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Was I supposed to laugh??

At what?

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These do look really cool.  

If it made any kind of sense to even wear one of these "watch" things anymore, this is the one I'd get.  

Sadly, watches are about as relevant as moustache wax and spats at this point.  

 

I imagine they'll be around for a long time yet...I don't have to charge mine every day like my phone, and I don't need to take it out of my pocket and stare at it and then put it back if I want to know the time, which might be considered rude dependant on your company etc.  A watch is so much more subtle and stylish than a hunk of electronic gadgetry, no matter how cool the gadgetry is.  No-one will be using an iPhone 5 in 5 years time, much less the nearly 70 years that this design has been around.  Some things genuinely are timeless (excuse the pun), phone design is not (perhaps not yet).

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ba-dum-bah!!... and a dead clock is right twice a day...

Which is a better record than some of our more infamous trolls here .... yes DaHarder, I'm looking at you .... lol.gif

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Try this:

 

Spit up into the air while you are lying down flat on the floor. Where does that spit end up? In your face.

 

This is what Apple is doing.

 

They sue Samsung for "slavishly copying" their patent or trademark, yet THEY (Apple) themselves are doing the very thing.

 

Therefore, this raises HUGE credibility issues for Apple not to mention whether their TRUE intent in pursuing with the lawsuit was mearly to "protect IP", instead of killing competition.
 

I'd have to say the latter.

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I love that watch... Anybody have a link to buy?

 

You can find them on Amazon too, but most reviews are disappointed that it's a Chinese made watch with German movement, using a Swiss-designed face. A reasonably priced and attractive watch, but its movement is "tick-tick-tick" instead of the sweeping second hand that pauses at the 12 position.

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Was I supposed to laugh??

Not unless you have a sense of humour.

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Try this:

 

Spit up into the air while you are lying down flat on the floor. Where does that spit end up? In your face.

 

This is what Apple is doing.

 

They sue Samsung for "slavishly copying" their patent or trademark, yet THEY (Apple) themselves are doing the very thing.

 

Therefore, this raises HUGE credibility issues for Apple not to mention whether their TRUE intent in pursuing with the lawsuit was mearly to "protect IP", instead of killing competition.
 

I'd have to say the latter.

 

Try this:

 

Count the days, the lawsuits, the counter lawsuits, the products and the fighting and the failure to reach an agreement despite being clearly wrong.

 

Then note that this has been settled in something like 3 weeks, no lawsuits, no countersuing, just a straight hands up and paid agreement.  Done, dusted.

 

Comparable?

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I don't see that design in the ios 6 clock app.l

I know, it's only on the iPad version of iOS.

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This is what Apple is doing.

 


Nah, that's more what the apple FANBOYS are doing.  The ones who (even now) scream that black is white, up is down and these two designs are completely different and oh yeah SBB sucks!

 

The apple FANS, on the other hand, took one look at this and said, "yeah, Apple shouldn't have done this and they make this right."  And Apple did.  A little bit of a bad behavior for the original person who swiped the design, but the people higher up did the right thing.

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I second that.

And not a second too soon!
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WATCH OUT COMPETITION!!! Apple got this CLOCK hands down!
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Try this:

 

Spit up into the air while you are lying down flat on the floor. Where does that spit end up? In your face.

 

This is what Apple is doing.

 

They sue Samsung for "slavishly copying" their patent or trademark, yet THEY (Apple) themselves are doing the very thing.

 

Therefore, this raises HUGE credibility issues for Apple not to mention whether their TRUE intent in pursuing with the lawsuit was mearly to "protect IP", instead of killing competition.
 

I'd have to say the latter.

What are you talking about? If Apple was a clock manufacturer, and went to court claiming the design was not a copy, but was inspired by the weather, or some such... and there were lots of side by side design comparisons found in Jony Ive's desk with meeting minutes describing discussion of the Swiss Rail Clock... you might have a point. I think you are HUGELY out to lunch, here.

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And not a second too soon!

I'd say you are too late.

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I imagine they'll be around for a long time yet...I don't have to charge mine every day like my phone, and I don't need to take it out of my pocket and stare at it and then put it back if I want to know the time, which might be considered rude dependant on your company etc.  A watch is so much more subtle and stylish than a hunk of electronic gadgetry, no matter how cool the gadgetry is.  No-one will be using an iPhone 5 in 5 years time, much less the nearly 70 years that this design has been around.  Some things genuinely are timeless (excuse the pun), phone design is not (perhaps not yet).

 

This is basically a really subjective argument but personally, I disagree.  I don't think you have any objective support for your statement that a watch is more subtle or stylish or that the design is timeless or irreplaceable or any of those things.  

 

I work around a lot of young people and if there is an old analogue clock on the wall they will look at it, but increasingly, many don't know how to tell time on those things anymore anyway and prefer digital.  If you ask kids what time it is and they are sitting in front of a computer they will look at the computer for the time, if they have a cell, they will usually pull that out.  Some still have watches, but it's not like in the 60's where every single person had a wristwatch anymore at all.  

 

They are increasingly, just fashion statements.  Most twenty-something kids with a watch are young guys with the giant fake Rolex-y looking thing and it's more to do with rap music than it is to do with telling the time.  

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This is basically a really subjective argument but personally, I disagree.  I don't think you have any objective support for your statement that a watch is more subtle or stylish or that the design is timeless or irreplaceable or any of those things.  

 

I work around a lot of young people and if there is an old analogue clock on the wall they will look at it, but increasingly, many don't know how to tell time on those things anymore anyway and prefer digital.  If you ask kids what time it is and they are sitting in front of a computer they will look at the computer for the time, if they have a cell, they will usually pull that out.  Some still have watches, but it's not like in the 60's where every single person had a wristwatch anymore at all.  

 

They are increasingly, just fashion statements.  Most twenty-something kids with a watch are young guys with the giant fake Rolex-y looking thing and it's more to do with rap music than it is to do with telling the time.  

I haven't worn one for at least 15 years. I have a few and love watches, specially the mechanical auto wind ones, but they are antiques to me. If I don't have a cell phone of some kind, or a computer near by, or the radio on, or television, I probably don't need to know what time it is.

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I love that watch... Anybody have a link to buy?

Looks a lot like the American railroad watch my dad has. Its a Buliva with this cool tuning fork based movement, except the second hand doesn't have the ball on the end.

I bet it was less about money and more about having Apple acknowledge their original design. I am glad it was settled amicably.
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post #57 of 82
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This is basically a really subjective argument but personally, I disagree.  I don't think you have any objective support for your statement that a watch is more subtle or stylish or that the design is timeless or irreplaceable or any of those things.  

I work around a lot of young people and if there is an old analogue clock on the wall they will look at it, but increasingly, many don't know how to tell time on those things anymore anyway and prefer digital.  If you ask kids what time it is and they are sitting in front of a computer they will look at the computer for the time, if they have a cell, they will usually pull that out.  Some still have watches, but it's not like in the 60's where every single person had a wristwatch anymore at all.  

They are increasingly, just fashion statements.  Most twenty-something kids with a watch are young guys with the giant fake Rolex-y looking thing and it's more to do with rap music than it is to do with telling the time.  

Funny you bring this up. I brought the kids to visit my parents and my mother bought the boys these really cool snoopy analogue watches precisely because she was worried that they might growing up without being able to instinctively read an analogue clock.
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post #58 of 82

Time to wind up this thread.

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Try this:

 

Spit up into the air while you are lying down flat on the floor. Where does that spit end up? In your face.

 

This is what Apple is doing.

 

They sue Samsung for "slavishly copying" their patent or trademark, yet THEY (Apple) themselves are doing the very thing.

 

Therefore, this raises HUGE credibility issues for Apple not to mention whether their TRUE intent in pursuing with the lawsuit was mearly to "protect IP", instead of killing competition.
 

I'd have to say the latter.

What are you talking about? If Apple was a clock manufacturer, and went to court claiming the design was not a copy, but was inspired by the weather, or some such... and there were lots of side by side design comparisons found in Jony Ive's desk with meeting minutes describing discussion of the Swiss Rail Clock... you might have a point. I think you are HUGELY out to lunch, here.


Apple stole another design and got caught. Is this the first time? I bet you there is a certain Cydia developer that would agree that the answer to that question is a resounding 'No'! Apple copied his app AND his logo.
Or how about let's get the emails and minutes of meetings where Apple decided to "slavishly" copy Google's patent-pending notification center? Or how about GMails "Priority" inbox aka Apple's "VIP" inbox in iOS6? Apple steals, but it is okay. If others do it, they are vilified.
The point that was made is valid, and like most Apple apologists, you defend the company for doing things that you spite other companies for. Apple stole a design "purposely“, as they have done in the past, and tried to get away with it. They got caught. They have admitted so by being forced to pay money's for licensing. Not sure how anyone could argue this any other way?
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

 

This is basically a really subjective argument but personally, I disagree.  I don't think you have any objective support for your statement that a watch is more subtle or stylish or that the design is timeless or irreplaceable or any of those things.  

 

I work around a lot of young people and if there is an old analogue clock on the wall they will look at it, but increasingly, many don't know how to tell time on those things anymore anyway and prefer digital.  If you ask kids what time it is and they are sitting in front of a computer they will look at the computer for the time, if they have a cell, they will usually pull that out.  Some still have watches, but it's not like in the 60's where every single person had a wristwatch anymore at all.  

 

They are increasingly, just fashion statements.  Most twenty-something kids with a watch are young guys with the giant fake Rolex-y looking thing and it's more to do with rap music than it is to do with telling the time.  

Subjective, yes, but I also think that a design that is being copied almost identically 70 years after it was first used, is proof enough that some things do stand the test of time.

 

Also, and I'm not trying to be argumentative here, if you come across someone who *cannot* read an analogue clock, then I say that is because they are dumb, or there has been a serious failing in their education.  I don't have a sundial, but I know how to read one.  I don't have a fountain pen, but I know how to use one.  Just because it is old, or is more commonly used with modern versions/replacements, doesn't mean we should be ignorant of what has gone before.

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Apple stole another design and got caught. Is this the first time? I bet you there is a certain Cydia developer that would agree that the answer to that question is a resounding 'No'! Apple copied his app AND his logo.
Or how about let's get the emails and minutes of meetings where Apple decided to "slavishly" copy Google's patent-pending notification center? Or how about GMails "Priority" inbox aka Apple's "VIP" inbox in iOS6? Apple steals, but it is okay. If others do it, they are vilified.
The point that was made is valid, and like most Apple apologists, you defend the company for doing things that you spite other companies for. Apple stole a design "purposely“, as they have done in the past, and tried to get away with it. They got caught. They have admitted so by being forced to pay money's for licensing. Not sure how anyone could argue this any other way?

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I love that watch... Anybody have a link to buy?

You can look at all of the Mondaine watches here --

http://www.mondaine.com/mondaine-watches/display_family/3

 

They start out around $140 and up.

 

Apple also appropriated another design in the 1990s.

 

 

Which uses elements of Alain Silberstein's watches.

 

 

If you like Mondaine watches (and have some money) also look into Nomos Glashütte watches


Edited by nonimus - 10/12/12 at 12:31pm
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...  Also, and I'm not trying to be argumentative here, if you come across someone who *cannot* read an analogue clock, then I say that is because they are dumb, or there has been a serious failing in their education.  ...

 

Generally, (because I am ancient myself), I agree with this sort of reasoning, but speaking as someone who has trouble reading analogue clocks themselves, I'm also a bit insulted.  

 

I *can* read an analogue clock, but I find it awkward and basically lost the habit after getting used to digital readouts in the early 70's.  I even have (one) analogue clock at home, but to read it you have to look at it, think about what numbers it's pointing to, then "say the words" in your head to yourself that it's "quarter to five" or "just after quarter to six" or whatever.  There's not much point in doing that when you can have a clock that just displays the time in numbers. 

 

With a digital clock you just have to read the dial.  The time is what it says, and what it says is the time. 

 

Just as practically no one uses ordinals like 28th or 3rd, or 2nd now, and just as the use of "12 noon" and "12 midnight" has followed "thee" and "thine" into history, analogue clocks will go the same way.  They aren't efficient, and yes, they require a bit of deciphering for the average young person today, especially the ones with no numbers or only one number etc.  One day soon they will be looked at the same way as sundials are now.  As a quaint, old-timey, way of telling the time that isn't very accurate but makes a nice decorative display.  

post #64 of 82

With the open and free Google mindset, we should decry the railroad's claim; do they think they own a patent on rounded clocks?

post #65 of 82

I think it's time to wind up this thread.

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I wish people would watch it with the puns.  I'm starting to get ticked off.
 

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I wish people would watch it with the puns.  I'm starting to get ticked off.
 

naaah

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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

Hyperbole much? These two look NOTHING alike?



well, it's not like one's a dead ringer of the other ...
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Originally Posted by binglyboop View Post
I wish people would watch it with the puns.  I'm starting to get ticked off.
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naaah

time to hand out an award - 

 

Please tell me that these are also puns. It's not nearly time for this thread to clock out.

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post #70 of 82
Why would someone pay money for that specific look? Sorry, I don't get it.
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I wish people would watch it with the puns. I'm starting to get ticked off.

 

Please tell me that these are also puns. It's not nearly time for this thread to clock out.

 



You missed one of mine.  ;)

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Hyperbole much? These two look NOTHING alike?



well, it's not like one's a dead ringer of the other ...

 

If you take the time to actually LOOK at the two faces, numerous differences in detail can be seen. Most people see at a basic, symbolic, level. For them, both faces have a white background, heavy ticks for hours and light ticks for minutes. Both hour hands are shorter than the minute hands and the seconds hands are thin and red with a round head on them. To a symbolic see-r both faces are therefore the same. BUT, in the Apple face, all the heavy black lines are the same width: hour ticks, hour and minute hands. When minute and hour hands overlap, you momentarily see only the minute hand. All three hands have the same length from center on their short ends. The diameter of the red dot at the center point of the second hand is the same dimension as the width of the hour and minute hands, which creates visually weak points on the hands at the center point. In the original face, the hour and minute hands are tapered, adding weight at the center, where it is expected based on subliminal knowledge of how natural objects are formed. The hour ticks are narrower than the minute hand, which is in turn narrower than the hour hand. If you squint and blur the images, the hour hand is the most prominent object in the composition due to its weight and contrast with the white background, the minute hand is next most prominent, followed closely by the hour tick marks. I would say the second hand is next, about equal with the second tick marks, but it could be argued that it's color makes it the only member of the second of two groups, namely; Group 1: Things that are black, and Group 2: Things that are red. Making it possible for people to visually process the black things and the red things simultaneously and easily choose which one to focus on. I would say the single most prominent similarity between the two faces is the red second hand.
 
When you actually pay attention to the shapes and overall composition, the two faces are only similar at first glance. Apple's attention to detail is legendary. I'm surprised that, given the fact that refined details on a virtual face do not involve extra costs that might constrain a physical clock face, they weren't done here.
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Originally Posted by binglyboop View Post
You missed one of mine.  ;)

 

SKOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH. That one hurt.

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Please tell me that these are also puns. It's not nearly time for this thread to clock out.

Can you all quit it with these lame second hand jokes? Geez. 

 

Anyway, my time's up. Gotta skidaddle. In fact I'm late.

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When you actually pay attention to the shapes and overall composition, the two faces are only similar at first glance.

 

 

This sounds like the arguments for why Samsung didn't copy Apple.  Why does Apple get a pass from you on this?  Apple sure doesn't give itself a pass, once it was brought to their attention.

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well, it's not like one's a dead ringer of the other ...

If you take the time to actually LOOK at the two faces, numerous differences in detail can be seen. Most people see at a basic, symbolic, level. For them, both faces have a white background, heavy ticks for hours and light ticks for minutes. Both hour hands are shorter than the minute hands and the seconds hands are thin and red with a round head on them. To a symbolic see-r both faces are therefore the same. BUT, in the Apple face, all the heavy black lines are the same width: hour ticks, hour and minute hands.

[a whole bunch of text removed]

sorry, my comment was in keeping with the other groaner puns here ... but thanks for the comparison notes.
post #77 of 82
You steal you pay the price. Apple got caught, so they have to pay.
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Yes, the clock was ticking.
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What are you talking about? If Apple was a clock manufacturer, and went to court claiming the design was not a copy, but was inspired by the weather, or some such... and there were lots of side by side design comparisons found in Jony Ive's desk with meeting minutes describing discussion of the Swiss Rail Clock... you might have a point. I think you are HUGELY out to lunch, here.

 

You are missing the point here. 

 

Apple copied and got caught doing it. By settling, they've basically agreed that they did indeed copy, which goes against the very thing that Apple is accusing Samsung of "slavishly copying" their design. 

 

Isnt that quite QUITE an ironic thing to say? 

 

It's like telling others not to be a bully when you yourself just stole the little kid's lunch money no less than 10 minutes ago. 
 

Therefore, Apple is basically hiding under the veil of "protection of their IP" mantra to stiffle competition at the throat. 

 

 

 

 

The California Appeals court just gave Judge Koh the ultimate slap in the face by saying that she "abused" her discretion and the court was "at best incorrect". 

 

"At best"...lol.

 

That means that the same appeals court will also look with a skeptical eye on the court case that was appealed by Samsung. It already leaves a bad taste on their pallate. Not good. lol 

 

Just watch as the main court case will either be retrialed or "at best" (appeals court's favorite expression) be thrown out. 

 

The entire objective of the lawsuit was to demonstrate to other companies of how serious Apple was about its so called "IP". However, its looking more and more like that its only helping their competitors win the spotlight through all these skirmishes at the same time getting all the negative flack for being the bully in it all. How ironic x2. 


Edited by Galbi - 10/13/12 at 7:44am

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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post
Apple copied and got caught doing it.
Your continued belief that what happened her is in any way similar to what Samsung did shows that you have no idea what you're talking about… and that you don't care.

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