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Report reaffirms 13" Retina MacBook Pro still on track for 2012 launch

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Research firm NPD DisplaySearch says Apple is likely to release a Retina display-packing 13-inch MacBook Pro before the year is out, with production currently on schedule for sometime in the fourth quarter.

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Analyst Richard Shim told CNET that Apple will be launching its second Retina display MacBook Pro offering later this year, reiterating earlier reports suggesting the laptop would be released in fall 2012.

Shim confirmed that the portable would boast a screen resolution of 2,560-by-1,600 pixels, expectedly lower than the 15-inch model's 2,880-by-1,800-pixel screen. The unit is also thought to be priced somewhere between the current top-of-the-line 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display and a high-tier 13-inch non-Retina model, though final cost is up in the air as the product is a new entry to Apple's laptop stable.

While only speculation, Shim believes Apple is planning on debuting the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display after the iPad mini announcement, which is rumored to be coming up later in October.

It was reported in August that 13-inch Retina displays bound for an as-yet-unannounced MacBook were being produced, with initial output volumes supposedly higher than the 15-inch model. If true, Apple is preparing for an onslaught of orders as the current MacBook Pro with Retina display saw stock shortages when it was first announced in June.

A number of reported "leaks" regarding the 13-inch laptop have been circulating since the first Retina display MacBook Pro was released, including supposed online benchmark scores logged in June and August.
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Report reaffirms RUMOR that 13 inch Macbook Pro 

with Retina display will launch this year

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As with the 15" models, I would expect Apple to price the 13" retina so very close to the non-retina that customers will feel compelled to jump for the new model, which will have soldered memory and glued battery (ka-ching!)

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Running out of time for a fourth quarter 2012 launch...

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Report reaffirms RUMOR that 13 inch Macbook Pro 

with Retina display will launch this year

 

That's how the Internet works. If you shout "RUMOR!!!" loud enough into the Grand Canyon, you'll hear "RUMOR!!!" repeated a few seconds later, reaffirming it. lol.gif

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
Running out of time for a fourth quarter 2012 launch...

 

Q4 just started. Unless you mean fiscal.

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Q4 just started. Unless you mean fiscal.

Still running out of time. You can't reasonably launch in December. In the US, you really need to have your product on the shelf by Thanksgiving, but even that is a bit late for an Apple product that will need ramp up the supply, have the early adopters somewhat out of the way, and word of mouth to allow for free advertising. This is less of an issue with new Macs than with an iPad mini, but the assumed low cost of the iPad mini makes it easier to buy without much consideration.

If we get a special event notice tomorrow, the 10th, it'll likely take place on the 17th with the earliest new product release on the 26th. That's about as close you really want to push it but there is always the unusual circumstance and Apple wanting to get something that prevents cheap tablet competitors from gaining any ground seems to me to be a powerful reason to push the threshold.
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As with the 15" models, I would expect Apple to price the 13" retina so very close to the non-retina that customers will feel compelled to jump for the new model, which will have soldered memory and glued battery (ka-ching!)

Are people actually liking the 15" retina with all its issues? I keep reading to wait for the 2nd iteration after the kinks get ironed out.
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Q4 just started. Unless you mean fiscal.

 

"Time is up, Timmy, put your pencil down."

"But the test ends at 10:55am"

"It's 10:55am now, put your pencil down."

"Yeah, unless you mean in Spain."

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
Still running out of time. You can't reasonably launch in December.
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"Time is up, Timmy, put your pencil down."

"But the test ends at 10:55am"

"It's 10:55am now, put your pencil down."

"Yeah, unless you mean in Spain."

 

Sure, but the rumor has always been "October", and it's just now October enough for an event invitation. Release later this month and boom, it's out. Big deal.

 

I'm still hoping that if there's an event planned this month at all that it's a computer event for the 13" rMBP, new iMac, and Mac Mini, with no mention of iDevices anywhere. 

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What issues? It is a wonderful machine. I use it twelve hours a day (easier on the eyes than anything else out there).
 

Cool so no battery misreads?
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I'm still hoping that if there's an event planned this month at all that it's a computer event for the 13" rMBP, new iMac, and Mac Mini, with no mention of iDevices anywhere. 

Not even a tablet with a new connector???

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Not even a tablet with a new connector???

 

Right, though it's a pipe dream at best.

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My only problem with this 13"rMBP is related to graphics.

 

Will they go with nvidia/intel combo or intel only?

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It was reported in August that 13-inch Retina displays bound for an as-yet-unannounced MacBook were being produced, with initial output volumes supposedly higher than the 15-inch model. If true, Apple is preparing for an onslaught of orders

 

Yeah, because THIS is the slimmer Macbook we asked for, not the 15" model they released. I travel a lot for my job, and I was so excited this spring when it seemed like rumors of a thinner refresh were true (the power of a MBP with the footprint almost reaching MBA size) only to be extremely disappointed when a 13" MBPr was conspicuously absent from the lineup. Though the extra screen area in nice, for someone like me that does 40% of his work with his laptop sitting on a tray table 30k feet in the air, the 15" is just too big.

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Still running out of time. You can't reasonably launch in December. In the US, you really need to have your product on the shelf by Thanksgiving, but even that is a bit late for an Apple product that will need ramp up the supply, have the early adopters somewhat out of the way, and word of mouth to allow for free advertising. This is less of an issue with new Macs than with an iPad mini, but the assumed low cost of the iPad mini makes it easier to buy without much consideration.
If we get a special event notice tomorrow, the 10th, it'll likely take place on the 17th with the earliest new product release on the 26th. That's about as close you really want to push it but there is always the unusual circumstance and Apple wanting to get something that prevents cheap tablet competitors from gaining any ground seems to me to be a powerful reason to push the threshold.

 

You know the original 2008 Unibody MBP came out on October 14th, and the Late 2011 MBP refresh was released October 24th, right? A 2012 release on the 26th would be in line with previous launches.

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stuff the retina, wot about my iMac with USB3 and IvyBridge

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What issues? It is a wonderful machine. I use it twelve hours a day (easier on the eyes than anything else out there).
 

I would have to concur. While not quite using mine 12 hours a day, I have had zero issues with it, using both OSX and Bootcamp. Not sure why everyone thinks all products in a line are defective when less than 1% are reported to have issues. Granted zero percent with issues would be better, but not very realistic, I think.
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The unit is also thought to be priced somewhere between the current top-of-the-line 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display and a high-tier 13-inch non-Retina model

 

In the UK that's over £1000 differential.

 

I want / need this bad but anything over £1299 prices me out.

 

Defo need dedicated graphics too.

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Intel has a quad core mobile Ivy Bridge processor with the same TDP as the MBP 13 uses, I hope the Retina version gets that.

Also the concern about Intel-only graphics is valid, on the 15" there is a very jarring lag with some UI animations like the green button resize or the calendar flip, like I can count 5-6 frames bad. If you force it to use the Nvidia card only, that is gone. Without the Nvidia card at all as a fallback there is limited room to improve that on the 13".
Edited by tipoo - 10/10/12 at 5:08am
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More trinkets and toys from Apple RE:13" Retina MacBook Pro :-( When will we see a 17" Retina MacBook Pro?


see https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4030764?start=0&tstart=0

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More trinkets and toys from Apple RE:13" Retina MacBook Pro :-( When will we see a 17" Retina MacBook Pro?


see https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4030764?start=0&tstart=0

don't think you ever will.

I think by dropping the 17" standard MBP in July, Apple made it quite clear that model is done.  it's was a very small margin of people that bought it in the first place from what i read.

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Yeah, because THIS is the slimmer Macbook we asked for, not the 15" model they released. I travel a lot for my job, and I was so excited this spring when it seemed like rumors of a thinner refresh were true (the power of a MBP with the footprint almost reaching MBA size) only to be extremely disappointed when a 13" MBPr was conspicuously absent from the lineup. Though the extra screen area in nice, for someone like me that does 40% of his work with his laptop sitting on a tray table 30k feet in the air, the 15" is just too big.

I think from what I've read, most people that would take advantage of the Hi-res screen are photographers and graphics pro's.  They only buy the larger display MB's from what i hear, however, like i just said above, the 15" was more dominant even though the 17" was available.

 

My question is, with a 13" MBP+r eventually being released, you will now have 3 laptops in the 13" category, and two of them are very similar to each other.  Some experts (who's opinion i trust) say that it's more feasible for the flagship MacBook (the 13" MBP) to be retired next year as part of a 2 year slow march towards Retina displays Family-wide adoption.  July 2013 would be a better time to drop the standard Res MBP's.  Getting back to my point, it's going to be a tough call between the purchase of a 13" MBP+R or a 13" MBP for $$$ less with much more flexibility...or the 13" MB-A with a trimmer (yet similar to the MBP+R) form-factor and much much heavier.

 

Too many choices Apple!  I thought you guys were all about simplifying?

 

I'm currently looking to get a new 13" but if the MBP+R comes out this month (since the 15" Retina was available at launch in July) that's going to be quite a conundrum for me.  I'd rather get the 11" for travel (since I travel 6 months of the year) but it lacks a SD card reader, and the 13"R is more than I need, but the 13 MBP has the more accurate display for photo editing.


Edited by antkm1 - 10/10/12 at 9:19am
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If we never see a 17" Retina MBP it will be a shame, as a consultant & software developer screen real estate is paramount. The new 15" Retina MacBook Pro doesn't emulate the equivalent 1920x1200 resolution well, the text appears visibly softer and is not comfortable to work on for long periods coupled with the fact a smaller screen will induce more tiredness and eye strain over a larger one. As a consultant that often works from client sites its not practical to carry around a desktop monitor with the laptop, doing so makes any laptop less portable no matter how small and light it is on its own. Even if it was practical to carry around additional screens a client may not offer the space for a multi monitor setup. The use case for the 17" was that it had all the benefits of an apple desktop machine with the portability. The 17" may have been a lump to some but for some of us it wasn't an issue. The old 17" was no thicker than the old 15" something they should be able to achieve if they made a 17" version of the Retina MBP. Apple customers like me are stuck as we have no comfortable upgrade path, the real estate of the 15" Retina MBP is not enough or comfortable to work on and its not practical to carry around an additional screen or an iMac. Looks like I'll have to make my maxed out 16GB ram Mid 2011 macbook pro last as long as I can. Can't switch to a PC as I need a mac for iOS work and most PC's are more heavy and ugly than the last 17" Unibody Macbook pro ever was. As a professional I upgrade my machine every couple of years and wouldn't mind paying more for a 17" version as I'll earn the expense back. I was hoping to get a new 17" in the summer of 2013, here's hoping apple see sense.


Edited by inconnect - 10/10/12 at 9:23am
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Right, though it's a pipe dream at best.

Despite all the rumors we are getting about a Q4 launch for an iPad mini, we've all been duped by Apple in the past.

Remember...the Gen1 iPad was announced in Jan. 2010 and released in early 2010, despite all the rumors and analysts betting and swearing up and down that it was going to be a Q4 2009 release.

So it would be entirely possible that we won't see the iPad mini until Jan. 2013.

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Despite all the rumors we are getting about a Q4 launch for an iPad mini, we've all been duped by Apple in the past.

Remember...the Gen1 iPad was announced in Jan. 2010 and released in early 2010, despite all the rumors and analysts betting and swearing up and down that it was going to be a Q4 2009 release.

 

RIght. And despite WSJ's repeated confirmations of January 2008, June 2008, January 2009, we saw the iPhone nano in… oh, wait. lol.gif

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My experience is that a 13inch MacBook Air is still too big for economy seats :( My wife has an 11" Air, and that seems borderline OK.
 

 

Try getting a bulkhead seat if you can. Row 6 on Alaska's 737-800's and 900's. You lose the underseat storage since there's no seat in front of you, but the legroom and work space is almost as good as First Class. They usually stay booked up for elite members, but the hold is released 24 hours before departure, so check in for your flight a day ahead and it should let you grab them.

 

I tried an 11", but I took it back after a week because I need more screen, and the keys of the MBA's are too shallow for the amount of typing I do, and I'm an old touch typist that's used to clacky mechanical keyboards so I tap hard. After a half hour, my finger joints were sort from bottoming out on that shallow keyboard.

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I think from what I've read, most people that would take advantage of the Hi-res screen are photographers and graphics pro's.  They only buy the larger display MB's from what i hear, however, like i just said above, the 15" was more dominant even though the 17" was available.

 

My question is, with a 13" MBP+r eventually being released, you will now have 3 laptops in the 13" category, and two of them are very similar to each other.  Some experts (who's opinion i trust) say that it's more feasible for the flagship MacBook (the 13" MBP) to be retired next year as part of a 2 year slow march towards Retina displays Family-wide adoption.  July 2013 would be a better time to drop the standard Res MBP's.  Getting back to my point, it's going to be a tough call between the purchase of a 13" MBP+R or a 13" MBP for $$$ less with much more flexibility...or the 13" MB-A with a trimmer (yet similar to the MBP+R) form-factor and much much heavier.

 

Too many choices Apple!  I thought you guys were all about simplifying?

 

I'm currently looking to get a new 13" but if the MBP+R comes out this month (since the 15" Retina was available at launch in July) that's going to be quite a conundrum for me.  I'd rather get the 11" for travel (since I travel 6 months of the year) but it lacks a SD card reader, and the 13"R is more than I need, but the 13 MBP has the more accurate display for photo editing.

 

The increased screen resolution would be nice, but honestly, the only aspect I'm really interested in this for is the slimmer form factor and lighter weight. I loved the size of the MBA, but as I mentioned above, that shallow keyboard just didn't cut it for me. I get what you're saying about why they went with the 15" first though, and agree.

 

As for there being too many choices, I think this is why you'll see the current 13" and 15" unibody discontinued next year, and replaced completely with the rMBP line. There's just no reason to keep them around at this point, other than possibly creating a special Educational Institution only model with special pricing, seeing how so many schools use them now.

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13" Retina MB "Pro" with Intel crap integrated video card? LOL. No thanks, but good luck to other "Pro" people.

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13" Retina MB "Pro" with Intel crap integrated video card? LOL. No thanks, but good luck to other "Pro" people.

1) You have proof that once the ODD and HDD is removed there will be no room for an dGPU?

2) You have proof that an iGPU can effectively run a 13" RMBP display and that being able to run that 4x as many pixels as it does today would make it "crap"?

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1) You have proof that once the ODD and HDD is removed there will be no room for an dGPU?
2) You have proof that an iGPU can effectively run a 13" RMBP display and that being able to run that 4x as many pixels as it does today would make it "crap"?

Let's make it this way - if they put an Nvidia 650/640M or similar AMD inside I'd buy at least two right away. But that won't happen.

I expect that "Pro" needs a functional OpenGL card inside. Am I wrong? I'd trade "Retina" Display for an Nvidia 650M any day.


Edited by mocseg - 10/11/12 at 4:46am

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1) You have proof that once the ODD and HDD is removed there will be no room for an dGPU?
2) You have proof that an iGPU can effectively run a 13" RMBP display and that being able to run that 4x as many pixels as it does today would make it "crap"?

If you run the current RMBP on the Intel graphics (which it defaults to for most tasks) lots of animations are laggy, especially the resize animation and the ical page flip, I can literally count four or five frames separately. Perhaps the small resolution drop the 13" RMBP would take over the 15" would fix that, but I highly doubt it. Let's await and see.
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Perhaps the small resolution drop the 13" RMBP would take over the 15" would fix that, but I highly doubt it.

The GPU would need to be about 70-80% of the 650M to perform the same on the 13". The HD4000 is only 30-50%. Given that one of their demos of the display was Diablo 3, I doubt they'd go with the HD4000 or they'd have to give up that demo.

Another thing is that the HD4000 uses part of the system memory. With soldered RAM, it's better having dedicated video memory especially when driving such high resolutions not to mention dual TB ports and HDMI for up to 3 displays. Bear in mind, this will still be a $1499+ machine. I'd expect a 512MB-1GB 640M.
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