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post #1 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:21pm
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Google and Samsung are allegedly developing a 10.1-inch tablet aimed squarely at Apple's ubiquitous iPad, with the co-branded device being the internet search giant's first foray into the high-end tablet market.

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NPD DisplaySearch analyst Richard Shim told CNET that one of the standout features of the purported Google/Samsung collaboration will be a 2,560-by-1,600-pixel display, which boasts a pixel density of about 299 pixels per inch. In comparison, the third-generation iPad carries a 9.7-inch 2,048-by-1,536 pixel Retina display that tops out at 264 PPI.

Shim goes on to say that the co-branded tablet will come with a price tag befitting the bumped specs, unlike Google's current Asus-built Nexus 7.

"It's going to be a high-end device," Shim said, citing "supply chain indications."

As a side note, Shim reiterated a previous rumor that Google will start production on a $99 tablet in December, though no specifics were offered regarding screen size or manufacturer.

Word of Google's rumored entry into the high-end tablet sector comes on the eve of what many expect to be Apple's own move into a different market segment. It is widely thought that the iPad maker will try to extend its market domination downward with a low-cost 7.85-inch tablet many have taken to calling the "iPad mini."

A report earlier on Monday from The Wall Street Journal said Apple's Asian supply chain has taken orders for over 10 million iPad minis to be built over the course of the fourth quarter, which could push total iPad sales over 30 million units for the holiday shopping season.
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post #2 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:27pm
omg more megapixelz must be better!
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post #3 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:33pm

2560x1600? So a 16:10 tablet? Why can't we have 16x10 back where it belongs: on computer monitors!

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post #4 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:35pm
A higher resolution and higher PPI means nothing if you don't have the SW that runs smoothly on it. Even with Butter I highly doubt Google Android can power such a display smoothly.

I wonder what the Samsung fans will say when they find out it's LCD and not AMOLED.

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post #5 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:42pm
But will it have a kickstand and keyboard cover (with "click" functionality)?

Seriously though, by the time this thing actually ships, it will be just in time for March when the 'even newer' new iPad will come out and crush it. Oh and by the way, very few people will be willing to pay a higher price for any non iPad tablet, so it is dead on arrival regardless.
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post #6 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:44pm
Spec numbers! That%u2019ll be just the thing to offset the relative lack of top-quality tablet apps.

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post #7 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:44pm

ha! ha!

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post #8 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:46pm
With Google's previous success in hardware, and Samsung's previous success in 'innovative' software design, how could this fail?

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post #9 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:48pm
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But will it have a kickstand and keyboard cover (with "click" functionality)?
Seriously though, by the time this thing actually ships, it will be just in time for March when the 'even newer' new iPad will come out and crush it. Oh and by the way, very few people will be willing to pay a higher price for any non iPad tablet, so it is dead on arrival regardless.

In 2013 an ARM Cortex-A15 with an Img Tech Rogue GPU all at 32nm on a tablet with the display specs mentioned and reasonable battery life, size and weight will be feasible. I have no doubt this rumour is at least partially true in regards to the display resolution but it'll be too little too late. Apple's iPad (3) has a resolution that is plenty high enough so moving forward Apple will simply have a thinner, lighter, and faster iPad over the competition and no "we have higher resolution" spec sheet claim is going to convince anyone reasonable to buy their device.

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post #10 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:49pm
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With Google's previous success in hardware, and Samsung's previous success in 'innovative' software design, how could this fail?

I don't know. Samsung has been able to convince millions to buy a 5" phablet as there primary phone.

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post #11 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:49pm

Take a ticket - another iPad killer is on the horizon.

My household is now Microsoft-free, except for son's Windows 7 Netbook (high school mandatory equipment). And we are all very happy, except for my son.

Funny, but students in the lower grades will be allowed iPads to school, which is good news.

Once my son finishes high school we both intend to take his Netbook together with a large axe to the nearest field to give it some tender loving care, think Office Space.

As for Android phones/tablets, I would rather dip my arms in 16M concentrated Sulphuric Acid.

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post #12 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:51pm
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…son's Windows 7 Netbook (high school mandatory equipment).

 

If it's a Dell Mini 10, install OS X on it. lol.gif When they try to give your son detention for messing with school equipment, take the blame and say, "I refuse to have my child using something that isn't secure. Now it is. You're welcome."


As for Android phones/tablets, I would rather dip my arms in 16M concentrated Sulphuric Acid.

 

You should think about getting some of that for the netbook.

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post #13 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:54pm
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I don't know. Samsung has been able to convince millions to buy a 5" phablet as there primary phone.

 

And I'm jealous.  I'd like a screen that big.  I just don't want an Android device.  Despite all the things I hate about iOS, it's still the lesser of two evils.


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post #14 of 86
10/8/12 at 8:56pm
Galaxy note nexus tab 3 10.1???

Galaxy tab note nexus 3 10.1???

Nexus galaxy note tab 3 10.1???

So what will be different this time around apart from some minor updates of previous failures.

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post #15 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:00pm

I'll buy that for $1B! lol.gif

This rumor just reeks of innovation.

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post #16 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:05pm

There are barely any android apps for the tablet resolutions they have now. What makes them think anybody is going to bother developing for this one? They're probably going off the same hubris that led schmitty-the-mole to declare that most TVs would have google tv in them by now. If it wasn't for the anti-apple market, these ridiculous attempts to ride apples coattails would be even more of a joke. 

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post #17 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:13pm
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I don't know. Samsung has been able to convince millions to buy a 5" phablet as there primary phone.

Millions of users or millions of units to carrier stores by carriers desperate for "anything but an iPhone"? No one knows since Samsung counts channel stuffing as "sales"...
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post #18 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:19pm
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I'll buy that for $1B! lol.gif
This rumor just reeks of innovation.
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Somebody spent $12.5 billion to not use Motorola design and manufacturing for tablets. Not saying who, just saying it happened.
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post #19 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:20pm

I honestly think this is a very good thing.  I know there may be or will be copyright issues but competition is good.

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post #20 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:21pm
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Millions of users or millions of units to carrier stores by carriers desperate for "anything but an iPhone"? No one knows since Samsung counts channel stuffing as "sales"...

Surely the numbers aren't as high as the channel stuffing numbers would indicate but by anecdotal accounts the Galaxy Note does appear to be selling well for what I think is a Frankenstein monster of a device.

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post #21 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:33pm
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A higher resolution and higher PPI means nothing if you don't have the SW that runs smoothly on it. Even with Butter I highly doubt Google Android can power such a display smoothly.
I wonder what the Samsung fans will say when they find out it's LCD and not AMOLED.

 

I think it's a given it will be a Snapdragon S4 Pro which is a pretty fast SoC. It's similar to an A6 performance-wise, and that's the problem. By next year it's almost guaranteed the iPad 4 will have Apple's custom ARM processor (maybe even quad core) coupled with PowerVR 6xx which will make it the performance king once again.

 

Android's problem is that it will never perform as good as iOS - it's just not as efficient. An Android device will always require a more powerful SoC and increased RAM to give similar performance. The fandroids like to talk specs (and especially RAM) but they keep forgetting that they're starting at a disadvantage by running a less-efficient OS.

 

I like to think in terms of cars. HP=CPU, torque=GPU, cylinders=cores, vehicle=OS.

 

The GS3 has 400 HP and 400 lb/ft of torque coming from a V8 engine.

The iPhone 5 has 360 HP and 1,000 lb/ft of torque coming from an I4 engine.

 

The iPhone 5 gives up a little in HP, but kills in torque which is what really helps in daily driving. And it does it with a smaller engine that consumes less fuel and takes up less space.

 

But what really kills is the operating system. The GS3 is a 4,000lb car while the iPhone 5 is a 2,600lb tube frame race chassis. This is why the iPhone 5 kills in application benchmarks (real world use) even though it's slightly slower in pure synthetic benchmarks (GeekBench, which only considers engine HP and doesn't account for engine torque or the weight of the car).

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post #22 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:36pm
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I honestly think this is a very good thing.  I know there may be or will be copyright issues but competition is good.

 

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post #23 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:44pm
I can honestly say I've never used an iPad, or an Android tablet for that matter, other than a couple minutes at the local Best Buy or Future Shop. Obviously I can't say which offers a better experience. However I have owned both iPhone and Android phone and I don't believe they differ all that much from their larger form siblings other than phone capabilities and screen size difference. I do feel the Android software probably would be better suited in a tablet than iOS but for me I probably would still prefer an iPad because it just, like most apple products, just doesn't look or feel cheap like that of most Android products and I just prefer iOS. Just my opinion on that.
What baffles me though is there seem to be an endless amount of Apple haters, who happen to be Android bum buddies, and obviously Android outsells iPhone for obvious reasons(variety of cheap phones, flooded market of Android phones, and available on every network). So how is it that the iPad outsells Android tablets by a wide margin. Are the Android faithfuls not buying tablets or are they secretly buying iPads.
I do have a theory on it though but not really sure it's the reason. My theory is that the multitude of Apple haters are not really that many but the small amount of them just go from forum to forum posting as they do. Most are also little 14 year old's who's Mom bought them their brand spanking new, 2012 model, state of the art Android phone with the new Android os 2.2 (with an unheard of option to get upgraded to ICS 4.0 in 3 years....maybe), for free with a contract and won't buy them a tablet because it's too expensive.
That or all the Android users feel they have a 5 inch phone, so no need for a tablet.
As ridiculous as those theories sound I do feel like there is some truth to them. Would be interesting to understand why the iPad outsells Android tablets the way it does.
I do also remember reading that competitors can not seem to match the value of the iPad. That may not be the case anymore or is it.
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post #24 of 86
10/8/12 at 9:50pm

Team android.

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10/8/12 at 9:58pm
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Team android.

 

This ain't no teen-girl-and-spinster-mom movie franchise, Sammy. There's only one right answer.

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post #26 of 86
10/8/12 at 10:00pm
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Millions of users or millions of units to carrier stores by carriers desperate for "anything but an iPhone"? No one knows since Samsung counts channel stuffing as "sales".

 

It's not only the carriers but the Franchise owners as well.  My brother's brother in law is part owner of a sprint store in Michigan and he complains all the time about how iPhone is hurting his business.  He tries desperately to persuade customers who come into his store to buy an Android device instead of an iPhone.  Really amazes me that a device which has so many factors against it can consistently sell through so many units.  For someone like me who knows enough about tech it wouldn't work.  If I go into a sprint store with the notion to buy an iPhone, a sales rep couldn't talk me into another device because I would be able to see past the BS.  Imagine though the clueless people, or isheep as Android users (the real sheep) like to call them, only know the iPhone and are set to buy one, only to be talked into an Android phone.  Imagine how many sales are lost for Apple that way.  This has been happening for a long time and everywhere.  I wonder how long Apple can sustain this though.  Eventually this has got to start hurting them. 

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post #27 of 86
10/8/12 at 10:12pm
Bottom feeders.

I deal with them every day.

"I'll sell you something bester for lesser."

But here is the ugly truth: unless Apple continues to innovate and give us the Next, the bottom feeders will win, because most of the world are bottom feeders too, disconnected from the refined and evolved possibilities of humanity.

People lament Steve. I too wish he were still alive.

But we still have Jony.

So we have more than hope.

We have a Visionary.

With billions and billions of dollars behind his visions.
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10/8/12 at 10:27pm
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In 2013 an ARM Cortex-A15 with an Img Tech Rogue GPU all at 32nm on a tablet with the display specs mentioned and reasonable battery life, size and weight will be feasible. I have no doubt this rumour is at least partially true in regards to the display resolution but it'll be too little too late. Apple's iPad (3) has a resolution that is plenty high enough so moving forward Apple will simply have a thinner, lighter, and faster iPad over the competition and no "we have higher resolution" spec sheet claim is going to convince anyone reasonable to buy their device.

I don't for one second believe that Samsung will ship a true 299 ppi tablet. Samsung doesn't even ship a true 299 ppi smartphone. The Samsung Note II has a 3 sub-pixel per pixel arrangement (although not RGB) and has a ppi of only 217. I can't imagine Samsung can suddenly manufacture a true 299 ppi (RGB sub-pixel arrangement) tablet with a much larger screen than the Samsung Note II. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus is probably the highest ppi screen Samsung has shipped at an astonishing 316 ppi until you realize that the sub-pixel arrangement is RGBG. *

Samsung may use a octo-core (eight-core) CPU with a sexdeca-core (sixteen-core) GPU so Google can tout the "buttery smooth" user interface. Samsung may also use their patented Super Wi-Fi Plus to ensure lackluster wireless connectivity. As many of Samsung products are known to do, we can predict overheating and explosions with the Super Lithium Ion Plus battery which will last at least 2 hours with infrequent use.


* I am certain you know this but I feel compelled to create awareness of how Samsung treats their customers by duping them into believing vastly inferior technology is somehow even close to a proper 326 ppi IPS LCD display with 99% sRGB Color Gamut standard accuracy.
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10/8/12 at 10:33pm
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Does a link-up between Samescum and "Don't be evil" Google sound like a marriage made in heaven? Just asking  ;~)

Well there needs to be some sort of competition.  We can't have one brand only in the whole world making tablets and smart phones.  Really.  It's gonna happen sooner of later.  I think it makes Apple stay on top of things.  Reinvent itself again like it did so many times.  The only difference is Jobs not being apart of it.  Lets hope that Apple's existing group of designers can stay ahead of the curve.  I mean its a brutal battle ground.  Constantly making and developing products to quench the enemy's missiles of "our better products than Apple".  It is gonna happen.  The rest of the industry is gonna try and take Apple down.  The competition is gonna make something to hurt Apple, and Apple needs that.  It rally's the troops and makes them do better or come up with more innovative products we never knew we needed like the real smart phone with a finger stylus.  Who knew?  

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post #30 of 86
10/8/12 at 10:38pm
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10/8/12 at 10:43pm
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I can honestly say I've never used an iPad, or an Android tablet for that matter, other than a couple minutes at the local Best Buy or Future Shop. Obviously I can't say which offers a better experience. However I have owned both iPhone and Android phone and I don't believe they differ all that much from their larger form siblings other than phone capabilities and screen size difference. I do feel the Android software probably would be better suited in a tablet than iOS but for me I probably would still prefer an iPad because it just, like most apple products, just doesn't look or feel cheap like that of most Android products and I just prefer iOS. Just my opinion on that.
What baffles me though is there seem to be an endless amount of Apple haters, who happen to be Android bum buddies, and obviously Android outsells iPhone for obvious reasons(variety of cheap phones, flooded market of Android phones, and available on every network). So how is it that the iPad outsells Android tablets by a wide margin. Are the Android faithfuls not buying tablets or are they secretly buying iPads.
I do have a theory on it though but not really sure it's the reason. My theory is that the multitude of Apple haters are not really that many but the small amount of them just go from forum to forum posting as they do. Most are also little 14 year old's who's Mom bought them their brand spanking new, 2012 model, state of the art Android phone with the new Android os 2.2 (with an unheard of option to get upgraded to ICS 4.0 in 3 years....maybe), for free with a contract and won't buy them a tablet because it's too expensive.
That or all the Android users feel they have a 5 inch phone, so no need for a tablet.
As ridiculous as those theories sound I do feel like there is some truth to them. Would be interesting to understand why the iPad outsells Android tablets the way it does.
I do also remember reading that competitors can not seem to match the value of the iPad. That may not be the case anymore or is it.

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post #32 of 86
10/8/12 at 10:53pm
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Bottom feeders.
I deal with them every day.
"I'll sell you something bester for lesser."
But here is the ugly truth: unless Apple continues to innovate and give us the Next, the bottom feeders will win, because most of the world are bottom feeders too, disconnected from the refined and evolved possibilities of humanity.
People lament Steve. I too wish he were still alive.
But we still have Jony.
So we have more than hope.
We have a Visionary.
With billions and billions of dollars behind his visions.


We don't know yet that it's gonna be a lesser product that an iPad.  In fact the specs of the iPhone 5 are less than most flagship phones out now.  Not that it matters because it's much more efficient and that is the beauty of Apple products.  They don't always have the latest, but usually pointless, gimmicks and technology to claim *cough* *cough* NFC, widgets, removable battery, customization of keyboards (none feel as intuitive as stock ios keyboard) but they just deliver a well built product. 

 

Innovation has gotten to be a gimmick as well.  Innovation is what Apple did with the iPhone.  The fact that every phone manufacturer has since and soon will be releasing a product that is in some way is a copy of what the iPhone is, paired with a operating system that behaves much like iOS with their own spin on it proves that.  Since, Apple has incrementally updated the idea and that I don't mind one bit as I don't see what would be so innovative to do that these devices are missing. 

 

To say Samsung Galaxy s3 is innovative because it has things like s beam, and S voice, which GS3 owners and Samsung lovers talk highly of only months after bashing Siri for being a gimmick, and my personal favorite which I cant even believe is a feature to brag about, palm swipe to take a screen shot.  Who the hell thinks pressing a power button and home button is that difficult that you need to swipe your palm across which never works on the first try.  Some stuff is handy like the going from a text to a call by moving the phone up to your ear but it isn't innovative.  It's just a neat software feature. 

 

What I'd like to see Samsung try and do with the GS4 instead of features like place your forehead on the screen to to dim the brightness and call it innovative is to improve the camera so it doesn't suck compared to most other flagship phones, maybe get good battery life without using a massive battery.  Maybe Google can try to make Android more efficient and less buggy.  That is much more innovative than stupid ass features that people jump on and think make it the greatest phone/tablet. 

 

Even though I'm pretty sure this tablet will compete with iPad in every way as far as specs go, I doubt the build quality will be on par and Project butter does not make Android all that much better.  Not on my phone anyway, which I had to root and do all that mumbo jumbo too, which by the way is not simple at all to do as most Android users like to claim it is as a way to refute the problem of no official updates to their phones.  Oh and they also never mention all the issues with flashing a newest Jelly Bean Rom such as, in my case, no video camera working, screen light that doesn't dim, apps that use to work and don't work properly now, Screen flickering weird images when going in and out of apps and locking and unlocking screen, Apps leaving images on the screen when being moved and not being around on the screen and being unable to make the image go away.  It varies from device to device but these are issues that they always seem to forget mentioning when talking about how customizable their phones are and are easily updated with custom roms. 

 

I still think this tablet will be descent for most people and will sell successfully but won't really put much of a dent into iPad sales.  Especially since iPad 4 will be on the horizon. 

 

On a side note, I should start buying stock in camping equipment making companies just before Apple product releases.  Bet Sales usually spike weeks before. 

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10/8/12 at 10:56pm
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In fact the specs of the iPhone 5 are less than most flagship phones out now.

No it's not.

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10/8/12 at 11:04pm
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Millions of users or millions of units to carrier stores by carriers desperate for "anything but an iPhone"? No one knows since Samsung counts channel stuffing as "sales"...

Channel stuffing can only get you so far though, you eventually have to pay the piper. It's an expensive way to shift numbers between quarters.
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10/8/12 at 11:04pm
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In 2013 an ARM Cortex-A15 with an Img Tech Rogue GPU all at 32nm on a tablet with the display specs mentioned and reasonable battery life, size and weight will be feasible. I have no doubt this rumour is at least partially true in regards to the display resolution but it'll be too little too late. Apple's iPad (3) has a resolution that is plenty high enough so moving forward Apple will simply have a thinner, lighter, and faster iPad over the competition and no "we have higher resolution" spec sheet claim is going to convince anyone reasonable to buy their device.

 

The process will be at 28nm and they're already certified for Global Foundries and TSMC.

 

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121001PD214.html

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10/8/12 at 11:05pm
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No it's not.

Ask them how fast Infinity Blade or Rage run on their "flagship" spec phones. Because it runs damn fast on the iPhone 5.
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10/8/12 at 11:10pm
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The process will be at 28nm and they're already certified for Global Foundries and TSMC.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121001PD214.html

So far the foundries Apple uses or buys components from that are 28nm are from the latest gen bandband chips. So far they have only used 32nm for their CPU/GPU ASIC and I don't expect that to readily change.

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10/8/12 at 11:15pm
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I don't for one second believe that Samsung will ship a true 299 ppi tablet. Samsung doesn't even ship a true 299 ppi smartphone. The Samsung Note II has a 3 sub-pixel per pixel arrangement (although not RGB) and has a ppi of only 217. I can't imagine Samsung can suddenly manufacture a true 299 ppi (RGB sub-pixel arrangement) tablet with a much larger screen than the Samsung Note II. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus is probably the highest ppi screen Samsung has shipped at an astonishing 316 ppi until you realize that the sub-pixel arrangement is RGBG. *
Samsung may use a octo-core (eight-core) CPU with a sexdeca-core (sixteen-core) GPU so Google can tout the "buttery smooth" user interface. Samsung may also use their patented Super Wi-Fi Plus to ensure lackluster wireless connectivity. As many of Samsung products are known to do, we can predict overheating and explosions with the Super Lithium Ion Plus battery which will last at least 2 hours with infrequent use.
* I am certain you know this but I feel compelled to create awareness of how Samsung treats their customers by duping them into believing vastly inferior technology is somehow even close to a proper 326 ppi IPS LCD display with 99% sRGB Color Gamut standard accuracy.

The vastly inferior technology goes beyond the battery.  I don't even bother arguing with people though as I'm not one to try and persuade just for the false satisfaction of thinking I have something to do with Apple.  The iPhone 5 is superior to GS3 in almost every aspect.  The processor, the camera, the screen (I'd rather have a true representative of colors rather than exaggeration of colors that pop out) The aluminum body and the list can go on.  It's not hard conclusion to come up with but still all I ever read is the iPhone is a rip off and they dupe their customers.  Mean while every year the cost of the iPhone/iPad has gone up as far as what Apple is paying per device to produce but the price for us consumers has stayed the same.  I wonder if Samsung can claim the same.  I would love to see a comparison of the breakdown of parts and cost for the two.  I can guarantee over the years it's the phone manufacturers that use Android that have been the over priced products in comparison. 

A point I like to make is recently people complaining about the new proprietary charging cable that iPhone customers are getting bent over by Apple for having to purchase and for having to pay an extra 100 dollars for 16 gigs more or 200 for 48 gigs more.  They don't think that maybe most people don't need to purchase a cable since the iPhone comes with one already so the people that choose to buy one probably don't care much.  Meanwhile Samsung does the same thing with their 3 tiers of storage space.  You can upgrade a GS3 with a sd card for cheaper but I'd have no need as I'd be more than fine with a 16gig phone as I'm not trying to store a porn collection that spans 14 years of collecting on it.  Also Samsung packs a huge battery in it without great battery life as you'd expect from the gigantic battery so they give you an option to buy a extra battery.  Isn't that a clever way to make GS3 fans spend more money.  Can we claim they are ripping their customers off as well because they force every single GS3 owner to buy a battery and SD card because it's an option just as a wire is only an option for us?  And I don't remember anyone ever complaining when phones in the past had a different plug with every single model that came out while apple was using the same 30 pin connector that lasted close to 10 years. 

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No it's not.


Yes it is as far as numbers go.  Doesn't mean it's inferior because tests have shown it to be the opposite. It has less cores than some, less ram than some, less Ghz than most.  The numbers is all I was referring to compared to other flagship phones.  Still outperforms in almost every way so it's impressive how the whole package comes together. 

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I don't know. Samsung has been able to convince millions to buy a 5" phablet as there primary phone.

Samsung exploited an unmet market segment.  It astounds me that the largest company in the world can't design and release two different size phones per year, despite what the market is telling them.  Yeah, yeah, one-handed thumb, schmum.  1. We don't all have the same size hands, 2. the bigger screen is a trade-off for two handed operation at times.  A trade-off millions are obviously ready to make.  There's more than one ergonomic factor in a design and some value the better viewing experience of their pics and other media over the Ives/Jobsian aesthetic. 

Of course, now that iOS 6 is committed to the 16:9 UI thing, Apple may have ridden into a "letterbox" canyon and have a real developer problem if they ever decided they wanted to enter the segment, as a 4.8" screen in those proportions would either have to adopt other proportions or else be so tall it would stick out of pockets and just pop out of bras....

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And I'm jealous.  I'd like a screen that big.  I just don't want an Android device.  Despite all the things hate about iOS, it's still the lesser of two evils.

Solipsism X, meet v5v.  You're both onto something here....

 

 

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Millions of users or millions of units to carrier stores by carriers desperate for "anything but an iPhone"? No one knows since Samsung counts channel stuffing as "sales"...

DocNo42, meet Solipsism X.   He's gonna learn you somethin'....

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Surely the numbers aren't as high as the channel stuffing numbers would indicate but by anecdotal accounts the Galaxy Note does appear to be selling well for what I think is a Frankenstein monster of a device.

Android's hot around here - particularly the new Sammy....  ...I know I enjoy picking it up in stores and fiddling...

 

 

 

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It's not only the carriers but the Franchise owners as well.  My brother's brother in law is part owner of a sprint store in Michigan and he complains all the time about how iPhone is hurting his business.  He tries desperately to persuade customers who come into his store to buy an Android device instead of an iPhone.  Really amazes me that a device which has so many factors against it can consistently sell through so many units.  For someone like me who knows enough about tech it wouldn't work.  If I go into a sprint store with the notion to buy an iPhone, a sales rep couldn't talk me into another device because I would be able to see past the BS.  Imagine though the clueless people, or isheep as Android users (the real sheep) like to call them, only know the iPhone and are set to buy one, only to be talked into an Android phone.  Imagine how many sales are lost for Apple that way.  This has been happening for a long time and everywhere.  I wonder how long Apple can sustain this though.  Eventually this has got to start hurting them. 

Why does your b's b-in-law desperately try to persuade people to buy a non-iPhone?  I ask 'cos I got the same treatment at three separate Verizon Stores.  Big time. And when questioned why the hard non-sell, all swore it's just because they think the droids are better devices. So it puzzles me.  Is there a bigger commission on the sales floor?  Lower device cost to the franchisee?  Pressure from Sprint (which doesn't make a lick of sense, since they've committed to buying, what 15 million in three years whether they move them all or not anyway, and made the buy because it made the company seem still relevant)??

Anybody??  I just can't puzzle it out without more facts....

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