / Navteq.  Nokia is hurting financially and their market cap is quite low but their mapping technology and IP is top notch. Apple could buy them without batting an eye lash. Last I checked Nokia has a market cap of approximately $10 billion.  Even if Apple made them an offer of $20 billion and seeing that MS uses Navteq as their back-end for Bing Maps / location services, Apple could sign a 10-year deal with MS allowing MS to use Navteq technology.  With $120 billion in the bank this definitely doable & Apple could use all the help they could get.

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post #54 of 100
10/5/12 at 3:32pm
The Brooklyn Bridge is still quite messed up in the above picture. The suspension cables are all missing and the pedestrian level has been crushed onto the motorway. Glad I came home over the Manhattan!
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post #55 of 100
10/5/12 at 4:17pm

Apple (and most of the Apple press) is not emphasizing one big advantage that Maps has over Google Maps: the size of the data downloads.

 

The one report I did see pointed out that Google's raster downloads are at least several multiples (more as I remember) larger than Apple's vectorized ones.  This is $$ in the pockets of folk who run over their data caps, and faster (especially in non 4G areas or on non 4G phones) as well.  

 

Seems something worth getting into people's heads and blunting the "Maps sucks" meme....

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post #56 of 100
10/5/12 at 4:24pm
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Interestingly, I typed "Statue of Liberty" into Maps and got... no results. They need to make sure national monuments, at the very least, yield some kind of result.

Same with Hover Dam. It finds me a location in UK not in NV as I would expect as I live in CA
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post #57 of 100
10/5/12 at 4:31pm
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Same with Hover Dam. It finds me a location in UK not in NV as I would expect as I live in CA

 

Isn't it the "Hoover" dam, named after one of your presidents?

 

I even know that and I'm Australian.

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post #58 of 100
10/5/12 at 5:19pm
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Hear, Hear!

 

Thanks. I hope he gets the message. :D

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post #59 of 100
10/5/12 at 5:29pm
Google should have played this one smarter. Although Apple is getting criticism in the short run, it won't last long. Many people thought Apple was greedy for playing company politics and ousting Google Maps - because Apple is more interested in hurting their direct competitor than benefiting the consumer. But, Apple booted Google Maps because they were crippling iOS. Intentionally leaving out features that users not only wanted, but needed to stay up-to date - namely turn by turn GPS, and vector maps. Google thought they could push Apple down, and market GPS on their phones as a selling point, and what did they get? They just got thrown out of 100 million iOS devices - that much less data for them to get their precious advertising revenue. Sorry Google!
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post #60 of 100
10/5/12 at 5:35pm
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No, it didn’t, and still doesn't. Neither 45-degree view nor Google Earth (even with a few 3D building models tacked on) are the same as FlyOver. Google IS working on something like FlyOver, as are others. But 45 degree view and Google Earth terrain and Google's long-time “3D buildings” thing are NOT it. Those are lesser, older methods that simply can’t do the same thing. They have the word “3D” in them, but they are not the same.

Now, FlyOver currently does nothing for most of the Earth! Google Earth at least does something everywhere (more fun than useful, but I’m a big fan). I don’t live in one of the cities included in FlyOver so far. But FlyOver coverage is growing.

Who will get there first? (Truly widespread coverage of high-detail 3D—not just terrain.) Who will do it best? One or both of those will be Apple, I suspect.

For clarification, Apple Maps 3D is available globally; however, 3D Flyover is available only for specific cities and often not the entire metropolitan statistical area for said cities.

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Google should have played this one smarter. Although Apple is getting criticism in the short run, it won't last long. Many people thought Apple was greedy for playing company politics and ousting Google Maps - because Apple is more interested in hurting their direct competitor than benefiting the consumer. But, Apple booted Google Maps because they were crippling iOS. Intentionally leaving out features that users not only wanted, but needed to stay up-to date - namely turn by turn GPS, and vector maps. Google thought they could push Apple down, and market GPS on their phones as a selling point, and what did they get? They just got thrown out of 100 million iOS devices - that much less data for them to get their precious advertising revenue. Sorry Google!


Actually, Google Maps has been "thrown out" of more than 240 million iOS devices as of 30 September 2012 according to Chitika Insights. (1) My guess is that the loss of USD $2 bn annually (and growing) will hurt Google considerably if not substantially.

1. No author provided. Published 2 October 2012. 60% of iPhones on iOS 6, iPad and iPod Touch Close Behind. Chitika Insights. Retrieved 5 October 2012.
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post #61 of 100
10/5/12 at 5:38pm
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Also, Google Earth had 3D Flyover technology many years ago...

"many years ago"?

Multiples of 1 is "many"?

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post #62 of 100
10/5/12 at 5:50pm
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"many years ago"?
Multiples of 1 is "many"?

Don't give him that much credit. Google announced their "next dimension" of Maps on 6 June 2012. (1)

1. No author provided. Published 6 June 2012. Google unveils new 3D maps coming to iOS and Android. Apple Insider. Retrieved 5 October 2012.
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post #63 of 100
10/5/12 at 5:53pm

Actually, you are on to a pretty good idea. That would be a pretty cool way to also replicate part of what Street View offered. Making map corrections could earn an app store user credit worth something like a dime for suggestions actually implemented. A game could be made out of it using leader boards and Game Center

 

The Oxford English Dictionary was largely assembled from word submissions from thousands of volunteers. I think Apple also made a mistake not putting the maps on  the Mac. I would use my computer and look for corrections such as fixing improper business listings. 

 

I recently fired up Nokia Maps and notice several errors in my area concerning businesses that haven't existed in the area in years. So, Apple isn't alone in lacking information. 

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post #64 of 100
10/5/12 at 6:00pm

To be fair, Nokia launched it years ago. 

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post #65 of 100
10/5/12 at 6:46pm
I like Maps.
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post #66 of 100
10/5/12 at 8:13pm
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Google should have played this one smarter. Although Apple is getting criticism in the short run, it won't last long. Many people thought Apple was greedy for playing company politics and ousting Google Maps - because Apple is more interested in hurting their direct competitor than benefiting the consumer. But, Apple booted Google Maps because they were crippling iOS. Intentionally leaving out features that users not only wanted, but needed to stay up-to date - namely turn by turn GPS, and vector maps. Google thought they could push Apple down, and market GPS on their phones as a selling point, and what did they get? They just got thrown out of 100 million iOS devices - that much less data for them to get their precious advertising revenue. Sorry Google!

The most surprising thing about losing 100 millions pairs of eyeballs their share price shot up like a rocket, I wonder which of the big boys are manipulating their share price. 

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post #67 of 100
10/5/12 at 9:02pm
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The most surprising thing about losing 100 millions pairs of eyeballs their share price shot up like a rocket, I wonder which of the big boys are manipulating their share price. 

 

 

Perhaps the thinking is Android will get even bigger or its iOS app more popular? Honestly though, if you look at the user reviews on most Google iOs apps they stink. I use my old gmail account strictly as a junk mail account now. I like Bing better for search 80 percent of the time. I rarely use Google anymore at all. 

 

As long as Apple can keep selling tons of hardware, removing Google from iOS devices as the default will hurt Google. Moreover, companies like Amazon using its own flavor of Android are not helping Google at all even though their numbers get included with Android tablet sales (seems unfair). 

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post #68 of 100
10/5/12 at 9:07pm
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I like Maps.

 

 

I do too. I have been playing with several apps over the last few days, and they all have kinks with data. In my area, Nokia maps has some outdated business information, as does Google. 

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post #69 of 100
10/5/12 at 10:01pm

Apple maps is good in Australia, this is a famous racetrack which is celebrating it's 50th anniversary, this weekend:-

 

If you like watching cars going around, check how we do it, none of this four banked curves in an oval, our cars go up a mountain and down again, hitting 190 mph down the main straight.

 

 

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10/5/12 at 11:17pm
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I do too. I have been playing with several apps over the last few days, and they all have kinks with data. In my area, Nokia maps has some outdated business information, as does Google. 

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I like Maps.

Err- and why wouldn't you? Nokia and especially google- maps- so inferior.
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post #71 of 100
10/5/12 at 11:32pm
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Or once you get a frigging clue.

Not at all. In Manhattan is doesn't work.- the buildings are too tall and the streets too dense. Pure gimmick.
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post #72 of 100
10/5/12 at 11:34pm
Remind me when it's out of beta so I can use it.
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post #73 of 100
10/5/12 at 11:45pm
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Once I sprout wings this should become very useful.

Looking forward to a StreeView be it Apple or Google- whoever brings it first.

 

Can you give us an estimation of how much time you've spent, and posts you've made solely bitching about how useless flyover is? And then, can you consider for a few moments how fucking pathetic that is? Go reassess your life. God knows why you've haven't been banned yet. Many of us love flyover, and think it's useful. Nothing has given me a better overall sense of general city and neighborhood layouts. It's the closest and most seamless thing to reality- yes, more seamless than clicking through photographs taken at a single angle. And it will only get better, more detailed, more accurate, and more expansive. Eventually we'll have the whole world rendered in 3D. Maybe you don't see the value of that, but many of us do. There's no need to parrot the same fucking thing a million times in a million threads, as if your opinion is the only thing that matters. Why don't you just shut the **** up about it, and not use it? You're not forced to, it simply enhances the satellite view. God forbid you actually spend time discussing shit you like and care about- which I have yet to see from you on this board. Again, you should have been banned ages ago- your only goal is to shit on every thread you enter. 


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post #74 of 100
10/6/12 at 12:42am

I can search for "statue of liberty", "liberty statue", "freiheitsstatue" (German) just fine and it brings me to the correct location. The same goes for "hoover dam", "hover dam", "hoover damm" or "hoover staudamm" (both German) and they all bring me to Hoover Dam.

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post #75 of 100
10/6/12 at 4:28am
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They've got 3D for London, Berlin, Oslo, Barthelona, Rome... but no Paris.

*Barcelona

And yes, the function is really cool to discover cities.
Unfortunately, Paris is a no-flight zone, so maybe that explains why it hasn't flyover yet.
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post #76 of 100
10/6/12 at 4:29am
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Apple (and most of the Apple press) is not emphasizing one big advantage that Maps has over Google Maps: the size of the data downloads.

The one report I did see pointed out that Google's raster downloads are at least several multiples (more as I remember) larger than Apple's vectorized ones.  This is $$ in the pockets of folk who run over their data caps, and faster (especially in non 4G areas or on non 4G phones) as well.  

Seems something worth getting into people's heads and blunting the "Maps sucks" meme....

Again, vector maps have existed on android for more than two years, nothing new here.
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post #77 of 100
10/6/12 at 4:38am
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Can you give us an estimation of how much time you've spent, and posts you've made solely bitching about how useless flyover is? And then, can you consider for a few moments how fucking pathetic that is? Go reassess your life. God knows why you've haven't been banned yet. ...

 

tekstud has been banned many times, but he keeps coming back under new names.

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10/6/12 at 4:47am
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tekstud has been banned many times, but he keeps coming back under new names.

I'm beginning to believe that people like this doesn't have friends in real life.

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post #79 of 100
10/6/12 at 6:34am
Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post
Not at all. In Manhattan is doesn't work.- the buildings are too tall and the streets too dense.

 

That certainly explains why it DOES WORK in Manhattan, then, now doesn't it?

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post #80 of 100
10/6/12 at 9:12am
I like Flyover, but I hate that it stops a maddening two miles from my home. Hurry up and finish all of Chicago, or I'm going o get Jesse Jackson Sr. to kick your ass!!
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