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Consumer Reports: 'Purple haze' not limited to iPhone 5, Android cameras also have flare

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Consumer Reports on Wednesday declared that Apple's iPhone 5 is no more susceptible to lens flare than other smartphone-based cameras, including the latest devices running Google Android.

In response to reports about a so-called "purple haze" effect when taking photos with the iPhone 5 camera in bright light, the consumer advocacy group did a number of tests with smartphone cameras. Their results found that the iPhone 5 did display a "haze" when photos were taken in bright light, but the issue was no more pronounced with Apple's latest handset than with other devices.

Comparable issues with smartphone cameras were found with the iPhone 4S, the Samsung Galaxy S III, and the Motorola Droid Razr Maxx. All of the devices were tested under the same conditions in Consumer Reports' labs.

Their tests found that the haze captured by smartphone cameras was sometimes purple, while other times it was a different color. In some tests, the flare formed on images as a rainbow of colors.

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"All camera lenses, even those made for expensive SLRs, can yield lens flare, which is produced by scattered reflections inside the lens from a bright light source," Consumer Reports said. "How much flare appears in an image depends on how you orient the lens."

While the organization acknowledged the problem "can be annoying," they also said it's not likely to be something that will affect most photos. Users are also advised to minimize its presence by using their hand to shield their phone's camera lens from sunlight.

Days after the iPhone 5 was released, the so-called "purple haze" issue was noted by users online. While some speculated it could be related to a defect with the phone, further investigation revealed the problem is common with many modern digital cameras, especially miniaturized devices.

Over the weekend, Apple posted a support document on its website addressing the camera flare controversy. It noted that most small cameras, including those in every generation of iPhone, could exhibit some form of flare at the edges of the frame when capturing images with out-of-scene light sources.
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Hopefully we can put this ignorance to an end once and for all. This goes to both Android and iOS users.
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So are we supposed to be for or against CR, then?

 

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So are we supposed to be for or against CR, then?

 

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So are we supposed to be for or against CR, then?

LOL

Easy. I'm for CR when they actually do a reasonable test and reach a scientifically supportable conclusion.

I'm against CR when they editorialize and make pronouncements based on nothing but unfounded opinions.

So what part of that don't you understand?
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This is weird. CR is behaving strange lately.
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
Easy. I'm for CR when they actually do a reasonable test and reach a scientifically supportable conclusion.
I'm against CR when they editorialize and make pronouncements based on nothing but unfounded opinions.
So what part of that don't you understand?

 

Many trolls people consider that to be "holding a double standard", and that we must perpetually be 100% for or against the actions that an individual or company takes. At least, that's my attempt at an explanation. Do you think that jives with what we hear? lol.gif

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This is weird. CR is behaving strange lately.

 

No they are maximizing their "earned marketing" by staying relevant. [1] 

 

Sometimes, their findings and ratings are at odds with their recommendations... like the "antennagate" controversy - highest rated phone - no recommend - huh?

 

I bought a highly CR-recommended fridge and it's had more problems in one year than my old house's 10-year old clunker ... and it's noisy.

 

Sometimes they're in sync and make complete sense (plenty of other stuff they recommended and I bought are doing fine - like my 7 year old Dyson vacuum).

 

[1] http://www.quora.com/Marketing/What-is-Earned-Marketing

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Stop taking picture into the light. This is what happen when you let people who have no clue about how to take pictures use a cheap camera and expect perfection.

The fact that people are complaining about this show how many clueless people are allow to buy things which they do not know how to use.

If you do not what this kind of problem go buy a $1000 SLA with some good lens and 3 ccd and take a photo class or two any maybe the purple haze can be a photo shop exercise.
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This is weird. CR is behaving strange lately.

So you saw this too! Does this mean that It's not just me having some hallucinations?
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Yes, lens flare happens with camera's (hell the latest Star Trek film in 2009 used this effect a lot), but it is more apparent with the ip5 over similar spec'd Android phones. And it seems to catch only the upper end of the UV spectrum/lower end of the visible, which to me looks more and more like the digital sensor. The ip4 series and the Galaxy S3, which share the same or similar sensor, don't produce anything like I have seen with the 5.

Between hazegate, scuffgate, mapgate and glitchgate, heads should be rolling at Apple. If Steve were still alive, you can be damn sure they would be.
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No they are maximizing their "earned marketing" by staying relevant. [1] 

 

Sometimes, their findings and ratings are at odds with their recommendations... like the "antennagate" controversy - highest rated phone - no recommend - huh?

 

I bought a highly CR-recommended fridge and it's had more problems in one year than my old house's 10-year old clunker ... and it's noisy.

 

Sometimes they're in sync and make complete sense (plenty of other stuff they recommended and I bought are doing fine - like my 7 year old Dyson vacuum).

 

[1] http://www.quora.com/Marketing/What-is-Earned-Marketing

I not sure about that one either, Dyson product show up on Woot all the time more than any other single product and they are all refurbish, you have to ask yourself why Dyson likes dumping so many of their vacuum on woot and other places all the time. You might have gotten on the one of the good one.

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This is weird. CR is behaving strange lately.

So you saw this too! Does this mean that It's not just me having some hallucinations?

Not necessarily. CR could be behaving strangely AND you are hallucinating.

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They only complain when it's an Apple product because Apple users demand the highest quality and when it happens on a Windows or Android phone, they EXPECT it to not work well.


Either way, if you get flare in the camera lens, it's probably due to an inexperienced photographer that doesn't know where to have the light source.  You should have the light source (sun or bright lights) BEHIND the photographer NOT the subject, UNLESS you have a proper filter or know what you're doing.

 

Maybe they should give users of mobile devices with a camera the do's and don'ts of taking a decent photograph.

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Purple Haze also shows up whenever I play Jimi Hendrix tunes. 

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They only complain when it's an Apple product because Apple users demand the highest quality and when it happens on a Windows or Android phone, they EXPECT it to not work well.


Either way, if you get flare in the camera lens, it's probably due to an inexperienced photographer that doesn't know where to have the light source.  You should have the light source (sun or bright lights) BEHIND the photographer NOT the subject, UNLESS you have a proper filter or know what you're doing.

 

Maybe they should give users of mobile devices with a camera the do's and don'ts of taking a decent photograph.

 

 

two wrongs make a right - apple -  Perhaps that's why  Android / Windows phones don't cost as much.

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Not to Rant on CR, but face it they trash products base on the surveys they send out to people to ask them about the problems they had with the product. We all know human behavior will cause people to complain more about something they hate or had problems with verse telling people how much they love something or never had a problem with. There is an old saying when some had a bad experience they tell 11 people, when they have a good experience they tell 3. CR usually is one of the 11 being told someone had a problem.

 

For get their opinions, I use to read their reports all the time and had products they rate poor or bad based on people expeirence and I never had those so called problems and talked to and knew lots of who had the same problem and they too never had the issue the CR claims exist with the product. All things fail, and just because someone complained it failed does not mean it a poor product.

 

Case an point if CR was really doing real testing they would have found this issue a long time ago which happens with cheap camera and explained to people you get what you paid for.They would have shown people the difference of a SLA camera verse a point and shoot. People use to know back in the day the cheap-o point and shots never took very good pictures, today people thing a camera in a phone should work like and SLA that cost $1000's.

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Yes, lens flare happens with camera's (hell the latest Star Trek film in 2009 used this effect a lot), but it is more apparent with the ip5 over similar spec'd Android phones. And it seems to catch only the upper end of the UV spectrum/lower end of the visible, which to me looks more and more like the digital sensor. The ip4 series and the Galaxy S3, which share the same or similar sensor, don't produce anything like I have seen with the 5.
Between hazegate, scuffgate, mapgate and glitchgate, heads should be rolling at Apple. If Steve were still alive, you can be damn sure they would be.

please ad a sarcasm sign (e.g. /s). There are actually people visiting this site, who believe this nonsens. Can you believe that?
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Consumer Reports always gets it right. That's why they're so well respected and deserving of so many articles at AI.
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Purple Haze also shows up whenever I play Jimi Hendrix tunes. 


Yeah sometimes when the weed and the music is just right.....
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Tomorrow I receive my third iPhone 5. The first had a dodgy touchscreen, the second a chamfer chip. I took a number of photos on holiday and notice a few have the purple "flare".

 

 

 

 

Personally never had this with my iPhone 4. TBH Im less than impressed. With Mountain Lion causing my iMac to crash daily until 10.8.2 came out and now this, Im less than impressed. Apple need to get its act together

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Easy. I'm for CR when they actually do a reasonable test and reach a scientifically supportable conclusion. I'm against CR when they editorialize and make pronouncements based on nothing but unfounded opinions. So what part of that don't you understand?

 

Hey. Cheeky. Even if you think I am wrong there's no need to turn into a jerk like John Gruber.

 

Look, I know from personal experience that depending on the specific batch of iPhone 4's you got, and the location of your person, you could get noticeable antenna issues. Considering I followed CR closely around the time and looked into the legitimacy of their claims, it did seem that they tested quite a few phones to compare the 4 to others, and used some especially, sophisticated equipment. They did report what they found. Now... it is possible that perhaps the location of their facility was in one of these antenna locations, but the issue existed. In the end, to me, it seemed it was the media that blew the issue out of all proportion, not necessarily CR, like JG would lead one to believe.

 

So what part of that don't you understand?

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Tomorrow I receive my third iPhone 5. The first had a dodgy touchscreen, the second a chamfer chip. I took a number of photos on holiday and notice a few have the purple "flare".

 

 

 

 

Personally never had this with my iPhone 4. TBH Im less than impressed. With Mountain Lion causing my iMac to crash daily until 10.8.2 came out and now this, Im less than impressed. Apple need to get its act together

 

Don't be honest around here, you'll be burned at the stake.

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Just to weigh in on this and other issues, as to my personal experience:

I have had the iPhone 5 for 2 weeks now, and I absolutely love it. The larger screen is wonderful, LTE in my area (AT&T) is lightning fast - often faster than my wi-fi, and it is super quick on tasks within the phone. Couldn't be happier.

About these "issues" people are complaining about:

1. Purple Haze: I have compared to my old 4S in comparable pictures, and haze can be recreated in both. To be honest, it does seem a little more pronounced (the purplish tone) with the iPhone 5, but really a non-issue with me and the way I take photos.

2. Scratches: I had a small edge scuff on my black iPhone 5 upon opening the box, but it was really barely noticeable. I bet the only reason I did notice it was I looked for it once I heard others talking about it. I keep my phone in a case so it didn't bother me anyway.

3. Maps: I have experienced zero problems so far. Maps look great, turn-by-turn is fantastic and I never had much use for Google's Streetview anyway. Just to see, I used Flyover to locate an address in New York I stayed at last year and was able to get a semi-low "treetop" view of the same building I saw with Streetview - and without a bright sun washing out half the scene as with the Streetview picture. In this instance, Flyover was better than Streetview.

Bottom line: best iPhone yet, can't wait to see what they'll come up with next year.
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Stop taking picture into the light. This is what happen when you let people who have no clue about how to take pictures use a cheap camera and expect perfection.
The fact that people are complaining about this show how many clueless people are allow to buy things which they do not know how to use.
If you do not what this kind of problem go buy a $1000 SLA with some good lens and 3 ccd and take a photo class or two any maybe the purple haze can be a photo shop exercise.

Answer me this then. Why did it not happen on my 4s? Not once!!!

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These are from my iPhone 4. One good, one not as good.

 

Sun just off camera here. To me, it seems that this one, the least affected image (no purple haze) should be the worse one because of the hard, hard sun just off camera. I'd be interested to know how this exact same shot: location, light, position, etc. might look from an iPhone 5.

 

 

 

Same here, sun off camera, but interestingly the sun was actually low in the sky behind me here, and behind trees, But, it is at least some proof the iPhone 4 is also capable of this so-called purple haze.

 


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So are we supposed to be for or against CR, then?

 

LOL

 

I don't have a problem with CR rating toaster ovens.

But when it comes to smartphones, some are just not Android enough for them.

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Answer me this then. Why did it not happen on my 4s? Not once!!!

I'll answer you.  Return your damn phone and move on with your life.  Send a statement to Apple that you are unsatisfied with your phone camera and be done with it.

"But, but, but... <wutever>"

Jeez, the amount of whining about this is unbelievable.

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Stop taking picture into the light. This is what happen when you let people who have no clue about how to take pictures use a cheap camera and expect perfection.
The fact that people are complaining about this show how many clueless people are allow to buy things which they do not know how to use.
If you do not what this kind of problem go buy a $1000 SLA with some good lens and 3 ccd and take a photo class or two any maybe the purple haze can be a photo shop exercise.

 

Unfortunately or not, this also happens to people who know how to take pictures, use expensive camera and expect perfection.

 

Certainly a better understanding of the physics behind the issue would be appropriate. And equally sound, would be to destroy, remove and/or keep to oneself those photos one takes and finds objectionable.

 

As the attached article states,  "It [flare] can lower the overall contrast of a photograph significantly and is often an undesired artifact, however some types of flare may actually enhance the artistic meaning of a photo. Understanding lens flare can help you use it — or avoid it — in a way which best suits how you wish to portray the final image." 

 
Hav'n taken literally thousands of photos on my Canon F1, most of my 'flared' prints were accidental. However, many of those were quite salvageable with a simple crop. In fact, these so-called mistakes were often declared by my audiences as being quite artistic to which I admit was highly unwarranted, but neither denied by oneself.
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I don't have a problem with CR rating toaster ovens.

But when it comes to smartphones, some are just not Android enough for them.

 

Actually that is a good point, because after using a Samsung SIII recently I ain't worried too much about my AAPL stock. The thing, in practice, was slower than my friggin' iPhone 4. And what makes this even more comical is the reason I am getting a 5 is because the iPhone 4 was too slow for me. I'm really impatient when it comes to devices I use every day.

 

What I am saying is, if they list as a negative on any phone the fact that it doesn't have a micro SD slot, as you see on a lot of pro-Android sites when they review devices such as the iPhone I would easily discount everything they say for this reason alone. Meaning, from here on out I'd form an immediate conclusion they do not have a clue what it a good technology device make. Yoda, or something.


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This is weird. CR is behaving strange lately.

 

So true. They failed to blame lens flare on iOS. They said it had something to do with "scattered reflections inside of lenses"? WTF? No, it's clearly iOS' fault. Even the lens flare on the Galaxy S3, Razr Maxx, and expensive SLR cameras is iOS' fault. 

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Actually that is a good point, because after using a Samsung SIII recently I ain't worried too much about my AAPL stock. The thing, in practice, was slower than my friggin' iPhone 4. And what makes this even more comical is the reason I am getting a 5 is because the iPhone 4 was too slow for me. I'm really impatient when it comes to devices I use every day.

 

Well Android lets you customize the color of your lens flare, unlike Apple who locks users into a single shade of purple. I don't want Apple deciding for me which wavelength of light will reflect off the internal lens elements inside the camera. I want choices, dammit.

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Well Android lets you customize the color of your lens flare, unlike Apple who locks users into a single shade of purple. I don't want Apple deciding for me which wavelength of light will reflect off the internal lens elements inside the camera. I want choices, dammit.

 

That would have been much funnier without the final sentence. Leave the reader get the joke themselves. This is what I'm learning from writing a script.

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All this sound and fury leads to the following burning question: What is the correct color of a lens flare?

 

Is it the visual equivalent of one hand clapping or the tree falling in an empty forest?

 

Remember, we do not look at things so much as we overlook them, and the reverse side also has a reverse side.
 

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All this sound and fury leads to the following burning question: What is the correct color of a lens flare?

 

Is it the visual equivalent of one hand clapping or the tree falling in an empty forest?

 

Remember, we do not look at things so much as we overlook them, and the reverse side also has a reverse side.
 

To be or not to be.  That is the question?

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Hey. Cheeky. Even if you think I am wrong there's no need to turn into a jerk like John Gruber.

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So what part of that don't you understand?

Hmm....

 

Sauce. Goose. Gander. Etc.

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That would have been much funnier without the final sentence. Leave the reader get the joke themselves. This is what I'm learning from writing a script.

 

Really? I thought that was the punchline. Well, that's what I'm not learning from not writing a script.

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First CR said that Maps turn-by-turn tests out just as good as Google (which of course was never error-free) and now this.

 

Someone’s going to get fired at CR.

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