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Frankly the rest of the world isn't important. The economy in Europe is Ina terrible state, the Middle East is about to start WW3, the rest of the Americas south of the US have neve gotten their act together, considering all of this you should understand why Apple is focused on the US and Asia.

I can understand Apple focusing on the US market; I can NOT understand quality surveys focusing on the US market. Why do you people insist on missing the point?
post #42 of 83
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Well, if the music app wasn't working properly on my iPhone I wouldn't notice it either, since I rarely use it to listen to music. I would even go as far as to state that many people barely use their iPhones for anything other than they'd otherwise use dumb phones, especially in the US, where the iPhone is heavily subsidized. Ask the same question to people buying an unlocked version from Aple and I bet your findings will be a lot different.
For instance, I told a friend of mine who was complaining about the iPhone 4S' battery problems to disable Location Services (because the problem was caused by a defective GPS unit) temporarily and ask for a replacement, and she was all happy about the former solving her problem because she didn't care about the latter, so a year later she's still using a defective iPhone 4S. Might be anecdotal, but doesn't go far from most people's mentality.

I use the iPod app in my iPhone every day, as well as e-mail, contacts, so much more. I was listening to the baseball game on "WunderRadio" yesterday. Reading up on the Veep debate on the USA today app, were I tweeted in the twitter link the the app the story about the giant eyeball washing up on shore. Used "Twitterrific" to view my tweet feeds. Used Siri to make reminders, get the weather outlook for the week, updated a schedule on my Calendar, punched in and out of work on "Hours Tracker", and monitored all the play-off games on "Sportacular". That was just yesterday. I do the same things like that every day on my iPhone. Oh yeah, I made some phone call as well. 1wink.gif

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I use the iPod app in my iPhone every day, as well as e-mail, contacts, so much more. I was listening to the baseball game on "WunderRadio" yesterday. Reading up on the Veep debate on the USA today app, were I tweeted in the twitter link the the app the story about the giant eyeball washing up on shore. Used "Twitterrific" to view my tweet feeds. Used Siri to make reminders, get the weather outlook for the week, updated a schedule on my Calendar, punched in and out of work on "Hours Tracker", and monitored all the play-off games on "Sportacular". That was just yesterday. I do the same things like that every day on my iPhone. Oh yeah, I made some phone call as well. 1wink.gif

Point? I use my iPhone to make calls, send text messages, use the GPS, and sometimes test apps in development. My anecdotal evidence contradicts yours, and I'm a geek.
post #44 of 83

But, but, but . . . Apple Maps suuuucccks . . . and, and, and, nobody's supposed to buy the iPhone or upgrade iOS because, because, because . . . Apple Maps suuuccks!

 

. . . and, and, and, nobody's going to want to spend money for a new cable or adapter, and, and, and,  MOMMMMYYY!!!!

post #45 of 83
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The dates aren't when the surveys were taken, the dates are when the "issues" blew up.

 

I've found that most of the issues we read online, aren't issues at all to most everyone else. I've also noticed issues with Apple products are usually brought up by those who do not own the device. Possibly in some weird attempt to justify their decision to not buy Apple and keep them from "ruling the world." Yes, I've actually had people say that to me. LOL


I agree that most "issues" are not even known to public and grown out of proportion or simply made up by stupid people.

But I still think that someone that doesn't know anything about the new maps, and who has used at least once google maps to find something like a restaurant, will quickly notice that they are inadequate for the moment.

post #46 of 83
Arguably, the two most important considerations, though not reported by Apple Insider, is that:

"Perhaps most importantly, when we asked consumers who said they are Unlikely to buy the iPhone 5 to tell us the reason why, 0% cited the Lightning adapter." (1)

"When we asked consumers who said they were unlikely to buy the iPhone 5 to tell us the reason why, 61% said they were unlikely to buy it because there was No Need – Their Current Cell Phone is Sufficient. In contrast, 0% said it was because of Reported Problems With Apple Maps." (1)


Furthermore, as compared to Antennagate, Mapgate is much less an issue which is an interesting note since even during Antennagate with "2.1% projected to have a non- accident malfunction in the first 12 months." (2)

" In that 2010 ChangeWave survey, 7% of new iPhone 4 owners had reported the antenna/ reception issue was a Very Big Problem and 14% Somewhat of a Problem. Another two-thirds (64%) reported they Hadn't Experienced any Problem..." (1)

"To gauge the impact of the Apple Maps issue, we asked iPhone 5 and other iOS 6 users if they had experienced a problem with Apple Maps." (1)

"Nine-in-ten users (90%) reported it was No Problem at All or they Haven’t Experienced Any Problem, while 3% characterized it as a Very Big Problem and 6% said it was Somewhat of a Problem." (1)

"...In comparison to the iPhone 4 Antenna/Reception issue, the current Apple Maps issue is of marginal concern to iPhone 5/iOS 6 users. Simply put, Apple Maps is not considered a problem by the overwhelming majority of users..." (1)


1. No author given. Published 12 October 2012. Apple Maps Issue Irrelevant as Massive iPhone 5 Buying Continues; Samsung By Far Best Positioned to Gain from Windows Phone 8. 451 Research/ChangeWave Research. Retrieved 12 October 2012.

2. Austin Sands and Vince Tseng. Published 3 November 2010. Smart Phone reliability: Apple iPhones with fewest failures, and major Android manufacturers not far behind. Square Trade. Retrieved 12 October 2012.



The truth is that most manufacturers make cheap, disposable "smartphones" and have massive marketing campaigns to sell their products. This includes paying armies of bloggers and posters to aggressively attack Apple proponents. No one who reviews the facts objectively can conclude otherwise.

Apple iPhone is simply:

the best designed,
the most desirable,
the most satisfying,
the most reliable, and
the most secure smartphone
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post #47 of 83
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Point? I use my iPhone to make calls, send text messages, use the GPS, and sometimes test apps in development. My anecdotal evidence contradicts yours, and I'm a geek.

My point is I use iPhone for 50 different apps, e-mail, the phone, the calendar, maps, notes, the calculator, the clock, the weather, Siri, reminders, iBooks, the GPS, safari, music, the camera, photos,and videos.  Which does contract your evidence.  

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My point is I use iPhone for 50 different apps, e-mail, the phone, the calendar, maps, notes, the calculator, the clock, the weather, Siri, reminders, iBooks, the GPS, safari, music, the camera, photos,and videos.  Which does contract your evidence.

At most it would contradict my claim, because my evidence was anecdotal (and so is yours). Besides, by posting that, you are actually validating the point that people buy iPhones for a lot of different reasons, so one sucky feature in there that they don't particularly care about is only evidence that people don't care about that feature, not that the feature doesn't have issues, which is what this thread aims to claim. Apple Maps not affecting sales is not related to Apple Maps not having problems but rather to people not caring about the GPS on their phone at all. If you asked me whether the Music app has caused me problems, I'd tell you it hasn't, but my answer would stem from the fact that I never use it, not from the quality of the app.
post #49 of 83

Obviously. Once again, anti-Apple sensationalist bullshit hysteria on the internet shows that it has no relation to reality. The connector is a massive improvement, and for MOST people, maps works fine. If not, there's alternatives until it improves. The phone is superior to what came before it in every single way. The hand-wringing about the connector is just click-whoring, desperate to find something to bitch about. Yeah, old accessories might not work. Deal with it. Shit changes and improves. We move on. If it was up to these people we'd still have every ancient port ever made history gracing our devices. 

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Obviously. Once again, anti-Apple sensationalist bullshit hysteria on the internet shows that it has no relation to reality. The connector is a massive improvement, and for MOST people, maps works fine. If not, there's alternatives until it improves. The phone is superior to what came before it in every single way. The hand-wringing about the connector is just click-whoring, desperate to find something to bitch about. Yeah, old accessories might not work. Deal with it. Shit changes and improves. We move on. If it was up to these people we'd still have every ancient port ever made history gracing our devices. 

How's the connector a "massive" improvement when it has less functionality?
post #51 of 83

it just shows that most buyer are just sheep, beginning lead around.

 

You have a whole herd saying the sky is falling since this is or that is horrible wrong with the phone and really have no clue or do not understand it does not really matter but they are repeating what others are saying. Then they have the other herd of sheep who have no clue there are any issue and will buy because that is what the person in front of them is doing.

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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
How's the connector a "massive" improvement when it has less functionality?

 

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post #53 of 83
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How's the connector a "massive" improvement when it has less functionality?


Your fault for allowing people to spread nonsense here and contributing to it yourself.
post #54 of 83
Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
Your fault for allowing people to spread nonsense…

 

Yes, Apple releasing a new connector that will, despite all whining, supersede the previous connector is "my fault".

 

I'm not getting into it a second time. Feel free to lie to a new group of people.

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post #55 of 83
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Your fault for allowing people to spread nonsense…

Yes, Apple releasing a new connector that will, despite all whining, supersede the previous connector is "my fault".

I'm not getting into it a second time. Feel free to lie to a new group of people.

Cat's out of the cage now, the link to the previous thread has been posted.
post #56 of 83
Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
Cat's out of the cage now, the link to the previous thread has been posted.

 

What is your problem? There's nothing in that post that helps your case in any respect. 


Give a past example of a port that designed to supplant another but was then discontinued in favor of the old one because of "reduced functionality", even if there was reduced functionality. Or even an example of people wanting an old port after its obsolescence that didn't just keep using that port until it was too stupid or impractical to keep using it. 

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post #57 of 83
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How is it superior in "every single way" if it knicks, chips and dents so much more easily than its predecessor ? It can't even be manufactured properly on schedule due its aluminum encasing problems.

 

It's a non-issue. All iPhones have probably been the most scratch-prone devices in the industry. The important thing is to ship it to the customer in perfect condition. Once that last bit is seen to, you'll see the same consumer satisfaction ratings for the iPhone 5 that you saw for all other iPhones that have ever existed. 

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The new dock is a huge improvement, allowing for faster data transfer speeds. Those wishing to cling to the old technology are mistaken.
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The new dock is a huge improvement, allowing for faster data transfer speeds. Those wishing to cling to the old technology are mistaken.

That has nothing to do with the connector, the Dock Connector is perfectly capable of offering the same speeds, potentially even more (since it has more conductors made of the same material: copper).
post #60 of 83
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What is your problem? There's nothing in that post that helps your case in any respect. 

You claimed that I'm lying, yet that thread proves you're the one posting bullshit that you have absolutely no idea about.

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Give a past example of a port that designed to supplant another but was then discontinued in favor of the old one because of "reduced functionality", even if there was reduced functionality. Or even an example of people wanting an old port after its obsolescence that didn't just keep using that port until it was too stupid or impractical to keep using it.

I'd say the DB-9 used mostly for RS-232 has vastly outlived its expectations. Plenty of serial busses have come and gone while the RS-232 lives on. Not that this matters to the subject anyway, as I fail to see the relevance in this question, I only replied to it to demonstrate your ignorance.

You were humiliated in the previous thread and will be over and over again until you either make a mistake that will result in the revocation of your moderator privileges or stop posting out of shame.
post #61 of 83
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wait, the media made a mountain out of a mole hill? Tell me it ain't so.

It's obvious that 90% of all those surveyed are fanbois. iOS 6 Maps is the biggest problem since the cold war. /s

 



Really?? Your telling me a GPS application that some customers find to be less usable than what was available in the past is the disaster that the potential nuclear holocaust between two nations once was.

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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
I'd say the DB-9 used mostly for RS-232 has vastly outlived its expectations. Plenty of serial busses have come and gone while the RS-232 lives on. Not that this matters to the subject anyway, as I fail to see the relevance in this question, I only replied to it to demonstrate your ignorance.

 

You don't see how referencing the RS-232, a port which has fallen far by the wayside and replaced many times over by more modern ports that "reduce functionality" has nothing to do with Dock Connector, which has now fallen by the wayside and has been replaced by a more modern port that "reduces functionality" matters to the subject at hand, that matter being the replacement of a port with a more modern port that "reduces functionality"? 

 

Ignorance, huh.


You were humiliated in the previous thread and will be over and over again until you either make a mistake that will result in the revocation of your moderator privileges or stop posting out of shame.

 

You'll be banned long before that. Don't worry.

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You don't see how referencing the RS-232, a port which has fallen far by the wayside and replaced many times over by more modern ports that "reduce functionality" has nothing to do with Dock Connector, which has now fallen by the wayside and has been replaced by a more modern port that "reduces functionality" matters to the subject at hand, that matter being the replacement of a port with a more modern port that "reduces functionality"? 

Ignorance, huh.

It's not been replaced, it's still part of many IEEE standards. Just because you don't see it nowadays doesn't mean it's not used anymore. Every cellular USB dongle uses RS-232 internally, it's just converted to USB because most PC manufacturers have dropped RS-232 ports. Industrial and network appliances still rely heavily on RS-232 due to its simplicity, even the Lightning Connector is still supporting RS-232. The DB-9 port may not be as widely used today as it was before, but we're talking about a 30 year old port. You're showing ignorance, yes.

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You'll be banned long before that. Don't worry.

You ban me for a stupid reason, I re-register, and all my posting privileges will be returned. Meanwhile I keep adding evidence against you, and once you lose your moderator privileges, they aren't coming back. If you really want to play this game, I dare you to bring it on!
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You ban me for a stupid reason, I re-register, and all my posting privileges will be returned.

 

And you'd be banned again immediately for reregistering. We don't pussyfoot around. You won't be banned for a stupid reason, I assure you.

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You ban me for a stupid reason, I re-register, and all my posting privileges will be returned.

And you'd be banned again immediately for reregistering. We don't pussyfoot around. You won't be banned for a stupid reason, I assure you.

Good luck figuring out who I am through Tor. 1wink.gif

If this is a demonstration of anything, it is of how unfit to be a moderator you really are. Instead of trying to mediate an explosive situation, you're fueling it. Watch out, that behavior will eventually come back to bite you!
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Good luck figuring out who I am through Tor. 1wink.gif

 

Since you have a vendetta against me to the extent of threatening my position, if you intend to actually see that through, it won't be difficult.

 

Also we know what IPs are proxies and ban on that alone.

 

Further threats of this nature will likely warrant retaliation, so let's get back on topic. We have no remorse for the psychopaths that keep creating accounts after being banned.

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Just because you don't see it nowadays doesn't mean it's not used anymore. Every cellular USB dongle uses RS-232 internally, it's just converted to USB because most PC manufacturers have dropped RS-232 ports. Industrial and network appliances still rely heavily on RS-232 due to its simplicity, even the Lightning Connector is still supporting RS-232. The DB-9 port may not be as widely used today as it was before, but we're talking about a 30 year old port.
LOL, how can such a reduced functionality connector like lightning ever provide such versatility as RS-232? Oh wait, you just told me, it is converted to USB. But how can that be!? USB doesn't have as many pins as DB-9, oh dear how will Lightening ever compete in such a world?

Still waiting for Apple to bring back the much more versatile 250 pin Duo dock connector, and drop all those other pointless ports like Thunderbolt, USB, FireWire and Ethernet.
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Don't post it again. Pretty simple to get, given that it keeps being deleted.

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It's not been replaced, it's still part of many IEEE standards. Just because you don't see it nowadays doesn't mean it's not used anymore. Every cellular USB dongle uses RS-232 internally, it's just converted to USB because most PC manufacturers have dropped RS-232 ports. Industrial and network appliances still rely heavily on RS-232 due to its simplicity, even the Lightning Connector is still supporting RS-232. The DB-9 port may not be as widely used today as it was before, but we're talking about a 30 year old port. You're showing ignorance, yes.
You ban me for a stupid reason, I re-register, and all my posting privileges will be returned. Meanwhile I keep adding evidence against you, and once you lose your moderator privileges, they aren't coming back. If you really want to play this game, I dare you to bring it on!


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My only disappointment is the lack of availability of lighting to USB cables and the 30pin to Lightning adapters until a week or so into Oct.

Agree. I ordered mine on iPhone Day +2, and am still waiting....

 

I ordered mine 3:00 AM PST on day one... got it yesterday.   I think they are warehousing them at Ontario Airport, Ontario, CA.

 

It came in a shipping  box twice as big as the iP5 shipping box... inside the unit was in a box 3"x3"x3/4".

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It came in a shipping  box twice as big as the iP5 shipping box... inside the unit was in a box 3"x3"x3/4".

 

Ah, UnnecessaryPackagingSizegate, which will end with Apple SLAMMED by Greenwarpeace who will suddenly ignore that Amazon has been guilty of far worse for far longer.

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Negative headlines haven't suppressed consumer interest in the iPhone 5...

As usual, with every release.

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The map issues are way overblown.

Not if your walking. Or biking.

 

Post specific examples of images and directions of the biking and walking routes provided by the maps app you use now!

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Just because you don't see it nowadays doesn't mean it's not used anymore. Every cellular USB dongle uses RS-232 internally, it's just converted to USB because most PC manufacturers have dropped RS-232 ports. Industrial and network appliances still rely heavily on RS-232 due to its simplicity, even the Lightning Connector is still supporting RS-232. The DB-9 port may not be as widely used today as it was before, but we're talking about a 30 year old port.
LOL, how can such a reduced functionality connector like lightning ever provide such versatility as RS-232? Oh wait, you just told me, it is converted to USB. But how can that be!? USB doesn't have as many pins as DB-9, oh dear how will Lightening ever compete in such a world?

Still waiting for Apple to bring back the much more versatile 250 pin Duo dock connector, and drop all those other pointless ports like Thunderbolt, USB, FireWire and Ethernet.

 

Why go for RS-232, when you can have SCSI...

 

 

These little beauties weigh less than 10 lbs, come with a terminator, shoulder carrying bag and an AC adapter for your car -- the complete kit is under $80.

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Why go for RS-232, when you can have SCSI...

 

 

These little beauties weigh less than 10 lbs, come with a terminator, shoulder carrying bag and an AC adapter for your car -- the complete kit is under $80.

 

On the plus side, when you lock the connectors in with the wires, they don't come loose when you accidentally tug on them.  Which I have done with both USB and FW with less than pleasing results...

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the iOS web share has a lot of iPads in there.

There are more iPads than Android devices? Good to know.

1rolleyes.gif How about just admitting iPhone users do far more than "just make phone calls"? Your analysis directly contradicts every piece of data out there...
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it just shows that most buyer are just sheep, beginning lead around.

If you seriously think that Apple can sell 10's of millions of devices due to "sheep" behavior your dumber than the average sheep.
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Really?? Your telling me a GPS application that some customers find to be less usable than what was available in the past is the disaster that the potential nuclear holocaust between two nations once was.

I believe you missed the /s sarcasm tag.

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Well, if the music app wasn't working properly on my iPhone I wouldn't notice it either, since I rarely use it to listen to music. I would even go as far as to state that many people barely use their iPhones for anything other than they'd otherwise use dumb phones, especially in the US, where the iPhone is heavily subsidized. Ask the same question to people buying an unlocked version from Aple and I bet your findings will be a lot different.
For instance, I told a friend of mine who was complaining about the iPhone 4S' battery problems to disable Location Services (because the problem was caused by a defective GPS unit) temporarily and ask for a replacement, and she was all happy about the former solving her problem because she didn't care about the latter, so a year later she's still using a defective iPhone 4S. Might be anecdotal, but doesn't go far from most people's mentality.

Your right, if you consider web browsing, maps, messaging, whatsapp, calendar, music, navigating, games, news reading and lots and lots of other apps as things you do on dump phones.

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The dock connector reminds me of the transition from OS9 to OSX. Lots of gnashing of teeth. Lots of FUD. But in the end everyone got a much more robust, secure, and versatile OS. I'm pretty sure this will end up the same way. 

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