Originally Posted by Bergermeister
The current iMac is fantastic. I have two, one to work on, the other to help out with rendering jobs. Don't want the display on the 2nd, though, and would love a slightly more compact body, something easy to put on a shelf. Again, I don't want the display glowing the whole time.
So, I guess I'm all for a headless iMac. If it was slightly more powerful and had a better graphics card, even better, but size matters.
The current iMac (the top end one) is fantastic. i7. Solid GPU with 2 Gig vram. BUT, it's out of date. Long time passing.
In no way can you call it a joke. ...and with a beautiful 27 inch monitor. The entry pro? Yes. A joke. A pish take on price and specs and value. The mini's pricing? A joke (irony, no kb or mouse or monitor for that price...). Sure. But the iMac has been the reigning champ of AiOs for years. I couldn't say it was poorly engineered. But if you want to access it for HD failure. Sure. That's a valid complaint. If you want to upgrade the GPU? It's a valid complaint. If you want a mid range machine without a monitor glued on...I guess you can complain about that.
But that's what Apple offers. 2 years is a long time in the computer industry. Can the iMac design be moved on? I think so. Mine does get hot. But what AiO won't when you push it on a hot summers day in an Attic...? Playing games or rendering? Apple's iMac used to be an entry machine. Now it's prosumer mid range power. (in the context of Apple land.) It's not a tinker box. But those people are in the minority. And I don't expect Apple to offer any tinker boxes short of 2k. Nothing they've done in the last ten years suggests they will.
Expect things to get locked down, glued...and thinner. Those new iMacs will look good in the stores.
You could argue that the desktop line is a joke. It hasn't been updated in years if it's a Mac Pro. *(Bloody shame, that...) and the iMac is getting on for two years. The mini has been ages with out an update. When we had PPC, we knew why the updates were slow. But now Apple has plenty of choice for cpus and gpus.
Desktop sales will slow if you don't update them. :P
iMac is Apple's mid range machine. It is capable. ...in the context of what APPLE OFFERS. However...there's a caveat to that.
...if you're looking for the PC side for a comparison of affordable power it will drive you insane. Apple's desktops are comparatively poor value for money. Head on over to any average PC builder and you can put together a machine that will smash the pro, iMac or Mini for less money. It's not even a contest. AND HOW COULD IT BE WHEN Apple's desktops haven't been updates in years? (May as well round it up. We're there for the pro, and about there for the iMac and mini.) Now, the apparent neglect or contempt for the desktop is a 'joke'. Though the actually machines may not be. If the Pro, iMac and Mini were updated they wouldn't be considered jokes. But their specs might considered an out of date 'joke' or their prices a 'JOKE!' for such outdated tech. (and it is.)
But the i7 should be standard in machines over a grand by now. It can certainly kick around an entry mac pro which looks poor, poor value by comparison.
It's a prosumer to pro machine. The days of iMacs struggling to do photoshop, video or other demanding 3D rendering tasks are over. Games too.
Hopefully the top end iMac's power will be democratised into the rest of the line up to a degree with the new iVy Bridge update.
As for the Mini. A nice little machine when it was priced below £500. But add a crap dedicated gpu option and it's ridiculously pricey with no keyboard, mouse or monitor.
Even if we got the Pro, imac and mini of our dreams...could Apple get sales of even 2 million for the lot worth the R&D?
I'm sure we'll get updates to them all in time. But don't expect Pro sales to rebound past 100k. (Not at the insane prices apple charges...) Don't expect the iMac to bound much beyond 1 million. Don't expect the mini to get more than 200k-ish. (It's poor value.)
Haswell may well help the mini's power. 'Knight' may help the Pro be baptised... A retina iMac with Haswell may offer a cool running and sharp looking pro/prosumer rig.
But I don't see the tide of any improvements making a dint on the tide of laptop sales for APple given that they pioneered the move away from Laptops. It's been done by design and you can see Apple's effort right there in the Air and the Macbook Pro...and the iPads...and iPhones...and iPods...(Given more love than desktop macs...)
I'm a desktop guy. But what a desktop 'is' or 'isn't' has changed. Overall mac sales have dipped. We're in a double dip world recession despite what the minority owned western press are or aren't telling us. Apple only grew it's pie relative to a shrinking market. ie Apple's sales fell a bit too?
Laptop sales of 4:1. Ipads putting the boot into desktop and laptop pc sales. I even had one friend who wants to sell her Air for an iPad.
That's the way the wind is blowing.
I guess I wouldn't care what the box looks like. I'm not bothered about getting inside a machine as long as it's capable. A decent gpu and cpu relative to the market...and I'm happy. Whether that is pro, iMac or Mini. But I'm not being but rubbed for Apple's insane pricing either.
I think I'd prefer to buy used all things considered. eg an iMac bundled with photoshop and save several hundred. Some deals get you Apple care all the same. vs Being rhubarbed for a new Apple desktop with any notable power.
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