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Apple 'iPad mini' to be Wi-Fi only, report says

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Coming on the heels of a rumored production stoppage of cases designed for Apple's rumored 7.85-inch tablet, a separate report from the UK claims the so-called "iPad mini" will ship without cellular data capabilites.

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Citing industry sources, The Guardian on Tuesday reported that the purported small form factor iPad will not be offered in a 3G-capable version, countering multiple pictures of "leaked" parts clearly showing the tell-tale black plastic RF window implemented on Apple's cellular-connected tablets.

The move is said to be a cost-saving measure as 3G wireless connectivity would require an additional up-front cost in added cellular components, as well as a monthly fee for data access.

Although speculation, it seems highly suspect that Apple would deny users of the "lower-end" tablet the option of cellular connectivity, though it remains to be seen how the company plans to market the device.

The same sources also told the publication that Apple is likely to release an updated version of the third-generation iPad, which will adopt the iPhone 5's baseband chip to offer support for the UK's Everything Everywhere 4G network. Apple's new Lightning connector is also likely to be added to the full-sized iPad, these people said, further expanding the new plug's implementation across the company's mobile device lines.

Also said to be coming in the refreshed 9.7-inch iPad is an iteration of Apple's A6 system on a chip, which made its debut in the iPhone 5 last month. It was reported last week that an unknown iPad running an A6 series processor was found in a developer's access logs, possibly pointing to internal testing of the purported device.
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I think this is the most disinformation about a product we've seen.


Good job, Tim. You've successfully doubled down.

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Great for corporations, government institutions, hospitals, schools, etc., wanting to entrust security solely within their own closed-loop networks and making it impossible for people to connect via their cell carrier.

However, I doubt this will be solely for Wifi. I see the same Wifi/Cell structure but I see those mobile workers buying the wifi only in places like hospitals, Power Plants, etc.
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Also said to be coming in the refreshed 9.7-inch iPad is an iteration of Apple's A6 system on a chip, which made its debut in the iPhone 5 last month. It was reported last week that an unknown iPad running an A6 series processor was found in a developer's access logs, possibly pointing to internal testing of the purported device.

The developer log thing possibly could answer the question if it could be determined that the unreleased device was using an AT&T IP address at any time. Surely they must be testing that feature if it is going to be supported. I need some honey pot website that would attract iPad mini testers so I can look through the logs. smile.gif

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WiFi ONLY? #FAIL
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WiFi ONLY? #FAIL
Yup, just like the iPod Touch -- NOT

While I believe this tablet will eventually replace the touch, and as such the lack of cellular connections would be negligible to sales, I don't believe the reasons stated in the article are valid. Apple charges a premium for such connectivity and the space is likely already designed into the logic board. The cost is entirely picked up by the consumer. Perhaps Apple will delay the cellular models by a month and then only in the US for a few
More months, but ultimately there is no reason not to offer it on release, at least for he reasons stated in the article ...
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More stock manipulation, eh?
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Hmm. With the iPad, cellular was bundled with GPS.

If the "mini" comes without cellular, I'm down with that. Never used it on my original iPad, either.

If the "mini" doesn't have GPS... not the least interested. The thing has to know where it is or a whole swath of astronomical applications won't work; I use the iPad out in the field all the time.

Be interesting to see just what this machine is. And the price, of course.

Hoping for an IR emitter too, a smaller iPad would make a great remote for a home theater system, just as the Ipad does for non-IR control. My HT hardware has its own web server, but IR control is the way to go for most systems and auxiliary devices.
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Hmm. With the iPad, cellular was bundled with GPS.
If the "mini" comes without cellular, I'm down with that. Never used it on my original iPad, either.
If the "mini" doesn't have GPS... not the least interested. The thing has to know where it is or a whole swath of astronomical applications won't work; I use the iPad out in the field all the time.
 

At least up till now Apple only offers gps with cellular-equipped iDevices.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4995

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This makes sense. I woudn't be surprised if they had cellular model down the line. For launch, they'd like to simplify the lineup and reduce variables. 

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Wow. I'm really sorry to see that AI would print ANYTHING that came from the Guardian.
There couldn't possibly be a more unreliable source. (for anything)
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This makes sense. I woudn't be surprised if they had cellular model down the line. For launch, they'd like to simplify the lineup and reduce variables. 

I think they know what the variables are, at least in ratio, as they have three years of iPad sales data to rely on. Even the first iPad had cellular and it was a completely unknown entity at the time. It makes no sense to me to not have it as an option and I certainly would not buy one without it.

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Yet another reason to not buy this Kindle/Nexus/Nook clone.
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When I first heard the rumors (read them, actually) about an iPad mini, I thought.."ugh..why?" But I've rethought it. In fact, I think I'd actually buy one before a larger iPad. My issue with the iPad is I can't justify the cost. I would use it for an e-reader and some light surfing. I don't travel enough to use it for many movies, games, etc. And if I want to work, I really want my actual laptop.

Either way, I wouldn't get a cell-equipped model. I'll take a mini for $249, please!
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Yup, just like the iPod Touch -- NOT
While I believe this tablet will eventually replace the touch, and as such the lack of cellular connections would be negligible to sales, I don't believe the reasons stated in the article are valid. Apple charges a premium for such connectivity and the space is likely already designed into the logic board. The cost is entirely picked up by the consumer. Perhaps Apple will delay the cellular models by a month and then only in the US for a few
More months, but ultimately there is no reason not to offer it on release, at least for he reasons stated in the article ...

I have a touch. I used to carry it around with me all the time, but invariably found myself wanting information while walking down a street and being unable to get it because there was no free WiFi nearby. Today I bumped into an old friend on the bus and was able to update his contact information so having the touch with me was convenient, but the information didn't flow to any of my other devices so it might as well have been written in ink on the back of my hand.

 

Without at least the option for cellular data the touch, even the new one with its decent camera, just isn't appealing to me. However I'm not the target market for the touch. My desire for a pocketable information appliance doesn't fit Apple's business model.

 

The tablet is a completely different market and I believe, as you do, that Apple will have a cellular option for those who can't or won't tether to their phones.

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At least up till now Apple only offers gps with cellular-equipped iDevices.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4995

 

Umm.  I am 99% that my wife's non-3G First-Gen iPad has a GPS locator in it.  In fact, I am looking at its location now on iCloud's find my device feature.

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Umm.  I am 99% that my wife's non-3G First-Gen iPad has a GPS locator in it.

 

I'm 100% sure it doesn't, bar none. Three trillion dollar bet.

 

It has Akamai Wi-Fi mapping.

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IF the rumors are true Apple will announce an event tomorrow. If the rumors are wrong we will have a bunch of excuses and reasons for being delayed stories on the 10th.

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If the rumors are wrong we will have a bunch of excuses and reasons for being delayed stories on the 10th.

 

What else would it imply if there wasn't an invite?

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More stock manipulation, eh?


Gotta do something to bring the stock price back up.

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I know this is anecdotal...but Chris Breen of MacWorld said he bought a 3G iPad for use when he may be on vacation without access to wifi.

 

He used it twice in a year! I bought an iPad2 wifi only and will buy an iPad7" wifi only, too.

 

The last thing I will ever do is give ATT or Sprint another $15 to $30 a mo.

 

Cell and cable companies are all bloodsuckers! 

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I think if there is an iPad mini it will WiFi-only. Cellular simply costs too much. Even the Kindle Fire HD only has cellular as an option in the larger model and with extra capacity.

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It depends on the price point Apple is shooting for with the iPad mini.  Sure you can easily say Apple commands a higher price point and they get it, but there is also reality here, 7 inch tablets are cheap and people are buying them in droves so if Apple is going to cut into that dance and do it in a big way (as expected) they can't be charging $400 when everyone else is $200 or less.

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I know this is anecdotal...but Chris Breen of MacWorld said he bought a 3G iPad for use when he may be on vacation without access to wifi.

 

He used it twice in a year! I bought an iPad2 wifi only and will buy an iPad7" wifi only, too.

 

The last thing I will ever do is give ATT or Sprint another $15 to $30 a mo.

 

Cell and cable companies are all bloodsuckers! 

But if you want GPS it only comes with the cellular model which also offers a data plan should you ever change your mind. You are not obligated to purchase the plan or even the iPad model that offers it. It is an option. I personally use LTE on my iPad all the time. I never use free wireless (without password) because it is insecure. Furthermore with AT&T I can use their MX server without having to jump through hoops with our corporate server which requires POP before SMPT for security. That way I can use Mail to send messages without any hassles.

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if apple want to compromise the price point, they don't have a choice. if they will make cell/wifi capable ipad mini, price will be $120 more just like new ipad 4G. but who will buy this little 7 inch tablet with $120 more? besides, ipad mini won't have retina display, faster A6, and so-so hardware spec. it can't take advantage of other competitors. no way. apple will suicide, completely fail. as I said before, ipad mini is a big mistake. they should keep bigger ipad line. 7 inch market is too tight, has no space to penetrate. it's not 2007 that iphone was successful. the game is changed. apple can't compete with google, amazon with lower price.
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start the "Apple is screwing it's customers with the non 3G/4G iPad mini" thread.

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if apple want to compromise the price point, they don't have a choice. if they will make cell/wifi capable ipad mini, price will be $120 more just like new ipad 4G. but who will buy this little 7 inch tablet with $120 more? besides, ipad mini won't have retina display, faster A6, and so-so hardware spec. it can't take advantage of other competitors. no way. apple will suicide, completely fail. as I said before, ipad mini is a big mistake. they should keep bigger ipad line. 7 inch market is too tight, has no space to penetrate. it's not 2007 that iphone was successful. the game is changed. apple can't compete with google, amazon with lower price.

I keep reading people saying this has to be a cheaper version. I don't want a cheaper model, I only want a smaller one. I'll buy it if it costs the same as the 10" version. What I won't buy, is one that has much of the iPad-ness stripped out of it just to make it cheaper.
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start the "Apple is screwing it's customers with the non 3G/4G iPad mini" thread.

 

Lackofcellulartelephonygate.

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Will the headphone jack be on the bottom?
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I think if there is an iPad mini it will WiFi-only. Cellular simply costs too much. Even the Kindle Fire HD only has cellular as an option in the larger model and with extra capacity.

 

But keep in mind the iPads are contract-free. Active the 3G only when you need it and the costs aren't as bad as the contract for a phone. Plus at least in the US, both Verizon and ATT now have their shared data plans, so adding a tablet is just $10/month. Bonus for Verizon customers: that (in a way) gets you simultaneous voice (on the phone) and data (on the tablet). :-)

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When I first heard the rumors (read them, actually) about an iPad mini, I thought.."ugh..why?" But I've rethought it. In fact, I think I'd actually buy one before a larger iPad. My issue with the iPad is I can't justify the cost. I would use it for an e-reader and some light surfing. I don't travel enough to use it for many movies, games, etc. And if I want to work, I really want my actual laptop.
Either way, I wouldn't get a cell-equipped model. I'll take a mini for $249, please!


I desired a "mini" iPad some time ago. I have an iPhone, wife has an iPad. My need was mainly for book reading and limited net access.  Cell access not needed!

Couldn't wait for Apple, so I bought a 7" BB Playbook on a real deal.  The PB is far from matching Apple's iDevices, in fact it fails to connect to some WiFi  hotspots, but I'm stuck with it for now.

At least it accesses my local library and some online book sites.

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Given how fractured the worldwide LTE market is these days, with different chips needed for different markets, I think this is a smart move on Apple's part.  Customer's who need an integrated cellular capability can buy the 9.7inch iPad.  Waiting a year before introducing cellular data to the iPad Mini also allows Apple to introduce LTE to the 9.7inch iPad first, which is appropriate for the high end.

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No it has to have a cell unit.

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Hmm. With the iPad, cellular was bundled with GPS.
If the "mini" comes without cellular, I'm down with that. Never used it on my original iPad, either.
If the "mini" doesn't have GPS... not the least interested. The thing has to know where it is or a whole swath of astronomical applications won't work; I use the iPad out in the field all the time.
Be interesting to see just what this machine is. And the price, of course.
Hoping for an IR emitter too, a smaller iPad would make a great remote for a home theater system, just as the Ipad does for non-IR control. My HT hardware has its own web server, but IR control is the way to go for most systems and auxiliary devices.

 

Good point.

A wifi ipad can have a cellular network connection via tethering, so that's not a problem at all.

GPS location info could be obtained via the tethering device but I don't thing this will work via the default API's.

 

J.

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Will the headphone jack be on the bottom?


For sure, when Apple launches innovative features. They propagate them to all products.

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No it has to have a cell unit.

 

It doesn't have to have anything. Anyone who makes absolute declarations like this have been proven wrong over and over again.

 

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Hmm. With the iPad, cellular was bundled with GPS.
If the "mini" comes without cellular, I'm down with that. Never used it on my original iPad, either.
If the "mini" doesn't have GPS... not the least interested. The thing has to know where it is or a whole swath of astronomical applications won't work; I use the iPad out in the field all the time.
Be interesting to see just what this machine is. And the price, of course.
Hoping for an IR emitter too, a smaller iPad would make a great remote for a home theater system, just as the Ipad does for non-IR control. My HT hardware has its own web server, but IR control is the way to go for most systems and auxiliary devices.


Kind of agree. I see how Apple bundles GPS and cellular. But there are clear cases when GPS alone would not only suffice but may be ideal. Hard to please everyone, though.

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I think if there is an iPad mini it will WiFi-only. Cellular simply costs too much. Even the Kindle Fire HD only has cellular as an option in the larger model and with extra capacity.

One the one hand I think cellular makes the more sense the smaller the product is. So on the mini it would make even more sense than on the standard iPad. Personally, I'm also looking forward to getting a cellular version of the mini.

On the other hand, I do see that cellular even increases the pricing issue Apple may face with the mini. With comparable specs to the iPad 2, it should be $299 (Wifi-only). With cellular, the mini would be more expensive than the iPad 2 (of course without cellular), and that just doesn't look good.

Then again, the iPod Touch is also $299 with a much smaller screen (albeit retina and likely with more RAM). Pricing the mini at $249 would probable relegate the Touch to the shelves.

 

I wonder if Apple could reduce the cost of cellular to less than $120. Carmakers do this all the time, where optional equipment is cheaper with the lower-range models than with the high-end ones, even if the equipment is essentially the same. So maybe Apples does away with LTE for the mini, and instead reduce the extra charge to maybe $80.

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So. The iPad mini…

 

Where's… where's the, uh… the invite? Today was supposed to be the invite, wasn't it? 

Hmm.

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